The final YouGov poll on the European Parliament elections for the UK is in.
UK, YouGov poll:
European Election
BREX-EFDD: 37% (+3)
LDEM-ALDE: 19% (+2)
LAB-S&D: 13% (-2)
GREENS-G/EFA: 12% (+1)
CON-ECR: 7% (-2)+/- 8-17 May 2019
Field work: N/A
Sample size: N/A#EP2019 #Brexit pic.twitter.com/7fgqGszsjX— Europe Elects (@EuropeElects) May 21, 2019
Some will be shocked. I am not.
Beyond Embarrassment
Theresa May truly embarrassed herself today.
Her Meaningful Vote 4 Speech Flopped Splendidly.
She tried to reach out to everyone at the same, offending everyone. May has changed her tune so many times, who the hell even knows what she wants?
The best summation I can come up with is “Any deal is better than no deal“.
Labour
Please be serious.
Jeremy Corbyn is just like Theresa May. He wants to “honor” Brexit, by not doing it.
Two Peas in a Pod
Corbyn is simultaneously for and against another referendum, just like Theresa May!
Despite how they pretend, they are in bed with each other.
Another Poll Needed
YouGov needs another poll: Who is more pathetic? Theresa May or Jeremy Corbyn?
From where I sit, it’s a close call.
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
If I read the chart above correctly, it would appear that both Labor and Conservatives are losing popularity through inaction. Those that favor Brexit are moving to the Brexit party. Those that favor remain are moving to LDEM and the Greens. When I look at the chart above, I see 37% for Brexit, 31% for Remain, and 20% for Delay and continue business as usual. None have a majority.
That’s what happens when you take a firm position the public favors.
Really Mish?… so 37% want to leave and the rest? And you call that: position the public favors
So me thinks a new referendum will be won by staying. But sure I know your answer: They voted they should not be allowed to vote again because in your book democracy counts when the vote goes your way. BTW the Brits will be worst of after they leave and I mean the regular people and not the politicians.
“So me thinks a new referendum will be won by staying.”
A new referendum cannot be won. All it can achieve is the loss of democracy.
When we voted we were told that this referendum would decide if we stayed in the EU or not. We were not told that it would be the second referendum that would count. If we had been told that we wouldnt have voted in the first referendum.
The point of a referendum is to get a decision, decided directly by the people and not the elected body. We have a decision. What would a second referendum achieve? Either the same decision again, or a different decision. Neither is good. One means that we have wasted everyone’s time by getting the same result twice, the latter would bring about chaos as we would have two different results.
And the people I know wouldnt bother to vote in a second referendum. What is the point? If they dont enact the result of the first one, there is no reason to believe that the second one would be respected either.
“the Brits will be worst of after they leave and I mean the regular people and not the politicians”
100% wrong. The politicians will be worse off because we will have removed an unnecessary layer of government. Even the Leave campaign recognised that ordinary people would be better off if we left. Controlling immigration will see higher wages and lower land prices. It is lower wages and higher rents that are squeezing the ordinary working Brit more than anything. It is exactly this that has led to ordinary people getting poorer during the disastrous time of our EU membership.
“But sure I know your answer: They voted they should not be allowed to vote again because in your book democracy counts when the vote goes your way.”
In democracy, the loser does not dictate the outcome. Remain lost.
And therefore never again will the people be allowed to vote on this. Basically the people can not change their mind. God forbid.
They’ll be allowed to vote again, AFTER the decision of the first vote is implemented. (Which should have been the day, or at most month, after the vote, but playas will play and dumbs will dumb, so here we are….)
“Leave the EU” and “Remain in the EU” are not paralellizable. You can’t run them both simultaneously, unless you split up the country. Which means you have to serialize. First, implement the “Leave” decision. Only then, can you schedule something else dependent on full access to the same resources…. Like for example, a reentry process.
“Leave the EU” and “Remain in the EU” are not paralellizable.
Based on your rules or there was a memo I missed about that rule…
Try leaving your house and remaining there at the same time…
No but I can tell the realtor that I want to leave and then change my mind. Try harder
The British people haven’t really changed their mind. The losing remainers are trying to change it for them.
Really I can only assume your polling must be way better…
link to wired.co.uk
See the problem with Brexit is that for whatever reason the Brits where thinking that they could negotiate whatever they wanted to keep and leave whatever they wanted to leave as if the EU did not have a opinion. They now realize that the EU is not a menu system where you pick and pay for the items you want and done. So surprise!
“See the problem with Brexit is that for whatever reason the Brits where thinking that they could negotiate whatever they wanted to keep and leave whatever they wanted to leave….”
Not “The Brits.” The British Government. The voters voted to leave. Just leave. Not “keep”, nor “negotiate”, nor anything else. Just leave.
The voters voted to leave. Just leave. Not “keep”, nor “negotiate”, nor anything else
Again how does Northern Ireland fits on your just leave narrative
I guess they can pick and choose whether to go through with independence from the UK or not. Really has no greater relevance to the Brexit vote than whether some city, neighborhood nor household somewhere, voted to leave or stay. The aggregate body of voters in the UK voted to leave. The internal breakdown of those votes are irrelevant.
Brits were asked to vote for whether to leave or remain. The chose leave. They weren’t asked whether they supported “negotiating” for four decades, so that they could then be asked whether to remain and leave again. Or about whether they wanted to leave unless some yahoo could drum up imaginary hobgoblins supposedly mean to pets. They just voted to leave. Period.
None of which mean the Nordies can’t engage themselves in something entirely different, like leaving the UK and to join the Faroes, eat pinecones, or whatever. It just means that the UK voted to leave.
But you can’t change your mind, while still honoring the outcome of the first decision.
We were not allowed a say for 41 years.
How many meaningful votes will it take, Carlos? May is on number 4 now. Funny how the meaningful votes haven’t stopped because May hasn’t gotten her way yet. If May gets HER way on number 4, there won’t be a number 5. Why not? shouldn’t that be allowed, too?
Camron only allowed the original Brexit referendum because he thought it would fail. When the Scotish referendum failed, he said that wouldn’t be allowed to happen again for a long time, as it came so close to passage.
Project Fear was designed to make the British afraid to leave the EU. It was designed to cause them to vote in a way that may have been detrimental to their self interest. Jamie Dimon tried to scare the British workers at JP Morgan into voting the way he wanted them to vote. Obama did the same thing, meddling in a British election for his benefit, not the British people.
Strange days when The Mish holds the same POV as Pat Buchanan. As the ROW slowly catches up…..
No need to be surprise if there is a constant about Mish is the fact that he will contort all his know principles to accommodate his opinion. I mean he claims to be a libertarian yet I am still waiting for him to write about the call for impeachment by a republican libertarian. Then again, i may be that Trump is his model of libertarian.
” Then again, i may be that Trump is his model of libertarian.”
Considering Mish’s criticism of Trump over trade, i fail to see the logic in your statement.
Since he ran, Trump has been the target of obstruction committed by others in the government. AG Barr is getting to the bottom of what has been going on. The actual obsructors are now pointing fingers at each other, as the truth comes out.
Since he ran, Trump has been the target of obstruction committed by others in the government.
Sure poor Trump the victim….
And by the way my argument was and is that even though Mish claim to be a libertarian I am yet to hear what he thinks about the Republican libertarian asking for impeachment. Stop misdirecting please
Yes, Trump is the victim of an illegal plot against him. Odd that you think that is okay.
Hillary was investigated for years. Obama was accused of being born in Kenya. The senate took the liberty to deny a hearing to Obamas supreme court candidate. please spare me the holier-than-thou attitude.
Pleased to see that everyone can now see the game that they were playing in Parliament. Pretend chaos to buy time and mask the fact that they had no intention of getting us out of the EU. Few can no doubt too the other big lie, that it would be economically disastrous to leave. Without that untruth, there was no fig leaf of justification for not having a hard Brexit.
What will happen next? It is amazing and sad to find that there are so many politicos and voters who love the EU more than democracy. They need to be careful what they wish for.
My mother, an American who moved to Cornwall, UK in the early 1980s, HATED the EU. She worked ardently for Nigel Farage’s UKIP Party for more than 20 years. She passed away just before the last Brexit vote, but I could feel her happiness when it was passed.
Now three years later and nothing has been done, it only proves that voting has no value. It is near time to bring out the pitchforks and use them on these conniving slimy lying POS politicians.
snow dog that is great!