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Real Interest Rates: Is the Fed Finally Ahead of the Curve?

Case Shiller National and Top 10 City Home Prices – OER, Rent and CPI from BLS

Current Case-Shiller data, released today, is through November. The rest of the numbers from the BLS reflect the same timeframe.

OER stands for Owner’s Equivalent Rent. It’s the price one would pay to rent their own house from themselves, unfurnished, without utilities.  

November 2022 Comparison

  • Case-Shiller National: 7.69 Percent
  • Case-Shiller 10-City: 6.31 Percent
  • Primary Rent: 7.91 Percent
  • OER: 7.13 Percent
  • CPI: 7.11 Percent
  • Fed Funds Rate: 3.78 Percent

That pretty much says most of what you need to know. As of November, the Fed was still far behind the curve by any reasonable measure.

Let’s go through the math and my preferred measure of CPI that factors housing into the equation.

A Better Measure of Inflation Rationale

  • We can calculate a better measure of inflation by substituting home prices for Owners’ Equivalent Rent in the CPI.
  • OER is the single largest component in the CPI with a weight of 24.235 percent as of December 2022. The number changes slightly every month. 
  • The BLS used to have home prices directly in the CPI but abandoned the practice on the theory that homes are a capital expense, not a consumer expense. 
  • I put housing back in an alternate CPI because inflation matters, not just alleged consumer inflation. Also bubbles matter, as the Fed unfortunately has proved time and time again. 

Real Interest Rates CPI and Case-Shiller 

Real Interest Rates based off Fed Funds Rate

Real Interest Rate Notes

  • The Real CPI Interest Rate is the CPI minus the Fed Funds Rate
  • The Real CSAI is formed by substituting the percentage rise in the National Case Shiller home price index instead of OER, then subtracting the Fed Funds Rate.

Explaining the Housing Bubble and Great Recession

  • In 2004, the Fed held its key interest at roughly 1 percent despite a roaring housing bubble. 
  • I calculate real interest rates of -2.24 percent based off the CPI and -4.57 by my preferred measure. 
  • By 2007, my measure or real interest rates went from -4.57 percent to +4.07 percent. Is it any wonder prices crashed and a Great Recession started?

In 2020, the Fed the Fed fueled its already huge asset price bubble with reckless QE and entirely predictable results.

Case-Shiller Home Price Index

Case-Shiller home price data via St. Louis Fed, chart by Mish

This is precisely what happens when the Fed blows bubbles. 

One of my readers commented that substituting home prices for OER is a big nothing burger because you either own your house outright or have fixed mortgage payments that aren’t changing.

This is a very wrong view. The Fed created huge bubbles with long-term economic distortion and damage. 

The Fed also created big sets of winners and losers, also with huge economic damages in the future. This economic damage will last for many years. 

The Fed blew bubbles that it would not have (at least not as big) had it just taken home prices into consideration.

Instead, the Fed woodenly look at the PCE price index which has an even smaller percentage of OER.

Looking Ahead

  • Home prices are still stubborn because real interest rates are still negative.
  • Also, we do not have the same extent of liar loans now as we did in in 2006-2007. 
  • Unless home prices collapse, the housing market will remain depressed because 30-year mortgage rates are still above 6.0 percent. 
  • It’s cheaper to rent with stubborn prices. 

As of now, real interest rates are still negative, but that will change in the next few months. 

Eventually the Fed will overshoot, but as long as home prices stay stubbornly high, it will be cheaper to rent at these interest rates.

And if housing remains sluggish, don’t expect much from the economy.

Home Prices Falling But Remain Very High

Case-Shiller home price data via St. Louis Fed, chart by Mish

For more discussion of housing, and Case-Shiller prices, please see Home Prices Falling But Remain Very High, San Francisco Negative From Year Ago

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Jovial
Jovial
3 years ago
Can someone explain the reasoning behind this claim?
if housing remains sluggish, don’t expect much from the economy
In a free market, I wouldn’t expect one sector to impact an entire economy to this degree. So is this claim related to the fact that the housing market has been extremely manipulated? If so, how so? Or would this be true independent of government/Fed interventions in the housing market?

Mjs357
Mjs357
3 years ago
So, according to experts, the “Everything bubble” popped and “alles gut” except for the Fed’s final rate % mark. Is this true?
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Zoning laws are a major reason why housing is so expensive and that is not going to change. NIMBY makes it quasi-impossible to build low-cost housing in areas that most need it. An example is Vermont which is 85% rural has a housing problem because many towns and villages do not want to build affordable housing. It’s nice and they want to keep it that way even at the cost of having their children having to move out of the state because it is unaffordable to live there. The Vermont government knows this and knows it holds back the state economically but it has a devil of a time fixing the problem. People once they have climbed up to a nice place to live want to pull the ladder up behind them to “keep it nice”. Since that mentality will not change the only thing to do is for people who can’t get in to move to a place that is less than nice and make it nice.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
No one cares about low-cost housing except people who live in it. There is very little profit, a lot of regulation, and nightmare tenants/owners.
Jovial
Jovial
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
While Doug78 cited “low-cost housing” specifically, his broader point is still relevant. Zoning laws also prevent the construction of higher density residential buildings (apt buildings, condos, etc) in many neighborhoods, even if they were to be priced competitively. That prevents developers from increasing supply to meet demand, which helps prices stay high.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Yesterday, CNN 9PM : Casus Belli
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago

“One of my readers commented that substituting home prices for OER is a big nothing burger because you either own your house outright or have fixed mortgage payments that aren’t changing.

This is a very wrong view. The Fed created huge bubbles with long-term economic distortion and damage.

The Fed also created big sets of winners and losers, also with huge economic damages in the future. This economic damage will last for many years.“

Mish. You and your reader are both right. You are looking at the big picture while he is focused on how things affect him personally.

If inflation causes his house to increase in value by 50k per year, his stock portfolio to go up by 100k, his salary to go up by 5k, and his food and energy expenses to increase by 3k per year, he is taking advantage of the siutaion.

The world is a complicated place.

Life is not fair, and it never will be.

There will always be winners and losers.

Whether the winning or losing conditions are “created” by the Fed, or by a thousand other things, doesn’t matter. What matters is what each individual does in response to what is happening in the world around them. Because you have no say in how the world works; including the Fed.

Someone who owns their home has an asset that is likely increasing in price because of inflation. Someone who rents does not get the same benefit.. As to why each individual is in their situation is impossible to say. However, if you have learned that home ownership is a good way to enhance your life, increase your wealth, force you to save, profit from inflation, and avoid the vagaries of renting, then you have some say in making your life better. If you rent because you never learned how to benefit from home ownership, then you might be one of a chorus of people who complain about how life is unfair and the government should fix things for you.

Similarly, someone who acquires skills and education to get a a good job or career and make a better life for themselves will be a winner. Someone who never bothers to acquire the skills and education will be a loser.

As I frequently say; I cannot change how the world works. All I can do is take advantage of how the world works. One way to do that is to be a home owner.

Another example; because of global warming, much of the world is attempting to transition from fossil fuels to renewables. There is nothing I can do about global warming or the worlds response to it. All I can do is take advantage of the situation.

Biden introduced the inflation reduction act with a lot of subsidies for renewables. Many here complain about it. But you can’t stop it. All you can do is look into how to take advantage of this act.

Eventually, the government will change and new policies will appear. And you won’t be able to prevent that either. But you can understand the policies and then take advantage

vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
i’ve been a landlord for decades. i’ve also owned my own personal residences. in about 5 states. i’ve also rented grand victorian houses from and admiral in charleston SC and also fantastic brownstones in brooklyn. and other locales, too. being a tenant has huge benefits. when the a/c busted in summer on a sunday day in SC, the admiral had a brand new one installed before night fall. i had to do nothing but call up to him as he lived in the bridge. the admiral was a great landlord and i a great tenant. there are also many periods in various places where r/e prices crash for long periods. my hood in downtown phoenix plummetted a good 60 percent from top circal 2005 to end of 2012. that was a long long time. many of my neigbors lost it all. jobs and houses. stuff happens. there is not one way to sum it all up. i’m back to being a tenant. it’s wonderful. zero stress. a grand home. as the appliances fail etc……..i thank heavens i don’t give a hoot. less is more. i have owned many homes and been a tenant at the same time. ha ha ha.
xbizo
xbizo
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
imo. The focus of housing costs does need to be on household cash flow when it comes to the inflation calculation. A portion of the market, owners, is fixed and the renters are not. Obviously, renters are screwed and have to pull back spending, while owners lowered their cash outgo in the pandemic and can spend their 5% salary raises.
Asset prices are interest-rate related. The doubling of my home value goes to my kids when I kick the bucket. Stock multiples are interest related. Two different discussion but they are always muddled together. Asset pricing is interesting to traders. Cash flow is interesting to the consumer.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
I see heavy job losses ahead along with deflation. The economy has entered the Bermuda triangle.
BigGringo
BigGringo
3 years ago
Case Shiller is bogus. No Texas Cities (Houston?, Austin? Dallas?). I can tell you one thing for sure, housing is stable in Houston after peaking in April/May. Not falling. Energy economy is too hot!
fsabbagh
fsabbagh
3 years ago
Hi Mish,
Really enjoy your posts. Question:
You stated “but as long as home prices stay stubbornly high, it will be cheaper to rent at these interest rates”. What if you have the money to buy a house outright? Is it worth it or is it better to rent and put your money in some investment vehicle (eg preferred, GIC, etc…)?
Regards,
FS
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  fsabbagh
It will still be cheaper to rent because I expect prices to come down significantly.
But for someone who wants a house and can pay cash, why not be happy?
We are building a house now and paying cash. Far better than a year ago because lumber prices crashed. Lumber back up a bit but our framing was close to the bottom.
We got the lots about 1.5 years ago and prices now are way higher, perhaps different elsewhere but there just are not a lot of view lots in St. George.
We wanted to live here a year to see if we liked it and both of us think this is a near perfect location. I do not like the summer heat but mountains are 1 to 2.5 hours away (depending on where we go) and temps 20 degrees cooler.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Sorry Mish. Though each individual’s circumstances are different, I have been hearing “wait for house prices to come down” for 50 years. And in those 50 years there were maybe 4 years where prices came down a bit. Only to go right back up. My parents bought their house in 1970 for $12,000 and today it is worth $600k. Waiting for prices to correct is rarely the right strategy.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Mish is from Deerfield Illinois if I remember correctly. That area was hit hard by the Heartland Deindustrialization and prices of houses there did not appreciate but depreciated so the idea that real-estate prices can collapse and not bounce back is the experience he had. I grew up in Middletown Ohio and exactly the same thing happened. RE went down and stayed down so renting was better than buying. He did say that when he sold his parents’ house there the price was so low as to be given away. If you had always lived in a place that prospered you would not have the same experience.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
You are correct. As it is often said; real estate is local.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Posted this in the prior article but maybe it makes more sense here:
Mish, here’s a question I’ve been wanting to ask. How big of a
bubble do you think we are in right now real estate wise. Double,
triple, quadruple?
Over the Xmas holidays I
was chatting to my parents about real estate since they are eventually
going to have to sell their home given they are in their early 80s now.
They reminded me that in 1965 (year I was born) they bought their first
house for 14K or so. In 1978 when we moved to the house they are still
in, they sold that 1st house for 44,900 (call it 45K). That means in 13
years, the home value tripled (14->45) and in 1978 interest rates
were vastly higher than today.
If I look at
the top chart (your prior article) it peaks at 800 in 2022. If I go back 13 years to
2009/2010 it was around 250-300. So in 13 years it’s tripled. Not much
different than 1965-1978 time frame. Would you say you remember home
prices being in a bubble in 1978?
Hence my question of how much of a bubble do you think we are in given real estate has moved like this before.
Counter
Counter
3 years ago
Some market valuations and ratios
S&P 500 Price to Sales : 2.37 (As of 2023-01-27)

Unit: Ratio. S&P 500 Price to Sales was 2.37 as of 2023-01-27, according to S&P Dow Jones Indices. Historically, S&P 500 Price to Sales reached a record high of 3.17 and a record low of 0.65, the median value is 1.54. Typical value range is from 1.68 to 2.54. The Year-Over-Year growth is -14.03%

S&P 500 Book Value per Share : 996.29 (As of 2022-09-30)

Unit: USD. S&P 500 Book Value per Share was 996.29 as of 2022-09-30, according to S&P Dow Jones Indices. Historically, S&P 500 Book Value per Share reached a record high of 1,008.02 and a record low of 290.68, the median value is 603.56. Typical value range is from 718.76 to 926.62. The Year-Over-Year growth is 1.35%

Insider Buy/Sell Ratio – USA Overall Market : 0.22 (As of 2023-01-01)

Insider Buy/Sell Ratio – USA Overall Market was 0.22 as of 2023-01-01, according to GuruFocus. Historically, Insider Buy/Sell Ratio – USA Overall Market reached a record high of 2.01 and a record low of 0.12, the median value is 0.34. Typical value range is from 0.19 to 0.65. The Year-Over-Year growth is -55.1%.

DJIA Dividends
(fluctuate more around higher numbers)
Dec 31, 2022 1.71%
Dec 31, 1995 2.24%
Dec 31, 1990 3.68%
Dec 31, 1985 3.81%
Dec 31, 1981 5.36%
Dec 31, 1950 7.44%
Dec 31, 1941 8.11%
Dec 31, 1931 9.72%
Dec 31, 1917 10.15%
Dec 31, 1871 5.49%
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
“Is the Fed Finally Ahead of the Curve?”
Obviously, NO! 30YFRM will continue to slowly drop, making it below 6% by the end of mid-March. This will cause a trough to start to form, meaning housing will begin to stabilize in terms of prices & sales. This trough will extend through May before things start to “slowly” pick up. This doesn’t mean double digit gains are store, far from it. However, it means the national 10 city average could start to creep up by June, SLOWLY.
Housing will not lead us into a recession this year. Next year becomes a more likely scenario.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
What does this mean for the yield curve? I suspect inflation is now in the wage structure. If it is, it may be the early 80s all over again.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
TT does have a point, assuming one believes the CPI is an otherwise accurate measure of inflation. From the point of view of someone who owns their own house, one can throw out both rent and OER.
Anyone care to do that? CPI big negative now. This is all seems so bogus, because prices matter, not just consumer prices.
The Fed’s preferred measure is PCE which has a far lower emphasis on rent.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
C/S chart : on the left, most cities started between 110 and 120 in 2002. On the right, after a roller coaster down in the middle,
most cities, ex NYC, peaked between 300 and 420 after 20 years.
The average compounding rate is 5% or 6% : 120 x (1.06^20) = 385.

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