Boris Johnson 0-1 in the UK parliament losing a Benn Bill Brexit Showdown with Parliament.
This was a vote to allow a vote. The actual vote is tomorrow.
In response, Boris Johnson he will not accept the bill which would force him to seek a Brexit extension until January 31, 2019.
Instead, Johnson tabled a motion for general election.
Jeremy Corbyn says that if Johnson wants an election, he must get the bill passed first.
Jo Swinson, the Liberal Democrat leader backs the idea of an election, but not before MPs have removed the risk of the UK crashing out of the EU without a deal.
Johnson’s Statement
Let there be no doubt about the consequences of this vote tonight. It means that parliament is on the brink of wrecking any deal we might be able to strike in Brussels.
Because tomorrow’s bill would hand control of the negotiations to the EU. And that would mean more dither, more delay, more confusion. And it would mean that the EU themselves would be able decide how long to keep this country in the EU.
And since I refuse to go along with that plan we are going to have to make a choice. I don’t want an election. The public don’t want an election. But if the House votes for this bill tomorrow, the public will have to choose who goes to Brussels on October 17 to sort this out and take this country forward.
Everyone will know if the Rt Hon Gentleman [Jeremy Corbyn] is the prime minister, he will go to Brussels, he will beg for an extension, you will accept whatever Brussels demands and we’ll have years more arguments over Brexit.
And by contrast, everyone will know that if I am prime minister, I will go to Brussels, I will go for a deal and get a deal but if they won’t do a deal we will leave anyway on 31 October.
The people of this country will have to choose.
The leader of the Opposition has been begging for an election for two years. I don’t want an election but if MPs vote tomorrow to stop the negotiations and to compel another pointless delay of Brexit, potentially for years, then that will be the only way to resolve this.
I can confirm that tonight we will are tabling a motion under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act.
What’s Next?
If the bill passes tomorrow, it goes to the House of Lords where it will be debated.
First, Johnson will attempt a filibuster. However, there may be enough votes to take away that option. Also if the bill is amended in any form, it will go back to Commons for approval.
Assuming those options fail, Johnson may seek the extension but only on condition Parliament agrees to his request for elections.
Another possibility is to simply not honor the request. If Johnson delays until September 10, Parliament will not be in session again until October 14.
Meanwhile any Tory who votes against the government tomorrow will be outed from the party.
21 Tories Rebel
No Second Chance – Update
Andrea Leadsom said the rebels would be given a second chance tomorrow.
The Guardian just posted this update.
Mark Spencer, the chief whip, has been ringing the Tory rebels telling them they are having the whip withdrawn, we’ve been told. Philip Hammond, the former chancellor, has already had the call. As of now, he is technically no longer a Conservative MP.
All 21 Rebel MPs were just kicked out of the Tory party.
Most of those rebels will lose their seats in the next election.
Price to Pay
Expect a Landslide
When the elections do take place, it is highly likely Johnson teams up with Nigel Farage.
If so, I suggest he will win in a landslide given the first-past-the-post rules (the person with the most vote wins).
The Remainers are horribly split. Labour may even fall to third place.
Blame the Ramainers
If Johnson wins a majority, No Deal will happen as the Remainer Tories will lose their seats.
Finally, prepare to blame the Remainers for not allowing Johnson to attempt to work out a deal with the EU.
Addendum
If @BorisJohnson confirms that 21 Remainer Tory rebels will be kicked out of the party, that would be an act of real leadership.
— Nigel Farage (@Nigel_Farage) September 3, 2019
The mayor of London and avowed remain supporter, Sadiq Khan, has described tonight’s vote as a “first step towards stopping Boris Johnson’s no-deal Brexit”.
However, we are not over the line yet. It is now absolutely vital that this Bill is passed by both Houses, and that Boris Johnson ensures it receives Royal assent and then agrees to abide by it.
The addendum confirms two things:
- Johnson is likely to work with Farage if he needs to
- Johnson may delay Royal Assent until October 14, unless Cobyn agrees to new elections sooner rather than later.
I believe the Johnson team was prepared for this outcome. Amusingly, it is possible they wanted this outcome!
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
Politicians and bureaucrats consider the EU’s institutions valuable sinecures where they can earn huge salaries and get incredible perks (all tax-free) in their “second career”. Brexit is taking access to this valuable trough away. Hence the split between the citizenry and the political class over Brexit.
Hanlon’s razor: “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
I fail to understand the rebels. Tying Johnston hands is tantamount with forfeiting bargaining power.
That’s, one can explain their behavior as stupidity, being remainers or bribed.
There is no bargaining going on. The liars chief of staff has admitted that it is a sham designed to run down the clock. What you don’t understand is that Johnson is an inveterate liar and no one trusts him. Think Trump on steroids.
There will not be a second referendum.
Lib Dems do not want one and Tories don’t want one
For that matter, the public does not one one either
approximately zero chance
Elections are coming to settle this. The election will be the 2nd referendum- to stop Brexit, the LibDems/Labour/Greens will have to win a coalition forming majority. This was never about Brexit with a Deal or No Deal- it has always been about preventing Brexit altogether- the Remainers in Parliament just can’t bring themselves to state this baldly, so you get shit like this mandated delay. I think Johnson is going to force them to run against Brexit in an election, and that is the thing they fear the most.
Mish trying to put a positive spin on BoJo’s defeat. Let’s be clear – it was a defeat for BoJo. And nobody knows how things are going to play out going forward.
I’ve seen this movie! The ship hits an iceberg, and there is a big debate whether to remain aboard or exit to lifeboats. The ship is supposedly unsinkable, and the water is cold. Lots of bickering, the lifeboats leave half empty even though the ship’s bow is clearly getting lower in the water. I don’t want to give away the ending for anyone who didn’t see it, but it ends badly for people who remain.
While the politicians fiddle, their constituents in the Bahamas (which is in fact a British territory) have just endured 15 hours of a category 5 hurricane and desperately need help from their imperial capital.
Don’t worry, US citizens are incredibly generous and we will help the Bahamas since London can’t or won’t. The US Coast Guard is already on site. US Navy ships are en route with food, medical supplies and tents. Private boats in Florida are stocking up with supplies to bring over early tomorrow morning.
Both Walmart and Amazon are shipping in extra food and bottled water — the socialist will complain about both companies despite this. Lowes and Home Depot shipped in extra plywood and tarps and other repair items, the socialists will complain about that too. And the unofficial Cajin Navy is already gearing up to help people in coastal Georgia and the Carolinas when the storm reaches there.
The world will complain that the USA doesn’t waste enough money propping up the UN bureaucracy, as many (most?) US citizens prefer to help via private entities that are much more efficient. The US military, despite the frequent misadventures Washington DC sends them out on, will provide logistics and medical help even though the Bahamas is not a US territory.
London can continue bickering over whether to abandon the EU ship that is clearly sinking with or without the UK aboard.
Speaking only for myself, I am horrified to show my Irish passport because it says Ireland/European Union on the cover. I do not want to be associated in any way with that evil construct called the EU. It is going to implode, we all know it will, it will just implode all the sooner without Britain to leech off of.
This was treason. There is no better word for it. After an European MP election with massive victories for the Brexit Party, these rebellious Tories should have known better. They are not betraying only their country, but also their party, which must now fight for survival too. Seriously, the UK might not be even a country in a few years with these plans for total European integration. In fact, I feel that this is a fight for democracy worldwide as the EU is an multicnational organization. It is then clear that it’d more difficult for any European country to exit the EU in the future with the Lisbon Treaty coming into full effect, from what I understand. I think Italy has already cowered.
In any instance, I hope that even though the Lords are overwhelmingly Remainers (no surprise there), the few of them who are pro-democracy will try to filibuster (I think this is the right word) their Chamber so they will take whatever time is necessary to “discuss” this anti-democratic law. I think they’ll need to use one week. This might be more wishful thinking than anything else, as the Globalist have bought most politicians in the UK.
” In fact, I feel that this is a fight for democracy worldwide as the EU is an multinational organization.”
O please stop being so melodramatic. If the EU is out for global domination what is the US for? BTW I haven’t seen a war in the middle east that the US ask you to fight that you don’t fight. The UK stopped being an independent country looooooong ago.
Correct about the country but not the people.
This explains the current mess as its now Parlisment (makes decisions for the country) vs People.
How it plays out will be a template for others to follow.
Oh please stop talking about “the people” as if they were “good” and “infallible”. We elect leaders to lead not just to blindly follow the “people’s will”. For example: “the will of the people” in the South was to keep slaves. I think it is a good thing that the leaders of the time said: “the hell with the will of the people”. I expect the leaders to lead and yes I also expect the will of the people to pressure those leaders in many directions.
And replace them if they dont follow the will of the people.
Blind faith in leadership, we know where that leads.
A leadership with a deep healthy fear of the people is no bad thing. It’s good to make the b’stards sweat.
No bad thing if they are held responsible for their policies once out of office too. Pay more when in office, call back on poor.outcomes to policy to give account.
Agree
Good when we can agree on some stuff.
This IS a fight for democracy, or better, limited government and individual rights worldwide. There is a movement across Western civilization toward one worldwide government, thus, Corbyn’s desire to make the UK a vassal state of the UK without representation. And then there is Obama and H. Clinton plunging the Middle East and North Africa into chaos, creating the huge invasion of Europe from the south, with the EU WELCOMING the invaders. If you don’t want to call it an invasion, then why are there Muslim populated areas across Europe where the police will not go? This land has been ceded to invaders.
Then there are the open border folks everywhere.
All of this is contrary to the best interests of the natives of these countries. But, these things do weaken Western culture and create social problems that will just beg to be solved with more government. It appears to me to be a loose coalition of the international socialist movement and multinational corporations ans banks. I’m totally dismayed by this. Such as this have been total failures in the past. 100 percent failure. This will fail too, but the associated generations of human suffering, famine and mass murder will be unimaginable.
Seriously, do you want to live in a worldwide totalitarian state? What kind would you like Soviet style? North Korean style? NAZI style? Is one better than the rest?
The amazing thing is Remainers can’t understand they will eventually lose their political voice / freedoms the longer Britain stays in the EU.
Statists have never minded losing their own rights, as long as Dear Leader promises them that their neighbors will lose even more of theirs. They have never been anything more than a coalition of the perennially petty.
Remainers are a particularly stupid bunch. Intellectually bankrupt, but you know, their College degrees tell them otherwise 😉
Mish, I’m pretty sure they wanted this outcome.
Lets just say old donors who gave up under May were contacted to help fund a “Campaign Force” post May. Money to fight an upcoming “expected and being planned for” election.
Not only that but some dissenters were invited for a chat where they expected to be molly-cuddled. They had a shock as they were given a severe dressing down. Humiliated to let them know its serious, almost inviting them to vote against the Gov. The outcome was not unexpected, nor was removal of the whip.
A revolution of sorts and any attempt to control it will fail.
No middle, full on Remain or Leave.
No one can say where the pieces will land.
Removing the dissenting MPs and breaking convention to stand against Bercow shows how very serious this is.
Tories will be fighting for survival and that makes them very dangerous.
It’s not the longest surviving political party by accident.
It is 1846 again. Intelligent Tories will go to the Libdems, the dumb will stay. RIP the Conservative party. What a lot of people don’t understand about British politics is that both main parties are such broad churches that there is always a race to see which party falls apart first. Rees-Mogg and Johnson have handled things so badly that they really have broken the ties that bind.
Wait and see. Local constituencies will sort out who they want to stand. Without the whip the dissenters can’t stand as Tories and many Tories will vote on party lines to avoid a Corbyn government.
In many cases no whip = no seat, but still a Tory majority for whomever is the new name.
A pro-Brexit name is being selected to stand against Bercow.
No intelligent Briton wants to stay in what the EU has become, and is becoming ever more of: Another perpetually growing, meddling leechocracy, on top of the one they already have to put up with in London.
The Original EC was arguably a great boon to a splintered Europe caught between two superpowers. Doubly so, given the recent demonstration, for the second time in a few generations, that a Germany without very close and precious ties to the rest of Europe, is just a powder keg ready to blow up again and again.
But like all fledging and idealistic institutions, que the US Federal government, which are always a net positive specifically because they are very strictly limited: Once those benefiting from manipulations of the institutional machinery itself, rather than simply the stability and predictability a bit of a framework bring to an otherwise often chaotic world, take control; what were once useful institutions, inevitably become nothing more than budding totalitarian privilege peddlers. Feeding off the people who once supported them, in order for themselves and their social circle of leeching hangers-on to live large at the expense of others.
The EU is there now. Like the US Federal government. Neither serving any positive purpose whatsoever anymore (aside from, perhaps, maintaining the US nuclear stockpile in the case of the US govt…) The sooner people under their increasingly thuggish boot get out, the better off they will be. Things will only get worse as time goes by, as witnessed by negative interest rates and other straight up crimes against humanity. Britain has a chance to beat the rush for the exit. No Briton even remotely intelligent, will fail to grasp the importance of doing so.
Lol. Looser much?
Lol English know?