All those investors of the 1800s who lost their entire investments in the new thing, railroads. The equity was wiped out by bankrupcy and some of the debt was repaid. But guess what, the railroads are still there.
vanderlyn
1 year ago
great analysis and information mish. hat tip to you.
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
“The interest rate on Applesway’s loan had risen from 3.4% to around 8%, according to loan information obtained from data firm Trepp Inc. At least two of the properties were financed with about 80% debt, which is considered high leverage in commercial real estate.”
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Cap rates have been stupid low for far too long. Around me 5% to 6% the norm (still). Prices need to drop bigly … to get closer to 10% (8% or so OK if rock solid tenant … ie govt agency).
Present value is never far away, Great when interest rates (and cap rates) are dropping. Awful the other way. The closer rates are to zero, the bigger the impact. And the longer rates stay low, the dumber the investment decisions. So the readers get it, here’s a simple example
With a small apartment project yielding a net operating income (NOI) of $100k per year, the property is worth $2 million with a 5% cap rate. At an 8% cap rate, $1.25 million… Based on the $2 million valuation with 75% debt, equity is wiped out, and the bank stands to lose $250K in the event of default
Now, add in a reduction in NOI as vacancy rates increase. Note that Gross Income does not need to drop very far to have a big impact on NOI. It depends on fixed and variable costs. For the example, NOI drops to $75K. With the 8% cap rate, the value is $937K. The bank is down $513K. Next up, the bank run…
EXACTLY. saw so many wiped out last go around. i bought at 20% cap rates in phoenix in 2012. sold em last year. this stuff happens. just depends on the city and decade. this time prices of r/e jumped sky high everywhere. smells to me like the down draft will be worse than anything since 1930s.
IMHO, a lot of the current inertia (holding up the markets) is due to ‘ignorance’ as much as Fed dependency. It is the flip side of the irrational thinking that accepted negative real rates, and made investment decisions accordingly. The down draft will be worse than the 1930s–derivatives and faux debt will combine with politics, global climate nonsense, and China/Russia-US/EU confrontation.
Counter
1 year ago
They know
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
“Blackstone Group is negotiating with its lender over the debt on a portfolio of New York City apartment buildings.”
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Of course, that hasn’t stopped “investors”:
(Reuters) – Blackstone Inc said on Tuesday it had raised $30.4 billion for its latest global real estate fund, as the private equity behemoth looks to double down on the industry.
That’s the loan price. We don’t know how much they put down. But if it was an 80/20 (20 down, borrow 80) then it means the units are about 100K each. That seems right for Texas from what I remember when I lived there years ago in apartments like those when I was younger.
worleyeoe
1 year ago
Don’t worry, the Fed will backstop this and everything. It’s the new way of doing business, MMT style. They guy who punches the numbers into console to create all this free fiat money is going to be very busy. HA!
They’ll keep the banks afloat. If they bail out non-banks, it’s just a side effect of bailing out banks.
HippyDippy
1 year ago
There’s a whole lot of money being made because of their “bad” vision. Hard times created by the FED is just how they roll. History rhymes so well.
TexasTim65
1 year ago
The units didn’t really get wiped out (bulldozed) in the sense that no one can live there. So whomever is living there will continue to live there and there is no loss of housing supply.
All that happened was ownership transferred from weak hands to stronger hands.
Tenants have rights when stuff breaks so the lender will still have to live up to the lease agreements including maintenance. The other thing is if you let the rest of it go (ie stop mowing common area lawns, not replacing light bulbs in the parking lots etc) you run the risk of not getting renewals which will further depress the price of the property and reduce your rent revenue stream. I suspect the lender will maintain things in order to sell it as quickly as possible.
who knows. but hoods going slum like after foreclosure is a real thing. saw it in NYC and Phoenix in my first 62 years.
simb555
1 year ago
88 now and this rings a bell with me. In 1974 my family owned brownstones on the NYC west side. Conditions were like this them with real sky high rates people with cash as my family was then were doing OK. A friendof mine told me of a deal for a 25ftwide 5 story bldg on 55 st off 3 av on the east side that broke up because the buyersfinancing fell thru. the seller was desperate to sell and offered the bldg that was empty, for $275000 cash. My dad , the boss was so enamoored with his interest income turned it down. tis buiding today goes for about 10M. People were so scared then with big RE outfits like Uris bros and Zeckendoff going belly up. Its an old story, In hard times people with cash scoop up the bargains and ride up the next boom.
Some crazy stuff going on. I am waiting for my relatively healthy area (Raleigh-ish) to see if the blood starts flowing. Until then, I’ve got some cash … but am sitting on the sidelines.
“Blackstone negotiated a no-recourse loan on New York City apartments.
Who played the fool on the other end of that negotiated agreement?”