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Are You Keeping the Faith in Cathie Wood’s ARK?

Cathie Wood’s ARK ETF courtesy of StockCharts.Com, annotations by Mish.

Losing Faith

The Wall Street Journal comments Investors Are Losing Faith in Cathie Wood’s ARK Innovation

Investors heeding a “buy the dip” rallying cry poured money into the fund in each of the first five months of the year—a net $1.89 billion—as markets tumbled. Since then, their enthusiasm has waned. They pulled money in three of the next six months, or a net $76.5 million, according to FactSet. On Nov. 30 alone, they yanked $146 million, which was among the largest single-day outflows of the year.

The three largest holdings in the fund—which is known by its ticker symbol ARKK—are Zoom Video Communications Inc., ZM, Tesla Inc., and Exact Sciences Corp., companies Ms. Wood has said have the potential to change the world.

Shares of Zoom and Tesla have lost about half their value this year, while Exact Sciences, an unprofitable provider of cancer screening and diagnostics tools, is down 43%. Ms. Wood has also been a proponent of bitcoin, which has fallen about 75% from its November 2021 peak.

ARKK added 931,000 shares of Coinbase worth roughly $43 million in November, according to FactSet. ARKK is the second-largest holder of Coinbase shares, which are down 84% year-to-date.

Wood’s Predictions

  • The price of bitcoin will hit $1 million by 2030, a roughly 6,000% increase from current levels.
  • Wood calls for Zoom, ARKK’s largest holding, to approach $1,500 a share in 2026. That is based in part on expectations of a worker backlash against returning to offices. Her bear case is for shares to trade at $700.

Zoom Round Trip

Zoom ZM chart courtesy of StockCharts.Com, annotations by Mish.

Is there any reason to believe Zoom is about to take off again? It has a trailing PE of about 32 according to Y-charts. 

ProductMint describes Zoom’s Business Model.

If monthly corporate subscriptions are not about to soar, where is it headed? Nonetheless, Wood’s bear case is $700, well above the pandemic adoption high. 

$1 Million for Bitcoin by 2030?

Chief Futurist

On September 7, 2022, Cathie Wood’s Ark Investment Management named its first “chief futurist“, Brett Winton.

What a hoot. 

What About Tesla?

Tesla TSLA weekly chart courtesy of StockCharts.Com, annotations by Mish.

Cathie Wood’s Ark Open Source Model Predicts Tesla Shares Will Hit $4,600 by 2026

Please recall my April 18, 2022 post Cathie Wood’s Ark Open Source Model Predicts Tesla Shares Will Hit $4,600 by 2026

Is Tesla really going to capture 50% of the autonomous market outside China? That’s what the model says.

By 2030 ARK predicts a share price of about $22,500 equating to a market cap of roughly $22.5 trillion.

US Real GDP in 2021 was $19.8 Trillion. 

ARK is predicting the valuation of Tesla will exceed the entire US real GDP by the early 2030s.

Yes, this is more than ridiculous. It also says something about ARK’s open source share price model. 

Ridiculous Price Targets 

Wood and her chief futurist are sticking with absurd price targets. This can hardly inspire confidence. 

And it doesn’t as measured by huge outflows.

Looking Ahead

Certainly ARKK is a better buy now than any time since 2018. But if you started dollar cost averaging then, you are now back to even.

Looking ahead, do you want to hold Ark’s Basket of Zoom, Tesla, Exact Science, Teledoc, Roku, Square, Shopify Coinbase, etc.? 

If so, make the case. 

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FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
3 years ago
I bought ARRK at 35 and sold at 99…Aint I a fn great investor ….
robc
robc
3 years ago
I dipped my toes in the CW waters a couple years ago and found that the volatility was too much to bear. Watching from afar, I still believe this. I’ve been steering clear of FOMO investments ever since.
jfpersona
jfpersona
3 years ago
“Looking ahead, do you want to hold Ark’s Basket of Zoom, Tesla, Exact Science, Teledoc, Roku, Square, Shopify Coinbase, etc.?”
Umm…No?
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Ark Investment Management named its first “chief futurist
Seems he needs a new crystal ball, already.
davebarnes2
davebarnes2
3 years ago
“Are You Keeping the Faith in Cathie Wood’s ARK?”
No, because I follow the wisdom of Jack Bogle: low-cost index funds.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
3 years ago
The truly saddest thing about the latest “futurist”/”change the planet” fad in conning stupid illiterates into believing anything in The West whatsoever has anymore any merit at all; is that even when a solid group of researchers hint they may have made a; however small; improvement in our understanding of controlled fusion: Noone of any significance even believes them at all! “Yeah, yeah, just another self driving car, battery car, flying car, Avatar, AI…” blah, blah hoax perpetrated to take financial and political advantage of little children of all ages. Even the, seemingly successful, latest Orion mission; is being met mainly with “wonder where the catch is….”
Just as people eventually get desensitized to morons crying wold everytime they see a Chihuahua: Ditto every cry of new,new,new! Science, science, science! Change,change,change! blah, blah blah; which has, in the Dumbage, become nothing more than annoyingly shrill background noise.
dbannist
dbannist
3 years ago
Reply to  StukiMoi
The fusion break through is remarkable….but the challenges that lie ahead for fusion research to overcome are even greater (orders of magnitude greater) than just a ROI on energy.

Fusion absolutely requires tritium, and tritium, not the ROI on energy, is the greatest challenge facing fusion. Frankly, it’s quite hard to see how that challenge can be overcome.

We can rejoice that there is an ROI on fusion certainly, but we cannot magically create more tritium without inventing a technology capable of creating large amounts of tritium. We may well do that one day, but with just around 8 lbs of tritium in the entire world (only 2 of which is actually recoverable), it’s difficult to see how fusion can move forward.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
Even with this breakthrough, Fusion remains decades away. As in maybe, just maybe my 14 year old daughter might live long enough to see commercial fusion reactors generating power.
I suspect we’ll find a way to generate tritium artificially since we know it can be made in nuclear reactors. Since reactors are decades away, we have time to either find a replacement or a way to create it on larger scales.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
It’s not net positive if you include the energy required to make the fuel. And for a practical source of energy, it would need to produce 2-3x as much energy as was required for the reaction. Still decades away.
astroboy
astroboy
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
It’s a lot worse than that. I worked for three years in fusion from energy research at the Naval Research Lab in DC. I would still be there but the earmark that had supported it got chopped in a 3AM deal between the house and senate. Anyway, if you’re dealing with laser driven fusion, which is the method that the news is talking about, you need something like a 50-70X on the energy you get from the fusion itself. Some issues: only 3-7% of the energy you put into a laser actually comes out as laser light (NIH is using the wrong type of laser too, but never mind), the deuterium-tritium pellet has to be frozen = near absolute zero, that takes a lot of energy, the whole facility has to be built, etc. Amusing fact: during the time that the laser at NRL was running it consumed more energy than the rest of the US. Although, that was just for about 10 to the -15th second so it was really all that much. What was really a hoot is that the energy the computers used for simulations/calculations was more than what the laser used, although those ran pretty much 24-7.
From the news stories I’m not sure if the experiment is getting 1.5X the energy as as the laser energy put in, or if they’re actually counting *all* the energy needed for ignition. If it’s the first, big deal, small scale experiments were doing that in the late 1970s.
Based on basic physics NIF took the wrong path in a lot of ways. However, the Sec of Energy, who had a Nobel Prize and a PhD in (fusion) Physics was set on doing thing his way, which only goes to show even a Nobel laureate can be an idiot… I’ll be surprised if NIF ever produces economical energy; it’s been doing things the hard way from day one.
astroboy
astroboy
3 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
The lunar surface contains a lot of tritium. It could probably be mined more or else economically. There are other atomic nuclei that are very very very common which could be used for fusion although it’s easiest with deuterium-tritium.
oee
oee
3 years ago
All it was a bubble. Inflation was low and interest rates were low. That encouraged speculation and she caught the trade. Now, that Vlad invaded Ukraine and inflated the world’s economy ; the central banks cut the easy money spigot so companies who could re-finance and remain afloat spite of net losses income; they could not survive now in an increased interest rate environment.
There have been bubbles in the past: Wall Street in 1920’s ; the internet bubble of the late-1990’s; the housing bubble of the mid-2000’s and then the internet bubble 2.0; there will be those who started at the bottoms of the bubble and will sell at the top and there will be those who move in last who will hold the bag.
Counter
Counter
3 years ago
Below 40 for long was wondering when they would close it
Avery
Avery
3 years ago
Has anyone come up with a triple reverse ETF with ARKK and Cramer picks?
Counter
Counter
3 years ago
Reply to  Avery
I follow Inverse Cramer ETF on twitter
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
3 years ago
Reply to  Avery
They’d still end up at zero, ARKK faster because volatility is what really dissolves a leveraged ETF, long or short.
GruesomeHarvest
GruesomeHarvest
3 years ago
Mobs, messiahs and markets to quote the title of Bill Bonner’s book which applies to this little escapade.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
FANTASTIC BOOK. great man. he even admits his newsletter business is a bunch of grifting bunk for eyeballs. ha ha ha. a rare man who admits what they do, it hooey. he does pen a keeper about how markets do work.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Zoom has a lot of competition. So does she think they’ll raise their prices way up and no one will jump ship to a lower cost competitor?
Seems a lot of Chinese companies are about to flood the world markets with low cost electric vehicles. Some costing as low as $10k. How is tesla going to react? Will they create models that cost way less than a model 3? If so, their profit margins will get crushed. Will they not try to compete and claim their vehicles are so superior, the extra cost is worth it? Might work, but a car costing say $15k that can go 200 miles fully charged instead of 350 and go from 0-60 in 7 seconds instead of 4 may be good enough for a big chunk of consumers. it will almost certainly eat away at their sales.
Bitcoin is worthless and will never go back to previous highs.
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
“Might work, but a car costing say $15k that can go 200 miles fully charged instead of 350 and go from 0-60 in 7 seconds instead of 4 may be good enough for a big chunk of consumers”
It will cost more than $15k, but the rest is valid. I don’t need to destroy my tires to get to the grocery store 15 seconds sooner. A 100 mile driving radius would also cover most of my trips, and even Fords excessively expensive Electric truck can’t pull the camper a reasonable distance.
The problem for me is that the fixed costs of a second vehicle (registration and insurance) exceed the marginal cost of extra gas for the truck. EVs cost more to register here since they don’t pay gas taxes, and that is quite fair. The super streamlined things don’t tolerate bad roads as well as the truck.
Irondoor
Irondoor
3 years ago
Reply to  Siliconguy
I don’t see any of the local snowplow guys here in Montana using an electric truck. Ditto for my camper.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
PRO TIP. assets under management. screen time on idiot box shows. eyeballs on financial newspapers and blogs. all have zero correlation to financial wisdom. might even be negatively correlated. i’m sure some PHD dissertations might have already explored this.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Sam Bankman-Fried was just arrested in the Bahamas. Since he is a flight risk he won’t see the light of day.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Change planet. The #2 Democrap donor, if brought to trial in New York (or any Democrap-run city) , is NOT guilty by definition.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Always with the angry tears…
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I bet that most of the people that lost money with him are Democrats and since SBF can’t contribute anymore his usefulness is now as being an example of how Democrats are now champions fighting white-collar crime and securities fraud. You can buy some politicians with money but the problem is keeping them bought. When the money runs out so do the favors.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
I wonder if it’s a ploy to convict him and give him a light sentence. So as to prevent a far worse sentence because of double jeopardy. I wonder if at some point the same thing will happen to Hunter.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Nothing will happen to hunter but a bunch of rage theatrics until conservatives find their next rage object.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
But Pelosi said no one was above the law.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
No. He will go to jail for a long time like Madoff who was also a very big Democrat donor. Madoff still ended up in jail for life.
xbizo
xbizo
3 years ago
Great topic! 60% of ARK portfolio growth was due to falling interest rates. Falling rates tie in to higher market multiples. It’s that Capital Asset Pricing Model. Stocks that were 10x sales in 2015 soared to 30x sales with the interest rate lows of the Great Lockdown. That part of the equation was re-set to 15x in the last year and is drifting still lower. Maybe it holds 14x, but I think 12x sales is better suited for a normalized recovery.
The other half of the formula is the cash flow growth (revenue growth and margin). So even though cash flows held up, the stock prices got crushed. Did she have the choice to dump everything and go to cash? No. So, fire up the PR machine.
As for her targets, she does predict Tesla to have 50% market share in EV because of the technological lead they have, but I think she systematically under-estimates that competitors move in response. I think she also pumps and dumps. Does she have the right market share, growth, the right margin, the right discount rate? You have to buy all of it. Unfortunately she has lost some street cred.
So, I would sit out on ARK until the fed interest rates pause. It may have bottomed and be dead money. It may not have bottomed. Once it bottoms though, that 20% revenue growth is going to give her bragging rights again. That’s 30% earnings growth typically.
There are also tech companies that are undervalued now. Earlier stage companies at 3.5x that should be 5x. They are moving up.
Look to cherry pick the ARK portfolio or find some smaller tech names you like. If this is ahead fake off the bottom, prices are still pretty good.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  xbizo
It is easy to make money in a rising tide using a Monte Carlo model.
If the Fed PUT returns, you are right. More of the same will preserve low hanging fruit.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Not interested in ARK. But after selling all my tech over 2 years ago (and buying oil stocks), tech is beginning to look interesting again.
I will probably start accumulating some small positions in several tech stocks over the next 12 months. I am also planning on adding to my current small positions in renewable energy stocks.
Will use the substantial dividends from all those great oil stocks.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
I got my eye on Oracle, IBM, Intel, and Cisco. A bit too rich right now but with JPow slapping the market this week, they could become great value plays for long term growth.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Thanks!
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
take a look at airbnb. it’s really a tech stock. and cash flowing and looking properly in the sweet spot for inflationary next few years. belt tightening. airbnb instead of middle brow hotels. not sure the high end boys and girls will do it.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
Thank you.
ColoradoAccountant
ColoradoAccountant
3 years ago
It’s just physics. This week it costs more to fill the Tesla than the spousal unit’s Suburban.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
It’s just lies…
shamrock
shamrock
3 years ago
Speaking of autonomous cars, Apple scaled back their plans from a fully autonomous car with no human controls in 2025 to a regular car which drives itself on the highway in 2026. Link added:https://www.seattletimes.com/business/apple-scales-back-self-driving-car-and-delays-debut-till-26/
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
But 5 years ago Mish said there would be self-driving cars everywhere by today.
Quagmire46
Quagmire46
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
And I remember something about self-driving becoming common for trucks, driven by economics but delayed by labor.
jfpersona
jfpersona
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
Is it 2030 already?
shamrock
shamrock
3 years ago
There’s SARK, an etf that aims to produce the inverse returns of ARKK. Same company announced SJIM, which supposedly will short all of Jim Cramer’s stock calls.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
You have to give her credit for a marketing innovation: use my Monte Carlo model to predict your wealth by investing with me.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
hat tip to the carninival barkers like ARK and cramerica and trump etc…………..amerika is all about huckerism. our department of war are nothing more than financial grifters, even. amerikans have gone around the bend.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Zoom, no one else offers online video conferencing, they have the monopoly, right?
Even Discord gaming app offers video now, for free.
Sunriver
Sunriver
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Exactly.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Quagmire46
Quagmire46
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Thank you for that link. I learned a lot. I didn’t know about all of the Zoom alternatives.
Base Camp 710
Base Camp 710
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
We never used Zoom at my work because of security issues.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Base Camp 710
i use it like Toobin
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Base Camp 710
Same here.
We use Microsoft Teams for online meetings.
bobcalderone
bobcalderone
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
I believe that new, up-and-coming company called Microsoft has an online video conferencing product…
Sunriver
Sunriver
3 years ago
I still like Pepsi going forward as an investment. ARK? Not so much.
The Pandemic, which I received this past Saturday for the first time, caused obscene valuations for so many equities.
Certainly retail therapy was the way the United States reacted to the Pandemic and so many equities benefited.
Long term? Pepsi.
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
3 years ago
Reply to  Sunriver
Good luck. Pepsi is colored water. When the Global Debt Ponzi goes into collapse, people will be lucky to have clean uncolored water.
Quagmire46
Quagmire46
3 years ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
So selling colored water at a premium price since 1898 is a bad business model?
Who knew?
Billy
Billy
3 years ago
“Ark’s Cathie Wood Remains Concerned About Deflation, Not Inflation” Reuters Dec. 14, 2021
“Cathie Wood: The Big Risk Is Deflation, Not Inflation” The Wealth Advisor May 16, 2021
“Cathie Wood: Everyone Is WRONG; A Deflationary Crash Is Coming (Not Inflation)” You Tube July 8, 2021
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Billy
folks pitching deflation and recession are smoking some of the good stuff, i’ve invested in weed stocks. off topic. weed stocks are the greatest trading stocks out there. emphasis on trading.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
From a certain point she lost control, but there was still hope. Hope isn’t good enough. If the DOW will turn down it will take her with it.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
Not if… when the Fed PUT fails, all is ka-put!
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
She is just another fund manager who had her day and will now fade away.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
When you look at SBF’s very close ties with the DNC and the media, and you understand that government is a narcisistic construct, it’s child’s play to figure out what is going on, and what the end goal is, in the crypto world.
SBF will get off entirely. That will all be blamed on that creepy meth head girl. The entire crypto market will be regulated. Possibly out of existence. Bitcoin may survive, but any crypto will have to adhere to strict tracking regulations in order to connect them to the social credit system they want so badly.
In 3 months the us FED will be implementing its digital coin for use between central banks. That’s one step away from eliminating cash.
The FTX debacle was either a deliberate failure to achieve this goal, or it was going under and they decided to use their inability to run a legitimate business into a crisis they could use to reach their objective.
Once you understand narcissists, you’ll understand pretty much all of the serious problems we face as a society.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
great book, “sociopath next door”. one in 25 are. can be our busboys or brothers. or bloggers.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
Was that the one that the author claimed to be one? Starts out by drowning a possum in her pool? Excellent book if it’s the one you are referencing.
Outback
Outback
3 years ago
Kathy the Witch will BURN just like Joan of Arc.
Can NOT wait to watch her BURN tied to her nothing stocks which she hyped .
The Church and investing should never be in the same bed. Kathy tried to bed the two
has turned out to be a whore.
Her burning time is COMING. Cannot wait.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Outback
Supernatural Kookery
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Wood calls for Zoom, ARKK’s largest holding, to approach $1,500 a share in 2026. That is based in part on expectations of a worker backlash against returning to offices.
I am not an ARK investor and there was never any appeal, I prefer to do my own investing my way however she may be right about worker backlash returning to offices. I just got approved to work remotely and know others as well. I do know of quite a few people that will be quitting at the end of the year for a variety of reasons and none are retirement. I think 2023 we may see the ‘great resignation redux’ despite layoffs and other recession possibilities.
Will Zoom go to $1500? Probably not nor any of the other wild predictions but I will be working remotely in a few months. Gonna finish up the year in Chicago and move overseas. There are now more options than ever for digital nomad visas and seems ever few months more countries open up. Never did find a rental property with the right cap rate so I’ll try somewhere else.
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
I think A LOT of Americans are having the same idea at once, including me. I moved to Grand Bahama this past June and am working remotely while I fix up the place. Once I don’t need the cash flow needed for upgrades I’ll retire and do a lot of fishing and diving.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
ha ha ha. hat tip captain. the free shi* army is marching along. i’m a 5 star general.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
I thought of the Caribbean but after all those hurricane devastation videos, I’m looking for safer options. I do plan on visiting there though.
FlyNavy1
FlyNavy1
3 years ago
My market bottom indicator is and remains the liquidation of Ark Investment Management.
Bam_Man
Bam_Man
3 years ago
Cathie Wood’s crazy price predictions for all these wildly speculative “investments” could only be realized in a hyperinflation scenario.
Has anyone asked her what she thinks a loaf of bread will cost in 2030?
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  Bam_Man
She’s probably having a nervous breakdown as she just realized she’s about to learn all about being homeless.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
she’ll be selling time shares in a decade. knew some guys in charleston SC selling them. they were from brooklyn but had fake british accents and hooked the middlebrow tourists on the streets into their offices for a free lunch……….it was a work of art to watch.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
When I was a financial planner, I would have access to all of my clients financial information. This is necessary to do a good job. I had a few clients from my initial days that had time shares. I never even bothered to try and get them to get rid of them, though if they had expressed an interest in doing so, I would imply that it was a good idea. There’s a reason for that behavior on my part. No one is more closed on a deal than those who have bought a time share. They would rather pay for that, and fail to meet any of their financial goals, than admit it was a bad choice. There is a reason I said these were my clients from my early days as a financial planner. I had already had a few years as a stock broker, even as a branch manager, so I began as a closer and not as a salesman. So, I didn’t need to take just any client for very long. Just my greed that landed me those. Well, that and the fact that I was working for a fortune 50 company and the inevitable bureaucratic thought patterns that rule those organizations made it an initial necessity until I was productive enough to tell them to just stay out of my face. And then give those clients to others. I don’t need no pikers around me.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Bam_Man
She has a Monte Carlo simulation model for bread and other sundries. The 2030 price for one loaf of white sliced bread is $285.47

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