Are Manchin, Sinema, and Tester On Board Biden’s $3.5 Trillion Socialist Express?

Mark Warner’s Pivotal Role

The Wall Street Journal says Mark Warner Plays Pivotal Role in Democrats’ Large-Scale Spending Plans.

When talks among Democrats about a raft of antipoverty and climate-change measures began, Sen. Mark Warner (D., Va.) assumed that lawmakers would agree to spend less than the $3.5 trillion plan announced this past week.

The centrist lawmaker said he is worried about inflation and the rising U.S. debt burden and came to the talks with different policy priorities than some of his party colleagues. After weeks of negotiations between Democrats on the Senate Budget Committee and a series of calls from President Biden, he came around to the larger figure, which would be distributed over 10 years and paid for with tax increases—conditions he said eased his concerns.

“The president asked me to stretch, and I think I stretched,” Mr. Warner said in an interview.

Like some other Democrats, Mr. Warner favors a 25% corporate tax rate, an increase from the current 21% but below the White House’s proposed increase to 28%. The White House is also seeking to raise the top capital gains rate to 39.6% from 20% and uniformly apply an additional 3.8% surtax to bring it to a total 43.4%. Mr. Warner said he supports a 28% top capital gains rate and has reservations about Mr. Biden’s plan to tax unrealized gains at death.

Pragmatic Bernie Sanders? 

If you are wondering how the figure got to $3.5 trillion, please consider Strange but True: Bernie Takes a ‘Very Pragmatic’ Turn.

Barely 24 hours after the Vermont senator publicly rejected a $3.5 trillion spending deal following a Monday meeting with President Joe Biden, he turned around to tout it as the most transformational policy proposal in nearly 100 years.

The shift in tone was a tactic Sanders used to coax moderate Democrats into going far higher than they might have otherwise felt comfortable. After he had insisted on shooting for the moon with a $6 trillion budget proposal, $3.5 trillion suddenly looked pretty reasonable.

Jokes aside, moderates surmised it wasn’t easy for Sanders to shed his uncompromising stance on this year’s massive spending blueprint, which is still perhaps months away from becoming law. Tester, who quickly endorsed Sanders’ budget blueprint, despite reservations, observed that Sanders likely “had hesitation” in coming down by $2.5 trillion.

“It may have been one of those deals where it was: ‘Look, Bernie, if we don’t get this, we can’t do anything.’ And he decided to move with it,” Tester said of the haggling.I do not call that pragmatic. It was the plan all along and I said so at the time. 

What’s On Board the Biden Express? 

Who and what are both important. 

Consider the NYT report Democrats Roll Out $3.5 Trillion Budget to Fulfill Biden’s Broad Agenda.

I discussed the energy aspect The Greens Hijack Biden’s $3.5 Trillion Budget Proposal (That Could be a Blessing)

  • Clean Energy
  • Energy Tariffs on Carbon Imports
  • Corporate Tax Hikes 
  • Capital Gains Tax Hike 
  • Medicare Expansion
  • Subsidized Child Care
  • Universal Prekindergarten
  • Two Years of Free Community College
  • Civilian Climate Corps

Socialist’s Wet Dream

Belief in Socialism is belief that the government and its system can make better decisions with your money than you can. 

This is not a moderate package. It’s a socialist’s wet dream. 

Senator Mark Warner is no “moderate” and neither is president Biden.

Who’s On Board the Biden Express?

Obviously and unfortunately, Mark Warner. He is now a proven Socialist. Indeed, anyone who supports this monstrosity is a proven Socialist.

Unless one of Krysten Sinema (D. AZ), Jon Tester (D. MT), or Joe Manchin (D. WV) opposes this mess, it will sail through Congress 50-50 with Kamala Harris casting the tie-breaking vote for Socialism.

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Blurtman
Blurtman
2 years ago
Yes, I was sick of Trump saying that Hispanics are not getting vaccinated because they fear getting deported, and that blacks entrepreneurs aren’t aren’t successful because they do not know accountants and lawyers, and that his VP had to be a particular race. What a sick person!
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Blurtman
An no access to photocopiers either!
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
What if all the Republicans in the Senate leave on a trip to deny Democrats a quorum? 
whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78

I think they have to leave the country for that.   Perhaps they can go to North Korea, where they can be guests of Trump’s buddy Kim Jong Un?!   Or they could live in Somalia for a year – and if they come back alive, write a book, “The Somalia Success Story”.   LOL

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
No. They just don’t come to the Senate. That is all.
From the official Senate site titled “Voting and Quorum Procedures in the Senate”. 
You really should do a bit of research before answering. 
whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
That’s why I said they could try leaving the country.  The actual rule is:  “Often, fewer than 51 senators are present on the floor, but the Senate presumes a quorum unless a roll call vote or quorum call suggests otherwise.”

If zero  Republicans are present, then who is going to make the quorum call?    But if even a single Republican is present, then there will be 51 senators present, so they can’t make that quorum call!    LOL

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
Great! You actually read it now! Congratulations. If they stay away but do not attend they can in principle be compelled to attend by being arrested and physically brought to the Senate. Great solution but that has never been done because in some cases it would end up with shootouts between federal officers and state police protecting their elected senators. You could send in SEAL teams to kidnap them and bring them to Washington under arrest but you could imagine how that would be seen. To be brief it is the nuclear option but has never been used because it hurts both sides equally and would probably lead to voters getting pissed off and voting them out. There are senators on both sides whose seats are not secured and it’s a danger they would not like to have. The Texas Democrats are testing it and we will see how that works out. Since a walkout stops legislation laws helping their districts don’t get passed either.
anoop
anoop
2 years ago
this is the only way we can get the s&p500 to 6000.  if it passes soon we could make 5400 by year end.  imagine the amount of tax revenue that would generate.  all those ipos and spacs.  yummy.  only question is — why didn’t we do these earlier, like in 2000?  i’d be worth 8 figures by now, maybe even 9.  a loaf of bread would cost triple digits, but we’d all know that it was going to be transitory.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
2 years ago
American capitalism worked out so great that it failed most people. I guess someone forgot to tell them part of the American dream is ending up broke and dead and being happy about it. I’m sure that will go over well with the kids as well.   If 20th century capitalism had not failed, there wouldn’t be 50% or or more of the citizenry wanting more stuff. 
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
How has capitalism failed? There are far more products on the shelf here than there are in Cuba or Venezuela, which are socialist. It is capitalism that brought China up out of extreme poverty.
goldguy
goldguy
2 years ago
As each year passes, America becomes more socialist.  It’s like clockwork.  Make a timeline over the last 50-100 years. Each year America has more socialist policy’s than the previous year….It all ends in tyranny and at some point the nation collapses. 
whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
Reply to  goldguy
Over the last 40 years, the only socialism that has grown in America has been socialism for the rich.   The programs that help the average middle-class and poor people have been cut and shredded and gutted relentlessly.
Jackula
Jackula
2 years ago
Reply to  goldguy
Socialist? Please, unlss you mean socialism for the wealthy. We are the biggest oligarchy the world has ever seen thanks to our socialism for the wealthy. All you have to do to see how much socialism we have out there for the poor is to go anywhere in LA and check out all the homeless. Real simple math here in LA. Minimum wage 1977 Los Angeles $3.25 an hour, average house price $52K, currently $15 per hour average home price 880k. For minimum wage to have kept up it should be $52 per hour. More like serious accumulation of corporate and financial elite power. What we have is a whole lot of virture signaling with almost zero substance by two very corrupt political parties.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Jackula
“All you have to do to see how much socialism we have out there for the
poor is to go anywhere in LA and check out all the homeless.”
Los Angeles voted to spend a billion dollars or more on the homeless. 
whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
Belief in libertarianism/capitalism is belief that poverty-stricken people can make better decisions with their money even when their wages are falling, and their rent, food, college and health care expenses are rising. 
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
2 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
And socialism is the belief that poverty-stricken people can’t make good decisions for themselves regarding money, jobs etc and thus need to be taken care of.
whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Poverty-stricken people have no money, dude!    That is the definition of the term!    What money decisions can you take when you have no money??!! 

Typical libertarian tone deafness.  Sheesh!   

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
2 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
Poverty stricken people have money. You know that Welfare and UI benefits provide money right???
Poverty != Broke.
I lived in poverty as a student and even in my 1st job (at least by poverty definitions that gov’t uses) and I did not need anyone making money decisions for me or anything else.
numike
numike
2 years ago
when do I get my check?
shamrock
shamrock
2 years ago
Free k-12: not socialist.  Free prek-14: socialists wet dream.
whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
They call K-12 as socialism too.   “Socialism” is blamed for everything, including this:  link to oftwominds.com

But talk about taxing the billionaires’ wealth and all of a sudden, they claim the billionaires got wealthy due to capitalism!   Go figure.   

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
2 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
If there was an actual need for Pre-K and 2 years of college there would be a real argument for having those paid for.
But Pre-K is just free baby sitting and why should person X pay for person Y’s babysitting. If you can’t afford to have kids you shouldn’t be having kids.
There are lots of careers (good ones too) that don’t require 2 years of college. Furthermore, you are at that time 18 years of age and a legal adult. That’s time you should start being responsible for yourself, as in paying for college via a loan, a job, a GI bill etc.
whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Because universal child care is what developed countries (and even some not-so-developed) countries provide for their people.   If we are not a developed or rich country, then how come we have so many billionaires owning trillions and trillions of dollars in wealth while 90% of the people live precarious lives?
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
2 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
Who cares what other countries do and don’t provide for their citizens. That’s the ‘keeping up with the Jones’ mentality.
There are already plenty of options for child care. This includes things like having family (grandparents, relatives etc) babysit. Or going online and finding someone who babysits kids for X dollars / week (the misses did this to generate extra income when she was at home when our daughter was young and it made an extra 1000 cash a month). Or paying for child care (there are multiple different cost options in most cities). Why do we need to government to compete and make obsolete all these free market options that already exist? And worst of all at higher costs than what we already have (union wages equal to teachers wages for babysitting).
Jackula
Jackula
2 years ago
Maybe we should talk about an infrastructure project that gets water to the western US? Little too practical?
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Jackula
absolutely not! This thread is for socialism loving and capitalism bashing. 
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
There is a mob of lobbyists from both sides trying to stuff money in Manchin’s pockets. All he has to do is sit back and count it.

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