Albert Edwards on Trump’s Legacy:15% Deficits then a Deflationary Bust

In his latest Email, Albert Edwards at Society General fires a shot at Trump’s tax cut.

Edwards says the “fiscal expansion is probably the most foolhardy escapade in modern economic policy, and the timing of the fiscal stimulus that is utterly ridiculous and will only accelerate the collapse of US financial markets as the Fed hikes rates even more quickly.”

I doubt this is the most foolhardy expansion in history, but it is reckless and ill-timed.

Here are a few clips from Edwards.

After some eighteen months of surprising to the downside, US wage and price inflation are rising briskly, putting intense downward pressure on financial markets. Yet another Fed-inspired financial Ponzi scheme now looks set to collapse into the deflationary dust. But the post-mortem will identify President Trump’s ludicrously timed fiscal stimulus as a key trigger for the collapse. A 15% deficit will be his legacy.

Whatever the arguments are in favour of tax reform in the US (and there are many), this is probably the singularly most irresponsible macro-stimulus seen in US history. To say it is ill-timed and ill-judged would be a massive understatement.

The outcome of this front-end loaded stimulus package is patently obvious. It will rapidly accelerate the end of the economic cycle.

Tim Lee of pi Economics opined recently on why the VIX will struggle to regain the very low levels of a couple of weeks back. “We are much further into the cycle of what might be thought of as an underlying tightening of monetary conditions. The Fed is contracting its balance sheet and raising interest rates. On top of that … US imbalances are worsening with the personal savings rate set to fall to a new low while US government finances deteriorate further. Nominal and real bond yields are rising.”

Notwithstanding the fact that I do occasionally get my forecasts correct, I have another prediction on the US deficit. Because of the starting point of US fiscal policy, I have a very high confidence that in the next, not so distant, US recession, the US general government deficit will soar way beyond the 13% the OECD say was the peak for 2009. A ruinous fiscal deficit in excess of 15% of GDP will be Trump’s legacy.

Name the Crisis

That chart and many similar ones are making the rounds.

But as discussed, futures bets that the 10-year yield is about to break out are at extreme levels.

See No Bond Vigilantes: Just Record Short Futures Speculators.

Inflation Talk Everywhere

All eyes are on inflation. The CPI jumped and Inflationistas Rang Alarm Bells.

One can easily find inflation in home prices, but the Fed does not count that.

Edwards’ Email discusses the Phillips curve, a point on which we disagree.

Most believe there is serious wage pressure, but the data are highly suspect. Close analysis shows Acceleration in Wage Growth is a Statistical Mirage

However, Trump’s seriously misguided tariffs may temporarily boost inflation, at least temporarily. Then think Smoot-Hawley.

Deflationary Collapse

Edwards says the next recession will bring outright deflation, helicopter money, negative Fed Funds and negative 10 year bond yields.

Overall, Edwards’ view message closely matches mine.

I think the tax cuts were a huge mistake. For discussion, please see Tax Cut Stimulus Mish vs. Krugman: Libertarians Dead Wrong?

I have written many times that the low in long-term yields is not yet in, but I am not calling for negative rates just yet.

The next recession undoubtedly brings about outright deflation. Price deflation should to be expected when asset bubbles burst, and this is one massive bubble.

MIke “Mish” Shedlock

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ahengshp58
ahengshp58
6 years ago

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ahengshp58
ahengshp58
6 years ago
ahengshp58
ahengshp58
6 years ago
ahengshp58
ahengshp58
6 years ago
philbq
philbq
6 years ago

This stock market bubble was caused by cheap money. Now that the cheap money is being removed, the market will surely tank.

killben
killben
6 years ago

“Consider that, under the Greenspan/Bernanke/Yellen Federal Reserve, the following has occurred:

Pension plans, both public and private have been ruined. Millions of future retirees and taxpayers will not have trillions of dollars they would and should otherwise have to support them in their later years.
Income inequality is at the highest its been in over 100 years
Wealth inequality is also at historical extremes
Student debt is now nearly $1.5 trillion, up ~ $1 trillion since 2007
More than a trillion dollars of interest payments on savings accounts has been forfeited — denying funds to the next generation for use in business creation, household formation, and education.
Total debt in the US and globally is up massively since the 2008 Great Recession (itself a central banking accident), and now stands at more than $233 trillion worldwide.

These are among a few of the destructive results of the Federal Reserve’s decision to lower interest rates to 0% in order to reward the big banks, well connected private equity firms, and unrestrained government borrowing.”

More here… (link to zerohedge.com)

Pray tell me why we should not call the central banksters “MONETARY TERRORISTS” for what they have wrought.

While people are sleeping now and are not able to figure it out, a day will come (may be it will take a decade or even two) when the Monetary Terrorrists will be understood for what they are and will be dealt with accordingly. I hope it is sooner than a decade or two.

Ambrose_Bierce
Ambrose_Bierce
6 years ago

I vote for “The Great Unwind”. Contrary to what we expect, Central Bankers will stand around with their hands in their pockets and do nothing. The net effect of pumping trillions into the global economy since 2008 may have provided some immunity to the effects of a crash, at least to prevent a situation where money disappears, like the first (global) Depression. It will come as a shock to those who have cash, and want to buy the dip, when the collapse/recovery takes the shape of an “L”. There is a lot of overcapacity, and so business has room to contract.

killben
killben
6 years ago

I fully expect a reset in monetary system at some point in time simply because there is no other way and some one will have to bite the bullet

killben
killben
6 years ago

@RonJ, “they suddenly reverse course, because they can’t bear the consequences.” Yes that is the problem. But the issue is also as they keep doing it the problem gets postponed but gets bigger. That is you can not get out may be stretch it for decades (and ALL central banksters will have to pull in same direction). Like Japan. Probably that is why Mish keeps saying the Fed will reverse (I am guessing). Then the question is how it is going to end? My mind boggles at the thought.

RonJ
RonJ
6 years ago

China just created 2.9 million Yuan in loans in January. That was 5 times the amount in December. China has repeatedly talked of reigning in, but every time they start to, they suddenly reverse course, because they can’t bear the consequences. Japan just announced they would buy up all debt and an Uber Dove is joining the BOJ. The ECB keeps extending and pretending. The U.S. economic expansion hits 9 years next month. Everybody is trying to put off the next recession.

killben
killben
6 years ago

3. Any crash now could be dumped on Trump. Who knows the Fed may not get such a easy target to dump its failure at the next crash

killben
killben
6 years ago

“Edwards says the next recession will bring outright deflation, helicopter money, negative Fed Funds and negative 10 year bond yields.
Overall, Edwards’ view message closely matches mine.”

Will it be possible to do helicopter money and negative rates for the Fed?

3 reasons come to mind:

1. People could revolt (who knows it may wake up people to the fact that they are being had and may wake up this time). IMO, it may not so easy as to be a given.
2. Given that by now even the central banksters might privately acknowledge that QE, NIRP and ZIRP does not work, failure at a later date may entail repurcussions (which they have escaped repurcussions this time. In fact one central bankster has been able to portray it as Courage to Act – basically the courage to give money hand over fist to banksters, who should have been jailed)

Hooligan
Hooligan
6 years ago

do you agree that the (ultimate) path to fiscal surpluses is via current account surpluses and that these can’t happen under the current trade agreements?

Hooligan
Hooligan
6 years ago

not optimistic so much as realistic – after two years, either repatriation, the revise health premiums (via abolition of “tax the healthy to pay for the sick” obamacare, the full impact of first year capex expensing for tax purposes, the eradication of useless regulations (via “one in two out” plus the hiring of those locked out via still record unemployment (using particpation rate, not bullshit U3/U6, plus anti-dumping via current trade deals by Canada, China and others will provide a base. if the base is not quality we will, of course, have an epic fincnail and economic collapse, since it will become all too apparent that the US has no quality or ability to look after itself, let alone export in sufficient quanities to first, balance, and next run fiscal surpluses. it’s a chance – the alternative is to continue on the road to mobocracy and “do no work, pay no taxes, print money”. i am very keen on hearing an alternative. my idea would be to cut spending by sufficient to run 2-3% surpluses for the thirty years it would take to restore the federal debt to rational levels of sub-40%. since there are too many voters, voing for too many benefits and hand-outs, that just won’t happen!

Mish
Mish
6 years ago

You are clearly in the optimist category

TSPsmart.com
TSPsmart.com
6 years ago

It will not be a “crisis”, more like a “global financial disaster”… might as well take the word financial out and go with just … “global disaster” or maybe I am being too optimistic. As David Stockman just pointed out the financial sectors total debt and equity now accounts for 5X GDP, versus 3.5 on the eve of the financial crisis and under 2 traditionally.

Rayner-Hilles
Rayner-Hilles
6 years ago

link to s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com

From article published at the January 26th stock market price peak.
Title: “Even rising short-term bond yields won’t kill the stock market’s momentum”

link to marketwatch.com

Guest 2
Guest 2
6 years ago

Société Générale ‘s Edwards is a known bear of course. As for all that he forecasts, outcomes may be unduly influenced by psychology, notably the buoyancy of business confidence. If Trump’s infrastructure spending reinforces the temporary uplift from his tax reforms, a little extra time may be bought.

Hooligan
Hooligan
6 years ago

anyways, albert edwards is a classical economics clown – gdp is bullshit, the cpi is bullshit and what will be reported is not 5-8% nominal gdp growth, but 2-4% “real” growth as inflation will shift upwards to 3-4%. all bullshit of course, but, hey, what else would you pay “classical economic” and “keynesian economic” theorists all those multi-million dollar salaries for? the real issue is whether the “fallen vulture” or “vega” market returns stock market multiples for shit like amzn and tsla to rational ones. of course it won’t because there are way too many stock market anal-ysts making too many millions out of pump priming values so passive etfs in 401k plans and stock buybacks hide the real inflation rate. now have someone advance the theory that stock market price rises are inflationary because they make the accumulation of pension pots way too expensive. in a low rate environment, you need a thousand bucks to fund a dollar a week of retirement benefits. so 500,000 is needed for 500 bucks a week (500,000 times 5% = 25,000 = 500 a week in an annuity). the annuity rate should be closer to 8% – the stock market is 30% overvalued by the 4 trillion goosing of the fallen vulture by the Fed. European and Japanese stock markets are even worse. so there you have it. the right name for the next bear market is “fallen vulture” or “vega” for short. bon appetit!

Hooligan
Hooligan
6 years ago

there are many components to the calculation of GDP. the usual single letters are C+G+I + (x-m). C(onsumption) is going to increase 3-4% in the next year because of tax cuts and pay rises, G is increasing GDP over the next year because, by conventional economic measurments, an increase in G(overnment) in the next year is a boost to the economy (what a crock hey, more debt = growth? NOT?) I(nvestment) will increase over the next two years because of repatriation. A real economist would delve deeper into each of C, G and I to see where that economist could aid investors in placing money. the last shoe to fall is (x-m). Ross is addressing (x-m). The trouble with (x-m) is that it is a mirror image of the fiscal deficit. So unless Ross/Trump are succesful in “fair trade” not “free trade” that will blow up as the fiscal deficit blows up. Now, by conventional (bullshit) economic measures, GDP is likely to increase in nominal terms by around 5-8% for each of the next two years. Rational markets would price the ten year at the same nominal rate. What is being missed is the second round effects of I and the targeted contraction in (x-m). some muppets call “fair trade” a “trade war”. i have news for them – we are already in a trade war and we are losing – aided and abetted by falling educational standards to snowflake levels and an opiod epidemic making american workers unemployable – thank you drug companies.

Hooligan
Hooligan
6 years ago

the next crisis will be named “vega” for “fallen vulture”. nonetheless, albert edwards is naive in the extreme if he thinks that all that matters is an already “seriously goosed” (“seriously vultured”?) stock market.

JoeMichels
JoeMichels
6 years ago

Keeping more of my hard earned income inflates my bank account.

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