GDPNow Forecast Dives to -1.0 Percent Following Income and Spending Data

GDPNow data from the Atlanta Fed, chart by Mish

The Atlanta Fed GDPNow Model forecast took yet another dive today. 

The GDPNow model estimate for real GDP growth (seasonally adjusted annual rate) in the second quarter of 2022 is -1.0 percent on June 30, down from 0.3 percent on June 27. After recent releases from the US Bureau of Economic Analysis and the US Census Bureau, the nowcasts of second-quarter real personal consumption expenditures growth and real gross private domestic investment growth decreased from 2.7 percent and -8.1 percent, respectively, to 1.7 percent and -13.2 percent, respectively, while the nowcast of the contribution of the change in real net exports to second-quarter GDP growth increased from -0.11 percentage points to 0.35 percentage points.

The previous forecast was on June 27 at 0.3 percent. The model rose from 0.3 percent to 0.7% on June 28 on Advance Economic Indicators (inventories and international trade in goods). 

What Matters 

The overall number is not what matters although the -1.0 percent estimate looks ugly.

What does matter is real final sales. The rest is inventory adjustment that nets to zero over time. That number is still an acceptable 1.5 percent, assuming it holds. 

But how likely is that?

All About Revisions 

I have been harping for two month that I expect negative revisions. 

We subsequently had negative revisions to retail sales and today to personal consumption expenditures.

Are CFO’s in la-la land expecting positive GDP? 

At least, they are not telling us the “Consumer is Strong.”

Personal Income and Outlays 

Bloomberg Econoday consensus, highlights and annotations by Mish.

I am not sure what some of these economists are smoking with expectations ranging all the way up to a 1.1% rise in PCE. 

We already had negative revisions to retail sales in May, so why would PCE rise? 

It didn’t, in real terms. And as expected and announced by me in advance, we had negative revisions and then a weak report on top of it.

The net result of all the activity since June 27 was a dive in the baseline estimate to -1.0 percent. 

However, and more importantly, the GDPNow forecast of Real Final Sales only declined to +1.5%. 

That’s not recession territory if it holds, but why would it?

Looking Ahead

Looking ahead, I expect more weak numbers and more negative revisions. 

The second quarter ended today, But the data lags. 

We have a key ISM number next week, another retail sales report, more housing reports, and another personal income and outlays report. 

Look at the trend folks. Where is it headed? And there is still a month’s worth of data coming in. 

Personal Income and Spending: The Latter Much Weaker Than Expected in May

Meanwhile please note Personal Income and Spending: The Latter Much Weaker Than Expected in May

Real PCE decreased 0.4 percent in May; goods decreased 1.6 percent and services increased 0.3 percent. And we had big negative revisions to April. 

I’ve Seen Enough, the US is in Recession Now, Q&A on Why

On June 22, I commented I’ve Seen Enough, the US is in Recession Now, Q&A on Why

This report and the negative BEA revision to first-quarter GDP strengthens my conviction that recession started no later than May.

It’s possible a recession started in the first quarter given negative BEA GDP revisions,

On June 29 I commented The Odds of Recession Starting in the “First” Quarter of 2022 Just Leaped

Despite a huge negative Q1 revision, I am still sticking with May as the recession start. See the above links for an explanation.

Powell: “We understand better how little we understand about inflation”

In case you missed it please see Powell: “We understand better how little we understand about inflation”

Powell: “Is there a risk we would go too far? Certainly there’s a risk. The bigger mistake to make, let’s put it that way, would be to fail to restore price stability.

Powell is committed to whipping inflation even at the expense of recession. That means a recession is now baked in the cake, sooner not later.

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Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
The bigger mistake to make, let’s put it that way, would be to fail to restore price stability.
He lies.
What he really means is he wants to reduce the rate of price increases to a slower rate of increasing prices.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Mish has been talking recession for the entire time I’ve been reading his site — about four months. The talking heads have beclowned themselves throughout. First denying inflation altogether. Then calling it “temporary.” Then saying that the consumer is strong and if there’s a recession, it might happen in ’23 or ’24. And soft landing, blah blah blah. This morning a talking head on Bloomberg, a “chief investent strategist,” says the market has priced in “a slowdown or mild recession.” Good God, these people are slippery eels, no? LOL
It reminds me of something I cited back in 2007 after that stupid fool, Jim Cramer, working at that worthless network, CNBC, said that residential real estate was falling but not in Seattle. I was living there, and I’d do the looky-loo thing at houses for sale in the neighborhood, and it was obvious that Seattle was tanking. I had a little blog at the time, and compared Cramer’s delusions to The Masque of the Red Death, by Edgar Allan Poe. Same deal now.
These people!
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
p.s.: The latest Bloomberg’s spokeschick informs us that Larry Summers says that water is wet and we’re headed for a recession sooner than he thought. The aforementioned “chief investment strategist” helpfully advises to look for quality companies with strong cash flow. Given that the “progressives” have pretty much killed off comedy (except for Fox’s Gutfeld, who seriously cracks me the f up), I find myself turning to Bloomberg, CNBC, and FoxB for laughs.
Jeff Dog
Jeff Dog
3 years ago
We could teetering on recession but I don’t agree we will get one called for Q1. The NBER website for Business Cycle Dating says that in recent decades the technical indicators they weight most are real personal income less transfers and nonfarm payroll employment.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Dog
Not sure it really matters. Maybe it’d be for the best if the pooh-bahs keep denying what everyone sees, as a means of giving the Fed more room to tighten. They can call it an alligator, or sunspots, or the heartbreak of psoriasis — anything but a recession. LOL
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
Looks like the long bond has topped? 10-year yield is now about 2.91 I hope it keeps going down further. I was down almost 10% on a 5-year brokered CD. It was getting ridiculous.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Every downtrend have bear market rallies. Option : the final sales might have a bear market rallies in Q3 and Q4, followed by a deeper correction
next year.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Reverse Repo in an all time high at $2.33T. JP might raise the Fed rate in an accepted moderate rate. // The final sales trend is down since May. What matter is the trend. In order to stop the downtrend there must be a stopping action and a selling climax. The forecast indicate (-)1.0, It
might be/ might not be a selling climax, followed by a sharp pulse up. If the selling climax happen at around the zero level (+/-), this correction is mild.
If at deeper negative territory, after a further decline, it’s a real recession, to be verified with Claudia Sahm and SPX plunge.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
@C_O
Is there still shortage for chips in cars?
Those are older, not as profitable chips as I understand things.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
I recall you republishing something about possibly defective chips in Tesla cars. Was that you? I think it was, but I do a lot of clicking and could be mistaken.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
“I am puzzled by one thing. If the technical definition of recession is two consecutive quarters of negative real GDP growth, wouldn’t the recession have started in the first of those quarters? You allowed for that in your post but also suggested it might’ve started in May.”
I have stated many times: 2 quarters of negative GDP are a sufficient but not necessary item.
That is not quite correct.
Two quarters of negative real final sales would be sufficient.
I am uncertain if we get that.
Although the GDPNow forecast is sinking rapidly, RFS is still +1.5% annualized, a smaller than it seems number, but still positive.
IF that holds, then it’s more likely the NBER dates the recession start to May. They might anyway, based on jobs.
The NBER looks at a variety of things, but two quarters of consecutive negative growth is not a requirement. Covid lasted two months, not even an entire quarter.
April 2022 was a pretty big positive month. If that’s revised lower still, it’s more likely the NBER will start the Recession in February rather than May.
In the end, this matters little now other than personal satisfaction of being right.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Thank you for the explanation. I really appreciate it. I am familiar with federal economic stats. I could flesh that out, but it would entail breaching my anonymity, and in these times I hold that close. As for the personal satisfaction of being right, I raise a toast to you! You know from a prior post of mine that if I think you are full of it, I’ll say so. But this time? You nailed it, and in this little whirlpool I think it’s vital to say so.
Highest praise I can give to a writer of the sort of thing you do: “He said what needed to be said.” No matter what other mistakes you make, no matter what bad calls, know this: You nailed it, and someone who looks closely, and who has the knowledge and experience (with such frustrating gaps) made sure to say so. Old New Year’s resolution, the only one I’ve ever made, and kept: If you are satisfied, make sure to say so. Kudos to you for your call, and for the work, the thought, and the experience that went into it. This is what Americans do. Thank you!
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Tried to give you strokes, and once again it went into a moderation queue when I went back and italicized it. Way of the software.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
American “Special Military Operation” incoming.
It is THEY who are to blame! KIIILLLLLLLL THEEEEEEM!
Jmurr
Jmurr
3 years ago
Now that we know it’s a recession, it seems the big question is the impact on earnings and earnings expectations. 30%?
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Jmurr
Check what Micron Technology just announced. Focus not on their Q3 results but on their Q4 guidance. Incoming!
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
The big question now is what will the Fed do at the next FOMC meeting? +75? +50? 0? -25?
If Fed goes =< 0 then stocks to the moon! Place your bets!
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Anything less than 75 bp will invalidate all of Powell’s blah blah. If he had balls, they’d go 100 bp.
bobcalderone
bobcalderone
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Inflation to the moon too!
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Better to worry about the depth and duration of recession than a start date, especially given the revisions coming in. Final retail sales are key. Can’t sell it, you don’t import/produce it, regardless of inventory. Today’s trip to Walmart was another eye opener. Twenty percent increases in most items since a month ago. Cheese up by 40%. The shelf price is often 10% behind the register price. That in itself is telling.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Agree, focus on duration and scale not when it started.
I still see bare shelves of some products but yeah, costs up for everything across the board.
It won’t help that there are union pushes everywhere, that just means higher costs for everything as wages go up but you can’t blame folks for going there.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
I’ll really know it’s fully out of control when our small-town grocery store raises the price of sliced mushrooms. LOL
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
My guess 2022 will be far worse than the ’08 ‘great recession’–more like the 1930s as the debt bomb takes off. Too much money has been poorly invested with low yields/required returns.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I think that’ll depend on two things:

1. How extensive and contagious were the “tulips,” i.e. crypto and tech story stocks? The Panic of ’08 was triggered by rampant housing finance fraud that corrupted the mortgage-backed securities business. That’s a huge, critical economic driver in the United States, and the result was a return to traditional lending benchmarks. Is there anything out there now that’s comparable? I’m not saying there isn’t, but I don’t see it. Bull markets always entail some fraud and stupid risk taking, but still, how big this time?

2. The execution of Powell’s declared promises to unwind the balance sheet and raise fed funds. It’s delicate. A big part of me wants to get this corrected fast and big, but then I recall Andrew Mellon’s advice to Herbert Hoover. The Great Depression was a life-shattering event in this country.

jhrodd
jhrodd
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
I’m not sure how much the NINJA and sub-prime loans figured into the 2008 GFC. I had friends who bought short sale and foreclosure properties at a that time and in all cases the previous owners were not under any financial distress, they just elected to quit paying the $400k mortgage on a house they now felt was worth $200k. The SHTF really when the commercial paper market froze up. As I recall McDonalds Corp couldn’t make their payroll. These big Corps are so addicted to debt they borrow to make their payroll, and they borrow to pay shareholder dividends, and they borrow to buy back their stock…. I suppose it may be mostly tax avoidance, onshore the expenses and offshore the profits.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  jhrodd
So my father died (mercifully) between Shrub and Oh-who-ba. Given my background, family asked me what I thought of the bailouts. My response was that it was as comfortable to me as swallowing razor blades, but it was necessary. No one on earth will ever confuse me with the p.r. department of any bank, but I thought it had to be done, or else.
“Imagine a truck driver who picked up a load at General Mills in Minnesota. He’s on his way to Denver, and stops to refuel. He puts his credit card into the pump, and it’s rejected. The food never gets there.”
It would be hard to overstate how uncomfortable the rescue made me. But guess what? An empty stomach trumps (small T) everything, especially if you are a native Midwesterner raised to clean his plate because there are starving children in Korea. I’m very, very big on free markets and sound money, but I am bigger on being fed in a country that feeds not only itself but many millions elsewhere. No one should ever once, not for a microsecond, lose sight of what finance exists to do. Ever.
jhrodd
jhrodd
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Funny example, since I was an OTR trucker for 30 years. I wouldn’t need to refuel between Minnesota and Denver since I averaged 8.5 mpg and carried 300 gallons of fuel. I also bought my truck tractors for cash (leased to a carrier) and paid out of pocket for all my expenses. I leased to a carrier once who paid a nice rate of interest if we left our settlements in our account. I went almost a year without taking any receivables. I also designed and built houses as a hobby, for cash of course. The last time I paid any interest to anyone was back in the early 1980’s when I financed a car for 2 years. So, I’ve been self employed my entire life, entirely debt free and have never had the slightest financial worry.
Karlmarx
Karlmarx
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Extent of union activity (for example strikes slowdowns) is always a sure sign we are in recession. Unions always behind the curve
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Certainly agree on shape of recession.
Post has been in my head for days, just have not written it up
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
I, for one, am very interested. You’ve been the smart bomb down the smokestack in this cycle (which is when I found your stuff), so rest assured that I follow every one of your posts.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
FWIW, this QT has to happen and Powell is letting us know this. For some unknown reason, Powell caved in December 2018 when the market threw a taper tantrum. 2019 went by and then Covid hit in early 2020 and the rest as they say is history. Powell should have never caved in December 2018. Whatever is happening now is LONG overdue.
Bronco
Bronco
3 years ago
“Powell should have never caved in December 2018.”
True. But it is a fair question to ask when he bends / breaks this go round.
I’m in the recession trumps everything camp. In 2018 economy not in a recession, so financial markets responded (very) favorably to his U-turn. Now? I don’t think it matters what Federal Reserve does since business margins (profit) about to get crushed. Back in 2008 Federal Reserve eased mightily (rate cuts + QE announcement around Thanksgiving, iirc) to no avail (outside of brief rallies following announcements). Markets continued down until March 2009 – to almost the day – when Congress strong armed FASB to allow banks to use mark to model rather than mark to market (FASB 157).
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Bronco
I think the Fed is now between the proverbial rock and hard place. I see no workable alternative to another Volcker squeeze. The longer it’s delayed, the worse it will have to be.
Bronco
Bronco
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
“I think the Fed is now between the proverbial rock and hard place.”
Most definitely.
Unfortunately, for the Federal Reserve, inflationary pressure takes a while to build … and even longer (if ever) to get out of cpi.
Meanwhile, assets (financial + hard) will fall much quicker (than cpi) as Powell tightens.
All the while Jim Cramer SCREAMING into the camera that Federal Reserve does not know what it is doing.
What will Powell Do??
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Bronco
Cramer? Now ain’t that the pot calling the kettle black.

What will Powell do? My WAG (wild-a** guess) is jack up fed funds and chicken out on the balance sheet. If I’m correct, we’ll have a stock market crash to 2,500 and ongoing inflation.

Bronco
Bronco
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Time to stock up on beer and popcorn.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Bronco
We stocked up on toilet paper, paper towels, beef (from the ranch, half a steer), a whole pig, and propane, plus all manner of pantry items. I won’t talk about our stock of the means to defend ourselves and our hoard other than to say that we have that one well covered.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Bronco
FASB mark to market saved failing banks, that should have failed. The same banks have made the ‘same’ mistakes again–no learning from mistakes when you get bailed out. Only now it is worse–the Fed is firing blanks.
ColoradoAccountant
ColoradoAccountant
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
It was the change from “mark to market” to “mark to model” that saved the banks. Under mark to market they were all underwater.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Yes, my mistake. I was not thinking. The funny thing is I floated a plan at the time: the banks foreclosed and kept assets on the books, but were allowed to switch mortgages to an owner’ lease (same or less than mortgage payment) with an option to purchase for say five years. Keeps people in their houses, slows foreclosures dropping the price, and buys time.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
I agree in principle. I think QT was sadly necessary after the Panic of 2008, but should have been gradually unwound. I think the big damage was done starting in 2020. The Fed went hog wild with another QT, and Congress added major velocity with the free money. Here we are, and it’s going to be painful.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Oops, I meant QE.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Easy to say, except high interest rates will
1) bankrupt many businesses, increasing the risk premium
2) cause stocks and bonds to lose value–victims include pensions and 401ks,
3) create larger federal deficits to make interest payments….
At the end of the day, Powell is a eunuch.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Another post hit the moderator queue. Why this happens baffles me. In this case, I went and edited it to italicize and boldface my congratulations to Mish for making such a great call on recession. Mish, you nailed it, and have every good reason to feel good about that call, which was non-consensus. The markets will humiliate us all and make us feel like idiots, so when you’re right it’s cause for satisfaction.

I am puzzled by one thing. If the technical definition of recession is two consecutive quarters of negative real GDP growth, wouldn’t the recession have started in the first of those quarters? You allowed for that in your post but also suggested it might’ve started in May. It’s a bit of a condundrum in my mind.

That said: congratulations! I’ve hopped back into the cable TV market channels (Bloomberg, CNBC, FoxB) and watched so many fund managers talk their books and their hopes in the face of growing evidence that a recession has already begun. Every time I heard some fool project that there wouldn’t be a recession until ’23 or even ’24, the only thing that saved my TV from being taken out by a brick was that replacing it would have entailed a couple thousand bucks and a 150-mile roundtrip.

I had forgotten just how unskilled most economists are when it comes to predictions. The last few months have reminded me that I have no less reason to be a cynic about economists than I ever was. Mish, ya nailed it. Kudos to you.

Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Thanks
Much appreciated!
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
If you knew me more than online, you’d know that I flatter no one. You earned it. Look in the mirror and smile, but remind yourself that you’re human and you will be wrong. Oh, could I ever give examples, but I avoid regrets. Best to you, and keep it up.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Just lost a post myself for not meeting standards, or such. Very annoying. Nothing rude or political, but an explanation of the 2007 housing collapse. It was very predictable from employment. It peaked in early 2007. Real estate buyers were financing 90+% with incomes about 1/10th of the mortgage debt. Bound to fail–all it would take was a slight turn-down in employment. At peak employment, the probability of a turn-down is HIGH.
While bank lending standards were a prime cause, the bigger problem was the chronic under-pricing of systemic risk. There was no cushion built in. Pooling mortgages with high default risk supposedly eliminated that risk. Slicing and dicing tranches did not help.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I resolved to complain no further about this site, so I will smile and raise a toast to sheer randomness. I’m happy that I’m not the only victim, for misery loves company. But on the randomness front, when will I win the Powerball Jackpot? LOL. On the mortgage front, the main problem was origination fraud, but I seem to recall that the rating agencies might’ve been on the take too.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
In the mid-2000s the computer models the investment banks shared for pricing sliced-and-diced mortgage packages did have a parameter for the aggregate annual increase in home values. With lack of foresight, the model was incapable of accepting a negative scalar value for the rate of home value increase. A bit later this became a problem.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
Confirming an economic slowdown here in semis. Sales and earnings are declining precipitously and raises were limited to 4% at most rather than the intended double digit raise some had expected.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
C_O what’s your job?
LiveSquawk
MU | Micron: Smartphone Unit Sales Expectations Have Declined Meaningfully For Calendar 2022
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Right sector. But not Micron or any other memory based semi. The slowdown is becoming widespread in semis.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
I view Micron’s news, and especially their forward guidance for Q4, as having implications far broader than that company. Their memory and storage devices are integral to computers (I think including smart phones), and that BIG decline in expectations says that the entire tech sector is in for very rough sledding.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Game industry is getting hit too. For the past 10 years, it’s rained money, but the sun appears to be coming out. The naked swimmers are starting to reveal the actual size of their wedding tackle, and it turns out the water was a bit chilly.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Chip shortage to chip glut all within six months.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Orders from some equipment vendors went from 3-6 month wait to being received within 3 months. That is sign of inventory build + slowdown.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Plus increased production coming online.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Yeah, imagine that.
Forecasting is a witch. Without eye of newt and unicorn horn, spells are useless.
I don’t know about the chip game, but IMHO most forecasters use basic extrapolation/smoothing software–great when the past predicts the future, useless with uncertainty and complex interaction of fundamentals.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Predicting economic trends is very difficult, especially about the future.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
I’m a bit puzzled. If the technical definition of recession is GDP (real) contraction for two consecutive quarters, doesn’t that mean a recession began during the first negative quarter?
In any case, Mish, you have every good reason to take a bow and do a victory dance. Really: Congrats! The markets will make idiots of all of us, so when you get a big call right, look in the mirror and smile without letting it go to your head. You’ll have plenty of chances to be wrong later. LOL
I’ve hopped back into the market channels (Bloomberg, FoxB, CNBC) this year, and especially since the Russkies and Ukes. I’ve been just appalled at the low quality of these sources, but especially by the rampant complacency and wishful thinking among the book-talking “experts,” not to mention the “economists.” It reminded me of how cynical I’ve been about economists for a long time; but I’d been away from all this stuff until lately, so I hadn’t remembered just how unskilled most of them are at predictions.
It won’t surprise me if these dorks still try to say that we’re not in recession. When that b.s. becomes unsustainable, then they’ll forecast a shallow downturn and a quick recovery, V-shaped. Oh, and I really hadn’t realized until the last two months just how “woke” Bloomberg has become. Good God, it’s like CNN or MSNBC with numbers. Yikes.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
About that QT.
Latest weekly had a shrinkage of ~ $21 billion to balance sheet. For the month – the total shrinkage about $1.5 billion. Seriously.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Very lagging
Because of reporting lags and settlement – nothing at all was expected until Mid-June
This was a know artifact
Bam_Man
Bam_Man
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Important point!
Bronco
Bronco
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Yes to lagging and settlement.
Still it seems Federal Reserve waited till Tuesday June 28th to conduct all operations for the month re treasuries. $25 billion.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Bronco
The markets seem to be focused on the fed funds action, but I think the balance sheet (i.e., sterilization of QE) is a bigger issue. Probably much bigger. Do those both at once, as Powell has promised, and it’s a prescription for a very bumpy ride.

Since 1979, we have been blessed by two outstanding Fed chairmen, Volcker and Greenspan. Now, they’re human beings so on their very best days they got it three-quarters right, but it was enough. Bernanke was quite a figure. Did what had to be done, but I fault him for not sterilizing QE. Now we have Powell, who doesn’t appear to know what he’s doing, and Janet Yellen, a Treasury secretary who’s qualified to do nothing more important than wait tables.

The next year or so is going to be quite a ride. I say a year, but it’s going to last longer. But the die will be cast in the next year. God help us all.

Bronco
Bronco
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Greenspan was duplicitous.
During the Clinton years he rarely visited the White House … and kept government spending (more or less) in check. Once W became POTUS he was FREQUENT visitor to White House … and gave his (Pope) blessing to tax cuts. Paving the way for passage.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Bronco
Republicans reflexively like tax cuts. Prior to Biden, I thought that W was one of the three worst presidents in American history, the others being Buchanan and Pierce. I was (and still am) especially critical of the combination of tax cuts and going to war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Irresponsible ans stupid in more ways than one, and incredibly destructive.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Bronco
I respected Greenspan for a couple reasons. First off, if you knew Fed-speak, he didn’t surprise anyone. (I’m sure there are counterexamples, but the exceptions prove the rule there.) Secondly, he was crystal clear on the 2% inflation target, and guided Fed policy towards it, and succeeded. After the trauma that started with LBJ’s “guns and butter” and wasn’t truly extinguished until the early 1990s (or so), and as someone who lived through those times, I regarded it then and now as a signature achievement.

Whether he hung out with the right or wrong presidents matters little to me by comparison. No one’s perfect. We are human beings, and we will screw it up. That said, on the Fed’s core mission, I give both Volcker and Greenspan A+ grades.

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Indeterminate chaos will continue considerable longer than one year.

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