Spread in US Appears Inevitable
Please note Health Officials Warn that Spread of Coronavirus in U.S. Appears Inevitable.
“Ultimately we expect we will see community spread in the United States,” Nancy Messonnier, a top official at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told reporters.
“It’s not a question of if this will happen but when this will happen and how many people in this country will have severe illnesses.”
Latest Developments
- A Chinese health official warned that at least 28 days without new cases are needed to be able to say an area is free of the outbreak, raising questions about how long it will take for normal life to resume.
- United Arab Emirates, one of the world’s most critical aviation hubs, saying it would suspend all travel to and from Iran, where authorities confirmed that the death toll has reached at least 15.
- In Iran, an opposition lawmaker and the deputy health minister tested positive for the virus as the death toll there climbed.
“We Can’t Stop This”
ZeroHedge reports Japan Rolls Out New ‘Harm Reduction’ Policy Aimed at Limiting Virus-Related Deaths.
“We shouldn’t have illusions,” said Shigeru Omi, a senior government adviser. “We can’t stop this, but we can try to reduce the speed of expansion and reduce mortality.”
Though the government didn’t explicitly “ban” large events, it asked organizers to consider whether their event was really that necessary.
The new policy does little to clear up the uncertainty surrounding the Tokyo Olympics. But we suspect Japan will wait another month or two before it starts seriously considering what’s next.
Lie of the Day: This is Not a Pandemic
Yesterday I commented Lie of the Day: This is Not a Pandemic
Prepare for Potential Pandemic
The CDC is behind the curve as well as changing its tune and definition routinely.
Yesterday, the WHO removed pandemic from the discussion, today they finally admit countries should prepare for one.
Today they finally admitted something useful: Prepare for a pandemic.
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
The worst thing is the CDC with all its “experts” have not even suggested the US borders be closed immediately to PREVENT the virus’ spread. Instead, the CDC says to PREPARE for it, resulting in unnecessary human suffering.
Info:Nancy is the sister of Rod Rosenstein What ya know
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As for me, I’m not a prepper but in a self-sufficient village in the Greek mountains at the moment, with absolutely all the meat and vegetables we need, population about 30, mostly all related, free flowing water, shotguns, and a single road leading to and from said village. I can’t even imagine a better place for a prepper (if I was one).
But the bad news: I’m due to return to Manila, PH, where 30m people live in a 20 mile radius, in about a month… 🙁 LOL
A lot will happen in a month now (meaning you’re probably still going to be there in 10 yrs time lol) . Nearest house to me is two hundred metres away, have top floor of two (ground and top) with only one stairway as access ( ground floor is unused garage space), and surrounded by endless citrus groves. Good to feel (relatively) secure.
in a months time, NO travel will be possible, so stay where you are….dont even bother trying to go to the air port / guarenteed to get infected there…
Q: How do you know they’re lying?
A: Their lips are moving.
Ive had fedex here almost everyday for the past 2 weeks. I’m thinking walmarts sales are going to be good next quarter. Also, doesn’t the US send HUGE amounts of money to WHO? I say we stop sending them anything they clearly aren’t needed.
The WHO gets bashed a lot around here. I too am disappointed that they have not exactly been a beacon of inspiration during this outbreak. Also, the Director General certainly put his foot in his mouth when he initially criticized countries for evacuations and travel restrictions with regard to China. Whether that view ultimately proves right or wrong, the WHO has a very political job and they should have known better than to directly criticize countries for trying their best to protect themselves and their citizens.
That said, Dr. Anthony Fauci went out of his way in a press interview about 1 week ago to say he thought WHO was doing an excellent job. So, what do I know? Perhaps they are doing an excellent job behind the scenes and they are just bad in front of the cameras.
Still going to be like SARS or MERS imo. People who already have compromised lung or breathing issues will get hit first. Have to wonder openly if this virus was released to create global chaos because of trade disruptions and other issues emanating from China.
It’s funny that you consider me “mild and skeptical”. I suppose by comparison to some of the people I am, but to others around me in real life, I’m crazy and overblown my concern. The biggest place that I differ from people here is that I take the ugly picture painted by the numbers as they are presented, and see no need to imagine even worse things, as the numbers we are given are bad enough.
A couple of days ago, I said “what if there is NOT a hidden iceberg of mild cases”.
Now a WHO official is reassuring us that the epidemic size is not as vast as we think, because there is no iceberg of hidden cases.
Which means a lot more of us are going to die than we thought.
This is Spanish flu.
The global disaster that was the 1917 “Spanish flu” pandemic killed 2.5% (though some estimates exceed 10%).
There is a theory that Spanish flu was so lethal because of the overuse of aspirin, which caused salicylate poisoning. They were giving out lethal doses of aspirin and upping it when the patient got worse. Many of the symptoms described where symptoms of salicylate poisoning not flu.
Apologies – please don’t mind that we discussed you in your presence.
Lol, no offense taken. It’s all good. I respect a lot of the contributors on here, whether I always agree with them or not. I do tend to read a lot of the base information myself, just as you do. I just try to take a calm and reasoned approach, but because I am skeptical of some of the more extreme scenarios doesn’t mean i’m in the “The flu is worse” camp.
I definitely think that sooner or later we are going to have pockets of identified infection in the US, most likely in the next couple weeks.
Carl might seem like a “convert” but I think he has methodically reached his point of view as information came through, and so he has a firm position because he has figured out a lot for himself.
We have a Cautious Observer and a Casual Observer I think, so it is confusing ?
As far as I know, I have been consistent in my position with respect to SARS-CoV-2. I think it is potentially serious, but the majority of people will be okay. I am concerned for the health of older members of my family and the public. Because of the combination of just-in-time businesses that span many continents and high amounts of debt in the financial system, the supply chain disruptions could also be a major economic shock.
I would have more faith in the response of our government agencies in the US if they consistently communicated more detail about how they plan to act as this evolves rather than simply saying, “We got this. It is contained. It will all be okay.” I especially do not like the trial balloons being floated that central banks will lower interest rates and directly QE the stock market if the economy stalls while the COVID-19 cases are in progress. I cannot see how easy money will fix supply constraints caused by a virus, and I think they risk a currency crises if they do that.
There is few I know locally who are taking this seriously. I admonished my own kid for her CV jokes. We are all vunerable, but my own parents are highly susceptible to this, and I’m quite scared for them. Am I a avid prepper? No. But I AM taking it serious and looking to quietly add to our own supplies of home meds and preventative actions.
Exactly. My wife and I have 3 older parents in poor health, and if they were infected, they’d have a much higher chance of it being fatal. For two of them, if I personally got infected, the odds of them getting infected would go up, so I need to be careful as well. Also, if they got infected and needed medical attention, there’s no telling what kind of care they’ll get or if the hospitals will be completely overwhelmed. Scary stuff.
Oh pshaw, no the spread is NOT going to happen. I have Larry Kudlow at CNBC assuring me that all is well and we should buy the dip.
On the same page at CNBC:
Just look at Larry Kudlow’s age. He’s prime food for the virus. He’s like that Deputy Health Minister from Iran. The later first said, there’s nothing to worry about, but now he’s tested positive.
And “subprime is contained.”
Gold is getting monkey hammered today. Safe haven lol
Bond yields are as well. And with the Dow at -604 one minute ago so are commodities.
well its up almost 4 pct mtd, almost 9pct ytd, and almost 25 pct in the last 12 mths
If worse comes to worse you can’t eat rocks. Even worse are the ones that dont actually have it in their hand.
Gold initially got hammered in 2009 as the weak hands liquidated to get cash
The gentlest version of the regime we will be entering will be one where “social distancing” becomes more prevalent and over the next year or so random portions of the world economy will go off-line for a couple of months at a time to address the coronavirus in that region.
Or it could be worse.
Factor that into your plans.
Friday in Lowes got their last box of N95 masks (those are the ones the FBI ordered). Have stocked some of the regular masks, but the N95s MUCH better.
Met a guy on Saturday night (8 pm) in a low-rent industrial park 20 miles away who had some for sale…2 boxes of 50 n95 flexible masks for $80
N95’s are better. But they need to be fitted, and proper hygiene when removed. Social distancing if you can do it is much more effective.
“Social distancing” is fine, except try that when you need to get some groceries or medicine.
“Clear the store of sick people, I’m coming in!”
No, if you are going to the grocery store you are going to take the aspects of hygiene very seriously. You are not going to touch your face, you are going to wash and disinfect your hands, and maybe wear a face mask as well. Social distancing means that you understand the risks and properly remediate.
My wife went to the store where we buy medical equipment. They were out of masks and don’t know when they will get any. She then went to Lowe’s and Home Depot and bought some N95’s. She said she may have got the last couple of packages they had. I heard on the news that the US has 30 million masks (for a population of 325 million+). I assume we don’t have the productive capability of supplying our own needs, much like the fact we can’t supply our own needs for pharmaceuticals, etc.
“Wearing a face mask in a dense crowd is rather like a man taking condoms into a bordello and feeling safe. Nothing about his decision to visit a bordello is safe.” — William Gallaher, virologist
You buddy, William Gallaher also says,…The best defense against nCoV2019 now is common sense. To the greatest degree possible, shield from sneezes and coughs, keep more than 3 to 6 feet away from others as much as possible. Wash hands frequently, and also frequently use hand sanitizer. Avoid crowds when possible. While face masks are protective, too often they give a false sense of security and induce people to take chances they should not…
Note he’s not saying that masks are useless (!), he’s saying that they are protective (!), but can allow people to make foolish choices if they have a false sense of security.
To what end? By the time you put on a mask my guess is you’ve already been exposed. Unless you begin wearing them right now and continue to wear them everyday all day for the next couple years. And then what? Now you don’t have the virus and everyone else has built up antibodies. The minute you remove the mask you’ll probably spontaneously combust. Honestly you probably have more of a chance averting the virus wearing one of those silly inflatable dinosaur suits with the tiny fan providing negative air pressure than a mask.
…The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends that health care workers interacting with a coronavirus patient wear a heavy-duty mask called an N95 respirator. They’re designed to block small particles from entering the nose and mouth….So all of you experts say no to using masks in times of potential contact?
OK, got it.
But really, the idea is to slow the rate of transmission to avoid crashing the medical system.
The higher efficiency the mask, the better (and usually more comfortable) the seal has to be to meet the standard.
Here (in Europe) N95 local supplies ended around a month ago in stores and gave up asking , online as well went awry for various countries. So I ended up with surgical masks, P1 ( European standard 80%) which can still be found, and half face cartridge gas masks with P3 (n100), plus goggles, oversuits, gloves etc. . Buy some hydrogen peroxide (to disinfect masks for reuse by soak , other products likely ruin them, see previous thread I wrote weeks back) and alcohol (not that kind – disinfects about anything else at around 70%, dilute if pure because it works less well pure), as well as the obvious bleach, small hand operated spray bottles, larger pump action sprayer. It’s all not expensive, might be needed.
I am not sure alcohol is good against viruses. Here in NA, they sell a hand sanitizer, Purell (alcohol in gelatine), that only claim to kill up to 99% of bacteria.
“Alcohol (e.g. isopropyl 70% or ethyl alcohol 70%) can be used for surfaces, where the use of bleach is not suitable.”
Under sarscov2
It is mostly for skin disinfect, have to read studies, but the one I read coronavirus was inactive/not detectable after one minute. Please do own research on time though if critical, I looked it up for face mist disinfect for in extreme where there is no secure sanitation or if we get to the point of disinfecting before entry to home as usually you would just go straight to shower ( keep goggles on it stings eyes otherwise…had to test it , mask off if going to reuse it etc. Also don’t use hydrogen peroxide near eyes, this is well known )
I view it like a mask may not be that effective, but if it helps you not touch your nose or mouth, then it can help reduce the risk of infection. I’d also consider some sort of glasses to help you not touch your eyes too.