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The Art of the Build Back Better Deal, Democrat Style

In Search of a Deal

Biden said a proposal to provide 12 weeks of paid leave for new parents and caregivers had been reduced to four weeks. He said a plan to expand Medicare to include coverage for dental, vision and hearing was a “reach” because of opposition in part from centrist Sens. Joe Manchin (D., W.Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema (D., Ariz.) but floated a potential $800 voucher to cover dental work. He confirmed that a tuition-free community college plan—a longtime priority for him and first lady Jill Biden—had been pulled because of a lack of support but that he hopes to increase Pell grant payments.

Behind the scenes, Mr. Biden told lawmakers Tuesday that Mr. Manchin’s opposition to a clean energy program, a key part of the bill’s climate change provisions, meant it would need to be scrapped. And he noted that Ms. Sinema had opposed raising tax rates on the wealthy and corporations, something he disclosed during the televised town hall.

Mr. Manchin is meeting in Delaware Sunday morning with Mr. Biden and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.), according to people familiar with the meeting. “These negotiations are—how do you thread the needle here?” said Louisa Terrell, the White House director of legislative affairs.

In the House, some Democrats want Mr. Biden to make fewer compromises with the two senators. “They need to continue to push this Congress, our colleagues in the Senate,” said Rep. Steven Horsford (D., Nev.), who spoke with Vice President Kamala Harris about it when she was in Las Vegas on Monday.

Mr. Horsford said he has urged Mr. Biden to resist Mr. Manchin’s push to add a work requirement and lower the income thresholds for the child tax credit, which according to the latest proposal would be extended at current levels for one more year instead of four. Mr. Biden said in the CNN town hall that he would oppose the work requirement on the child tax credit.

Two is More Important Than 100  

Progressives just cannot seem to come to grips that in terms of compromise that 2 in the Senate is more important than 100 Progressives in the House.

Without Manchin and Sinema in the Senate there is no deal at all. If the House insists on goals that Biden has dropped there will be no deal at all. 

That is what I hope for. No deal is the best deal. 

Fewer Programs For Longer or More For Shorter?

Recall that Manchin insists on a $1.5 trillion package and for fewer ideas of longer duration rather than a larger number of ideas for a shorter duration.

Their idea is that once funded, the programs will never go away. That was my fear and it is Manchin’s fear as well.

Upon reflection, I would rather see more more ideas of shorter duration, something the Progressive want.

If the funding is immediate and and ends in 2-3 years, Republicans can let time expire on the programs if they can win either the House or the Senate in the Midterms. 

Since that is now my baseline scenario, give the Progressives what they want, more programs, provided they benefits start now and there is a cliff before the next presidential election. 

The start date is important, however. Programs that start later rather than sooner may be harder to kill as the makeup of a further distant Congress is harder to see.

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KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
$2 trillion sounds about right. The amount where both sides can declare victory.
Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Back from Escalante
oee
oee
4 years ago
Fine, still $ 2 Trillion for 10 years is more than $ 2 Trillion the Rethugs would have ever passed. Also, Carter, Clinton, BHO would have never countenanced these programs. They were  about austerity. 
Also, you do not mention the BIF which Trump could never do. Biden/Harris will  do so. 
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Speaking of Build Back Better, has anyone purchased a Hunter Biden painting yet? If you want to get a share of the Build Back Better ‘trough’, you really should buy something. Even buying one of the paint-by-numbers masterpieces for $75K should be good for government contracts in the tens of millions.
tbergerson
tbergerson
4 years ago
The GOP is toothless and useless.  Once something is enacted it will only grow.  Repubnicants will never kill anything.   The only hope is that they fail to get a bill at all.  All of this is useless pandering anyway.  It is just more spending for the sake of spending.  None of what either party is selling is going to get at the root of any problem.
Bronco
Bronco
4 years ago
Reply to  tbergerson
You are correct.
 Republican vs Democrats is just a sideshow to distract the masses.
It is the Haves vs the Have Nots.
Bronco
Bronco
4 years ago
“Reality is setting in.”
Yes.  Manchin will stall until Virginia governor’s race next week.  The Ds are pulling out all the stops (Biden and Obama campaigning along with sizable $$s advantage) to save McAuliffe’s neck.  If Youngkin can manage to win 
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  Bronco
I think McAuliffe will win by about 4 points.  Note that I am no fan of corporate D-crats, and he is one of the most prominent of them.
LCP
LCP
4 years ago
I’m still pessimistic. We are now run by a circus of clowns and loons, every type of mentally ill person is now running the country.
ed_retired_actuary
ed_retired_actuary
4 years ago
Reply to  LCP
Some political  and human relationship skill is required to get elected.  Only basic literacy is required to post here
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
“If the funding is immediate and and ends in 2-3 years, Republicans can let time expire on the programs if they can win either the House or the Senate in the Midterms. “

Great.  Let them try running on increasing the taxes on the middle-class, and taking away Medicare dental/vision/hearing benefits from the seniors.   

Finally, the Two Santa Claus theory would begin to work against the Republicans.    Sounds good!

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
I have no idea why we’d ever give seniors dental, vision and hearing benefits. Those are the exact people who will absolutely be using them in spades but at the end of their life so the money spent on them is wasted prolonging the inevitable.
Those benefits belong on the young (kids, students etc) who are about to become productive members of society.
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
The Republicans would need more brainy people like you!    This is a great way to win elections – by denying your voters the most basic things in life, even as trillions are spent on foreign wars and giveaways to health insurance and pharma and military corporations.  
Business Man
Business Man
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
While I assert not position on the comment you are responding to, no one is “denying” any voters the most basic things in life.
The fact that you have subconsciously (I presume) stated that the only way for “voters” to get basic things is for the government to provide those things to them reveals your entire worldview.  It is also the same worldview that is destroying our economy, and what made America great for all these years.
I’m all for a basic safety net for certain disabled people.  But we have gone from a safety “net” to an all-encompassing nanny state that will take care of every one of your needs and desires, without ever asking you to prioritize anything at all.
This will not last, and then the people who truly have need will have nothing.
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  Business Man
What has destroyed our economy is 40 years of Reaganism, implemented both by R and D administrations (even more enthusiastically and effectively by the latter, I might add).   Prior to that, we had a working social democracy, a Main Street capitalist economy, if you will.    Once it turned into a Wall Street capitalist economy post-1980, we started going down the tubes and we still are now.
Business Man
Business Man
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
So the ’70’s were awesome?  How about the ’30’s?
I see this attack on “Reaganism” here from time to time.  But I don’t really know what that is.
What exactly is “Reaganism” and what about it is destroying our economy?  I’m not challenging your view just yet, as I might actually agree with some of your points on this one.  But I’m curious what you believe it is, first.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
By the same logic, why give seniors Medicare? Seniors are constantly sick, with only a few years remaining, and most have little to offer society in their later years. Similarly, social security is wasted on them. IN fact, why keep them alive after their productive lives end. If they haven’t saved enough to live on, too bad.
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
If the Republicans had their way, all retiring people who don’t have an adequate amount of money in their 401(k)s and IRAs will get a cyanide pill in their retirement card on their last day at the office!
Bronco
Bronco
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
” and taking away Medicare dental/vision/hearing benefits from the seniors. “
Per the article above it is Manchin who is opposed.  If Manchin gets his way, the Rs won’t have to do anything, since it won’t be enacted from get go.  Frankly, these posts by Mish are pointless.  Whatever the current front runner bill will see multiple modifications before votes ever cast.  Mish should  wait till a bill presented to Congress.
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  Bronco
Yes, I agree that until the bill is passed, we can’t be sure what’s in it or not in it.   But the latest is that the Medicare expansion from 65+ to 60+ is out, and at least 1/more of the dental/vision/hearing benefits are in.   
Irondoor
Irondoor
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
“We have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it”. A direct quote from Pelosi re the Obamacare bill. They passed it, a few thousand pages. Do you or anyone else know what’s in it? Nope, only a few bureaucrats.
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  Irondoor
Obamacare is a Republican healthcare scam concocted by the right-wing Heritage Foundation during the 1990s.  
I have worked to get people enroll into health insurance and I am fully aware of how mind-numbingly crazy and more importantly, how cruel, our crazy quilt of a health insurance system is.   And Obamacare is yet another patch in that quilt.   If you want to talk to fans of Obamacare, you picked the wrong person here!
Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Headed out hiking
Back this evening. Autumn is the busiest time for me when it comes to photography.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Enjoy. I’m jealous.
ajc1970
ajc1970
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Hope you enjoyed your hike.  Sounds like a good time.

My 2 oldest boys beat on me a bit today, but I had a chance to rest underneath my sleeping youngest daughter for a couple hours.
Haven’t hiked since I only had a single child 🙂

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