80 Percent of Mariupol Destroyed by Hundreds of Missiles, Ukrainians Flee

Russian Forces Push to Take Port City of Mariupol

The Wall Street Journal reports Ukrainians Flee Mariupol as Russian Forces Push to Take Port City

That is a not paywalled link courtesy of the WSJ. Here are a few snips.

The bombardment of the city of between 350,000 to 400,000 residents was growing heavier and closer by the day. Local officials say Russia has rained 50 to 100 bombs a day on Mariupol, destroying between 80% and 90% of the city. Ukraine rejected a Russian ultimatum to surrender the city this week.

Russian attacks flattened a maternity hospital in the city earlier this month. Attacks on a theater and an art school trapped hundreds of people sheltering there from the fighting, local officials have said. The total number of fatalities at the site remains uncertain.

As residents realized they were being encircled, panic set in. Store shelves emptied. Bread grew scarce. Desperate residents broke into supermarkets to get food and take anything else they could carry home. At first, security forces tried to stop them, but soon gave up trying to maintain law and order, and even helped distribute food from looted shops.

 “The reality is that right now the humanitarian system is entirely broken down,” said Steve Gordon, response adviser for the global humanitarian aid group Mercy Corps. “We are not seeing a high-functioning, coordinated international aid effort covering the whole of Ukraine like we often see in other conflict zones.”

Nikolay Osychenko, head of the local Mariupol television station, said the fight for the city would likely last for months longer now that it has reached the streets. Ukrainian fighters, he said, will be difficult to dislodge after digging in around the nearby Azovstal metal plant, which has already been struck by Russia.

“The people defending Mariupol know every last street and building of that city, and it will fight to the last,” he said. “Unfortunately, many, many civilians will die while this fighting happens.”

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CristiC
CristiC
2 years ago
This WSJ is full of Ukrainian lies. You can check this video that shows about 10 blocks being damaged where there were fights with the nazis from Azov about which even UN reported that are guilty of war crimes in Donbas. Nazis were hiding in the civilians buildings and set firing points in those buildings.
Christoball
Christoball
2 years ago
Reply to  CristiC
It is not about destroying housing. These buildings represent high ground in Urban warfare. These videos say a lot about strategic buildings used as strongholds and why battles are so intense to gain them. I believe these are training films, and are set only a few hundred miles away from Mariupol.
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
We can continue to supply Ukraine with armaments, but we can only supply as much as they can use. Seems at some point there won’t be enough people left in Ukraine to provide an effective opposition force.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Mea Culpa. My comment was not deleted. Apparently my temporarily missing comment and its replies was missing due to some artifact of the blogging software. Short fuses in dangerous times. “May we all have a better day.”
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Perhaps if I limit my comment to “Wars are hard on cities and their populations.” My initial comment ending in that sentence (but containing reference to U.S. operations) and all its replies was deleted. Sadly, now America has censorship about this war similar to Russia.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Public Expresses Mixed Views of U.S. Response to Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine
35% favor U.S. military action even if it risks nuclear conflict with Russia
PEW Research
March 15, 2022
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Can’t find any poll data on the percentage of Americans finding nuclear detonations on American soil an acceptable response to U.S. military action.
bobcalderone
bobcalderone
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Sounds like 35% of the US population needs to extract their craniums from their rectums
Esclaro
Esclaro
2 years ago
Another day of adding Putin apologists and Russian bots to the ignore list!
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Esclaro
How long have you been a Putin apologist?
ILHawk
ILHawk
2 years ago
Ukraine is not currently winning the war. Soon, Kyiv will be surrounded on both sides with dug in artillery that can strike the city center. Borispyl Airport likely will soon be under Russian control. Cherniv NE of Ukraine is toast and surrounded. Sumy will soon be surrounded. Kharkiv is holding a line and obviously not all in the city.
Most of the better Russian troops are in the south and making gains. Unless Russia folds (they are winning at a high cost), Most of the UA armed forces will be surrounded on 3 sides in the heartland ag area east of the Dnipro River which looks like a like. Russia now has control of most natural resource areas. Grain cannot be shipped.
GodfreeRoberts
GodfreeRoberts
2 years ago
We have no trustworthy information about conditions in Mariupol, nor of the damage to it.
We do know that Russia has taken casualties rather than attack civilian targets. Most of Ukraine is operating normally. Trams have never stopped running in Kiev, for example.
We also know that Ukrainian authorities always lie about everything. Always.
One (long anticipated) outcome of this war will be the replacement of the toxic dollar by a new reserve/settlement currency. It will be announced in 10 days, assuming the conflict is largely over.
It’s a development of Keynes’ bancor called Special Drawing Rights.
Dynamically valued against a basket of currencies and globally traded commodities, it is stable and far more immune to manipulation than the US$.
It has been trialled for years within and between China, Russia, Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and, probably, Iran. All central banks currently use it, as do the IMF and World Bank.
My guess is that anyone can join, so long as they’re friendly to China, Russia, Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Iran.
Kickoff is April 1.
Mark you calendar, and listen for our deafeningly silent media.
ILHawk
ILHawk
2 years ago
Reply to  GodfreeRoberts
Not sure where you are getting your info. I can tell you what refugees are saying not through media. Mariupol and now the east are hell holes for civilians. Ukrainian authorities always lie? Weapons of mass destruction anyone for 200?
CristiC
CristiC
2 years ago
Reply to  ILHawk
That is lie. Life is normal in Donetsk. Except for when the ukrainian nazis fire a rocket upon civilians.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  GodfreeRoberts
We know no such thing, russki.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  GodfreeRoberts
You’re delusional. Stop the drugs you are on immediately!
CristiC
CristiC
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
You lie again.
CristiC
CristiC
2 years ago
Reply to  GodfreeRoberts
Agreed 100% with your comment.
bobcalderone
bobcalderone
2 years ago
Reply to  GodfreeRoberts
Found Putin’s burner account
JRM
JRM
2 years ago
What a load of BS about the Maternity Ward. It was not attacked directly and was still standing upright.
The parking lot where the military hardware was stationed was destroyed.
Same thing with the MALL in Kiev, Ukraine military was on site!!!! Even NATO admits there was legitimate target there. Noticed it went from civilians dead to people dead!!!
Ukraine military have been training civilians indoors, so good chance they were using the mall as a training facility and storage facility.
Russian ships on the way to the Black Sea from Pacific Fleet.
Large train convoy leaving Siberia on their way to Ukraine.
Anybody that claims that the Russian plans was this and that, are in ONE WORD “Propagandist”!!!
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  JRM

Lol, pathetic propaganda!

CristiC
CristiC
2 years ago
Reply to  JRM
Great comment. That is the truth…. zardoz, jojo are a bunch of libtards liars.
bobcalderone
bobcalderone
2 years ago
Reply to  CristiC
You obviously never read Jojo’s comments…I disagree frequently with Jojo’s views (especially about COVID), but he’s (she’s?) the opposite of a “Libtard”
ILHawk
ILHawk
2 years ago
Mariupol is in part defended by AZOV Battalion which was incorporated into the Ukrainian Army. They are small in the overall Army. AZOV was the only effective fighting unit for Ukraine in 2014/2015. They were trained by the US including the 101st Airborne. They are NEO NAZI. They wear modified swastikas.
Jmurr
Jmurr
2 years ago
Reply to  ILHawk
And they have been keeping the residents as human shields and not letting them leave the city.
ILHawk
ILHawk
2 years ago
Reply to  Jmurr
Absolutely. To be clear, the FAR RIGHT is a small part of Ukraine.
caradoc-again
caradoc-again
2 years ago
Putins boys have taken a beating in the past 2 days. Surpringly badly supplied and poor morale on the ground. They have ground to a halt and having to rely on pounding with artillery but Ukrainian fighters waiting for Russian entry to cities for building-building encounters but Russian morale so poor they don’t have the stomach for the meat grinder.
Upper Russian ranks also taken a beating from snipers waiting for days until opportunities show themselves. Russian leaders having been identified as they moved up columns to see what the problems were, identified (amateurishly) by salute and insignia.
Unemployment back at home has risen about 1M in the past two weeks. The Russian economy will be on its knees within 3 months. EU says it now has enough gas and Germany negotiating with Qatar for LNG for future supply.
Putin will become even more erratic. Ranting about swallowing midges. Some civil servants have said they were ordered to attend a rally with flags as not enough citizens turned up and the TV needed to show support for Putin.
A brain drain also gaining steam.
He will need more recruits for the military but has a problem with finding enough youngsters, demographics having collapsed.
A dangerous situation for all but you can’t negotiate with Fascists.
JRM
JRM
2 years ago
Reply to  caradoc-again
Talk about Propaganda!!!
JRM
JRM
2 years ago
Reply to  caradoc-again
Also, means one side is responsible for civilian deaths in Ukraine, its the Ukrainian military, since they withdrew to the cities!!!!
When the US and the coalition of the willing target enemies in Iraq and Afghanistan, if civilians were killed “WE” blamed the insurgents and terrorist for the “COLLATERAL DAMAGE” for being among the civilian population..
Not a “WAR CRIME” when “WE” do it!!
But a “WAR CRIME” when countries we don’t like do it!!
Talk about a “DOUBLE STANDARD”!!!!
CristiC
CristiC
2 years ago
Reply to  caradoc-again
You comment is full of lies. Get lost. You have no proofs.
Democritus
Democritus
2 years ago
NATO is going to continue the fight, ’til the last Ukrainian!
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
2 years ago
Wait I thought putin was losing, disillusioned, bit off more than he could chew, broken supply chains blah blah blah? None of those things are true. The US fomented war with its puppet state Ukraine, it got war. And this war is unwinnable for the west since it was ill-conceived from the start. On the one hand the west says attack putin because he will never use his nukes. On the other hand, he hasn’t bluffed about one thing yet and so there is a good chance he is not bluffing about using nukes if ganged up on. I personally have no stake in ukraine. It is just a place where American elite can go do illegal things outside the country. It is their playground for globalist fun (Generally meaning pedo, drugs, and other degenerate behavior).
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
Russia Will Remake Itself. But It Has to Crumble First.
March 20, 2022
By Varia Bortsova – Ms. Bortsova is the founder of Soviet Visuals, an online archive of images from across the former U.S.S.R.
When the first McDonald’s restaurant appeared in the Soviet Union in 1990, my parents bundled my 9-month-old sister up and waited in line for hours in the brisk Russian winter so that they could get their first taste of a Big Mac and those famed French fries. The line snaked all around Moscow’s iconic Pushkin Square: Reports say that 30,000 people showed up on opening day alone.
It was a very exciting moment, my parents tell me: the first taste of liberty, a glimpse of what eating out could be like beyond the Iron Curtain, a symbol of bigger change to come.
Less than two years later, the U.S.S.R. ceased to exist, opening the door to all kinds of democratic freedoms. The Russia I grew up in came with dubbed Disney cartoons and Argentine soap operas. Everyone suddenly had a crush on Leonardo DiCaprio. My mom’s new eye-shadow palette encompassed every shade of neon. I went to concerts, bought posters and cassette tapes and, unlike my parents, did not have to wear a five-pointed-star badge with a portrait of Vladimir Lenin on my chest every day at school.
Of course, there was an insidious side. With new freedoms came new challenges: a deep economic crisis and a sharp rise in inequality, an explosion of organized crime. After decades in which the state dictated nearly every decision for its subjects, from housing to place of work to taste in movies and music, the new era also brought with it uncertainty and chaos.
Still, I felt lucky to grow up in a vibrant, thriving society; I certainly didn’t want to go back to Soviet times. The stories my family told me were bleak.
….
hmk
hmk
2 years ago
Please read the article, it explains in detail the propaganda being fed to the american sheep as a pretense for WW3. Zelensky needs to be hung for betraying and destroying his country.
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
2 years ago
Reply to  hmk
There IS an onslaught of propaganda alright, on all sides. But even this libertarian site doesn’t get at the deepest reason why empires seemingly must go to war, namely the current monopolistic monetary paradigm of Debt Only as the sole form and ve4hicle for the creation and distribution of money. Economies are permanently unstable with the current paradigm and so must grab the resources of neighboring areas in order to (futilely) attempt to maintain stability. Change the monetary paradigm, transform economies and chnge the world.
hmk
hmk
2 years ago
Write a thankyou note to our fed.
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
2 years ago
Reply to  hmk
That would be a good purgative, yes. But what is really needed is a mass movement communicating the benefits of policies aligned with the new monetary paradigm that would make the money system serve the individual and all economic agents instead of making them serve the system under the present paradigm of Debt Only.
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
2 years ago
What we’re seeing is a preview of the resource wars inevitably coming as debt and unconsciousness of the new monetary paradigm overwhelms economies everywhere.
FlyNavy1
FlyNavy1
2 years ago
That’s deep man.
bobcalderone
bobcalderone
2 years ago
Reply to  hmk
Great article (as usual) by David Stockman! His reading of Ukrainian history is accurate; Catherine the Great purchased much of that territory from the Ottoman Empire in the 18th century.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Welcome to reality:
———–
Axios:
What to watch: Russia’s exhausted and depleted forces will need to be reinforced and resupplied, perhaps during an operational pause or even a temporary ceasefire, Kofman says.
• A pro-Kremlin tabloid Monday published and then deleted what it said was a Defense Ministry assessment that 9,861 Russian troops had been killed and 16,153 wounded, while 96 planes and 118 helicopters had been lost — staggering numbers that have not been officially confirmed.
• Russia has additional forces and weaponry at its disposal, but “the best of the Russian military has already gone into this war,” Kofman says.
and
Russian troops cut off in devastating blow to Putin – major railway supply lines sabotaged
RUSSIAN TROOPS have been cut off in the “largest act of sabotage” since the war began, as railway lines providing Vladimir Putin’s forces with much-needed equipment and food are destroyed.
00:00, Mon, Mar 21, 2022 | UPDATED: 10:37, Mon, Mar 21, 2022
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
We are getting ready to enter this war full time.
———
‘The only thing Putin understands is strength’: US aircraft carrier flexes muscle in the Med
With Russian ships and submarines patrolling the Mediterranean, the USS Truman teams up with French and Italian carriers.
March 22, 2022 4:06 am
NORTHERN IONIAN SEA — The flight deck of the aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman was covered with jet engine gas vapor as F-18 Super Hornets rocketed into the sky one after the other. Watching takeoffs and landings at close quarters “is one of the most dangerous things you will ever do,” claimed my minder, an officer with 28 years of experience in the Navy.
In the sound and fury of the flight deck, this didn’t feel like hyperbole: The experience was jarring. Despite ear-defenders, the growl of the throttle from an aircraft that travels at 1.8 times the speed of sound makes your chest cage rattle and your heart race. More than once we were yelled at with drill-sergeant intensity to “GET BEHIND THE LINE!” as aircraft constantly taxied, took off and landed around us. Welcome to the danger zone.
While the high tempo was business as usual for the crew of the USS Truman, the backdrop, both geographically and politically, was not: Accustomed to the Pacific Ocean and the seas of the Middle East, the USS Truman’s strike group are now in the northern Ionian Sea, its fighter jets and radar planes patrolling NATO’s eastern borders and looking east, to a Ukraine now under invasion from Russian armed forces.
Since the invasion almost a month ago, these jets have flown more than 75 patrol missions across NATO’s eastern flank up to the Ukraine border, from the Truman. The so-called Enhanced Air Policing mission is part of NATO’s Assurance Measures introduced in 2014, after Russia’s illegal annexation of the Crimean peninsula, and is aimed at defending NATO airspace, preventing incursions by Russians.
Dutoit
Dutoit
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
“The 3M22 Zircon[14] also spelled as 3M22 Tsirkon (Russian: Циркон, NATO reporting name: SS-N-33)[15] is a scramjet powered maneuvering anti-ship hypersonic cruise missile currently in production by Russia”
the aircraft carriers are good only to hit underdeveloped countries, against developed countries they are targets.
For planes it is the same, you are used in US to wars where planes can destroy the enemy without any risk.
Against Russia the S-400 and S-500 can harm your last F35 (and did cost probably 100 times less).
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
“We are getting ready to enter this war full time.”
How long until the Nukes start flying?
Webej
Webej
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Super hornets travelling 1.8 Mach
So not F35s travelling at subsonic speeds to save their skins?
Have these carriers ever warded off a volley of Zircons?
Webej
Webej
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
The only thing the US understands is strength.
That is why they are avoiding military confrontation!
Dutoit
Dutoit
2 years ago
Is WSJ reliable ? Where do their “informations” come from ? Obviouly from the ukrainian side. From the other side
caradoc-again
caradoc-again
2 years ago
It’s flushing out all the Putin-Russia supporters so we get to see the real neo-Nazis both the left and right can unite against. It might bring people together to purge or shun these a-holes. Expose them. Posters, bloggers, apologists. Nazis one and all. Only one place for these people when they meet the Almighty, with Hitler and his crew.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  caradoc-again
The Azov Battalian are neo-nazis. Are you united against them?
caradoc-again
caradoc-again
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Yes, but they are a small faction, not on Russian territory, and obliterating entire populations is not excused. Don’t be an apologist for what is taking place. It might end up a stain on your soul.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  caradoc-again
John McCain was not in Ukraine on vacation. He was meddling in Ukraine. What has he wrought?
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  caradoc-again
…..A small faction ??? There are millions of them and those old school Russia hating fn racist NAZIS are running this fn war, supported by the fn US of A….. something to be fn proud of indeed !!
dguillor
dguillor
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
The way Russia is governed is the definition of fascism.
ILHawk
ILHawk
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Oh, please. Svoboda and Right Sector number maybe 25,000 with some overlap. That would be like 160,000 in the US which there could be. The ONLY reason they are a major force is pro west politics needed to build a coalition. AZOV is the biggest militia and yes they are NAZI and number at best 2,500 fighters and likely under 1,000. Ruthless, yes. The only ones ready for 2014 Russian aggression? Yes. Trained by the US 101st Airborne? Yes. Using human shields? Yes. They are not representative of Ukraine. Does Ukraine have massive corruption? Yes and that tied to Russia is the worst. Should the US keep vice presidents from putting family members on corporate boards in sensitive areas? Yes. Does US have corruption? Yes.
Have you been to Ukraine? Just try and be serious.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
2 years ago
Reply to  caradoc-again
i’ve been keeping a dossier on all my family and friends for decades. to be used as currency with the amerikan gestapo if i need ever need it. you are on the right track, mein liebling.
Carl_R
Carl_R
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
There are some neo-nazis in the US as well. Should Russia invade to eliminate them? In fact, there are probably at least a few neo-nazis in every country on earth. Should they all be invaded? Wait. I bet there are some neo-Nazis in Russia as well. I guess they should start by invading themselves.
Frankly, the idea that because a country has some neo-nazis, it’s OK to invade and to massacre all of their citizens is the most bizarre thing I have ever read.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
“Frankly, the idea that because a country has some neo-nazis, it’s OK to
invade and to massacre all of their citizens is the most bizarre thing I
have ever read.”
You have a vivid imagination to pretend that is what i am saying.
Webej
Webej
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
The US does not have KKK brigades & units in full regalia as part of its armed forces
grazzt
grazzt
2 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
No, maybe Russia can just put up some drones like the US and simply bomb every ‘terrorist’ regardless of where they are or how many civilians get caught up in the cross-fire.
BTW, it was no issue to invade and massacre civilians for the US and NATO in Afghanistan, Libya and Syria. US and UK in Iraq. US in Somalia. Didn’t the US and NATO bomb Serbia for 78 straight days, utilizing 15 tonnes of depleted uranium in bombs and shells, simply to setup the NATO carve out of Kosovo? (where the US has its largest military base in Europe, Camp Bondsteel)
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  grazzt
Water over the dam.
caradoc-again
caradoc-again
2 years ago
Hitlers playbook.
Fascism in tooth and claw.
Anyone acting as an apologist for him and his mafia is no better than a card carrying Nazi.
He won’t stop at Ukraine.
WWIII has started, this is just the first page of the first chapter.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  caradoc-again
The apologist routine. Did you know that there are neo-Nazis in Ukraine? Are you an apologist for them?
caradoc-again
caradoc-again
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
No, but obliterating entire populations to address a small faction that are not on Russian soil is not excused. There is no excuse for this, none. Do you really think what is taking place is acceptable? God help you.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  caradoc-again
Do you know what has been going on in secret for however many years? Is that acceptable to you if that has lead to what is happening now?
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
2 years ago
Reply to  caradoc-again
It’s war. People are supposed to be obliterated.
If Ukraine wants to stop the civilian population being killed and buildings destroyed they have 2 ways to do it:
1) Surrender
2) Meet the Russian army in the field instead of hiding in cities and using civilians as human shields.
caradoc-again
caradoc-again
2 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
TT65, you are a stooge.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
[ROFLOL]
FlyNavy1
FlyNavy1
2 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Don’t reproduce.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Russia is doing one hell of a good job after at least 10 years of fn patient admirable yet futile diplomacy ! …..what exactly did the US expect? ….Russia is not fn Iraq in case you thought so…..Wonder what teleprompted bull sh t Joe Brandon gonna reveal in Brussels when he arrives there with 20 fn planes and 50 armoured cars, a fn textbook example of megalomia by a diapered utterly clue- and worthless deep state puppet !
caradoc-again
caradoc-again
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Be careful who you throw your hat in the ring with. Seriously, our freedoms were hard won and will be lessened even further if the world bows to the likes of Putin.
Mr. Purple
Mr. Purple
2 years ago
In related news, the US Treasury has accepted another $66M interest payment from Russia. In $US. Frozen assets indeed!
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Purple
Wouldn’t want the bond holders to miss their payments or trigger a default 🙂
Mr. Purple
Mr. Purple
2 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Guess we know where the limits are now.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Purple
Fn PITY that, unlike western nations, Russia has hardly got any debt, would have brought the fn financial system on its fn knees ….well the west, EU in particular, IS actually on its knees, it is just that because of printing capacity, for the time being bein anyway, reality hasn t seeped through yet, that both leggs and part of the empty skull have been blown off, just because of basket case Nazi US puppet Ukraine ! More sanctions on Russia ! …..and China too for that matter ….and Mexico …..and India… and many asian countries showing their middle finger ! LOL ….THE PARTY IS OVER !
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
2 years ago
The fleeing masses of civilians is going to continue into Europe until they finally figure out they can’t handle 3-10 million refugees. At that point they’ll stop supplying Ukraine with weapons and the war will end. Russia is doing exactly what they should be doing. Gradually choking off food/energy etc from the local populace until they surrender all while raining down destruction.
Sadly it means the citizens of Ukraine are going to be set back a decade or more when all the destruction and loss of lives is tallied up. In the end, Ukraine could have been spared all that if they just surrendered on day 1.
caradoc-again
caradoc-again
2 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Putin will have to pony up for a big repair bill.
They broke it, they pay. One way or another.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
2 years ago
Reply to  caradoc-again
The West will pay. The US especially loves reconstruction plans for war torn nations and Europeans won’t let the civilians suffer so they will pony up too.
Russia will only pay if they decide to keep a part of the country or support one of the break away regions.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Or perhaps if they want the sanctions against them to go away.
Webej
Webej
2 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
The weapons are unimportant, and there is no way to distribute them…
The only thing holding up the Russians is scale and avoiding civilian casualties.
Columbo
Columbo
2 years ago
Looking at that battle map, it does not look good for the Ukrainian side. But, they will fight to the last man/woman for what endgame? They should press for peace, if Russia is even interested, before Kiev is completely surrounded. That river next to the city has bought them time, they should use it wisely.
Carl_R
Carl_R
2 years ago
Reply to  Columbo
Keep in mind that most of those Russian gains were in the first day or two. Since then, the going has been slower for them, plus the Russian Army has been decimated (i.e., a loss of 1/10), and has supply issues. I have no idea what will happen from here, whether the Russians will start advancing again, having pulverized the Ukrainians with missles, or at the other extreme, the Russians, having great losses and no supplies, will pull back, or something in between.
Columbo
Columbo
2 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
Fair enough, will see what happens.
ILHawk
ILHawk
2 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
Tell that to Kyiv residents now facing close in artillery being dug in as well as the mayor of Borispyl.
thimk
thimk
2 years ago
Russians are leaving Russia also . Russian v logger chronicles his exit .
Christoball
Christoball
2 years ago
Luke 14:
31 Or what king, going out to encounter another king in war, will not sit down first and deliberate whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? 32 And if not, while the other is yet a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks for terms of peace.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
How soon we forget Operation Vigilant Resolve and Operation Phantom Fury.
War can be hard on cities and their populations.
FrankieCarbone
FrankieCarbone
2 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
But we did the exact same thing, only worse, so it’s ok because we’re America.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  FrankieCarbone
Yes, now you are understanding. It’s because we have god on our side.
Bob Dylan – With God on Our Side (Live on BBC, 1964)
Democritus
Democritus
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
In a vague attempt to one-up you: “The right side won”
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Democritus
Ha! Never heard of this song before. Weird Reggae band where only the lead singer appears to be black.
But no, they didn’t beat Dylan. [lol]
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
“Gott Mit Uns”
It’s punchy, nice and short, and fits right on a belt buckle.
(For those a little slow, this does not translate as “Got Mittens.”)
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
love you Lisa….
Freebees2me
Freebees2me
2 years ago
As Prof. John Mearsheimer CORRECTLY PREDICTED in September 2015, US policy encouraging Ukraine to push towards the West (i.e., joining the EU and NATO) would eventually cause Putin to destroy Ukraine. This is no surprise. The US led the Ukraine down the primrose path to its destruction. Great job, warmongers! Caused more pain and hardship…
Take 45 mins and watch Prof. Mearsheimer accurate call -> link to youtu.be
You will completely understand the situation. He does about 30 mins of Q&A. So far, it’s got 22 million views
FrankieCarbone
FrankieCarbone
2 years ago
Reply to  Freebees2me
Thank you for being rational and not emotional.
Carl_R
Carl_R
2 years ago
Reply to  Freebees2me
And yet, lost in the whole discussion the the Ukrainian perspective. They have longed to be free of Russian domination since the days of Catherine the Great:
FlyNavy1
FlyNavy1
2 years ago
Reply to  Freebees2me
Putin invaded Ukraine for two primary reasons, 1) he realized Germany was beholden to him after going “Green” and eliminating its nuclear power production, while Biden approved Nordstream, and 2) he realizes he faces the weakest American president in modern history.
Naphtali
Naphtali
2 years ago
Reply to  FlyNavy1
And the most politically divided since time of slavery.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Freebees2me
How does this help anyone now?
DennisAOK
DennisAOK
2 years ago
More savagery from Putin, a stain on Russia forever.
StickToEconomics
StickToEconomics
2 years ago
Reply to  DennisAOK
More savagery from the neo-Nazis you mean.
Instead of sparing the city and the civilians they are fighting to the last man. Kiev told them to sacrifice themselves for the “greater good”. Nothing like having an amoral jackass lead your country from a different country.
Seriously how stupid do they think people are? Having the vice PM of Poland “visit Kiev” in the middle of an active warzone! Bahahahaahah. Give me a break. They staged the whole meeting on a private luxury train from Poland! What a bunch of saps the Ukrainians are.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
2 years ago
Well put. It’s easy for leaders who aren’t in battle or on the front lines to tell everyone else to fight to the last man no matter the cost. He’s essentially invoking Stalin WWII philosophy of “Not one step back” that led to 20 million Russians being killed.
It’s a clear sign that he’s not really fit to lead Ukraine. If he wants to battle Russia, order the army out into the field and take them on head to head. Yes, of course they will be destroyed but at least they won’t lose hundreds of thousands, if not millions of civilians and countless cities/buildings to useless destruction.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Yeah, they should run and hide like the Afghans did against the Taliban.
ILHawk
ILHawk
2 years ago
Kyiv told them at Mariupol? AZOV doesn’t need to be told. They are fighting for their NAZI lives as a small group that held Russia from greater gains in 2014. They are a small part of Ukraine. AZOV numbers are between 900 and 2500. Svoboda and Right Sector are no more than 25,000.
FrankieCarbone
FrankieCarbone
2 years ago
Reply to  DennisAOK
Can you say something with a bit of substance, such as explain to us the historical timeline of events that led to this? I’ll give you an easy out. Start from 1990. If you’re really informed then go back to before Katherine the Great. Otherwise, if you cannot do either, particularly the former, then what makes you think that you have the right to express any viewpoint on this as I would posit that being unable to address my challenge belies an ignorance that surely disqualifies you, particularly since I gave you the high school question of “Start after 1990”?
Patiently awaiting the ad hominem attack as your sole response although I would love to be pleasantly surprised and would willing express my impressions were wrong. BTW, the aforementioned challenge was not an attack on you but an opportunity for you to demonstrate that you actually understand the dynamics of this conflict and how the world got to where we are today.
Ga’ head. This should be interesting to say the least.
FrankieCarbone
FrankieCarbone
2 years ago
Reply to  FrankieCarbone
*CRICKETS*
Welcome to the Idiocracy.
Sincerely, Not Sure.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  DennisAOK
….have a look in the mirror…..I d suggest …
dbannist
dbannist
2 years ago
Mish, the title isn’t showing the city name. For some reason it’s showing only “80 Percent of Destroyed by Hundreds of Missiles, Ukrainians Flee”

I assume Mariupol was intended.

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