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Fed Policy: It’s Not Fractional Reserve Banking, It’s ZERO Reserve Banking

The above image from Fed Policy Tools

“This action eliminated reserve requirements for all depository institutions.”

The Fed openly encouraged and sought both inflation and speculation. It got what it wanted and then some. 

Now the Fed has no idea how to fix the mess it created.

Fictional Reserve Banking

The number of people defending fictional reserve banking caught me by surprise. Here is a Tweet chain worth exploring.

Schools Need Fractional Reserve banking?!

If It’s Not Fraud, What Is It?

Car Lease Comparison

Blind Spots

Ben Hunt is normally a good read. I follow him as well. 

But for the life of me, I do not see how someone thinks money can or should be both available on demand and invested for years. 

This is different than having a gold-backed dollar and it does not preclude lending money into existence. 

Perhaps he sees things differently after reading this post. 

We all have blind spots. When I look at stuff I wrote years ago I sometimes find myself thinking: Did I really say that?

What Stops a Bank From Doing This?

https://twitter.com/ClarkGab_le/status/1637919717074808832

Good question. 

The answer is the Fed. It will not allow a safekeeping bank. If it did, there would be a run on every questionable bank to a bank that only invested in very short-term duration treasuries. 

But the solution is to mandate 100% reserves on deposits across the board. It could be phased in.

Interest on Reserves

The Fed used to pay interest on excess reserves (IOER). That series has been discontinued. 

Given there are no reserve requirements at all, the IOER series morphed into IORB.

Interest on Reserve Balances

Note that the Fed pays free interest on money it crammed down the throats of banks. The Fed also pays interest on Reverse Repos. 

How Much Free Money?

There are two factors in play. Quantitative Tightening (QT) acts to slowly decrease the free money while rising interest rates increases free money.

Explaining the SVB Failure

  • The Fed crammed deposits down the throats of banks via QE
  • The Zero Reserve requirement by the Fed encouraged banks to speculate.
  • Not happy with free money for nothing, banks invested deposits into long duration treasuries and mortgage backed securities.
  • Regulators at the banks and Fed did no duration risk analysis
  • As the fed hiked rates, total bank losses hit $620 billion.

Instead of making $253 billion in annualized free money, banks collectively managed to lose $620 billion. Way to go! 

Silicon Valley Deposits 

Silicon Valley Bank had about $200 billion in deposits before the bank run started. 

Just by parking money at the Fed, it could have collected $9.3 billion in interest (at the current rate). Instead, greed wiped the bank out. 

Not all of that free money would have been profit though. One has to factor in interest paid on deposits. 

Most of the big banks paid nothing on deposits, so small businesses and venture capitalists (who knew the risk), flocked to SVB. 

SVB was not happy with the free money spread. 

A Profitable Safekeeping Bank 

The above example shows that it would be easy to create a profitable safekeeping bank. Such a bank would pay a high enough rate to attract deposits but under the amount paid on deposits at the Fed or short term treasuries. 

If the Fed stopped paying interest on reserves and the short term treasury rate went close to zero, a bank would have to charge a nominal fee for safekeeping.

The Perfect Solution to the Banking Crisis Is to Make a Truly Safe Bank

I explained my proposal in The Perfect Solution to the Banking Crisis Is to Make a Truly Safe Bank

Unfortunately, the Fed not only sponsored the biggest asset bubble in history, it also failed to understand how free money, student debt cancellations, and zero percent interest rates might cause inflation.

If the Fed cannot see the obvious, why is there a Fed? The only answer I can come up with is Congress would be worse.

I prefer a 100% gold-backed dollar. As it stands we do not even have a 100% dollar-backed dollar! 

I can understand someone questioning parts of my proposal, specifically the idea of not lending money into existence. 

However, it’s important to understand deposits do not fund loans, rather deposits result from lending money into existence and QE.

One Simple Rule

One simple regulatory rule would have saved SVB, that being a 100% reserve requirement on deposits instead of a 0% reserve requirement on deposits. 

Money that is supposedly 100% payable on demand was in fact NOT payable on demand. It’s like leasing your car to two people simultaneously, banking on the notion one will not show up. 

The story is simple: SVB took long-term risk on money available on demand. Then depositors wanted their money back. Oops. Two people wanted the same money at the same time.

If I lease the same car or house to two people hoping that one would not show up, I would be arrested.

Amazingly, people defend this practice when banks do it. 

The Impact of Fraudulent Practices

A 100% reserve requirement would have stopped the run and thus bank failures due to greed. 

Moreover, given that money is lent into existence (rather than deposits funding loans), a mandatory requirement to park money at the Fed or in very short term treasuries would not have impeded bank lending at all!

Free money was just not enough for these banks.

And now, capital impairment due to greed and incompetent regulators will dampen lending. That’s the sorry irony of it all.

As I explained in The Perfect Solution to the Banking Crisis Is to Make a Truly Safe BankWe don’t need to up the FDIC limit, we need to eliminate the need for FDIC and create a safekeeping bank.

A 100% reserve requirement on deposits would do just that, and it would not at all hinder lending.

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GreenAcorn
GreenAcorn
3 years ago
I just remembered why the treasury owns only $11 billion. They have the gold on their books at either $35 per troy ounce or $42 per troy ounce. 8100 metric tons at $42 per troy ounce gives a value of $10.9 billion.
Raymondo
Raymondo
3 years ago
Isn’t the 100 percent reserve bank basically the same as a money market fund? They take your money and put it in liquid assets, and pay you the income with a slice off the top for them?
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Underneath all the shells in the shell game, there seems to be a fundamental problem with the gold standard. I think the common man understood it better 150 years ago than the gold standard-favoring “experts” understand it now: Not enough gold. It’s why, in L. Frank Baum’s The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, Dorothy wore silver slippers. The play was highly political: Yellow brick road (gold standard), Tin Man (heartless factory workers), Scarecrow (stupid farmers), Cowardly Lion (William Jennings Bryan, 1896 Dem presidential candidate), Wizard (William McKinley, handpicked by the robber barons, and who defeated Bryan), Munchkins (common people), Tornado (populists).
For thousands of years, the supply of gold has risen by about 1-1/2% a year. The economy has grown at 3% a year. Gold has always been money because everyone knows what it is; it’s hard to get and even harder to fake; there isn’t enough of it. Yet, a gold standard is deflationary and inhibits economic growth. It’s the creditor’s friend and the debtor’s enemy. This has ever been thus. Enter silver, whose use as money goes back at least to the Romans. Followed by the Fed’s Open Market Desk. Followed by Uncle Milton Friedman’s suggestion that the Fed grow money at 3%, and go have lunch somewhere.
Everyone was pretty much aware of these things until the Fed gradually abandoned gold as money. Even Hollywood turned Dorothy’s slippers red, ostensibly because they looked better in Technicolor. The political dimension of the highly popular and highly political play, couched as a children’s fable, went away, lost in the sands of time.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Aw nuts!
The slippers were ruby.
Everyone knows they are much more valuable than silver.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
How i the heck could Gold, even theoretically, “inhibit” “economic growth”?
A currency needs to be stable, predictable, non-favouring of some versus others, verifiable and reasonably easy to store and transact in.
Gold may have inflated at 1-1/2% a year. But that’s still an awful lot less than any other currency; at least pre-Bitcoin. For most, Gold is also easier to trust and verify than Bitcoin. It may not be as easy to store. The two are largely perfect complements wrt the storage and safekeeping scenarios they are strong at. And it may not be as easy to transact in as Bitcoin.
But compared to ANY Fiat, both theoretically and, by now, even empirically: Gold is so many orders of magnitude ahead it’s not even a comparison.
With Gold as currency, people creating value would keep their earnings. Hence their continued ability to create value. Rather than, as is now the case, have the value they created be stolen by debasement and handed to complete yahoos who never created a single lick of value at all. How the heck could that, even remotely possibly, “inhibit” of all things, “economic growth?”
GreenAcorn
GreenAcorn
3 years ago
The US has about $21 trillion in dollars in circulation (M3). One website I looked at said the treasury owns about $11 BILLION in gold. If you tried to go back to the gold standard, you’d have a run on converting dollars to gold and the US would own zero gold.
The only way to get back on the gold standard would be to re-issue dollars where one new dollar backed by gold would be worth x old dollars. I did the calculation a few years ago and the new dollar would take $47 old dollars to buy and that would barely cover the guarantee. To be safe, the new dollar would have to be issued requiring at least $100 worth of old dollars and to be even safer make it $200 or $500.
Back then, I found a site that put the US gold reserves at about 8100 metric tons which at todays price of $1,972 per oz. would make its value about $513 billion, so I don’t know how accurate the $11 billion is even though it was a report from the treasury. If the value of gold owned by the government is $11 billion, then you’d have to buy a new gold backed dollar for nearly $2,000 to barely cover the outstanding money. To be safe, you’d need to at least double that price.
Then, if banks are required to keep 100% reserves, the supply of gold would at best increase linearly while the interest would accumulate gold into the banks at exponential rates. Using the rule of 72, at 6% interest, in 12 years, the banks would own half again what they owned at the outset. Since the growth in gold would be just a tiny fraction of that, after only a few more doublings, there wouldn’t be any money for the rest of us; the banks would own it all or else the government would need to keep dipping into their reserves.
There is no going back to the $35 dollar gold guarantee abandoned in 1971. How would you propose we go back to a gold standard? I know it’s tempting to think we could stabilize the value of our money by tying it to a commodity, but unless the commodity expands at exactly the same rate as the demand for money, it cannot be stable.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  GreenAcorn
Whenever someone uses the dollar symbol and the word, I write them off as a yahoo.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
3 years ago
Reply to  GreenAcorn
“The US has about $21 trillion in dollars in circulation (M3). One website I looked at said the treasury owns about $11 BILLION in gold. If you tried to go back to the gold standard, you’d have a run on converting dollars to gold and the US would own zero gold.
The only way to get back on the gold standard would be to re-issue dollars where one new dollar backed by gold would be worth x old dollars.”
The most straight forward way, is to fess up to the fact that:
1) There is 20 dollars for every ounce of Gold held by the US.
2) hence, 999 out of every 1000 “dollars” currently in circulation, are counterfeit.
And 3) The saying goes: “Everybody is good at something.” That even includes The Fed. Their special talent is counterfeiting. Which they have done so well, that there is no way to tell real dollars from fake ones. Hence, the only reasonable way of reconciling, is to do so statistically:Everyone brings in all their current, mostly counterfeit, paper dollars. Then, once those are added up, the newly verified, and properly backed, dollars are divvied up accordingly.
Call_Me
Call_Me
3 years ago
It is a Fractional Preserve Banking system.
Some banks are worth saving, but only a fraction of them.
Call_Me_Al
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
3 years ago
Reply to  Call_Me
I suppose, technically, even 0/n can be construed to be a fraction…..
shamrock
shamrock
3 years ago
Taking on demand deposits and buying 10 year bonds or MBS is not the problem. The bank can liquidate the bonds in milliseconds and pay the depositors. The problem is LOSSES on those bonds. That problem doesn’t go away if you make a bank lend only deposits with a long term time frame. If the bank takes a 5 year CD deposit from Peter and loans it to Paul for 5 years and Paul doesn’t pay it back (losses) then it’s the same issue, all the Peter’s out there can’t get all their money back.
Dubronik
Dubronik
3 years ago
Are you going also tell me that the Elf on the shelf doesn’t exist either?
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reviews can backfire so don’t insist on them:
Bam_Man
Bam_Man
3 years ago
Many banks have gotten far too used to paying next-to-nothing for customer deposits for many, many years.
The combination of ZERO reserves and deposit rates that are now just a tiny fraction of the inflation rate proved to be a lethal combination for those banks with very large individual depositors.
Who could have known?
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
I propose a new aggregate series for the Federal Reserve.
IFBC
Interest From Being Connected
On another note:
“If I lease the same car or house to two people hoping that one would not show up, I would be arrested.”
Not true and that’s the problem.
You would not be arrested until someone noticed and complained.
Witness SVB, et al.
Jack
Jack
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
No arrests so far at SVB
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Jack
Don’t hold yer breath, or ya will die waitin’
WTFUSA
WTFUSA
3 years ago
Time to call a spade a spade and update the name to match the truth – The Federal Zero Reserve Bank. New motto is “We backstop everything financial with nothing”.
SAKMAN
SAKMAN
3 years ago
Reply to  WTFUSA
Wrong. Its back stopped by guns, as is every currency on the planet.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago

A
universal guarantee on all bank deposits, like during the GFC, will reduce the
supply of loan funds, will reduce the transaction’s velocity of funds, will
reduce the real rate of interest, and thus will lower R-gDp and raise the
Federal Deficit.
The FED’s Ph.Ds. don’t know a debit from a credit,
a bank from a nonbank.
Bam_Man
Bam_Man
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
Or, as they used to say “Can’t tell Shiite from Shinola”.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
They do know. They’re just making the big bucks by breaking the poor.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Lol. Have a few free minutes to waste and thought I would pop in to see what’s up.
I see nothing changes here. People arguing over things they have no control over. Oh well.
Good luck setting up that Bank Mish.
Business Man
Business Man
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
It’s called debate and discussion. Not everything is about pumping your “book” and soliciting and whinging for stock tips from an economics blog comment board.
Some of us already know how to do those things and don’t badger strangers on the internet for instructions on how to invest their retail portfolio.
Leave the adult talk for the rest of us if you find it so distasteful.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Business Man
By all means, keep wasting your time. Now, I’m off for a 5 mile run. Maybe I will check in again next week.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Good to see you PapaDave.
I’m please to see you took a break from counting your dollars.
Keep your balance and be well.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Thanks Lisa. Hope you started a daily walking program or some other type of exercise routine (as you had mentioned). See you later. Lots on my plate lately. Not much time for the comment section.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
God have mercy on my soul for getting sucked in. Oh well, at least I’m not a junkie.
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
I am sure you ve bought some more oil , your barn and even your frontyard must be full of barrels by now …..
Kick'n
Kick'n
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
When the middle class becomes poor, and poor become angry about it, the poor can loose civility very quickly. It’ll be fine until it isn’t. We laugh at other countries until we see what can happen at home. Free loaders on both ends of the spectrum, especially at the top, will become very unpopular…
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago

The time horizon of the
trading desk’s policy has been 24 hours rather than 24 months.

And we knew this already
Member Bank Reserve Requirements: Analysis of Committee Proposal, Box 107 (stlouisfed.org)

The problems stemmed from using
the wrong criteria (interest rates, rather than member bank legal reserves) in
formulating & executing monetary policy. Net changes in Reserve Bank credit
(since the Accord) were determined by the policy actions of the Federal
Reserve. But William McChesney Martin, Jr. changed from using a “net free” or
“net borrowed” reserve approach to the Federal Funds “Bracket Racket” c. 1965.
Note: the Continental Illinois bank bailout provides a spectacular example of
this practice.

The effect of tying open market
policy to a fed funds bracket was to supply additional (& excessive) legal
reserves to the banking system when loan demand increased. Since the member
banks had no excess reserves of significance, the banks had to acquire additional
reserves to support the expansion of deposits, resulting from their loan
expansion.

If they used the Fed Funds
bracket (which was typical), the rate was bid up & the Fed responded by
putting though buy orders, reserves were increased, & soon a multiple
volume of money was created on the basis of any given increase in legal
reserves.

This combined with the rapidly
increasing transaction velocity of demand deposits resulted in a further upward
pressure on prices. This is the process by which the Fed financed the rampant
real-estate speculation that characterized the 70’s, et. al.

Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Monetarism has never been tried. Paul Volcker didn’t stop
inflation by raising interest rates, he stopped inflation, the “time bomb”, the
release of savings in the 1st qtr. of 1981, by imposing reserve requirements on
NOW accounts in the 2nd qtr.
Monetarism involves controlling total reserves,
not non-borrowed reserves as Paul Volcker found out. Volcker targeted
non-borrowed reserves (@$18.174b 4/1/1980) when total reserves were (@$44.88b). I.e., Volcker let the economy burn itself out.

Monetary policy should delimit all required
reserves to balances in their District Reserve bank (IBDDs, like the ECB), and
have uniform reserve ratios, for all deposits, in all banks, irrespective of
size (something Nobel Laureate Dr. Milton Friedman advocated, December 16,
1959).

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
Perhaps, but Milton wasn’t a Nobel prize winner until 1976.
Milton advocated a gold standard at one time.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Milton was actually one dimensionally confused. He was only good at math.

From the Hoover Institution Archives in Stanford,
California: February 26, 1947:
In 1932, Milton Friedman “stopped Viner in his calculus and finally went to the
blackboard and worked the whole problem out, which Viner was unable to do”…
In Mints’ class “Price and Distribution” Friedman “discovered some of the
errors in Keynes’ fundamental equations.
Mints wrote Keynes on Milton Friedman’s behalf – & for the class. That
Keynes admitted the errors and this gave him, at least in part, the impetus to
write the General Theory.”…
”Keynes’ subsequent repudiation in the General Theory of those parts of the
Treatise on Money grew out of these criticisms.”
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago

Unfortunately, the only tool, credit control device, at the disposal of the
monetary authority in a free capitalistic system through which the volume of
money can be properly controlled is legal reserves. Powell eliminated legal
reserves in March 2020.

Daniel L. Thornton, May 12, 2022 agrees with me:

“However, on March 26, 2020, the Board of Governors reduced the reserve
requirement on checkable deposits to zero. This action ended the Fed’s ability
to control M1. In February 2021 the Board redefined M1 so that M1 and M2 are
very nearly identical. Consequently, it makes little sense to distinguish
between them. In any event, the checkable deposit portion of M2 cannot be
controlled now because there are no longer reserve requirements on these
deposits. Here is the reason the Fed cannot control these deposits.”

As I said: “The
FED will obviously, sometime in the future, lose control of the money stock.”

May
8, 2020. 10:38 AMLink

StukiMoi
StukiMoi
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
“Unfortunately, the only tool, credit control device, at the disposal of the monetary authority in a free capitalistic system through which the volume of money can be properly controlled is legal reserves.”
Nonense. In anything even aspirig to be a “free capitalistic” anything, there can be no “monetary authority” with “credit control devices.” Only in nonfree, totalitarian idiotopias, are people subject to “credit control devices.” Anywhere else, people are, tah-dah, free from such inventions, and impositions, of economically illiterate totalitarian states.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
I don’t believe there is anyone in the world that understands money and central banking. Otherwise, the banks would be prohibited from paying interest on their deposits. The demand deposits created have just been shifted into time deposits. And time deposits allow bigger banks to outbid smaller banks.
We are in dire straits. Powell thinks banks are intermediaries. He is a banker’s banker.
The elimination of Reg. Q ceilings was a conspiracy perpetrated by the American Bankers Association. I.e., the FED’s Ph.Ds. don’t know a credit from a debit.
Powell injected reserves to bailout 2 banks. But when Continental Illinois was bailed out, reserves were “washed out”. And Powells’ bailout was done in a highly inflationary environment.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta

Lawrence K. Roos, former
President, Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis and part-time member of the FOMC
(the Fed’s policy arm), was cited in the Wall Street Journal’s “Notable
and Quotable” column, April 10, 1985, as follows:

“…I do not believe
that the control of money growth ever became the primary priority of the Fed. I
think that there was always and still is a preoccupation with stabilization of
interest rates”.

JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
Have you ever thought of changing your moniker to Nostradamus II? Lay some more quatrains on us!
joresc
joresc
3 years ago
Money is created from nothing and then offered with interest. The money to pay for the interest does NOT EXIST in the economy. In order to pay back the interest, more money needs to be created, and that comes with its own interest attached. Mathematically speaking, I believe this describes a parabolic function. Not backed by anything, the money supply can only go in one direction….”To the moon Alice!!!”
Yooper
Yooper
3 years ago
Reply to  joresc
Exactly… an exponential ponzi scheme until it must fail
Perplexed Pete
Perplexed Pete
3 years ago
Reply to  joresc
Correct! And you left out two details that make this system completely evil:
1) Government FORCES US AT GUNPOINT to use dollars to pay for taxes, fines, fees, licenses, etc. But ONLY PRIVATE BANKS create new dollars, not Government. Since banks only create new dollars when people borrow, we are forced into involuntary servitude to private banks!
2) When you repay the principal to the bank, this money is “extinguished”, meaning it ceases to exist. So there is never enough money in the economy to repay the outstanding loans plus interest. And the more we try to pay off our debts, the smaller the money supply becomes.
Less than one in a thousand people understand the bank-created money scam. Please spread the word! Proofs at bank LIES d0t 0rg.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  Perplexed Pete
Less than one in a thousand can be bothered with improving their minds. Hence, this stupid clown world fraud of a banking system. Or any major aspect of our system. IDIOCRACY made more sense than the whole of the world’s “leadership”.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  joresc
‘Parabolic’ implies a point of inflection… Incoming missile, Alice!!!
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
3 years ago
Reply to  joresc
“In order to pay back the interest, more money needs to be created,”
The whole pint is, or more like was (by now there is no point…); that “interest” should be paid only if the projects that the money financed paid off. Otherwise, the lender was supposed to take a loss. Of course these day, the “system” is solely, 100%, nothing but a mechanism for transferring wealth competent people create, to illiterates on “Wall Street” and their harebrained hangers-on. None of whom will ever have the brains to be involved in anything at all which actually pays off absent bailouts and handouts. Hence, given that this is now the missions; then yes: More and more money will have to be printed. Such that competent people are debased. With the loot thus obtained, being handed to the idiots dumb enough to believe “finance” is some sort of a job, and not just makework for illiterate childbrains.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  StukiMoi
You don’t understand. It’s a scam. That’s it. Nothing complicated. You’re just try to find legitimacy and utility in a low rent street hustle. Actually meant to post this on another, oh well.
PreCambrian
PreCambrian
3 years ago
You are getting a lot of issues conflated. First whether or not it is 0% reserves or some type of fractional reserve (I guess that it could be argued 0/100 is a fraction but the problem comes when the 0 is the denominator and then the money multiplier (inverse of the fractional reserve) goes to infinity) there will always be duplicate claims on the same money. In a 100% reserves system how does money get created? In a gold backed system how does money supply expand if goods and services are expanding faster than the gold supply (it would have to be deflation). I believe that is what Ben Hunt intended to say (I don’t want to put words in his mouth and Ben is quite intelligent which one can discern from reading his service at Epsilon Theory). I think that you can say that irresponsible fractional reserve banking is a fraud but responsible fractional reserve banking (where you don’t have a central banker trying to manipulate the money supply and create money that no one is willing to pay for) is a driver for growth just as Ben Hunt says. You just can’t have the money supply increase much faster and over the long term faster than GDP.
Lots of things would contract and schools would be one of them if there was 100% reserve banking. Yes the government program on student loans did increase the demand for college education and therefore increased tuition but that is more of an indictment of the student loan program the fractional reserve banking.
I understand your frustration and somewhere sometime soon something is going to hit the fan but it won’t be because of fractional reserve banking, it will be due to poor government policies and the failure of people (the governed) to demand better. The best solution is something that John Hussman just put out in his market commentary (https://www.hussmanfunds.com/comment/mc230319/) and that is for the Fed to reduce it’s balance sheet by letting ALL of it’s treasuries roll off the books as fast as possible and bring some type of market to the price of money. If we (the US) want to have deficits then we will see what the market is willing to pay.
Business Man
Business Man
3 years ago
Reply to  PreCambrian
Great post, thank you. Lots of great info here, including your links.
Perplexed Pete
Perplexed Pete
3 years ago
Reply to  PreCambrian
Fractional Reserve lending does not exist. In 2014, Richard Werner proved empirically that banks create new, digital money out of thin air AFTER the borrower signs the loan contract, with no need for prior reserves or deposits.
The bogus Fractional Reserve model pretends that the money being loaned by a bank must exist in an account somewhere before the borrower arrives. We now know that this is complete nonsense pushed by mainstream economists, the bank-owned Fed, and the Austrian economists. Professor Werner studied German banks during the loan funding process and proved that the money being loaned is not transferred from any account inside or outside the bank. Nor is the money coming from “excess reserves” held at the central bank. Money loaned by a bank is 100% new, digital money created in the bank’s computer.
This system of bank-created money is correctly described as the “Credit Theory of Banking”, NOT “Fractional Reserve Lending.”
Proofs at bank LIES d0t 0rg
Business Man
Business Man
3 years ago
Reply to  Perplexed Pete
Both Perplexed Pete and PreCambrian sound like smart, informed individuals. I appreciate the debate and have much to think about. And I was an economics major in college. I feel ignorant on this issue.
Business Man
Business Man
3 years ago
Reply to  Business Man
But one thing that I will say is that “money” and “wealth” are not the same thing. If wealth can be created, why can’t money, which is simply a unit of exchange of wealth be created to keep up with it? Even though interest goes to banks, that interest should be lower than the wealth that was created as a result of it. In other words, I don’t view the bank as a creator of indentured servitude, but rather an assistant in the creation of wealth.
Perhaps you can argue that they should not get that privilege, but I don’t think it is a zero sum game. This is a fallacy that Marxists fall into.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Perplexed Pete
Pete stop the BS word parsing.
We both agree that money is borrowed into existence (or created by QE)
You keep ducking the real issue here and I am sick of it.
The real issue here (and I changed Fractional Reserve Lending to Fractional Reserve Banking) is banks invest money available on demand in long term instruments.
I call it fraud, while you hide under a rock.
ga7pilot
ga7pilot
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
The responder is BS, but the original poster is right. How does money get created? How does it expand?
Mish, you’re right about causes. But adamantly arguing for your banking system design only waists time and demonstrates a closed mind. If we wouldn’t trust the Phds at the Fed to design a good banking system, why should we trust anyone else?
Money backed by money is circular system in which nothing gets created, but is extracted. The banks would have to buy money with money and sell money with money. Makes no sense.
Perplexed Pete
Perplexed Pete
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
BS word parsing? No, it YOU who incorrectly uses terminology. Please do a simple google search for “fractional reserve lending” or “fractional reserve banking” and you’ll see that every definition involves the false description of banks lending and relending the same money over and over (AKA the “money multiplier effect). We both agree that this description is a complete lie. The CORRECT DESCRIPTION of the bank-created money scam is the “CREDIT CREATION THEORY”, NOT fractional reserve.
Also included in most definitions of Fractional Reserve are the additional lies of the Federal Reserve Banks being a governmental agencies, and the preposterous claim that this government-owned central bank must first create “high-power money” and distribute it to banks before they can lend. Simple research proves that the 12 Federal Reserve banks are private corporations owned by their member banks. And we know that individual banks create new digital money with no need for prior deposits, reserves, or mythical “high-power money.”
When you complain about Fractional Reserve anything, you are complaining about a system that doesn’t exist, even when your other critiques of banking are quite valid. You are complaining about the Keebler Elf system of cookie production, when, in fact, there are no Keebler Elves.
We should all remove the “fractional reserve” lingo from our vocabulary, just like physicians removed “Galen’s Four Tumors Theory of Disease” from their vocabularies in the 19th century.
Fraud, by the way, is a LEGAL definition. It is therefore impossible to have “legalized fraud”. And since banks are LEGALLY allowed to lend out bank deposits, your claim of fraud is quite incorrect. I would agree that this practice is “immoral”, and possibly “evil”, but it does not constitute fraud. So again, you misuse words.
Your proposed fix to this problem is a band-aid because it doesn’t address the foundational problems of debt servitude to banks, bank monopoly on money creation, government coercion forcing us to use bank-created money, nor the impossibility of repaying banks loans due to interest and principal exceeding the money supply.
The real issue here is involuntary servitude to private bankers (which violates the 13th Amendment, BTW). Your proposed “solution” amounts to improving the living quarters of slaves rather than abolishing slavery.
The true solution must involve: 1) abolishing all bank-created money, 2) zeroing-out all debts (Business, government, and individual), 3) transferring to a debt-free, interest-free money system.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Perplexed Pete
1. There is no money multiplier
2. Money is lent into existence
For Christ’s sake you keep telling me I am wrong about that but we are in 100% agreement on those points.
Now do you agree or disagree that money available on demand really isn’t. Because if you disagree you wrong.
All I can figure is you do not like the term “fractional reserve BANKING” but that is what it is.
There are no reserves at all. I want 100% RESERVES on DEPOSITS.
This has nothing to do with the fact we agree on: Money is lent into existence. And none of my posts ever said otherwise.
I have been talking about this for years, and now I suffer from you telling me that I think otherwise.
As best as I can tell, we are in a state called Violent Agreement, with you bitching about a term instead of the details of what I am saying.
ga7pilot
ga7pilot
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Sorry, I think I rattled his cage.
PreCambrian
PreCambrian
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
I am an electrical engineer that used to design power systems. Fractional reserve banking reminds me of electrical power system distribution. Assume for a moment that every house has a 200A electrical service. Inside the house every circuit is designed to handle the full potential load on the circuit (in order to prevent fires and other reasons). Every house can lay claim to 200A of electricity. However outside the house in the distribution system in your neighborhood the transformers which supply your house and the wires which supply the neighborhood are not large enough to supply 200A to every house simultaneously. Circuit protection elements (fuses or circuit breakers) would trip (or open) to prevent damage. Electrical engineers use what is called a “demand factor” to determine how to size the total load on the outside transformer and wires. The more houses on the same transformer the lower the “demand factor” can be. This is very similar to every depositor claiming the money that they deposited at the same time. The more depositors that a bank has the less likely that they would all lay claim at the same time. The electrical system could be designed so that everyone could claim 200A at the same time and the system would provide it. However this would take much more capital investment and resources to provide for an event that would be extremely rare or non-existent. So yes you could have 100% reserve banking but this would be a waste of resources. The challenge is to find the right percentage for fractional reserve banking. It is made very difficult with the Fed tinkering with interest rates which affects the demand factor for money.
Kick'n
Kick'n
3 years ago
Reply to  PreCambrian
Not really a good comparison. You’re talking about something physically real which may or may not be available at any given time. No electricity, no power. You can’t make electricity out of thin air. But you can make “virtual” money all too easily. It’s more similar to a house of cards. This is what caused The Great Depression, borrowing on nonexistent margin. The same in 2008 with derivatives. Every bank was making bets on lousy loans and backstopping/insuring each other against losses. It was all virtual money. It never represented real assets or at best overinflated assets. When the defaults started, the dominos started toppling and the king had no clothes! We’re going to find out who’s naked when the tide goes out!
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
You are correct. Currently, deposits do not fund loans. However, there was a time when they did, Back then, there was a real, competitively-determined opportunity cost to borrow money. Interest rates had meaning relative to risk, inflation , and the real opportunity cost. The real rate could never be negative because it would mean money was undesirable–thereby defeating its purpose and eliminating value.
In essence, back then we had an inbuilt control system (and feedback loop) for capital and money flows based on demand and supply, NOT the result of artificial political and social policies of a few people who THINK they know what is best for you.
Now, is it possible to use your idea and create a non-profit no-risk bank? Depositors will receive interest based on the appropriate short-term rate less their actual costs per dollar deposited. Before Fed-Now!
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Yes, deposits do not fund loans.
Yes, they used to.
We can agree or disagree on whether we should return to the way it used to be (rather was supposed to be because bankers cheated), but there should be no dispute otherwise.
jfpersona
jfpersona
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
I’m not sure I understand how deposits -ever- funded loans (not meant as a crack – honestly can’t see how this ever worked…).
In the past – by regulatory demand – a bank had to have so much in deposits in order to loan out so much money. But the mechanics seem to be the same –
1. Loanee asks for money
2. Bank offers (or doesn’t) terms that include a term of payback and extra payment (interest)
3. If acceptable, loan is codified and money is created in an account or via a check given to the loanee. In either case, the money is now basically a demand deposit with likely a very short life at the loaning bank. Supposedly this works because the bank now has an ‘asset’ on the books and the loanee has money.
At no point in the above sequence was it actually necessary to have a deposit already in existence. The previous requirement for a certain amount of demand deposits (reserve) just seems like an externally enforced requirement. Not a required feature of the system.
I don’t pretend to understand this very well, so I’m sure I’ve ‘blah blah blahed’ over something that would change my understanding, but this still seems to describe what happens to me.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  jfpersona
I’ve had three mortgages. They’ve worked the same way each time.
1. I asked for money.
2. Bank originated the mortgage, collected an origination fee for their work.
3. Bank paid the seller.
4. Bank sold mortgage to Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac (since combined), which combined mine with others and issued mortgage-backed bonds.
5. Bank sold servicing rights to someone else.
6. I paid the mortgage per the contract.
If any bank deposit was created, it didn’t sit in the originating bank for very long. A day? A week? The bank didn’t hold the loan, nor did they hold any deposit for longer than it took to pay the seller. What did I miss?
jfpersona
jfpersona
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
I don’t think you missed anything – other than maybe where the money went (I think…). In your scenario, the money didn’t sit with the originating bank – I also mentioned that the newly created demand deposit might have a very short life in the original bank. In your example, the money still likely ends up in a demand deposit somewhere – like in the real estate seller’s account(s). But it could actually end up in some other place – like additional investment in property or financial instruments.
I still think the point is that the loan didn’t need an existing demand deposit to be created. There might be externally enforced requirements that hook them together, but the process of creating money via a loan does not NEED the deposit apriori.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Do you argue that deposits are entirely a function of making loans, i.e. first the loan and then the deposit? If so, how would you explain my bank deposits, given that I have no loans outstanding anywhere. Paid off my mortgages 20 years ago, and have bought everything with cash ever since. Yet here I sit, with cash in some banks. What gives?
jfpersona
jfpersona
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
The money you have in demand deposit (or other) accounts got created sometime/somewhere. You received it either through wages or investment, but in either case, another entity was paying you. You didn’t create that money, you were given it through a transaction or trade. The creation was done before you received it.
Regarding creation – it seems like there are two avenues to money creation that make sense to me – the obvious (and minimal) one and the ‘behind the curtain’ (and majority) one:
1) Obvious one is to have the government print it up and release it into the economy – this is not the normal path taken (I think because it is too visible)
2) ‘Behind the curtain’ option creates entries on a ledger and money out of electrons – bank enters an asset (loan) on one side of their ledger and enters a deposit for the receiver of the loan on the other side. Receiver uses the deposit (money leaves bank into economy) and bank retains the ledger entry for the loan. Tada – money created.
joresc
joresc
3 years ago
What is the chance that Comex is doing the same fractional lending with gold?
Yooper
Yooper
3 years ago
Reply to  joresc
chance? 100% it’s going on, but to what extent?
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
I see no problem with setting up or using a bank like that. I am surprised that no one has made one yet. Maybe there are some hurdles to doing it that I am not aware of. Many years ago individuals could have a bank account at the Banque de France which is France’s central bank. It was stopped in the 1990’s because the regular banks complained that it was unfair competition. Having an account directly with the Fed would in effect be the same as what you are proposing except that it is governmental but for the safety of your money it would be hard to beat.
As for going back to linking your money to a metal whose quantity is pretty much fixed would create the conditions for hoarding and that is not at all good for the economy. Additionally the only real way to get more of the metal is to take from some else and that has its own problems. Perhaps with asteroid mining we could count on a supply of the stuff that would grow quick enough to finance growing economies.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
“I see no problem with setting up or using a bank like that. I am surprised that no one has made one yet.”
The hurdle is everyone would pull deposits and put them in a safekeeping bank.
The solution is to end the practice of banks investing money on demand in time-denominated investments.
It is my understanding that three banks tried to get approval and the Fed turned them down.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Thanks for that. Do you know why the Fed nixed the approval?
ga7pilot
ga7pilot
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
“..everyone would pull deposits and put them in a safekeeping bank.”
You have no way of knowing that.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  ga7pilot
You didn’t want to address that to me but to someone else.
ga7pilot
ga7pilot
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Sorry, wrong reply button. To Mish.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  ga7pilot
“everyone” is hyperbole.
Enough to cause is huge run is a given and SVB is proof enough, isn’t it?
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
They claim, at least as I recall, that for the better good, banks need to make loans.
It was some BS like that.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Ah I see. They don’t want to have the responsibility for money creation but only have the responsibility for money destruction. That is a very logical choice.
Jack
Jack
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish

Buying overnight treasuries are loans

Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Which leads me to the conclusion the Fed does not want competition outside the extremely narrow parameters followed by its member banks, because those member banks will be seen as the gluttonous vultures they really are.
What we had, as a result of the Fed’s malfeasance was a massive transfer of wealth from savers, and a shift into risker investments that is only now becoming visible.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
“The hurdle is everyone would pull deposits and put them in a safekeeping bank.”
Only if “non-safekeeping” banks weren’t, 100% of the time, bailed out anyway; once the blow they “invested” in left a hangover and the hookers got old and disease infested. Which they of course will. That’s why there is a Fed, after all.
So, instead: You have the option of putting your money in a Mishbank. And pay for safekeeping. Or you can put it in Dimwit Valley Bank, who invests in Electric hookers with AI, or whatever hype the gullibles happen to be gaga for at any given time.
Difference being: DVB pays you whatever it takes to get your deposit. While Mishbank charges you to keep it. Then, when DVB starts struggling to pay the pimp; The Fed will just debase Mishbank depositors to make them whole. “Saving the system”, as idiots are told it is named.
More generally: There is NO way to have a functional economy, as long as there is a Fed. No “clever” (as in naive) partytrick can ever work. The Fed steals because it exists. And theft is not compatible with free and functional societies. Period.
jfpersona
jfpersona
3 years ago
Reply to  StukiMoi
I enjoyed this post immensely – and the thought experiment outlined here should make everyone think.
pimaC
pimaC
3 years ago
excellent article. love your twitter posts. but dang! you’re just too logical for those folks, no?
KyleW
KyleW
3 years ago
I was thinking they could do duration matching, like they can make 10-year loans with money invested in 10-year CDs. It seems like the system is totally rigged to help the banks make a fortune and somehow they still fail.
mattdunn
mattdunn
3 years ago
Sounds like you are making the case and justification for CBDC. The Fed (gov’t) holds all of the deposits and lends them to banks against collateral. What could go wrong?
Per rating agencies – who cares, they got exposed during the financial crisis. I guess people are getting lazy again and listening to what they have to say.
What about the money markets funds? They hold ~$5trn of uninsured
deposits and buy short term treasuries w/it, or enter into repos w/the Fed. They have to hold a required amount of immediate available liquidity 25% daily/50% weekly. Banks offer MMFs but steer clients away from them to non-interest bearing accounts. Why not force banks to eliminate the non-interest bearing accounts to reduce the velocity of daily money moving btw banks and MMFs?
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  mattdunn
Money market funds are not insured BUT they have requirements to only invest in short-term treasuries.
When the Fed cut rates to near-zero, the money market funds were unprofitable. The Fed’s solution was Reverse Repos that paid enough interest for them not to “break the buck”.
Now at 4.55% on reverse repos to the tune of $2 trillion.
Absurd.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
You keep asking the question of how the FED can’t see what everyone else sees so plainly. I say they do see what’s going on and are deliberately wrecking the joint. They have a long history of doing just that. More money for them. More consolidation in industry. More government power. And the slaves just cheer them on.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
The wisdom of never attribute malice to what you can easily explain by stupidity. Herd mentality is not just a trait of the unwashed.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Malice can be easily attributed to the FED by virtue of their history. It’s called being a fool to expect the same people to create different results. The entire central banking scam was born out of deception and intent to defraud the people. So spare me your wisdom. They are a criminal organization that has been making banksters rich out of their self-created crisises. The level of stupidity you’re suggesting they possess doesn’t cut it at all. If you can’t understand that, you’re going to be missing the point on most everything else. We know them by their deeds. If you’ve bothered to read of them. That which is born in darkness can’t really stand in the light of day. But, stupid people can’t be bothered to look their owners in the eye.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
I’ll say it again, since 1980 the Fed has continuously sought increasingly convoluted means to compensate for losses in government tax revenues and household wage growth.
Both household debt to income and government debt to GDP continue to grow.
Reaganomics, there was no “trickle down”, only increasing debt to fuel periodic debt crisis’s.
.
Mac Timred
Mac Timred
3 years ago
I’m sorry but this is post is the rant of a child.
First, college tuition is expensive because of government student loan programs. Just like healthcare is expensive because government pays most of the cost. Extra free money creates inflation in everything everywhere all the time.
Second, fractional banking has been around for CENTURIES and is foundational to capitalism. The success of capitalism speaks directly to the value of fractional reserve banking. An occasional bank bust does not change that.
SVB was a failure of regulators. The primary regulators of the private credit markets, which include uninsured deposits, are the ratings agencies. In this case the supposedly two best, Moody’s and S&P, failed bigly. Especially Moody’s which gave SVB extremely high ratings right up until March 8 and even then only dropped them slightly (perhaps to avoid the bank run that eventuated anyway).
More regulation of the ratings agencies is in order. Specifically, the FRB should have oversight on any rating agency with respect to ratings of banks and bank holding companies.
Secondly, bank execs should not be permitted to be on Boards of Federal Reserve Banks.
Finally, Boards of bank holding companies with assets over [$50B] need to be held to a higher standard, again by way of FRB oversight.
Thank you.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  Mac Timred
Yes, it’s been around for centuries. And you defend it because it’s grandfathered in? It’s always been a fraud, even the most childish attempt at research into the history of banking would show you this. Just another fool embracing ignorance and still insisting they matter.
pimaC
pimaC
3 years ago
Reply to  Mac Timred
murder, theft, fraud, snake oil salesmen–they have all been around for centuries too. But that doesn’t make them right.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  Mac Timred
It’s been a failure of regulatory agencies, FED is the bank regulator. It printed money like drunken sailor, all the while basking in the sunshine of it’s magical omniprudence and omnipotence. And when inflation finally kicked it in the ars, it denied it, then belatedly started raising rates. The deadbeat companies it spawned, started going sideways, and banks that served them held on to staunch belief in pivot.
Yes, to regulation and oversight of the rating agencies.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
YES! But hold the regulation and oversight. ACCOUNTABILITY AND RESPONSIBILITY is key. There were massive failures of due diligence.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Mac Timred
All good points.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Mac Timred
First; tuition is expensive because universities are not held accountable for their lousy decisions. Healthcare is expensive because the government does NOT pay most of the cost. Hospitals are stuck with unpaid bills by walk-ins, and medicare/medicaid payments that do not cover their costs. The result is it is passed on to everyone else. Insurance companies strike deals, leaving you to pick up the difference.
Second; it is really not about fractional banking, BUT the competitive market determining risk and return. Having destroyed that relationship with zero real rates, it may be impossible to get back to it.
Third: SVB was a failure of GREED, DUE DILIGENCE, and lousy education. Regulators, like cops, are not known for their brilliance or timely discoveries. More regulation is the easy answer for fools. Quick, make a law and that will stop it. What will stop it is HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE. For starters: death penalty for any financial fraud over $100 million.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Exactly.
This mess is the responsibility of the executive officers and directors of the banks.
You can’t push it off onto regulatory frameworks.
Regulation could have been much tighter and the officers and directors could still have screwed it up.
Jack
Jack
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
You got that right – right now, the only penalty the SVB execs have received are the profits of selling their shares 2 weeks before the bail-out.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
3 years ago
Reply to  Mac Timred
“Second, fractional banking has been around for CENTURIES and is foundational to capitalism.”
Fractional reserving, like Absolutely.All.Else, is perfectly self correcting, hence completely unproblematic, AS LONG AS there are no bailouts. No forced, nor coerced, nor “encouraged” transfers from any third party. Ever. Since, just like Fractional Reserving: Bank runs have also been around for centuries. As has ropes and lampposts. Neither of which, just like Fractional Reserving, are any problem at all.
What HAS NOT been around since before central banks, is Fractional reserving WITHOUT the occasional bank run. And without the occasional banker dangling from a lamp post. What you CAN NOT have, is one without the others.
Jack
Jack
3 years ago
Fractional reserve banking is … responsible for the standard of living, technology and medical care you enjoy today.
Zero reserve banking will be responsible for the standard of living, technology and medical care you enjoy tomorrow.
No worries, nothing to see over here.
Bhakta
Bhakta
3 years ago
Mish, as usual you are putting forth intelligence or common sense. Pathetically, people cannot understand it. All my life we keep going through the same drama; it is always the system at fault. But the blame is always placed elsewhere.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Bhakta
Thanks
Some people here are in violent agreement with me, yet complaining I don’t know how lending works.
Matt3
Matt3
3 years ago

Mish. Start up a bank run they way you suggest. It would be a great free market experiment. I’m guessing it would not survive. You need some revenue to cover all the costs. Your bank wouldn’t be profitable.

Karlmarx
Karlmarx
3 years ago
Reply to  Matt3
what costs? You get money from the Fed, deposited into your Fed account. The Fed pays you interest on the free money. I think the only labor you would need is to have someone to withdraw your interest from your Fed account, and put it in the bank……..
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Karlmarx
Maybe I could run it from my home. I could call it Doug’s Bank.
Matt3
Matt3
3 years ago
Reply to  Karlmarx
Costs – well you have employees, IT and the associated platforms (online banking, mobile banking) – you can outsource these but your customers will want you to keep track of their money. Customers might also want to deposit money or even withdraw money by writing a check, wire, ACH or other method. Then you have regulatory costs to be sure you are complying with all of the rules as well as accounting costs – I’m sure your customers will want your bank audited by an independent third party.
But maybe I’m wrong and you will have little to no cost. Invest your capital and set it up. Good luck!
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Matt3
The Free Bank?
Totally online, all transactions handled by software with some AI to detect fraud. Minimal cost. All deposits buy Fed Bs. Select your account limits as percentages or $ amounts from:
1) Funds available/ rolled over today
2) Funds available in a week
3) Funds available in one month
Interest is calculated for the rate in effect at time of deposit and rollover. What is paid in interest will vary if funds are withdrawn prior to time of redemption.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Matt3
Three banks tried to do this. The Fed turned them down.
Such a bank would have almost no operational costs, zero loan officers, zero risk management officers, zero tellers, and no physical location.
It would take deposits and park them overnight at the Fed collecting 4.65 percent interest, while offering safekeeping.
Now, please tell me why I would lose money.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Sign me up as a customer.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
You would if you were one of the banks behind the FED that requires the volatility to increase their control. Small wonder the FED turned them down. Messing with their cash cow like that is just plain rude! This whole system is such a joke.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
You wouldn’t lose money.
You would lose purchasing power as the Fed created 4.65% more money from nowhere.
I have yet to read how the Fed’s production profits could create a surplus from which to pay interest on deposits.
Matt3
Matt3
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Mish,
You will still have costs. IT and safety for the system. Mobile payments – ability to accept deposits. Regulatory compliance. Check out all the laws and rules. Audits – you’ll have compliance audits, regulatory audits, safe keeping audits – you’re depositors will want to know your not moving funds around for your own benefit and that they are secure. No one will take your word for it. You’ll have to prove it and likely have to insure it. Then you’re going to need an annual certified audit of your financial statements.
To cover the costs, you’re going to need a spread between what you pay depositors and what you get paid on the money at the Fed. What will your spread be if rates drop close to zero?
I was in the banking business for a while. It’s not that simple. Exited in 2019 as you need a spread which was hard to find with rates that low. Only choice was to take more risk and we were not comfortable doing that. Sold to someone with a higher risk appetitive. As an aside, we were always questioned by regulators for our low tolerance for risk as it impacted our earnings.

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