Will the Taliban Hold Up Their End of the Deal?
Here is the wrong question: Will the Taliban Hold Up Their End of the Deal?
The four-part agreement between the U.S. and the Taliban committed the U.S. to withdrawing most of its soldiers from Afghanistan, which it is doing. In exchange, the Taliban provided assurances that Afghanistan would no longer be used as a base from which to wage attacks against the U.S. and its allies. It also agreed to engage with the Afghan government.
But the promises made by the Taliban to meet those goals were vague and very difficult to verify.
Based on publicly available information, I find the Taliban has met only two of the seven conditions stipulated in its peace accord with the U.S.: releasing 1,000 Afghan prisoners and entering talks with the Afghan government.
Does It Matter?
Does it matter?
How long did North Vietnam hold up their end of the peace deal.
Does anyone even remember what the deal was? https://t.co/Un6hc3QhFY
— Mike “Mish” Shedlock (@MishGEA) September 14, 2020
Of course the Taliban will not honor the deal.
So what?
They will not honor it if we stay another 20 years and waste another $10 trillion in the process.
Right Questions
- Why are we still there?
- Why were we there in the first place?
- What did we accomplish?
The answer to #3 is nothing and if we stay another 20 years the answer will still be nothing.
Peace With Honor
In 1968, Nixon made this campaign pledge: “I pledge to you that we shall have an honorable end to the war in Vietnam.”
The US bickered over details with North Vietnam until January 23, 1973. US troops finally pulled out on March 29, 1973.
North Vietnam overran Saigon on April 30, 1975.
Paris Peace Accords
Please consider provisions of the Paris Peace Accords ending the Vietnam War.
Here are the two pertinent ones.
- A cease-fire in place in South Vietnam followed by precise delineations of communist and government zones of control.
- The establishment of a “National Council of National Reconciliation and Concord” composed of a communist, government, and neutralist side to implement democratic liberties and organize free elections in South Vietnam.
Debate over the Shape of the Table
The peace talks were delayed for months over the shape of the table.
- One of the largest hurdles to effective negotiation was the fact that North Vietnam and the National Front for the Liberation of South Vietnam (NLF, or Viet Cong) in the South, refused to recognize the government of South Vietnam; with equal persistence, the government in Saigon refused to acknowledge the legitimacy of the NLF.
- A similar debate concerned the shape of the table to be used at the conference. The North favored a circular table, in which all parties, including NLF representatives, would appear to be “equal”‘ in importance. The South Vietnamese argued that only a rectangular table was acceptable, for only a rectangle could show two distinct sides to the conflict. Eventually a compromise was reached, in which representatives of the northern and southern governments would sit at a circular table, with members representing all other parties sitting at individual square tables around them.
Declare Victory and Get Out
Please consider “Declare Victory and Get Out”?
In 1966, in the middle of the Vietnam War, the late Senator George Aiken of Vermont famously recommended that the United States simply “declare victory and get out.” With the benefit of hindsight, that seems like pretty good advice. Today, it is more or less what the Obama administration is trying to do in Afghanistan.
That article was written in 2012. We are still in Afghanistan pretending there is some mission of honor to accomplish and the Taliban will honor the deal.
Just Leave
No, the Taliban will not honor the deal.
I don’t really give a damn because we have no business there in the first place just as we had no business in Vietnam and numerous other places.
Mish
That is exactly right. Afghanistan had no more to do with 9/11 than Iraq did. It was planned, financed, and carried out by Saudi’s.
What did we accomplish?
The answer to #3 is nothing and if we stay another 20 years the answer will still be nothing.
Not quite Mish. The answer to that question depends on who you are.
As history shows us, what really matters in that part of the world, is opium production.
In that respect, we took Afghanistan from around 3’000 acres under cultivation in 2002 to, today, 240’000 acres under cultivation. These are “official figures” of course. Moreover, these figures account for an ostensible acute reduction in acreage during the past 2 years.
3 to 240 … that is a magnificent result…
Somebody did very well.
Great article Mish. There are always people who will give reasons why the U.S. can’t leave, but it is all based on the U.S. wanting to control the country it invaded after it leaves, which is as impossible as it is ridiculous. There is ALWAYS a reason for psychopath warmongers to stay longer in someone else’s country. Just say no and get out NOW.
Trump should pull out of Afghanistan completely apart from having an airbase there that is highly fortified and with some 10-20 fighter jets at the ready and tens more available quickly from other bases in Europe if needed and promising to bomb Taleban to smithereens if they attack the Afghan government and Trump should remove ALL ground troops.
This should be done BEFORE the election and allow Democrats to have their predictable NEOCON freakout and demand Trump keeps US troops in Afghanistan so Democrats would in essence run as the war party/Neocons frothing at the mouth for more war.
Trump should also withdraw US troops completely from Syria (the pact Syrian government and kurds made after Trump withdrew US troops from near the Turkey border and many parts of Syria leaving just some soldiers in the oilfields seems to be working that Syrian government and kurds made in about a week after Trump declared he would be withdrawing troops and then backtracked a bit after Democrats and Lindsey “warmonger” Graham and some other Republicans had a freakout) and cut the troop numbers in Iraq by -50% and leave Iraq also mostly leaving just the Greenzone and few airbases with a similar setup as I envision for Afghanistan.
The truth is that if USA withdraws from Afghanistan completely Taleban will over-run the current Afghan government Vietnam style and this will lead to millions of Afghans rushing through Iran to Turkey and try from there onward to Greece and from there further if possible and Merkel is acting crazy again and wanting to relocate asylum seekers from Greece to Germany and all around EU that have burned heir own asylum camps in Greek islands to protest being stuck there and this kind of flood would definitely make her do it and cause a new 2015 style nightmare for Greece and EU and Trump would get the blame for it.
U.S. Hegemony Could End In a Swarm of Cheap Chinese Missiles The warning signs have been apparent for a long time now. However, this budding challenge has been lost as America has taken on foes that have no ability to challenge U.S. military buildups or overseas operations, masking the problem. For example, the U.S. military invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, various so-called war on terror campaigns using drone technology, the military campaign against the Islamic State, various air strikes against Syria—all showcase a U.S. military whose deployments were unchallenged or utilized weapons platforms where defenders did not have the range to strike back.
Maybe its just me, but I don’t think one advances the cause of US hegemony* by using Syria and Afghanistan… link to theamericanconservative.com
The day the towers fell I knew the response was bound to be the absolute worst possible boondoggle anyone could ever imagine. But it exceeded my expectations.
I support leaving.
But, we should take in at least 200K Afghan refugees.
The Taliban bloodbath will be horrific.
I agree. That is the price of getting out at this point.
Absolutely NO afghan refugees should be taken by USA.
Leave an airbase with 10-20 fighter jets in Afghanistan and tens more available on short notice from other bases USA has in other countries and tell Taleban they will be bombed to smithereens if they attack the Afghanistan government.
Ground troops should be pulled because their use has been nothing but intentional killing and maiming of American soldiers during Obama/Biden’s 8 years with the totally stupid and incompetent “win hearts and minds” strategy of ordering US troops to walk around Afghan villages like sitting ducks ready to be shot, bombed or walked into booby-trapped houses by Taleban leading to THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of needless losses of lives and limbs by US troops.
Luckily Trump stopped that “win heats and minds” BS done by Obama/Biden so the deaths of US troops have collapsed under Trump in Afghanistan and also in Iraq where Obama/Biden admin ordered the same totally idiotic “win hearts and minds” strategy of US troops walking around villages for 8 years like sitting ducks ready to be killed and bombed and booby-trapped by Iraqi militias and terrorists.
Obama even allowed Iran to pay bounties to Iran-controlled and armed shia-militias in Iraq for every American soldier killed by them and did NOTHING other than give Iran a sweetheart deal that would in the end lead to Iran having a nuclear bomb because the limitations all had sunset clauses in them.
Trump killed the architect and leader of Iran’s bounty program General Soleimani with a missile and Democrats screeched and later somebody wanting FOREVER war in US intelligence/Pentagon invented the claim that Putin is paying bounties for dead Americans in Afghanistan to make sure USA stays in Afghanistan based on Afghan troops finding 500k US dollars in one house without any corroborating info.
Those 500k were most likely from the opium fields Taleban is growing and somehow that turns to heroin and ends up in Europe and USA so most likely somebody in CIA/Military sent that money there as payment for opium/heroin bought from the Taleban and then sent to USA Frank Lucas style or dropped off at the German base for European market with Germany having a huge drug problem with drug zombies in the streets and heroin use at a very high level.
There is one famous dude who lost all his limbs (all hands and feet) in just such a mission to “win hearts and minds” when US troops were walking around a village and entered a booby-trapped house just like their idiotic military leaders ordered them to go through villages door to door and he is famous because he did not commit suicide like so many others that had the same fate after they were practically sacrificed by Obama/Biden for some Politically correct BS that only group of totally incompetent liberal/Democrats could come up with.
Dude has had many Social media updates about his rehabilitation and has some prosthetics and has most other soldiers who had the same fate following him and even found a good woman who loves him and married him after his fiancee and high school sweetheart (or maybe even a wife) left him after he was maimed by Obama/Biden’s idiotic “win hearts and minds” strategy.
If there was Karma both Obama and Biden would lose a few limbs after what they did to thousands and thousands US soldiers totally intentionally and kept the “win hearts and minds” strategy going despite massive deaths and maimings of US soldiers.
There was a quote popular after the Vietnam War (which I can’t find) –
“The worst dressed army always wins. “
I’m sure that in addition to Vietnam, the speaker was also thinking about the American Revolution.
That quote applies to the Finland-Soviet Union Winter war also.
The russian and ukrainian Soviet Union soldiers attacking Finland had nice clothes on and the Finnish army had no money and no supplies so many fought just with their regular clothes and only got white overalls to blend them into the snow and killed 150k-200k Soviet Union soldiers and wounded 200k Soviet union soldiers while losing only 25k finnish soldiers and having 50k wounded soldiers and Soviet Union left their dead soldiers just to rot in the woods and Finland took every dead Finn from the battleground they could to be buried in their home town to special heroes graveyards that were built in front of every church in the best place in the graveyard that surrounds most Finnish churches.
Many of the arms Finland’s army had were just hunting rifles finns had brought when joining the army and Finland got better guns and tanks and machine guns and ammo from the Soviet union soldiers they had killed or captured.
This result by Finland led to Soviet Union wanting to make peace despite Stalin having planned to take over whole Finland and demanding just some areas of land which the Finns gave up because there was no help coming from anywhere and these numbers probably led to crazed meth addict Hitler over-estimating his own well-dressed army and attacking Soviet Union a little bit later and again that theory held because even though Soviet Union soldiers were well-dressed compared to Finns the German army was well-dressed compared to Soviet union soldiers.
The argument that you deprive the terrorists of territory they can use to finance, train and organize makes a lot o sense to me
Oh, but a lot HAS been accomplished in the War on Terror:
The opium export increased 20× after the Americans showed up. The situation has basically been the same for about 20 years. Perhaps that means the situation is exactly as those writing the reports and recommendations want it to be.
Actually Somalia is NO longer a failed state and has split into three parts:
Northern Somalia:Somaliland
Central Somalia: Puntland
Southern Somalia:Somalia
Somaliland has been peaceful for years and almost all European countries have rejected asylum applications from somalis coming from there since early 2000’s
Puntland has been peaceful for years and most European countries have rejected asylum applications from somalis coming from there since late 2000’s
Southern Somalia aka Somalia still has small pockets of Al-shabaab terrorists lurking around but capital Mogadishu has been peaceful since early 2010’s with some African Union troops helping the government out and Al-Shabaab has been beaten in most parts of Southern Somalia.
Sweden started rejecting asylum applications from somalis coming from Southern Somalia and Mogadishu in early 2010’s and this was confirmed as totally legitimate decision by the European Court of Human Rights in 2013 in the K.A.B. v Sweden decision and after that some European countries have still continued acting incredibly stupidly since their asylum/immigration bureaucracies are run by leftists/do-gooders and accepting all asylum seekers coming from Somalia but many European countries reject most applications from Somalia with Denmark rejecting about 90% and Sweden rejecting over 70% of asylum seekers from Somalia.
It is incomprehensible why Obama continued accepting large numbers of somali asylum seekers to USA as refugees from Somalia’s neighboring countries refugee camps after 2013 because State Department must have known about the European Court of Human Rights decision K.A.B. v Sweden from 2013 and about the fact that many somalis were voluntarily returning to Somalia from neighboring countries refugee camps since early 2010’s.
It is like Obama had an obsession to get as many somalis to USA and Minnesota as possible to get some new Democrat voters into Minnesota which resulted in Illhan Omar being selected by Democrats as a candidate and then elected despite her committing immigration fraud and marrying her brother to get him to USA which should have been noticed in any background check since it has now become public knowledge but the somalis who revealed this fact publicly are now getting death threats from other somalis and no authorities are looking into the issue despite Trump being president.
According to US laws both Illhan Omar and her ex-husband/brother could be stripped of their US citizenship but since US authorities are doing NOTHING about clear fraud with witnesses coming forward it seems political correctness rules and authorities are afraid of being baselessly called racists if they enforce US laws.
Before you can realize why negotiations are required, you have to understand why we are there to begin with. To protect the opium poppies. The Taliban destroyed the poppy fields that the CIA depend on for the billions they make off the trafficking of drugs. So long as the Taliban allow the production of drugs to continue, the US will withdraw.
anyone ever hear of the Kyber pass. its very strategic. even today
It’s somewhere between Iran and China, right ?
afghanistan /pakistan. its part of the hippie trail and silk road
I have long contended that if Alexander the Great couldn’t conquer Afghanistan, then we should stay away and put the money to better use. Yeah, if Afghanistan was 100 miles South of Cuba, it might be worthwhile, but it’s a primitive, mountainous backwater filled with primitive tribal attitudes and behaviors, in one of the hot spots on our planet. (I have some good Afghani friends in their 60’s and 70’s, and they agree). It’s none of our business.
Actually, Afghanistan was as mundane as Beirut in the sixties. The four main urban areas were full of women going to universities and international hotels and corporations. The people in rural areas lagged, but that is also true of Iran or the USA. It was all destroyed by geopolitical interference.
I’m unsure what brought the Taliban to power that ruined that version of nirvana but is it any different form what brought Trump to power. Apparently, enough people in Afghanistan were unhappy with how things were running back then, that they helped the Taliban get a foothold. And then look what happened. Same as with Trump, no?
“JUST LEAVE”
That is the best comment I have ever read regarding these useless wars.
This is what Trump told Hugh Hewitt back in 2015 and precisely why negotiations will fail. Trump has broadcast to the world his intention to pull out. So what ‘s the negotiation about? Seems stupid. The Taliban knows Trump wants to leave and won’t come back.
A negotiation is when two sides want something from the other they can’t get on their own. The U.S. is leaving. What can the U.S. offer the TAliban they wouldn’t get getting anyway that they want?
“People can’t know exactly what your intentions are,” Trump told Hewitt. “You want to have a certain amount of, you want to have a little bit of guess work for the enemy.
If it was up to Trump alone, he would be trumpeting about how he got us out of Syria and Afghanisatn, perhaps even Iraq. The course of events makes it very clear that the decisions in America are made by career bureaucrats at the bidding of the most important lobbies. (“We the people” is not a lobby).
Trump can turn around and send missiles to kill the Taleban leadership if they do something stupid like Trump killed Iranian General Soleimani that was running Iran’s program of arming Iran-backed Shia militias in Iraq and paying them a bounty for each American soldier they killed and Obama foolishly did nothing despite estimated almost 1000 American soldiers being killed by Iran-backed shia militias in Iraq.
Trump wants to pull troops out and wants peace but is still unpredictable.
Soleimani thought he was safe and untouchable flying around between Beirut and Iraq and Iran since Obama had done nothing for 8 years.
By the way a lot of this comes down to how we see the world. If you think somehow these countries are going “to leave us alone” if we just pull back and do nothing, you are mistaken. This is like being a vegetarian and thinking you won’t get eaten by a hungry tiger or lion that comes into your house because you think “hey..he wont’ eat me..I’m vegetarian!”.
Can you mention any specific acts of war perpetrated by Iraq, Syria, or Afghanistan against the USA? Even Iran for that matter, or N Korea, or Vietnam?
Don’t come up with PsyOps from the secret intelligence covert Ops department.
How about 9/11?
When it happened, I was really looking forward to George W. launching a swift counter attack within a few days to teach the terrorists a lesson. Instead, days turned into weeks, and weeks turned into months. We formed a coalition and then asked the whole world if it was okay if we attacked now. WTF??!!!!
I then realized that the attacks were being used to rev back up the military industrial complex which had been set to idle for a good decade. As if we really wanted, we could have prevented the attacks, but decided to not pay too close attention to our adversary in the hopes that they would hit us, not too hard, but hard enough to rouse the sleeping giant. It did, sadly…
USA sent missiles to destroy Taleban camps in Afghanistan pretty quickly if I recall correctly and the Afghanistan war also started quite soon.
For the Iraq war there was more selling with war mongers Cheney and Trump and lots of lower flacks selling the war against Iraq on every channel and Colin Powell waiving that FAKE glass vial of Weapons of Mass Destruction in that UN meeting very dramatically.
Easy to answer. The military-industrial complex. They need skirmishes and wars to provide markets to sell their wares into. Think of the majority of our politicians as the salespeople for the MI-Complex.
If we exit Afghanistan, we need to start a new war somewhere, otherwise the MIC might have to stop funding Congressional campaigns and no politician wants any part of that.
Well, just maybe time is soon coming to us always having been at war with EastAsia, and TalibanAsia again always being our ally. If The Taliban could get themselves worked up enough to support fellow fundamentalists in Arabia fighting a corrupt superpower halfway around the world, why not neighboring Uighurs?
Close, but not quite. It is the fact that Afghanistan is the primary source of opium poppies and that the CIA controls all drug trade. Google Mena Airport Iran Contra, and you will find out that the US government is up to its ears in the drug trade.
China has put Uighurs in re-education camps assembling products for export and Trump/USA just banned exports made in that Uighur part of China.
I don’t really give a damn because we have no business there in the first place just as we had no business in Vietnam and numerous other places.
The only problem is that this isn’t Vietnam. 9/11 was planned an executed by Al-Qaeda with the help of the Taliban and Pakistan’s ISI. We will get another 9/11 at some point. The previous equivalent to 9/11 was Japan bombing Pearl Harbor, not anything related to Vietnam.
There are extremist groups all over the world, many of whom have aspirations at harming the US. Some very occasionally put in an attempt, most won’t succeed. Occasionally one might.
But how many countries does the US plan on invading to prevent that risk. How many innocent lives in how many countries are you suggesting should be killed to prevent the possibility of terrorist attack?
How many US $billlions and how US lives will it cost?
It makes zero sense. The US invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan have been extraordinarily costly and what exactly has been accomplished?
Actually I agree with you. It would have been cheaper to take over Afghanistan and annex it as a state after 9/11. The world was behind us. The US could have easily done that. But we don’t do that anymore. Russia does that now. At some point I predict Russia will be the one behind the next attack on US soil but they will make it look like the Taliban, Al-Qaeda or some other group did it. Sadly in the world we live in, this is what happens. It should never prevent the US from doing the right thing though. At some point, because we give in to attacks on our soil, we will cease to be the United States and just become a government owned by Putin or some other autocrat. It is probably in the works now to happen before the November election. Don’t say you weren’t warned.
Annexation would never work … they want independence and sovereignty. Would only work if you murder the entire population.
The US doesn’t ever “do the right”. That is just cover. The Roman Empire justified its wars and empire by saying they were playing defense. For 1000 years.
How was the Kool-Aid? You seem to swallowed every global, unilateral, US-is-the-good-guy lie. So no matter who attacks us, Russia is behind them pulling the strings? Well, now that’s an axiom upon which to build a fine conspiracy theory!
Then you say, innocently, let’s not prevent America from doing the right thing. The right thing?!? It’s astonishing you don’t just come out and advocate the death of all foreigners who won’t toe the American imperial line. Undermine their government with lies and assassinations, break down their society with wars and sanctions, kill their citizens. Like Syria? Like Libya? As is underway in China? How about Bolivia, was that the right thing? Venezuela?
Thanks for the warning, troll.
And you reckon all these scary hobgoblins in faraway lands; which big, strong dear Leader must bend us over to protect us from; just randomly picked some building halfway around the world as a neat place to land a plane? All despite many a Taliban barely, if at all, being aware of the existence of even Kabul?
Also, Japan bombed Pearl Harbor because of Pearl Harbor. Not because of Hawaii. More specifically, because Pearl Harbor was quite a bit bigger, and the fleet harbored there a lot more wide ranging, than what was needed to narrowly defend Hawaii (And all that in addition to, why the heck were “we” on Hawaii in the first place…?). They didn’t bomb it to conquer Hawaii. So yes, pretty much same story: Aggressive posturing and meddling leading to pointless conflict.
No they had help from the ISI in Pakistan as I said along with help from the Saudi government. Somehow these groups were all convinced to hate the United States and blame their lot in life by taking up a cause of a country that was left in shambles not by the US but by the Soviet Union.
We are Losing twice as many people to Covid every week as we lost on sept 11, and nobody bats an eye. Why should we spend trillions every time some band of whackos manages to kill some of us?
Terrorists do not represent an existential threat to this country unless we panic.
Excess mortality does not bear out your statement.
Corrected for the total amount of life expectancy being lost, mortality is almost zero, less than severe flue seasons (which take the lives of much younger cohorts, including infants with 960 months to live instead of 6 like the people in nursing homes.
That is bullshit
Neither the Taliban nor Afghanistan had anything to do with 911. It was Saudi Nationals and the reason was US had troops on sacred US soil. Hell, we were arming the Taliban to fight Russia. How stupid was that?
I agree MiSH, US and western culture is good at creating frankenstien. Now it has to fix the problem. This is causing problem for India and whole neighborhood. Just like the creature of “CHINA”.
We’re there because of the MIC.
Where are all our warriors going to find jobs when world peace is upon us?
Sweet dreams comrades.
The “Peace With Honor” nonsense is exactly the problem.
Always an implied “but.” Always an exception.
“We want peace!” Chant the dumblngs. “Except thiiiings are diiiiferent thiiiis tiiiimee, theeeeese guys say mean tgiiingz to wiiimenz!!” The intellectual lightweights of every progressive affiliation ca be relied on to serially fall for. Every.Single.Time.
“We won’t bail out banks”….. “except thiiis tiiie iiiiiis diiiiferent!!!” Chant the dumb children….. “We respect the second amendment eceeeept tiiiiis tiiiime the guuuuuns looook scaaiiiiiiyyy!!!” The braindeads chime in, not wanting to be left out of the progresssive idiot party.
Instead, just get the f out of everywhere, and stay there. Make some semblance of effort to protect US borders, and that’s it. Whether some mythical “rest of the world” even exists or not, is exactly zero business of any taxpayer fed anything in DC whatsoever, until some of it starts invading or shelling the US proper. Up until then, the taxfeeders should go find themselves a real job.
USA has had some semblance of effort to protect US borders since Reagan’s stupid and incompetent 1986 amnesty and US citizenship giveaway for 5+ million ILLEGAL immigrants many which came after the cut-off date and just lied they had been in USA longer so it has been 34 year of semblance of effort.
The whole USA-Mexico border needs a WALL including banks of Rio Grande and Trump’s “I built 200+ miles of 30 foot tall wall look at me the border is now secure” BS is not going to cut it.
The US-Mexico border is 1950+ miles and building wall on only parts of it just re-directs the ILLEGAL immigrant flows and drug smuggling so USA needs a WALL on the whole border and Trump and his thoroughly incompetent staff need to read 8 U.S. Code § 1158 and Geneva convention and Trump needs to tell his AG Barr to make the decision he is entitled to make as AG according to 8 U.S. Code § 1158 “without judicial review” (without courts stopping him) to start returning EVERY asylum seeker and ILLEGAL immigrant caught at the border or inland back to Mexico and tell them to ask for Geneva Convention signatory and SAFE enough “safe third country” Mexico for Asylum.
Trump needs the 2nd term because Joe Biden is clinically INSANE and has promised amnesty and US citizenship for all current ILLEGAL immigrants in USA that number 29.5 million according to MIT-Yale study from 2018 which would make USA Democrat controlled for the next 100 years and attract tens of millions NEW illegal immigrants to USA to get into the Biden amnesty or wait for the next amnesty just like Reagan’s 1986 amnesty for ILLEGAL immigrants attracted the current 29.5 million ILLEGAL immigrants to USA.
The 29.5 million new citizens would create a huge new demand for government services and state services and state welfare, SNAP-EBT, Section-8 housing, Federal tax credits, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and lead to cuts in those programs hurting poor Americans and the tens of millions new ILLEGAL immigrants the amnesty would attract would lower/stagnate wages of American working class even worse than the current 29.5 million ILLEGAL immigrants have done and steal tens of millions of jobs more from American youths and American minorities and Americans need all the jobs because blowing the debt bubbles everywhere and insane deficit spending can not continue indefinitely without the system breaking totally and the debt bubbles and deficit spending create FAKE jobs and FAKE prosperity that do not exist without the debt bubbles and deficit spending.
For existing ILLEGAL immigrants the Democrat controlled Sanctuary states and cities need to punished by withholding Federal funding and taking away federal jobs until Democrats give up their Sanctuary obsession of protecting ILLEGAL immigrant criminals and instead of releasing them back to US streets like now happens every criminal and gang member must be put on ICE detainer and DEPORTED.
For non-criminal ILLEGAL immigrants USA needs a MANDATORY e-verify for all jobs and companies for new and existing employees and the system needs enough incentive for companies and employers to comply so 1 million dollar fine per employee that has not been checked through E-Verify should suffice and this will remove all jobs from ILLEGAL immigrants and needs to be gradually rolled out state by state and told that this will happen in all states in the next 4 years so ILLEGAL immigrants self-deport.
Crops still need to be picked so if automation does not move fast enough then previous ILLEGAL immigrants need to be given visas to come work in USA for the time the farmer needs them but no bringing of your family and no taking state welfare for 6 months of the year like happens in California.
You come, you work, you return back home.
The absurdity of giving babies born to ILLEGAL immigrants US citizenship despite their DOMICILE clearly being their home country since they are in USA illegally needs to be STOPPED and the fact that this absurdity was started against the law under Reagan after ONE Supreme Court judge wrote as his personal opinion a footnote without any weight into one decision is a shame for US Supreme Court and for all US bureaucrats.
Same for birth tourists from China and Russia and elsewhere since it is criminally insane US bureaucrats are so messed up they give birthright citizenships for babies born in USA to Chinese and Russian and other tourists despite their domicile clearly being their home country since they are TOURISTS in USA and most likely both China and Russia are using this insanity to get their elites and intelligence services go pickup US citizenships through birth tourism for their children and then train them to become agents or influencers that can work freely inside USA when they grow older since they have a US citizenship through this incredible insanity USA is doing.
NO other country in the world gives birthright citizenship to babies born to TOURISTS or babies born to ILLEGAL immigrants despite CNN lying to Americans that 70+ countries have birthright citizenships.
All those countries apart from USA limit the birthright citizenships to people who LEGALLY live in those countries with a PERMANENT residence permit.
I was in Grand Staircase NM and Capital Reef NP for last 5 days. Back now
Grand Staircase NM is one of my favorite places in the world. I’ve been there many times and have seen only about 2% of the area. I just wish I’d discovered 20 years before I did when I could hike for days. Have you ever been to Buckskin Gulch and Paria Canyon? Probably the most incredible hike I’ve ever been on starting from Wire Pass.
I hiked Wire Pass earlier this year. Beautiful. Was in White Pocket in May. I hiked Antelope Canyon decades ago before they herded you though like sheep.
Whit pocket is definitely on my list. One I’ll never get to due to physical issues is the Golden Cathedral near Escalante. Google it if you’re unfamiliar. Not to far away is a James Beard wining restaurant, Hell’s Backbone Cafe if you get hungry. It’s a fabulous part of the world. And of course the Orange Narcissist in Chief cut Grand Staircase NM in half.
photos?
It takes me a long time to process them. Have some really nice stuff.