35% of the population of CA (14 million people) are on Medicaid! 35%!! Say what?
Casual_Observer2020
2 years ago
Illegal or not, if someone pays into the federal and state tax system, they should get benefits. If you don’t pay, you don’t receive anything. There needs to be a crackdown on money under the table. It simply is used by people to get out of paying taxes but they still claim benefits. This is irrespective of the they are legal or illegal immigrants.
RonJ
2 years ago
Nancy Pelosi rumored to be looking for property in Florida. She is apparently worth over 300 million, and it may be that she is looking not to pay for her nephew’s planned single payer medical system.
Medicaid is 77% funded by the federal government, so how in HELL can a governor have authority to provide healthcare benefits to foreign nationals illegally in this country? Shouldn’t our senators and representatives stop this? Or the DOJ? Or someone? Is this a job for the citizen militia?
Christoball
2 years ago
I believe Obama care caps out Insurance company profit at %10. This is a cost plus pricing scheme that incentivizes high medical costs. The higher the bill the higher the net %10 is for the insurance company. Insurance companies can only take %10 of the pie so the pie just gets made bigger and bigger. Health care cost are %21 of GDP and growing. Imagine the having %2.1 of GDP in your pocket. Imagine the slush fund that the other $18.9 of GDP constitutes.
RonJ
2 years ago
Zero Hedge: “California Folds; Says Asymptomatic COVID-Positive Health Workers Can Get Back To Work Amid Shortages”
“Healthcare workers and patients need the protection of clear
rules guided by strong science. Allowing employers to bring back workers
who may still be infectious is one of the worst ideas I have heard
during this pandemic, and that’s really saying something,” Bob Schoonover, the head of union SEIU California, link to sacramento.cbslocal.com CBS Sacramento.
So, health care workers were mandated to be vaccinated, and those not, fired, but now understaffed, vaxxed, Covid positive medical personnel, may treat patients.
Carl_R
2 years ago
There will be come people who move to California because of the plan, and others that leave California because of it. One of the great strengths of our Federal system is that each state can individually carve out policies that attract the kind of people they want to attract, and which drive away the people who they want to leave. It’s basically a competition between the various states in many unspoken ways. Some states have no income tax to attract people. Others use benefits to businesses to attract people. Still others use benefits to individuals to attract people. It all works out in the end, so there is no reason to get excited about what path some other state takes.
Yeah, the people will come to California who don’t work and get on MediCal which is the state’s welfare system. The working tax donkeys will pay for it-again. This is another liberal’s wet dream and another nail in the coffin for California.
We got all kinds of water issues, transportation issues (not safe for one) and other infrastructure that needs work. How about expanding health care for the working people of the state like the shrinking Middle Class. No, instead Newsome focuses on the takers.
At my work, I see all kinds of welfare bums that don’t want to work and haven’t worked for years. I see this in the streets. This is why people are leaving the state and you stupid liberals are whining about living in third world conditions in many cities with homeless and crime. I came here to California in early 2000 and seen such an increase in the homeless and begging it’s like I’m in India or something.
Do us all a favor liberal Californians. Don’t move. Stay here in your rotten fantasyland and keep destroying it. Nobody likes you nor wants you.
All welfare programs are at least partly funded by the federal government, so when one state does something like this, the other 49 are having to participate in its funding. In the case of Medicaid, 77% is paid for by taxpayers in the other 49 states.
PreCambrian
2 years ago
I live in California and most would consider me liberal (although I don’t think so). This is a bad plan, has very bad optics, and will draw people across the border that can’t get proper healthcare elsewhere. Taxes are already quite high along with the cost of living and this will just be a huge issue during any election. I can tell you that when I travel to Mexico, Central America, and South America, I do not get any free healthcare (although in most places it is so much cheaper it seems like it is free). No one is denied emergency healthcare.
That said I do acknowledge the role of illegal employment in drawing people across the border, I would like to see the system tightened with real penalties for those who employ illegal aliens (which would result eventually in some type of legal immigrant worker program with actual legal healthcare).
Perhaps some sort of barrier at the border to prevent illegal immigration would be in order…
brian henry
2 years ago
Need to understand Newsomm wants their votes to win, and any one can vote from home. Each illegal can vote 10 times or 100 times, and faked Republican politician like Larry Elder will assist Newsomm to stop other Republican candidates.
Tony Bennett
2 years ago
“Once fully implemented, the Medi-Cal expansion is expected to cost about $2.2 billion a year, Mr. Newsom said. The proposed spending is possible in part due to a $45.7 billion state budget surplus that is projected for the fiscal year that begins in July, due in part to growing receipts from high-income earners who pay a large share of state income and capital-gains taxes.”
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Wow. Talk about STOOPID.
1) The $2.2 billion / year? I’ll take the Over. Waayyy OVER. Folks will come from all over. Not just undocumented workers entering country, but from undocumented workers in other states. When you hand out free $$s. Expect mass inflow to partake.
2) The Everything Bubble has been extremely kind to the high-income earners. When the Bubble (finally) bursts? Who is going to pay …especially, if those tax donkeys decide to get out of Dodge?
At 5K/person/year in medical insurances, 6M illegal residents will cost 30B per year. This does not include around millions from South America coming every year.
And again, this hurts all American taxpayers, since 77% of Medicaid is funded by matching federal money.
RonJ
2 years ago
The government obstructs medical treatment for Covid-19. The government is corrupt. Some of you here want a corrupt government run single payer system?
Ezekiel Emmanual said that anyone over 75 should opt only for pallative care. He also supports something called Complete Lives System, treatment based on age. Your worth to The State. What are you worth to The State today, what are you worth to them tomorrow? Ezechial is effectively saying that at 75, your worth to The State, is ZERO. Die off, already. Preferably sooner.
I watched a video last night, of a Brazilian newscaster, who had a heart attack, live on air. Apparently recently Covax boosted. Apparently had 5 heart attacks on the way to the hospital. Say the mass formation mantra, “safe and effective.”
Fox is saying Viagra cures Covid now. They’re really leaning into the penis pill salesman thing. You should get in on this. It’s peak kooky, and we all see how passionate you are about letting your kook flag fly at even the most tangential reference to your kooky obsession.
I don’t need Molnupriavir, a mutagenic, that will do who knows what damage to my body. I don’t need Paxlovid, either. Quercetin+zinc substitutes for government obstructed Hydroxychloroquine+zinc. No medical treatment needed.
If you want to talk about kooky, you should talk about the governments kooky obsession with mass vaccination that doesn’t prevent people from getting Covid-19. Kooky of them.
No one said Viagra cures covid. Stop this nonsense BS you frequently post. They had a medical correspondent say there’s some evidence it may help and went on to describe why it wouldn’t be surprising.
… and what I said. Only difference is the spin.Ordered a case of little blue pills yet, or did you already have a supply?
Zardoz
2 years ago
Kind of practical… their bill gets covered at the emergency room anyway… but the ride home should be a bus to Mexico. They aren’t undocumented… they’re ILLEGAL.
The problem is medicare AT all. Not FOR all. If one absolutely has to have the former, then having it only for some, makes even less sense. As if government ever made sense in the first place…
When the liberals demand “Medicare for all”, they don’t mean it. Medicare: legal working people and their employers pay for it all your working life until to stop work. When eligible at 65 only Part A is covered by the government. You pay for Part B. Then to have decent coverage, you personally buy a supplement. That’s not what they want. They just want it to be free. Please tell me who pays for free.
The same people who pay to not only make up for; but to, in fact, several times over make up for; the inevitable natural depreciation that all the leeching classes’ houses go through as they sit there withering in the weather: Productive people.
Only people producing real value; aka competent, productive people; are in any position to pay for anything. And, such competent, productive people producing real value, have no need for any government robbing others, in order to obtain any value for themselves.
But, since producing value is hard for those who are dumb and incompetent: Government is formed. In order to take value produced by the productive. And hand it to useless leeches too dumb and incompetent to be productive (as well as those who are barred from being productive)…..
A tiny bit of the proceeds of the theft, the government then hands out in the form of “free” breadcrumb level services to destitutes. With the vast, overwhelming majority of it, being handed out in the form of “asset” “appreciation,” to members of the useless but connected leeching classes. In return for them contributing noting of value at all.
Aka: Robbing the competent and productive, for the benefit of the incompetent and connected. That’s the operational definition of all unlimited government of the kind currently running America.
KidHorn
2 years ago
Anything to entice illegals across the US border so they can eventually vote for democrats.
Of course, the real problem with health care is it costs way too much. Not insurance costs being too high. If costs were reduced, insurance costs would come down and illegals could afford to pay cash for most medical necessities. But, since the pharmaceutical industry owns both sides of the aisle, this will never be addressed or even mentioned.
I have no problem if Califoria expands Medicaid to illegal immigrants because that decision is in the domain of the states. There are a couple of problems with it although. Half of Medicaid financing comes from the Federal government so the money needed for the added coverage should come from the state’s sources and not that of the Federal government. Along that line we should get ride of all the SALT tax reductions because it is just a tax break for people who don’t need it and it encourages local governments to overspend without having to increase taxes to pay for it.
Where else they gonna get people to cut broccoli 10 hours a day for 8 bucks an hour. I worked in AG for a while. There’s no way farmers are gonna pay 15.
Can’t they just use one of Mish’s self-driving cars to cut the broccoli?
Greggg
2 years ago
Well isn’t that like a benefit system for universal basic income. Yep it’s nuts and so is anybody that believes in Newsome and his like. Remember the attempt (fake) the Republicans paraded in 2017? This is the enshrined national health care implementation.
Eddie_T
2 years ago
Unfortunately the free market never will fix healthcare. The reasons are many. How much time do you have? I could expound on this subject for quite a while. I’ve been a healthcare provider for 35 years, and I’ve seen it go from bad to worse.
Single payer works, if you take the middle men (Big Insurance) out of it, but they are far too powerful to let that happen.
I’m not in favor of extending benefits to illegals, fwiw. but the idea that corporations and Big Insurance can do the best job is ridiculous. They’ve already become powerful monopolies that answer to no one. It won’t be fixed, in Cali or anywhere else.
Single payer does work. The bloated medical insurance industry is an economic rent held in place only through their power over legislators. We really have to tackle the corruptive influences on government from all these various mobbies.
Well, single payer in the US doesn’t help with costs. The USG spends about half of US health spending. So, current medicare-medicaid-VA is what you get for what advocates of single payer systems say other countries spend.
There could be some very nice aspects of having a single payer system. Data analysis comes to mind. But cost is not one of them. Monopolies can be cheap. But that’s because they don’t have to advertise or even pay much attention to their customers.
That assumes that the current Medicaid/Medicare/VA system is pure single-payer. Which is not at all true. First off, there is so much fragmentation even within the USG system which doesn’t exist in other single-payer systems. They are also filled with pro-industry giveaways like Medicare Part D. Also, Medicare is literally dying a death by thousand cuts – like for instance, the so-called Medicare Advantage program, where the private insurers suck money from the government and leave the patients high and dry when they need any expensive health care. Such embedded scams don’t exist in other single-payer systems either.
The private industry’s latest scam is the DCEs (Direct Contracting Entities) which was proposed by the Trump administration and is being implemented by the Biden administration (but remember, Vote Blue No Matter Who 🙂 ) Those sort of scams don’t exist in other single-payer systems either.
The misses father is a foot doctor. They don’t take medicaid/medicare patients at all because they told me they don’t pay enough and they take forever on the claims trying to lower costs. It’s not worth it to them. So they take private insurance only.
If Medicare is single payer, then why is there a Part B premium deducted from my Social Security check, and why am I paying Mutual of Omaha for a supplement and Silverscripts for drug “coverage.” (I put coverage in quotes, because to call any of these Part D policies insurance is a joke on us–and we’re required to buy those policies!)
The incentives for expensive over-treatment of the frail elderly in their last year of life has to be curtailed….that is a social issue that nobody wants to look at. Likewise our policy of saving every defective child so we can support them for life with tax money.
When there are 8 billion of something, they can’t all be precious. We’ve bred ourselves into a gross oversupply. The further we go down that road, the more reasonable eugenics and genocide start to sound.
Then why did we vax all the elderly? Could have let nature take its course 🙂
Eddie is right though. We spend something like 80% of lifetime health care on the final year of someones life. That does indeed need to be reigned in. But it will never be done in a single payer system since all will be equally treated. It can only be done in a private system where the rich can spend their own money as they please extending their life and everyone else gets to die a few months earlier.
I paid for Medicare for nearly fifty years. And my employers matched what I paid. 2.9% of my lifetime earnings went to Medicare before I could sign up as a beneficiary. And then it was only Part A (hospital) and I still had to pay for Part B (doctors) and for Part D to cover about 15% of my prescription medication and for a Supplement called Plan G to help cover deductibles and copay (except for drugs.)
Like Social Security, the plan has always been for the growing next generation to pay for the oldest. However, the next generation for about the last three, has been somewhat smaller AND a smaller portion of those generations actually work and paid taxes. So both Social Security and Medicare take on the appearance of ponzy schemes, especially when you give amnesty to 29 million who came here illegally, then their entire families including elderly come here and are grandfathered into the plans.
Worldwide the median annual household income is $9,700. In the U.S. it’s around $69,000. The NWO wants to take down the U.S. to boost the rest of the world. 29 million illegal aliens in the U.S. is a big step in that direction.
Well, the kicker is knowing when someone is gonna die and when someone is gonna recover from their latest health issue.
There may be cultural things going on there, too. I’m familiar with a culture of “Don’t spend money on fixing my body, because I’m going to die soon, anyway.” But other cultures (and individuals) are more likely to say, “Don’t commit murder. Do anything possible to keep grandma alive.”
So, which culture does this single payer system ascribe to? Mine, of course. I’m sure you will say the same. 🙂
I agree single payer is better than what we currently have, but it’s not the best solution.
There is already a single payer (voluntary) system in the USA that works very very well.
It’s health sharing networks, of which I am a part. Members pay a base rate and share all costs between them. It’s about one eighth the cost of the ACA with far far better coverage. It even includes pre-existing conditions after a year, all prescription costs associated with a necessary treatment, and even covers all pregnancies.
It works precisely because of what you said: It cuts out the middle man. It’s a cash system where members pay each others bills. Its far cheaper since a person who pays cash gets charged, on average, 1/4th of the normal rate. Plus…..there’s no insurance costs to cover as it’s basically a cash system. Since paperwork is about half the cost of medical care these days, that’s a huge savings.
Sharing systems work very very well. My deductible is 500 per event and if it goes over 500 I pay nothing at all. My cost is around 450 a month which is incredibly low and my entire family is covered. There is zero help from the government for this.
IF the government can give a tax credit for kids they can give an incentive to low income people for health insurance if they can’t afford 500 a month. Most nearly everyone can.
My wife had a miscarriage a few months ago and very nearly bled out and died. The cash costs to me were over 20k to save her life, mostly from the emergency room procedures..
I paid exactly zero. Actually, I got paid around 500 bucks because I used a credit card to pay for everything and was reimbursed by my health sharing agency for everything before the credit card bill rolled around. The cash back from the credit card was almost 500 bucks. I don’t want to pass off my wife’s near death experience as a money making event, but in effect, it was.
Health sharing networks are really that good, really do save 80-90 percent on costs and really do greatly increase financial stability of individuals.
The main reason is because Christians were opposed to the ACA funding of abortion that was proposed and is still working its way through the courts. As a result many folks (like myself) joined a Christian health sharing group to avoid that.
Subdividing groups allows for choice. Single payer systems do not. Choice reduces costs as there exists the possibility of reducing costs and incentives for proper health choices. Single payer systems do not grant incentives for choice. I do believe a single payer system is better than what the USA currently has, but has a huge problem with choice and the possibility of government abuse of forcing health choices on people. That has become especially urgent recently. I’m pro vaccine but not pro-forced-vaccine. If people want to be stupid, let them.
Also, Christians have much lower health care costs than the general population due to the reluctance to smoke, do drugs and have abortions.
There are huge health problems for those who do those things eliminating that from a group allows for far cheaper costs for all. Because of lifestyle choices, health costs are far far lower than the general population.
In the particular Health Sharing group I’m in (Christian Healthcare Ministries), which has over a million members now in the USA, there are no sharing of costs associated with smoking\drugs\abortions.
If someone wanted to include those things for coverage there’s nothing stopping them by forming their own health sharing group. Each members contribution would be higher, but still far lower than general health care, due to getting the cash discount (which is normally at least 70%).
Most CHristians do not. SOme do, but under the particular sharing group I’m in any health issues stemming from smoking would NOT be covered.
If someone wanted to create a hypothetical sharing group called “Smoking Christians” they could. Up to the free market. They can do that now and reduce costs by at least 70%.
I don’t see insurance as the problem. It’s not perfect by any means, but insurance companies are held captive by pharmaceutical companies. They charge absurd amounts for their products and have a monopoly. The insurance companies can’t withhold treatment, so they have to pay. And they have to charge a lot to cover their costs.
My wife recently died of cancer and her treatment cost about $500k/yr. Fortunately insurance paid for almost everything. All my deductibles were paid by the drug companies. If a drug company is charging $15k/month for their treatment, they have no problem paying a $4k annual deductible. They don’t want to lose out on $180k/yr because someone can’t afford the deductible. Our oncologist just called the drug company and said we want them to pay the deductible and it was done. Even though we could easily afford it.
Not sure why the US feels it is a good idea that health care be rationed only to the old or those in jobs that cover health insurance. Doesn’t it make sense that we want healthy children and adults – long term a lot cheaper. It is complete insanity that how much health care you have is based on who you work for? And then people wonder why no one wants most low paid jobs. They want benefits. If you are sick – you should have access to health care.
“Unfortunately the free market never will fix healthcare.”
It is government that has screwed up health care. Biden just admitted there is no federal solution to the Covid-19 issue. Without Gain of Function, funded by government, we likely wouldn’t have a Covid-19 problem at all.
The government is running Covid-19 health care, by top down command and control. NO EARLY TREATMENT. No early treatment has cost hundreds of thousands of lives. Hospital is the only treatment supported by the federal government. Remdesivir is a dangerous drug. It can kill you. It is the standard of hospital care for Covid-19. They call a safe drug dangerous, while giving patients a dangerous drug, which has no value to the hospital patient, as the viral stage has run its course already. How screwed up is that?
Very. But that is what the government supports and defends, tooth and nail.
If insurance is the problem, why don’t medical professionals just quit accepting it? If they only accepted cash payment up front the middleman would be left out.
RunnerDan
2 years ago
A truly innovative governor would invite thousands of immigrant doctors and healthcare providers to his state, allow them to set up shop, and withdraw all public support of healthcare. The ensuing price collapse would win him another term.
If people in the US were literate, the lowered prices and greater accessibility would win him another term. But the literacy problem looks to have been solved by public indoctrination…….
Such that, by now, getting a new term requires getting support from deadweight leeches who are too dumb and incompetent to compete, and are therefore instead dependent on the junta barring their more efficient betters from competing with useless little them.
Six000mileyear
2 years ago
Every time a recruiter alerts me to a job opportunity to work in CA, NY, or IL; I tell them taxes and cost of living are too high, and I don’t feel safe.
yooj
2 years ago
The problem isn’t with undocumented immigrants, but with Medicaid. Documented or undocumented, with status or without, is morally irrelevant to a claim for public aid. Any desert should be judged on contribution, not immigration status. Natives who never have held a job and never will and who have never paid tax and never will deserve public aid less than immigrants of any immigration status who work three jobs, 12 hours a day, each day, and who pay tax. Of course, to increase immigration as much as we should, we need to scale back the welfare state for all residents, native and immigrant alike. The existence of expensive public welfare benefit breeds resentment of immigrants who claim them, and provides fuel for nativist demagogues. Immigration is generally good. Public aid programs, generally not so good.
vanderlyn
2 years ago
this is a snore. from sea to shining sea, if you show up at ER, you get health care. same goes for all of civilized world. seems like CA is just going to make it more efficient and let folks bring their kids with the flu go to a doctor instead of ER. probably be really smart in hindsight in a decade.
You don’t get “healthcare” from the ER. They stabilize you, and send you on your way. Let me give you an example: you go to the ER because of abdominal pain. A CT scan reveals a tumor in your bowel. Unless you have an actual obstruction, which is an emergency, they send you on your way with a recommendation to consult a gastroenterologist.
Stan888
2 years ago
The Mexican government can now save a fortune on health care costs by sending their ill citizens to California for free medical care.
Bam_Man
2 years ago
Fake money spewing from a Fed printing press makes possible a lot of mischief.
Until it doesn’t.
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rules guided by strong science. Allowing employers to bring back workers
who may still be infectious is one of the worst ideas I have heard
during this pandemic, and that’s really saying something,” Bob Schoonover, the head of union SEIU California, link to sacramento.cbslocal.com CBS Sacramento.
Fox is saying Viagra cures Covid now. They’re really leaning into the penis pill salesman thing. You should get in on this. It’s peak kooky, and we all see how passionate you are about letting your kook flag fly at even the most tangential reference to your kooky obsession.
… and what I said. Only difference is the spin.Ordered a case of little blue pills yet, or did you already have a supply?
The private industry’s latest scam is the DCEs (Direct Contracting Entities) which was proposed by the Trump administration and is being implemented by the Biden administration (but remember, Vote Blue No Matter Who 🙂 ) Those sort of scams don’t exist in other single-payer systems either.
I agree single payer is better than what we currently have, but it’s not the best solution.
There is already a single payer (voluntary) system in the USA that works very very well.
It’s health sharing networks, of which I am a part. Members pay a base rate and share all costs between them. It’s about one eighth the cost of the ACA with far far better coverage. It even includes pre-existing conditions after a year, all prescription costs associated with a necessary treatment, and even covers all pregnancies.
It works precisely because of what you said: It cuts out the middle man. It’s a cash system where members pay each others bills. Its far cheaper since a person who pays cash gets charged, on average, 1/4th of the normal rate. Plus…..there’s no insurance costs to cover as it’s basically a cash system. Since paperwork is about half the cost of medical care these days, that’s a huge savings.
Sharing systems work very very well. My deductible is 500 per event and if it goes over 500 I pay nothing at all. My cost is around 450 a month which is incredibly low and my entire family is covered. There is zero help from the government for this.
IF the government can give a tax credit for kids they can give an incentive to low income people for health insurance if they can’t afford 500 a month. Most nearly everyone can.
Aren’t most of them religion-based meaning
you have to be a part of a congregation to benefit?
If it works it works.
If you are an atheist, go create your own sharing group for atheists. If you are Muslim, go create one for Muslims.
They work and work extremely well.
Subdividing groups allows for choice. Single payer systems do not. Choice reduces costs as there exists the possibility of reducing costs and incentives for proper health choices. Single payer systems do not grant incentives for choice. I do believe a single payer system is better than what the USA currently has, but has a huge problem with choice and the possibility of government abuse of forcing health choices on people. That has become especially urgent recently. I’m pro vaccine but not pro-forced-vaccine. If people want to be stupid, let them.
If someone wanted to create a hypothetical sharing group called “Smoking Christians” they could. Up to the free market. They can do that now and reduce costs by at least 70%.