Biden Wants to Ban Gas Stoves, the NY Governor Wants to Ban it Outright

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A Ban on Gas Stoves

The Wall Street Journal reports Biden Is Coming for Your Gas Stove

Coercion in the cause of banning fossil fuels is no vice for the Biden Administration, which is now coming after cooks. The Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) could soon ban gas stoves.

CPSC Commissioner Richard Trumka Jr. teased in an interview with Bloomberg News this week that the agency plans to propose new regulations for gas stoves, which could include a ban. “This is a hidden hazard,” Mr. Trumka said. “Any option is on the table. Products that can’t be made safe can be banned.”

Studies flogged by the climate left don’t account for the effects of ventilation. One even sealed a test kitchen in plastic tarps in an effort to show that gas stoves increase pollution. The International Study of Asthma and Allergies in Childhood, the most comprehensive global study to date, found “no evidence of an association between the use of gas as a cooking fuel and either asthma symptoms or asthma diagnosis.”

The New York Post reports the proposal caused such a backlash that Biden Official Backs Off Gas Stove Ban.

Richard Trumka Jr. told Bloomberg that the appliances are a “hidden hazard” in a story published Monday.

“Any option is on the table. Products that can’t be made safe can be banned,” he told the news outlet.​

Trumka — the son of late AFL-CIO president Richard Trumka later clarified that any new regulation would only pertain to new appliances after he was called out on Twitter by Rep. Gary Palmer (R-Ala.).

Actually, the CPSC did not back down. The intent is to ban it on new stoves. 

Kathy Hochul’s Latest Brainstorm

Please consider New York Governor Kathy Hochul’s Latest Brainstorm

Governor Kathy Hochul recently lamented that too many people are leaving New York, and the state had to do more to get them back. The latest evidence that she has no idea how to do it is her proposal on Tuesday to ban the use of fossil fuels in all new buildings.

She’d ban the use of fossil fuels for heating and in appliances in all new small structures as early as 2025, and in larger buildings by 2028. You won’t be able to buy a natural-gas heating system in the state starting in 2030.

Meanwhile, she will make New Yorkers even more dependent on an electrical-power grid that is increasingly unreliable. The state has closed a large nuclear plant, has blocked natural gas pipelines through the state, and is making itself more dependent on offshore wind power that may not be developed.

Are You Terrified?

It makes more sense to be terrified of Biden’s and the Progressive Left’s plans to address climate change than climate change itself.

Meanwhile, I am pleased to report the Fed wants no part of this nonsense. For discussion, please see Fed Chair Warns President Biden “We will not be a climate policymaker”

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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
this is all just a new version of the cash for clunkers deal to help industries who lobby congress and their state houses. come on kids. in 2023 doesn’t everyone get the scam of the great grifter empire, we call pax dumbphuckistan. the ruling class is stealing everything not nailed down. the peasants are so greedy, so they are represented by their own likeness. democracy works. it’s a scam girls and boys. has nothing to do with safety or pollution. it is 2023. it’s obvious.
david halte
david halte
1 year ago
Profit and control. Energy companies track their residential customers electricity use in real time, with smart meters. Electricity use is charged at significantly higher rates at peak usage times. And slightly less at mid-peak (shoulder) times, compared to off peak hours. Monopoly energy companies skirt price regulations by keeping base rates the same. Smart appliances in the home can also be turned off at the station, during blackout periods.
PreCambrian
PreCambrian
1 year ago
Although I firmly believe in manmade climate change, banning natural gas for cooking would be pointless. First it is a relatively minor use of natural gas, second it will probably result in the burning of more fossil fuels to generate electricity for cooking. An efficient CHP natural gas fired electrical generator produces about 36 units of electricity for every 100 units of input fuel or 36%. Natural gas burned for cooking is almost 100% turned into heat at the source. In addition there will probably be severe demands put on the electrical transmission and distribution system if a majority of homes changed their cooking and heating sources from natural gas to electricity. We just had an electrical outage and it was nice to be able to cook a hot meal on the gas cooktop and take a hot shower using my natural gas fired water heater.
I will talk to Biden and change his mind.
phil
phil
1 year ago
someone has probably already posted. this is de facto in CA, for new construction, per my understanding, if you go by code.
RonJ, below, is correct.
Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Reply to  phil
Yes, I did. You should read the comments prior to posting. D’oh.
Carl_R
Carl_R
1 year ago
Here’s a tidbit for you, not particularly relevant for anything: cellulose fibers (rayon, viscose, and cotton) that are dyed with vivid blue reactive dyes will be subject to gas fume fading. If stored in a closet near a kitchen with gas appliances, the color will gradually shift to reddish purple.
Carl_R
Carl_R
1 year ago
Reply to  Carl_R
I would add that fume fading (i.e. color change to fuchsia from blue) was first identified in the 1950’s. The point is that it has long been known that gas stoves release corrosive chemicals into the air of a home. I personally would never use one, but I think that so long as people know the risks (and waive the right to sue if the exposure to chemicals is harmful to them), they should be able to buy and use them.
VonSteever
VonSteever
1 year ago
The stupidity on display within the Biden regime and its sycophant followers like Kathy Hochul is beyond comprehension and parody. The idea that converting gas ovens to electric, which is the same notion as converting gasoline cars to electric, solves nothing and will be a zero sum gain. The electricity to power all these new ovens (or cars) must be generated somewhere, and unless Hochul decides to build a dozen nuclear power facilities in New York along with a massive re-engineering of the power grids nationwide to handle the greater capacity requirements, that power is coming from fossil fuels. So, bottom line; you’re either burning massive amounts of fossil fuels at centralized power generation stations or you’re burning it locally at someones house. Either way you look in a practical context, and Biden/Hochul are surely not looking at it beyond virtue signaling to the lunatic fringe to score political points, it’s a really bad idea.
Rbm
Rbm
1 year ago

Im all for a cleaner environment. But how much pollution does gas stoves cause in the big picture. Is not gas burned in the power plants these days. Imo the us should move toward renewables as a way to diversify sources of energy. So we actually independent or less dependent at least. On a household level we should be the the same. If you lose power you should have a gas gen/ wood stove/ batt solar/ gas heat or whatever works in your area.

Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Reply to  Rbm
This is all about virtue in fighting global warming. Numbers don’t matter.
Billy
Billy
1 year ago
Reagan warned us about governments who grow out of control.
Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Reply to  Billy
And Eisenhower warned us about the MIC. Lot of good either warning did.
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Nothing worse than invisible undetectable danger.
Especially if there a sound track to sustain it.
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
This has nothing to do with safety. It has to do with them wanting to eliminate use of natural gas as a fuel.
Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
Because it is viewed as a carbon pollutant.
Counter
Counter
1 year ago
Older gas burners can spew carbon monoxide (CO), which is toxic. But that’s a much smaller concern with modern burner designs, and evidence suggests it’s not a long-term health risk anyway—you recover from CO poisoning once the exposure stops
Maybe fossil fuels for electric more of an issue
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
The advantage of gas stoves is instant heat. But new electric stoves heat up really fast now, so that advantage is gone. But heat pumps only work with temperatures over about 25F. When it gets colder than that, back up electrical resistance heating kicks in. Like heating with an electric oven. Very inefficient and expensive. Heat pumps are impractical for heating in much of the country. Heat pump water heaters work really well and use less electricity. So it’s a good option assuming the water heater isn’t in a very cold garage.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
I want a nice, efficient, heat-pump-powered cooktop!
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
I have a newer heat pump. It’s good to -5 F. It might work at lower temperatures, but that is as cold as it’s gotten since I put it in.
My old-fashioned exposed element stove has always heated up fast enough to suit me. There are some electric stoves with ceramic tops that take forever to heat up.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  Siliconguy
The working fluids don’t work well at -5F. You’re getting heat, but it’s from a backup heating element.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
The nicest thing about all-electric is that the Government can turn the electricity on and off at will.
Perhaps based upon your behaviour or financial condition.
They cannot simply turn a gas supply on and off because of the dangers from unlit pilots.
More unilateral Government control is always best for you.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Toot toot!
Avery
Avery
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
You’re right on the “Toot toot!”, your ‘kook alert’. Easier for Trudeau to lock down their bank accounts instead.
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Toot Toot. CDC admitted 770 safety signals were triggered on those “safe and effective” Covid shots. CDC hid the information from the public until FOIA. Another cover-up. One of those signals is death.
Billy
Billy
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Not if you own your own solar and battery backup.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
No worries.
I believe that the state continues to allow burning buffalo chips (dried dung) indoors for cooking fuel.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Only as long as the chips are dried naturally and not dried using coal, oil or gas. I worked my way through school collecting the chips, putting them into one-ounce bags and selling it to students as really good sh*t.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Did you sell them by the eighth and the gram as well? Free scooper with ounce purchase?
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Well before you sell it you have to weight it.
GeorgeWP
GeorgeWP
1 year ago
Induction way better than gas. Quicker. And way safer for old folk and wine/spirit drinkers.
And for the hunker down folk, it can be powered by solar, water wheel, wind or some leftie slave on a bike. You can’t generate your own gas.. well not enough to run a cooker.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  GeorgeWP
George, it all depends on whether your toilet empties into your digester or into some city piping facility.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
1 year ago
Reply to  GeorgeWP
Went induction four years ago, never going back in the home kitchen. Boiling water in 1/3 the time, and getting expert even cooks at medium, and a whole lot more, are nice to be able to count on. Induction pan porn is a thing. All great stoveware like cast iron and enameled ironware translates beautifully, so most gourmands are in for a real treat.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
My French copper cookware on gas heats twice as fast as my stainless or cast iron on my professional stand-alone induction burner.
It’s the cookware, not the energy source.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Nope. Induction is just faster. It isn’t the cookware.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Nope, it’s the amount of “heat” (thermodynamic heat) that is transferred to the contents of the pot.
Induction puts heat into ferrous metals, but they are poor conductors and spread heat poorly.
Next to silver, copper is the best conductor of heat and spreads the heat quickly and evenly.
What counts is how fast does the water boil and how evenly does it spread across the full extent of the pot.
It appears that my gas burner puts more energy into the contents of my pot than my induction unit limited to 1.75Kw.
Perhaps your cooktop induction “burners” put out more than 1.75Kw (~6000 BTUs) per burner?
Inquiring minds want to know!
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker

They top out at 4 KW in boost mode.And that isn’t the only factor that makes them faster.Induction transfers 90-95% of the energy to the cookware directly while gas only transfers 35-65% because so much is lost to the air. That is why induction is up to 3x more efficient. More energy for cooking and less wasted to the surrounding air.

vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  GeorgeWP
i like the old fashioned kitchens that were outfitted with dog powered energy on stationary wheels. lots of descriptions in the classical literature. i’ve seen them in museums and remnants in europe…..
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
1 year ago
Remember! The majority voted for this idiot. Voters need to be shot. Just rule yourself. Don’t be a coward and pout about how some might be free without your disgusting government.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
They voted for that idiot to get rid of the manbaby, who’s going to run again and get the idiot elected again.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
HippyDippy sat on a wall. HippyDippy had a great fall and the voters and their horses decided not to put him back together again.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
1 year ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
Why do you advocate shooting people because they voted for the person they wanted to win? How do you justify that, is it your “rugged individualistic utilitarianism” flaring up again?
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
1 year ago

They voted to be a slave. Just because I’m not a coward, who needs to be ruled, you think my attitude is ignorant. But who cares about the opinions of slaves? Their opinions are given to you by your masters anyway.

Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
You are just a poster using a made-up name on a blog so any virtues you attribute to yourself, since they are unverifiable, are meaningless.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
Your attitude is narcissistic verging on psychopathic.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
NYC already banned the usage of gas and oxygen tanks for industrial purposes, after few incidents. Regulators approved propane tanks, but banned transferring them in the subway. The fire dept and inspectors were ready for action, but they cancelled the whole thing after forcing people to spent money on equipment.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Gas line can leak and blow up. Gas co have permission to enter your house. Other co want to buy gas co to gain permission to
invade your house for fun and large fines. Higher demand for electricity will further burden the grid and subject us to induced
blackouts, or foreign black
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
I have been all electric for 30 years now. It was a conscious move because in the news I kept hearing of homes and buildings exploding because of broken gas lines. Banning gas stoves outright for the whole state is ridiculous because conditions are different in each part so one size does not fit all and never will. I suppose the next thing is to ban fireplaces. For the Greens I wonder how they will cook their food on camping trips without gas.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Gas to houses is a relic of pre-electric times.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Not sure where you live but gas to houses was pretty much a defacto standard in Canada right up until the last few years. Growing up there I know we had electricity 🙂
Gas was used because it was far cheaper than electric and because it worked when the power was out which is quite important in the winter time and it’s cold out.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Spent four years in an all-electric high rise.
The worse time in the kitchen in my entire life.
Most expensive heating I’ve ever experienced.
I did hear about a gas explosion in a house a few years ago, but it was several states away.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
I live in France and at that time there was a lot of old buildings and houses that were built a couple of centuries ago and when gas became available the installations were slapped on so the safety factor was not thought out. Consequently you had frequent accidents. People back then had a higher tolerance for risk than we do now. It was to them an acceptable tradeoff but of course that all changed in the ’80s when all those installations had to be torn out and modern ones put in.
Bhakta
Bhakta
1 year ago
Good Afternoon from Bangkok Mish! Thank you Thailand has yet to jump on the crazy no gas bandwagon. Everyone cooks with natural gas here. It is clean. It is not costly, although the cost has risen. It is readily available. It can be used even when the electric grid goes down during major storms. And it is the best for cooking because it is easy to control the temperature.
I escaped from California to Thailand in 1985 and have never looked back and never regretted the choice. I have not visited the USA in over 7 years, and wonder if I will again in what remains of this life?
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Bhakta
I understand that parts of the US are still OK, but they are becoming increasingly hard to find.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  Bhakta
I have some gas powered stoves that I can use in an emergency. Bought them after a few hurricanes took out the power for over a week.
Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Many towns in the SF Bay area are implementing new building codes that require all electric houses in new construction. And depending on the scale of a remodel, some are requiring that any existing gas appliances or heating be removed. It’s becoming a movement hereabouts.
Electricity is also fairly expensive here.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Jojo
How many home fires are started by gas failures?
How many home fires are started by electrical wiring failures?
Fortunately there is little political lobbying by the utilities.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  Jojo
Might be a good idea for SF. The 1909 earthquake caused gas leaks to burn down the city. And it doesn’t get too cold for heat pumps.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Are you saying that burning San Francisco down to the ground and starting over would be a bad thing?
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Yes. Since SF is a reliable dem voting block, they’ll get endless funds to rebuild. Similar to Ukraine.
paperboy
paperboy
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
wasn’t gas leaks. wood cook or heating stoves and toppled chimneys had family who lived thru it
JeffD
JeffD
1 year ago
Climate problem affecting your area? Then move somewhere else.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  JeffD
I hear mars has nice dry air…
Nonplused
Nonplused
1 year ago
They know that only CO2 and H20 (water vapor for some of your readers) come out of it, right? There is a tiny bit of mercaptan in there, so you can smell it if it leaks, but that’s it.
Oh well more natural gas for export I suppose.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Nonplused
One quibble. You forgot to mention NO2, CO, and fine particulates.
Though indoor air pollution is not the only reason why I got rid of my gas cooktop. I switched to an induction cooktop because it is faster, safer, easier to work with and 3x more energy efficient.
Bhakta
Bhakta
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
We have an induction cooker too. We still prefer the natural gas stove.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
A little CO is good for the kids… calms them down and helps them believe in Jesus.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
ha ha
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
We switched to buffalo chips as they 100% green and natural and are free for the gathering.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Professional chefs all use gas because it has the best control (instantly adding or removing heat).
Induction may be safer, easier and more energy efficient to work with but it’s not faster or better.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
It is both faster and better.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  Nonplused
Only if it’s 100% efficient. In reality, there’s some CO produced. But it is very clean compared to other combustibles.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
1 year ago
The Dems are now the party of climate alarmist idiots. This “potential” proposal has nothing to do with promoting better health & everything to do with ending our use of fossil fuels while simultaneously ruining our economy.
There’s a massive difference between being aware that climate change is a problem and wanting to come up with viable solutions that help end our use of fossil fuels rather than trying to do it in 12 years. The problem is that it’s got to be WAY more incremental than these climate alarmist idiots realize.
Yet again, absolutely nothing coming out of the 24-month-old Biden administration is worth $0.02. The entirety of his administration is garbage, and it’s an embarrassment as a nation that he got elected, legitimately or otherwise.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
They’re missing the need for a lot more nuclear power. It has to be fission. Fusion won’t work for decades at the earliest.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Used a natural gas cooktop for years. Liked it a lot. Lots of advantages to them. But they do have disadvantages as well. Open flames require extra care, can leak gas (even when not in use), pollutes your indoor air, uses up to triple the energy to cook than the newer induction cooktops.
Switched to induction cooktop instead. Much faster cooking, no flames, cooktop does not get hot (except for some heat transfer from the pot), uses as little as 1/3 the energy, no indoor air pollutants. On the downside; more expensive to buy, requires compatible cookware (stainless steel or cast iron) because it uses electromagnetism to heat the cookware.
If you are worried that gas cooktops will soon be banned, you can still buy one now, in case they stop selling them in the future. Of course, I own a fair number of natural gas companies, so I am talking my book here. Lol.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Totally agree. Massive obvious downside is not having a capacity for a 50-amp breaker and getting an 8-3 AWG run from point A & B. In many cases, that would be 1.5 to 2x more expensive than the $1200 – $2500 cooktop. But for those who can make the switch, it makes 100% sense.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
Good points. Forgot to mention the electrical upgrades. In my case it was all part of a complete kitchen renovation.
JeffD
JeffD
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
How does that interact with the iron in your blood? If the field is intensive enough to affect a pot not modified with coils, it sounds kind of sketchy, safety wise.
Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Reply to  JeffD
Keep body parts at least 3ft away.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  JeffD
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  JeffD
I heard that if you stand too close with more than two burners on it will suck you right into the oven. /s
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
I have heavy-copper French cookware and would convert from natural gas to propane if it came to that.
I do have an electric clothes dryer and would never consider gas for the purpose.
During the summers a length of lightweight rope outside is far superior and as green as you can get.
My additional electric oven is very nice, especially using the broiler as a cooking salamander.
Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
What does salamander taste like?
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
PapaDave, I am curious if you also have electric heating for your home and an electric water heater?
Does all-electric provide a lower rate for electricity where you live?
FWIW I do have a stand-alone single-burner induction unit that works well, handy, but I am unimpressed.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker

Nope. Gas furnace. Four gas fireplaces. Electric washer and dryer. Two electric refrigerators and two electric freezers.

Avery
Avery
1 year ago

Good thing Vlad’s MIRVs don’t run on natural gas.

Esclaro
Esclaro
1 year ago
All those New Yorkers can go to Texas, home of the original unstable and unreliable electrical grid. My daughter is rehabbing houses and she gets the local utility to disconnect the gas line from the house completely. All electric is the future.
JRM
JRM
1 year ago
Reply to  Esclaro
At least with natural gas you can heat your house in a power outage!!!
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  JRM

the control system on a gas furnace is electric

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
During power outages my furnace’s electric control system uses my natural gas powered generator.
The “control system” on my gas fireplaces is me.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Know how I know you don’t know what a control system is?
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
A person turning a valve is a control system.
He did say fireplace, those are not usually connected to a thermostat.
Avery
Avery
1 year ago
Reply to  JRM
Direct gas wall heater. No electric hookup required whatsoever. Been around for ~ 100 years. Can get about 40,000 BTUs from one unit.
wmjack50
wmjack50
1 year ago
Gas water heaters and furnaces are next —The swamp of lawyers in DC looking for more chaos law suits and shake down money–
FIRE THEM ALL THE Administrative State in DC—
Bhakta
Bhakta
1 year ago
Reply to  wmjack50
You have that right. The US is overflowing with money grabbing lawyers.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  wmjack50
I have a heat pump water heater and it works great. It also air conditions my basement. Even in the winter.
shamrock
shamrock
1 year ago
No natural gas anywhere near me, thanks. Common sense.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  shamrock
No natural gas is what happens when you live in an area where the bedrock is close to the surface.

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