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Biggest Loser: Donald Trump

Trump may have cost Republicans the Senate. I will not stay up for the final results but as of 1:16 AM Central, Republicans needs a sweep of Wisconsin, Nevada, and a runoff election in Georgia. 

This easily could have been a blowout for Republicans but wasn’t.

Herschel Walker lived in Texas before being recruited by Trump to run for Georgia Senate using an Atlanta residence owned by his wife.

In Arizona, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire “stop the steal” candidates backed by Trump went down in flames. 

In a couple of states, abortion may have been the decisive factor dashing Republican gubernatorial races. Democrats gained two governor seats.

Brian Kemp will be Georgia Governor although Trump actively campaigned against Kemp in the Republican primary.

Kemp’s sin was resisting pressure by Trump to overturn the Georgia election.

Biggest Winner: Ron DeSantis

Ron DeSantis shows how to deal with Trump: ignore him. 

With 99 percent of the vote in, DeSantis is in a blowout win 59.4 percent to  Charlie Crist 39.9 percent. DeSantis massively outperformed Trump’s 2020 results in every county.

Importantly, DeSantis gerrymandering flipped at least three Democrat-held seats.

Spotlight Georgia, Nevada, Wisconsin

Republican Ron Johnson expected to be a shoo-in for Wisconsin is barely ahead. Nevada is too early to call but if Republicans lose, pin that on Trump as well. 

Adam Laxalt, a former attorney general who helped lead former President Donald J. Trump’s efforts to overturn Nevada’s presidential election results in 2020.

Georgia is likely headed for a runoff. If Walker wins it will be despite Trump, not because of Trump.

I do not know how these Senate races will turn out, but it’s still likely Republicans take the House but there was no red wave. 

Trump will brag about hardcore stop the steal candidates winning House seats, but those were always safe Republican seats anyway. 

Key Evening Take Away

Quality matters. Independents swung against stop the steal. Senate Minority leader Mitch McConnell and Ron DeSantis got this right. Trump got it wrong.

Tonight was a disaster for high profile Trump-backed candidates. There is no other reasonable conclusion. 

If you were hoping for divided gridlock. Congratulations, you got it as long as the House projections hold.

Addendums

Johnson projected to win Wisconsin

Michigan 3rd

Ben Shapiro and my Reply

What About Nevada and Georgia?

Republicans will have little reason to back Walker unless it matters for control of senate. That’s how bad Trump’s hand-picked abortion hypocrite is.

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Bungalow Bill
Bungalow Bill
1 year ago
Just have no enthusiasm for a Trump-led Republican Party.
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Fish1
Fish1
1 year ago
A referendum on religious fascism. If you want to put mayonnaise on your forehead and beat a tambourine, wear magic underwear or whatever fine. Just keep it out of everyone else’s lives. Dinosaurs really did exist 65 million years ago and science is important. Enough of this worshipping at the alter of ignorance.
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RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  Fish1
“…science is important.”
The FDA Active 6 rigged the trials on Ivermectin and fluvoxamine to fail. How is science important when as Dr. Robert Malone says. that at the top, science is about money and power? Fauci determines who gets a study grant, not science.
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RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
“The Economist identified three main causes of low-quality science: The publish-or-perish imperative of academic life; the associated career-related inducements to exaggerate, cherry pick results, and spin causality out of chance correlations; publication bias against studies finding negative results; and lax peer review.”
You might as well believe in a religion, to believe in science. If Fauci doesn’t want to use Ivermenctin he doesn’t have to, but he shouldn’t obstruct me from doing so. Early treatment works, as Fareed and Tyson proved with a perfect record on some 10,000 people.
No hospitalizations, no deaths. The Prep Act Protocol produced many deaths. Scientism killed.
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Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
1 year ago
I was done with Trump in 2018. Now I’m working on DeSantis. 2024 isn’t going to turn out any better for Republicans as long as they keep having the Supreme Court push an agenda everyone knows is against personal freedom. Tieing DeSantis to this will be easy. The Trump Supreme Court keeps on giving forever.
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TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  Casual_Observer2020
What agenda are you referring to?
If it’s abortion, they put it directly in the hands of individual states where it belongs. If you don’t like your states rules, just move to another state or work to change the rules in the state. That’s way better than having it at a national level where if you don’t like the rule you can’t easily go anywhere else (need to find a country that would take you) and have no viable way to change the rules (as a Florida resident I have no way to vote out someone like Pelosi who lives in California).
The fewer things decided at a national level the better off we are as a country.
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abombthecoder
abombthecoder
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
marijuana legalization. the surpreme court of florida trampled upon democracy of floridians.
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RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  Casual_Observer2020
I don’t have the personal freedom to be told the truth about the Covid shots, by my doctor. It is now a California state law, that he must lie to me.
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LM2022
LM2022
1 year ago
I said a week ago in these forums that I didn’t think a red wave would materialize because of the abortion issue – people like Kid Horn and JRM made fun of me for it. Face it, this is nothing less than a defeat for republicans, Trump and MAGA. They couldn’t beat Biden with the economy in free fall, how are they going to win if the economy gets better and the youngsters are out voting them because of social issues?
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MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  LM2022
I said the same, got the same responses.
Most folks don’t know how to remove personal bias from discussion when it comes to politics.
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TheCaptain
TheCaptain
1 year ago
DeSantis deserves his handsome win. Best gov in the USA in my lifetime and I was around for CA Reagan. Funny to see that TDS still rampant in Mish’s writings. Trump is a big mouth arrogant little kid that never grew up. This much is true. But he did a lot of good things, including judicial appointments, that he gets little credit for. He also called out the fake media, which it is, he called out the border crisis which is real, told us that the virus was from the wuhan lab which was true, told the germans that they were exposed to energy issues with Russia, which was very true. Also, Trump avoided authoritarianism that Biden embraced. The US owes a lot to trump and real conservatives do not forget debts, even if other things detract from trump like his arrogance and self centered narcissism. I mean, what do you really expect? Trump was a dem his whole life until just a few years ago when he realized they had stepped past the line. Trump was forced to go GOP because he could no longer stand the p3do stench of the left.
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Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
1 year ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
Why did DeSantis take so much bailout federal money for Covid? Florida led the country in per capita covid bailouts.
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HippyDippy
HippyDippy
1 year ago
Hate it that DeSantis gets any credit. Slaves all believe he’s all about “muh freedoms!”, but that’s slaves. Anyone looking past the spin can tell different. The bashing of “citizen initiatives” because he promised he’d earn his big pharma payoffs, these initiatives having to do with weed, show he’s only interested in his freedom. Typical. He’s no beacon of freedom, but the voters will pick him as Crist is who the democrats pick when they give florida away to the republicans. All a shadow show and it’s so much easier than ruling yourself. Freaking clown world.
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
middle brows need a boss. they were trained this way for generations.
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HippyDippy
HippyDippy
1 year ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
I admit, I’ve never understood this need people have to give up their own power. Which is immense. But I don’t really want to understand it, other than enough to be disgusted by it. Basically, they seek safety by grabbing hold of lightning rods. That always works out well.
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MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Judging by the results of abortion related questions, it appears abortion did have a role in turnout, even Kentucky shot down an abortion ban.
For weeks, commenters here have been making declarations that it wouldn’t matter, I couldn’t care less about the topic, but might suggest those who angrily reacted to that possibility, maybe look at your ability to sort fact from personal bias… especially if you trade/invest.
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Mish
Mish
1 year ago
I do not know how Nevada breaks.
But I expect Georgia will break the same way.
Republicans will have little reason to back Walker unless it matters for control of senate.
That’s how bad Trump’s hand-picked abortion hypocrite is.
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Mish
Mish
1 year ago
8dots: “The D wasted 90% of their ammunition on an ex.”
Seems like the strategy worked to me
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8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Vanderlin, drink your taquila, but face reality before u are out : the Dem survived a Tsunami. It’s only : Red 49:48 Blue. Not a Tsunami. In the last seven years Trump survive impeachments, but destroyed Nancy, the FANG, the crooked media, the woke and ESPN gladiators. I survived front lines, real wars, enemy and friendly fire. My opinion is garbage. I can change my mind instantly and chicken out. I cannot predict anything : elections, stock markets, recessions… I take what the market give me : if X is position ==> X 1.015^52 ==> do this powerball….
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
i’m a trend follower in my trading style for many decades. i think i concur with what you are saying. not quite sure. much easier to follow the trends in prices of things than making believe one can predict. i was shocked as hell at how well my political bets worked out last night. i always assume i’m wrong in predicting the future.
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Agave
Agave
1 year ago
Right wing extremists and many libertarians (and even the few remaining non-extremists) make a few basic mistakes. They look at things too much from a white male centric, economy-and-money is all important point of view. They really were fools to think that women are going to think that control over their bodies being taken away will fade in importance in a few months just because there’s a bit of a current inflation or high gas price problem (mostly the result of pandemic mishandling by the former president and the resulting firehouse of money shot out by the Fed anyway, and worse in many other parts of the world anyway). How do I know? Because I listen to them.
We Dems knew this wouldn’t be a blowout, though fighting the mid-term tradition of the opposing party having the advantage would be tough.
The stupid pundits relied on a slew of biased RW leaning polls intentionally blasting them out in the final month to create a narrative that all people cared about was inflation and the economy. The media is owned mostly by wealthy right wingers. They shape the narrative to their advantage whenever possible. Yeah, economics and the cost of living matters a lot. But it’s not everything, and it’s not permanent.
The completely absurd RW obsession with non-existent widespread voter fraud, the utterly lunatic QAnon B S, and the infantile nonstop whining of the former president and his cult of imaginary aggrieved brainwashed foot soldiers is beyond pathetic. This is a cult that wants to impose an authoritarian, christofascist religious state on the majority of us who will never accept that. We do not want to be like you. Nor do you have to be like us. But you’re not going to impose your nonsense on us. Live and let live.
Maybe not a popular position with many here (which probably makes it correct), but take some time to listen to people who have been discriminated against, ignored, shunted aside, or regularly disrespected, once in awhile. They matter too, and when not totally shut out via intentional voter suppression by bigoted opponents, their vote counts just as much as the rich guy on the other side of town. It’s not just all about you, how much money you have, and those you may hang around with.
Without gerrymandering, voter suppression, hugely biased RW Supreme Court decisions against voting rights, womens’ rights, and towards big money donors, a Senate that gives little Wyoming as much say as California, and a really ridiculous electoral college system for Presidential elections that is heavily biased towards the right wing given our states’ current composition, Dems would have a much more comfortable majority in this country nationally. Just look at the popular vote if you don’t believe that.
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MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  Agave
Given the country’s demographic crisis, locations that can attract people will be the big winners and all else will be losers. This will become the real political battle over the next 8 years and beyond. People are already voting with their feet.
So much for “everyone is leaving big cities” nonsense.
The solution is to let cities become their own states and let the non-city part of each state reap the nonsense it sows. No more tax revenue from cities, you idiots, you can use “thoughts and prayers” to build your own infrastructure.
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Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
Most big cities no longer make things but provide services to those areas where things are made and operated. The profits are “booked” in cities because that is where the headquarters are.
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
YOU sound like a marxist leninist.
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Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
Services are as important as production obviously because one can’t exist without the other and there is nothing wrong with making money. When I say cities provide services to production doesn’t mean restaurants and cafés. It means important things like banking, accounting, management, coding and so forth. All these things make production which takes place outside of the cities these days possible.
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Flyoverstate
Flyoverstate
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
Hope everyone in those BIG CITIES enjoy cannabalism. Everyone will get awful hungry when the “idiots” in the non-city and the truck drivers decide to boycott them. I’d give the cities 3 days before they resort to riots and eating each other.
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xbizo
xbizo
1 year ago
Reply to  Agave
U.S. is a federal republic, not a democracy. The minority is given enough power to stop the majority unless the majority has widespread support, not just concentrated support. The situation is quite similar to the founding days where small states refused to join the federation until they received enough representation not to be overrun by Virginia and other big states.
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RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  Agave
“This is a cult that wants to impose an authoritarian, christofascist
religious state on the majority of us who will never accept that.”
Interesting Democrat fiction.
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TheCaptain
TheCaptain
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
Did trump make people decide between vax or livelihood? NO. Did brandon? Yes. Who is the authoritarian here?
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RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  Agave
“…a Senate that gives little Wyoming as much say as California”
Of coarse it does. In the Senate, each state is the equal of another. The two legislative bodies were designed differently on purpose.
In fact, the Senate was designed to represent the states and the House, the people, as they were chosen differently until a constitutional amendment changed how senators were chosen.
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  Agave
i concur. i live in a black neighborhood of mostly haitian and africans. the ugly truth most old white men in amerika cannot fathom is what an evil empire we are. i voted for the candidates endorsing women’s rights to their bodies. i listened to call ins every morning on CSPAN. it seemed obvious to me, the overturning of Roe, and the Jan 6th violent insurrectionists, and the 2020 TRUMP losing deniers, were voiced by many moderate Rs over the past few months.
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prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
Reply to  Agave
The abortion issue is not about, “women are going to think that control over their bodies being taken away”. It’s about women’s control over an innocent baby’s body that is under their care.
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Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
1 year ago
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Who exactly is bearing the child ? Are you remotely familiar with how a baby is created ?
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MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
“Biggest Loser of the Night Donald Trump”
Mish, you’re analysis is 100% back on.
Now the real tragedy here is no one is talking about how to profit from the political clown show. I picked up shares of NEA and BBN now that we know the red wave was a joke: Build Back Better Baby! I will pick up more after the Fed hikes in December and these tickers likely drop down a bit.
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
BOUGHT TSM and also the USA build back better stocks………it’s the biggest domestic industrial policy plan of tax credits and outright investing since 1930s. and with razor thin Rs in congress those nit wits won’t block the money…………..forget the politics. always follow the money. the FX carry trades are also paying big interest again………been 15 years. short term treasuries. in a year or 2 or 3 i’ll buy some nice credits. be nice life for savers the next decade or two.
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MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
I wish I had your courage. TSM is a steal but I worry about China doing the invasion thing….good luck. I have 100k in T-bills expiring in November, will probably hold cash until next Fed meeting then go back in but it all depends on Thursday’s inflation report.
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
i own some 1 year tbills. great deals. TSM like all my trades including FX go with trailing stop losses ratcheting up percentage wise. i don’t mind losses. as long as they are small. let the winners run.
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xbizo
xbizo
1 year ago
Can Trump raise any money now? Policy good until COVID. Then policy on lockdowns and 2nd stimulus bad. Meglomania bad. Hoping he never gets another dime and that this cleans up the conversation for the 2024 primaries.
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Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Russia announcing that they are withdrawing from Kherson and the right bank of the Dnipro should certainly make for some interesting political speculations.
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MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
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There was speculation Putin was bluffing to create false hope for Ukraine troops to go in with guard down.
But this announcement is new, hope it’s for real, if it is, watch oil prices.
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Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
It’s real because they have no choice if they want to keep their remaining trained troops. Those are the ones heavily engaged there and are still losing.
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StickToEconomics
StickToEconomics
1 year ago

SMH thinking DeSantis is a shoe-in. His queer bill (while very good), will be hammered hard in a General.Right now, It’s debatable whether the Rs even take the House. Until the Fraud is cleaned up in AZ, PA, GA, MI no R has a chance. And if the Ds maintain control . . .God help us.

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RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  StickToEconomics
The American Empire is in decline. China is the rising empire.
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
agree. and a good thing. let’s go back to trying to be a republic.
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Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
“In my lifetime, there were many years where I was told the Europeans will pass us by, the Soviets will bury us, the Japanese will own us and the Chinese will grow beyond us. So far, they’re all wrong.”
Richard Kestenbaum wrote that in Forbes today and it completely mirrors my experience over the years.
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RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
All cycles change phase. It is no longer a unipolar world. The U.S. has peaked. Once at the top, the only direction is down.
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Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
That is just your opinion. I don’t think we have peaked yet which is mine.
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Cocoa
Cocoa
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Think this time around the enemy is destroying us from inside out with polarizing candidates and dark money funding the worst people to run. So not really letting country de jour best us but defeating ourselves
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TheCaptain
TheCaptain
1 year ago
Reply to  Cocoa
A house divided against itself cannot stand and the US is woefully divided.
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
men confuse economics with sports. it’s not a competition for some “dancing with stars award, or super duper bowl”. china can be getting richer as well as us. we can also be devolving and crumbling our world wide empire just like the USSR and UK and French and Spanish empires did. last i looked moscow and london and parish and madrid still pleasant towns to live or visit. our imperial cities of DC/NYC will be here, long after the world wide empire collapses. it’s not sports and recreation. its geopolitical economics and wars……….
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Raj Kumar
Raj Kumar
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
I totally agree Doug78. My money will always be on open liberal societies like the US. I have been bullish about the US for a long time
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Sunriver
Sunriver
1 year ago
Whether right or wrong, the truth is, Trump is just old to run again in 2024. We already have a president who was obviously too old to run in 2020.
DeSantis easily wins the presidency in 2024 against the California governor.
I’m very glad to be a libertarian who votes consistently for candidates that consistently lose their elections. I vote for losers but feel good about my choices.
More importantly, have you seen the Federal Government debt level?
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  Sunriver
i vote like you. but disagree on what’s in future. it will be a trump v biden rematch. same outcome. i wonder if trump, which one will he, concede 2020 or 2028 first ?
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TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Living in Florida I am very pleased with the Red wave that happened here.
DeSantis is now the front runner for the 2024 nomination now and he will give the Republicans the best chance at winning the presidency.
I loved Trump in 2016 because he was a fresh face but it’s obvious now his time has passed as his shtick has gotten old. So has Nancy’s and Joe’s too. We need younger representation at the highest levels of government.
2 years of gridlock is perfect for this country.
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
we haven’t had gridlock in decades. the bubble of money printing is out there. the war funding to war department and MIC is growing………….that’s bipartisanship as hell. good luck betting on gridlock. i hope i’m wrong and you are correct. i really do. but seems a fantasy of a bygone era of when we had any vestige of a republic.
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Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
3 more hurricane seasons until fall 2024. Don’t count your swamps before they hatch.
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8dots
8dots
1 year ago
The D celebrate victory because they survived a tsunami. That’s it.
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
great thing to celebrate. have you thought about surviving a tsunami. i survived and dodged about a dozen bullets in a random drive by mexican cartel gun fight of about 100 shots. it is the most elation one can have in life, to survive a near death experience. in retrospect i’m happy it happened. good for the soul.
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spa sidechats
spa sidechats
1 year ago
Neither DeSantis, Trump or anyone else has the ability to implement the Marcus Aurelius actions needed. Country is too far gone. It’s not all however doom and gloom. External powers are ramping up and will check the welfare states of the west. The large bag of rocks the printing press created can no longer be carried by the few. Once that happens…good times ahead.
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Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  spa sidechats
If we see Biden as a less articulate Marcus Aurelius, then Hunter is a dead ringer for Commodus.
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RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  spa sidechats
Just follow the fall of the Roman Empire, for details. Human nature follows a cyclical path. History rhymes due to cycles of human nature, that repeat over and over again. After all, Globalism is morphing into anti-globalism. Just another economic cycle fulfilling itself.
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MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
“Tonight was a disaster for high profile Trump-backed candidates. There is no other reasonable conclusion.”
I said it on yesterday’s “word of the day” post, I’m in one of the tight districts and I made a concerted effort to vote D.
I no longer hear idea’s or ideology, nor plans from R, all I hear is “stop the steal”.
With Trump threatening to run in 2024 there was no way I’d stay home last night, a Republican majority would be putty in Trump’s hands if he loses in 2 years.
I get a strong “Weimar” vibe in America today, I don’t like it.
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StickToEconomics
StickToEconomics
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
You’ll get it good and hard. Inflation at 9% and that doesn’t matter to you? “Weimar” . . .you voted for it!!!! SMH….
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MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  StickToEconomics
The perceived threat of inflation vs a probable dictatorship that promotes violent means to reach it’s ends.
I’ll take my chances that, IF, Dems “cause inflation”, the Fed will continue raising rates.
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RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
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“The perceived threat of inflation vs a probable dictatorship that promotes violent means to reach it’s ends.”
It was Biden that mandated Covid shots. He is a Democrat.
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MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
I get, that where you’re from a former Soviet state, it might seem like any government mandate is “Communism”, but when hospital morgues were overflowing it wasn’t a bad idea to mandate certain individuals coming into constant public contact be vaccinated, nor was it a bad idea before flying.
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RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
I am originally from upstate New York.
I never said the Covid shot mandate was communism. It was something a dictator would do. Trump put DACA back to congress, which is where it belonged in the first place. The legislature legislates, not the president. It was Obama that violated that with DACA.
Covid was an easily treated virus by the middle of March 2020. Dr. Zelenko figured it out. The FDA obstructed early treatment.
A lot of people died for no good reason. Much of it was the Prep Act Protocol. No one should have been administered Remdesivir, an unsafe drug. Anti inflammatory, Dexamethasone was under dosed and Methyprednisolone was a far better choice. Ventilators had a low survival rate. None of it was designed to save lives.
The Covid shots never were safe or effective. The Tuskegee Experiment comes to mind- on a massive scale.
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PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
Go away Russian troll. Tell Vlad to FO when you next see him. Hopefully in Hades.
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MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
You are not far off about your Weimar remark which is why I’ve told close family and friends to take up temporary (or permanent) residence in a foreign country before the next presidential election. It doesn’t matter who wins, the rise in militantism on both sides won’t end well. And despite what repubs believe that libs aren’t armed, that would be a crucial strategic mistake in underestimating how well armed people on the other side of the equation really are.
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
great advice about armed Ds. the repugs are so naive. i don’t think it comes to any hot civil war. just more and more of the cold civil war, with some re enactment Cosplaying like J6. those boys were violent, but dumb or scared. too dumb or scared, to use their guns or a gallon of kerosene.
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MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
I don’t think it’s going to be anything near that extreme, in fact I think the worst is behind us.
9/11 spawned a wave of anger that was easily manipulated into MIC gains (Cheney and CO.)
2008 spawned another wave that was also redirected into the Tea Party tax cuts for the wealthy and austerity for the rest.
This most recent wave is the reaction to Obama (a black man) as president, it’s fading, this one was exacerbated by Putin’s divisive social media tactics and Trump’s willful participation.
We need the real, original pre-Dixiecrat conservative party back, until it’s base stops getting baited we’re going to keep seeing these angry iterations, but I suspect this wave’s fading, last night seems to show it.
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8dots
8dots
1 year ago
The R chairman of the board is resting in FL. On Jan 6 he lost his guts. He is paying the price. After seven years of killing fire Trump is an impaired, traumatized leader. The D wasted 90% of their ammunition on an ex. They are still obsessed. Trump, Biden and Obama
are old lousy salesmen. The biggest loser of the night is Nancy. Trump will be kicked upstairs. He might be traded for Hunter. Nancy and her FANG, the D most important mouth pcs, with the rest of the crooked media, are paying the price. Since Satya : the $3T ARAMCO replaced AAPL. This country is deeply divided politically and economically. More charismatic candidates will emerge on both sides, but the D depleted their inventory.
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Mish
Mish
1 year ago
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“The D wasted 90% of their ammunition on an ex.”
Seems like the strategy worked to me
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Avery
Avery
1 year ago
I dunno Mish. Public Union thing in Illinois won yesterday. Wouldn’t want some $350,000 / year school superintendent being thrown into a coal mine to work 20 hours a day.
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KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Trumps a big problem for GOP. They need to Bernie Sanders him. He’s popular among 40% of voters, but despised by the other 60%. Not a winning combination.
D did a lot better than expected. Particularly among governors. House will go R and I think R has a decent shot at senate. Think it will come down to GA again and I think the Libertarian votes will mostly go to Walker. But it’s far from certain.
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whirlaway
whirlaway
1 year ago
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I think it is better for the R’s in the longer run if the Senate tally remains 50-50. It is effectively 52-48 for them anyway (because of Manchin and Sinema) and the D’s will be in charge only nominally. Plus, the D’s no longer will have the House so they can’t get anything passed (except war spending).
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
BREAKING NEWS. MEIN FUHRER DRUMPF TO CONCEDE 2020 LOSS
on a serious note. you are wrong. biggest winner of evening is sleepy joe. he’s a lock to complete his domestic industrial policy disbursements(the largest in many decades, percentage wise), and easily cruise to 2024 re election. mein fuhrer, drumpf will be abusing desanctimonious’ wife and family, and he’ll go the way of lyin ted cruz and low energy jeb……………..
inflation is here. no recession. powell gonna keep raising until 2024. sleepy joe does a peace deal with russia and put them on petrodollar. bet on sleepy joe. i won every bet i made last night on all the many bets i made with friends and predict it. listen to the call in shows on CSPAN. it was obvious many many folks were sick of the roe overturned and trump’s jan 6th coup attempt.
glad you found your way out of your nightmare hike. best to always hike the way the native indians hike, using ancient techniques like dropping markings where one hikes. i used to be a cartographer and spent grad school learning to triangulate the old fashioned way with no electronics or fancy gizmos.
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Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
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You should have used your considerable predicting skills not on election results but on the winning lottery ticket number unless of course you have contempt for money and see having a couple of billion of it as unmitigated evil.
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
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the first billion was tough. my second billion inevitable. who famously said that. bet ya don’t know. without the google gizmo.
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Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
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I am of course familiar with all quotes said by all people both famous and obscure.
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
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nah. you have no clue who said it.
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Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
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Just about everyone who has made money has said a version of this quote at one time or another so it neither contains any wisdom nor any utility. It’s just someone saying that once you accumulate capital it is easier to accumulate more which is like “duh”. However I see how you would find the quote attractive because for you the obvious is not obvious.
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MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
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T-Boone Pickens….
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
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i heard it first from one of the Reichman brothers of Canada booze fame. i’m sure pickens lifted that funny and proper quote too, from some ancient king or plantation owner……………….
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
i’ve been punting on politics for about 5 decades with london bookies, and recently with the amerikan online stuff past 20 years. it’s a fun sport. helps with my FX and equity trading. always told my pals, CSPAN the boys swing around trillions and trillions. on CNBC it’s pikers only swinging millions and perhaps billions. just follow the money. makes trading easy. or don’t fight the fed. please LOL. i do nothing but laugh all day. it’s a great circus. to behold.
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Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
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Sure you have and sure you do. We all believe you.
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
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big concern of mine
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Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
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Didn’t I say we all believe you?
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KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
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I think you should bet it all on Biden being re-elected. Should have good odds now. If everything you say comes true, will be easy money.
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
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already have KID. 8 to 1 odds i got, also. the circus is wonderful. panem et circenses forever pax dumbphuckistan. i vote in italia too. makes amerika look tame. my pals in amerika are such frightened little children about government. why do you think italy has 1/3 of their GDP under the table. bottom to top. bond traders to doctors to maids……………
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Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
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I was taught to not leave droppings where they fell but to carry them out with you leaving the trail unpolluted. Always try to go as much as possible before you leave for the hike.
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
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wise words of outdoorsmen. we sailors know, always prepare for the worst, and never sail with any idiots aboard. they are dangerous. but might make chum if the you know what hits the fan.
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Ron Cataldi
Ron Cataldi
1 year ago
Nate Silver was a big winner on this one. He should have taken the bets.
Republicans are going to have trouble winning anything national without the MAGA votes. The demographic problems are real. And their reliance on gerrymandering to protect the little they have could make their eventual collapse precipitous.
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
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nate silver has been great for decades as a sports taut and political taut. i was baffled by mish’s analysis other day. seemed a silly piece. mish is great at real estate analysis. his political punting is really lacking. his fed and interest rate calls abysmal. but i do LOVE his r/e stuff. as a real estate investor for decades i do enjoy the rare guys who can see the long term r/e trends. as a FX and equity trader, and now back to bond trader…….i follow the money. the fed printing……..
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FrankieCarbone
FrankieCarbone
1 year ago
Living in Florida, where both Trump and DeSantis live I can vouch for the biggest difference between Trump and DeSantis.
DeSantis does not need Prozac, nor does his supporters “need a pair” like Trump’s groupies do. Sorry Trumpsters, there is no such thing as a knight in shining armor to come and take the rat away so that you can put your skirts down and get off of the stool.
The pathetic, almost effeminate “Savior Syndrome” of Trump supporters absolutely disgusts me to the core. I don’t know if its cowardice (afraid to take agency for their lives) or cowardice (looking for a recuser to save them) but neither is flattering.
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Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
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You didn’t enumerate the differences between the two at all. Now try to enlighten rather than to obscure.
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
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sure he did DOUG78. you must be hung over.
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Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
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Remove the over and you nailed it.
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
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sorry kid, i’m straight.
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Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
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Me too so there is no reason to be sorry.
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PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  FrankieCarbone
Well put. I rarely comment on politics here. But I am also confused by those who think “Trump will save me”, or “Biden will save me”.
No politician, not even a president, is going to save me.
Which is why I mostly ignore politics and focus on making a better life for myself. Because my actions have a much bigger impact on my own life than any politician ever will.
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
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papa, i’ve been meaning to thank you for your stock analysis. made some great dough with your stuff on energy. thanks again. politics is very important. it is what drives the drilling around the globe, and of course the printing presses around the globe. and the wars which affect the aforementioned energy and food and armaments etc…………businesses. and migrations.
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PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
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You’re welcome! If you’re a winner, I’m a winner. The more winners, the less we have to worry about needing some politician to save us.
Politics is important though. I agree. I follow what politicians actually do, as that can lead to opportunities to. I just don’t get involved in politics on a personal level.
But don’t ignore what companies say and do as well. Companies “normally” act in their own best interests. And right now oil companies are acting to strengthen their balance sheets, spend minimally to maintain their reserves, and reap the reward of high energy prices for many years to come. Which is making their shareholders very happy at a time when most other investments are doing poorly.
Best of luck with your investments. I will continue to post about the best opportunities that I see going forward.
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
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thanks PapaDave. i’m an old accountant and love diving into the companies cash flows……..and of course where they are going……………i have been doing VC investing for decades too. i enjoy getting into the smokey rooms, too, where the gals and fellas are pulling the triggers.
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Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
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There are many that will screw you though, and many have forgotten that.
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
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fantastic take. i have been saying the same. the amerikan MAGA are puzzzzzzzies.
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Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
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Pusillanimous, be-manboobed useless idiots.
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Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
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I think It’s more of a mancrush thing.
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
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daddy issues in maga crowd for sure. they want to be spanked by daddy donald
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8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Trump and Nancy lost. If the economy enter a recession it’s Biden vs Desantis or Youngkin. FL recovery from the hurricane is in Biden
hands.
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Mary
Mary
1 year ago
The other person who helped with the disappointing results was Lindsey Graham. Some people just don’t know when to shut up and get out of the way.
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
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miss lindsay has been wrong on everything good for humanity. from wars to human rights like women’s body control, to torture………..he is beelzebub in drag.
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prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
Some serious TDS going on here. If President Trump endorses a candidate and that candidate loses, then President Trump doesn’t lose as well. He isn’t even a candidate in these elections, so how can he lose?
It’s like when you support a football team and your team loses a match. You don’t personally lose when that happens.
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Ron Cataldi
Ron Cataldi
1 year ago
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Trump helped many of these weak candidates win their primaries. It’s not an accident that people fought for his endorsement tooth and nail. But what works in a primary doesn’t always sell in the general. Trump helped line up a lot of turds for sale.
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Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
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Losers follow losers.

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Mary
Mary
1 year ago
I agree – ignore Trump. Vote with your clicks. Do not click on videos, articles or interviews with Trump. Trump belongs to no party, Trump is all about Trump.
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Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
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You mean the Party is all and that no one outside it should ever be heard?
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Mary
Mary
1 year ago
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No, Doug. I mean Trump is self centered and doesn’t care about the conservative movement. He is as bad as the January 6 committee in his obsession. I watch DeSantis and he always stays on point, Trump always manages to get back to Trump no matter what the issue. Not that Trump is the only one, the senate is a collection of me first politicians.
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Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
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I like DeSantis also and I am from Florida originally. I am impressed about how he handles problems. Trump was a necessary disrupter at the time but that time is over. He should step aside now.
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
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drumpf is a cult hero. his followers are vile humans. amerika has many of them. they did NOT die last night. nor did they improve their darkened souls.
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Ron Cataldi
Ron Cataldi
1 year ago
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Tough for Republicans to win elections without the MAGAs. Maybe they should try winning over blacks, latinos, women, or young people if they don’t want to rely on the crazy far right.
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KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
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No way trump supporters vote D. They’ll just support whoever the new R nominee is.
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Ron Cataldi
Ron Cataldi
1 year ago
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They’ll go back to where they were before Trump: not voting at all.
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Mary
Mary
1 year ago
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Hi Ron, I think Trump, like Hillary drown out the young who stand in the wings waiting for their time in the light. The conservatives can win with the right leadership.
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Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Instead of looking at it as a Red or Blue wave perhaps we should be looking if we have a Moderate Democrat and Republican wave or an Extreme Democrat and Republican wave. That would give us a better handle on what policy will look like going forward.
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StukiMoi
StukiMoi
1 year ago
Well, since every race was about picking between a candidate at best infinitesimally more useful than someone 1/100th as good for the country as a simple Taliban takeover would have been, versus one ditto less useful; it’s hard to get all that excited.
People will still pay more for less. And anyone who can, will still leave. No matter who nominally “won” the clownshow in the manure cellar, will still be no more than yet another clown in a manure cellar.
Ron Paul, with enough of a blowout to not be constrained, would (at least realistically could) have mattered. None of these do in any way at all. Instead, the people of The West is still stuck waiting for Islamists (or possibly a nuclear driven reset…..) to save them. At the far end of a long period of ever increasing criminalisation. None of that changed yesterday. Not even close.
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
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pax amerika. we took over the empire slot that opened from the french and uk. literally. from indochina to mideast………..we are not exceptional. we are doing exactly the same things that all world wide empires do. become over extended militarily world wide, and neglecting the homeland. we have an extremely screwed up homeland. from homeless to druggies, and on and on……………..this is really not too complicated. crumbling empire 101. undergraduate level stuff girls and boys.
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Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
The red wave that wasn’t: 5 takeaways from a disappointing night for the GOP
Donald Trump’s favored candidates prove a drag to Republicans, running well behind others in their party.
11/09/2022 03:31 AM EST
There was no red wave. Republicans, though still poised to take the House, under-performed, while Democrats breathed a huge sigh of relief.
It was a good night for Joe Biden, and a miserable one for Donald Trump.
Here are five takeaways from a midterm election the public polls, unlike two years ago, largely got right:
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prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
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No matter what happened, the Leftist media was going to frame it as a Democratic victory. But to anyone with a brain, losing the House big time is not actually a victory. It was a humiliating defeat for Democrats.
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Ron Cataldi
Ron Cataldi
1 year ago
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It was a historically poor showing for party that lost the presidential election 2 years before.
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
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trump did NOT lose. no concession. no collusion…………….it’s a comedy like idiocracy really. magas are nitwits of the human race. special needs folks.
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Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
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Said the sore loser.
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KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
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I don’t disagree that it was a good night for D, but politico is essentially a mouthpiece for the DNC.
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TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
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In hindsight this might turn out very well for Republicans 2 years down the road. The needed either the house or senate and they appear to have gotten the house.
Meanwhile in the next 2 years is there anyone at all on this blog who thinks things are going to get dramatically better economy wise? As the party in power the Democrats will continue to get the blame for the economy over the next 2 years. Had the Republicans won both houses, they would be on the hook for how things go over the next 2 years.
Plus it should be the final nail in the coffin for a Trump run in 2024.
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whirlaway
whirlaway
1 year ago
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That is what I felt too. Control the House (and it doesn’t matter whether it is 225-210 or 255-180; in the House, the party that has control calls ALL the shots). Let the Senate stay 50-50. The Senate map is very favorable for the R’s in 2024.
And yes, not only is the economy not going to get dramatically better, it could get a lot worse, particularly in Europe. That would be the direct result of the Ukraine disaster, for which the Biden admin and the DONORcrat Party could be held responsible in the 2024 campaign.
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KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
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I agree getting house and senate isn’t much different the getting the house alone. But, senators serve 6 year terms, so it will make it more difficult to get the senate in 2 and 4 years.
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
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if your still caught up in D v R team color pom pom stuff, it’s too late for you. MAGA cult is another story. it’s a pure uadalterated nut job cult. like North Koreans. but on economy, if rates get jacked up for another year and half. and peace deal with russia puts them on the petro dollar. the economy might be rocking and rolling 2 years from today. i personally would like to see most people with ability to get a job. and not be stretched on inflation. i could give 2 hoots if it’s a congress or president with a D or R after their name.
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TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
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I’m not caught up in D vs R since I can’t even vote as a Canadian living here.
But what I do want is competent leadership on the economy (I could care less on matters like abortion). What we have now since Biden took over is abysmal on a level I’ve not seen in decades (since Jimmy Carter) as literally every decision has made things worse. Hence we need to get rid of anyone who is supporting the current economy policies (this included on green energy etc).
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