Covid Hospitalizations Surge Globally, Interesting Comments From Ohio Governor

The lead chart is from Our World in Data.

As amazing as it might seem, even some Republican governors understand the issue and what’s driving it.

Please consider U.S. Hit With Record Number of New Covid-19 Cases

In Ohio, Gov. Mike DeWine on Monday described how he is focused primarily on hospitalizations as opposed to how many people were testing positive for Covid-19, a key metric earlier in the pandemic. More than 5,000 people were hospitalized with Covid-19 in Ohio on Monday, the most since last winter’s surge. However, the difference now is that authorities have a handle on what and who is driving the high inpatient count, with more than 90% of the patients unvaccinated, said Mr. DeWine, a Republican.

We’re seeing the power of the vaccine to keep people out of the hospital,” he said.

New Hampshire Gov. Chris Sununu said he expects data on new infections to become inaccurate because many people won’t report home-testing results to authorities. “The key metric is going to be your hospitalization rate,” he said. “There is no gray area there.”

Republican Governors

  • Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine: “More than 90% of the patients unvaccinated. We’re seeing the power of the vaccine to keep people out of the hospital.” 
  • New Hampshire Gov. Chris Sununu: “The key metric is going to be your hospitalization rate. There is no gray area there.”
  • West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice: “For god’s sake’s a-livin’, how difficult is this to understand?” 
  • Utah Gov. Spencer Cox: “[Anti-vaccine rhetoric] “is ridiculous. It’s dangerous, it’s damaging, and it’s killing people. I mean, it’s literally killing their supporters. And that makes no sense to me.”

Utah Governor

The quotes from the Utah Governor were made back in July. 

For details, please see Republican governor says anti-vaccine rhetoric is ‘killing people’ and denounces ‘propaganda’

West Virginia Governor

In West Virginia, the most Republican state in the nation Gov. Jim Justice had this to say back in September:

“For god’s sake’s a-livin’, how difficult is this to understand? Why in the world do we have to come up with these crazy ideas — and they’re crazy ideas — that the vaccine’s got something in it and its tracing people wherever they go. And the same very people who are saying that are carrying their cell phones around. I mean come on. Come on.”

Truncated, but the governor went on to add  “The only weapon we have to fight back with is the vaccinations.”

No Gray Area

Indeed, there is no gray area. However, there is mass denial of that fact on Twitter from the anti-vaxxers. 

They will not believe any “government” stat except of course the random outliers that say what they want to hear. 

Seemingly, it’s such an amazing national conspiracy on hospitalization data, that at least four Republican governors are now caught up in the conspiracy.

Mercy!

On the Positive Side

On the positive side of the ledger, Omicron appears to be far less serious, at least for anyone with enough common sense to get vaccinated. 

I suspect this latest surge will eventually get most or the unvaccinated, but the percentage of complications will be lower. 

If so, by March or possibly even the end of January, most adults will have Covid antibodies. 

Meanwhile, and unfortunately, the anti-vaxxers are clogging up hospitals once again so I offer this suggestion: 

If you are not vaccinated, don’t go to the hospital over Covid no matter what. You made your choice, live or die with it.

The good news is you are overwhelmingly likely live. Congratulations!

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Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
2 years ago
This explains why Trump pivoted to be pro-vaccine and pro-booster. Unfortunately he can’t undo January 6th.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago

100% natural Covid cure discovered in Australia!

I’ll even buy the gas for you.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
2 years ago
And all the while, the Chinese, who are also beating “us” at everything else, effectively (comparatively at least) solved the covid problem, too….. Not bad, for a bunch of dunces clueless enough to fall for communism, of all things. Goes to show how truly devoid of any talent “our” Cramer watching de facto five year planners really are.
Yet, “we” simply must bail them out. Over and over. Otherwise, this great “system” of ours, may collapse!!!!! Oooooh, Scayyyyiii!!! That’s what the idiots have been told to uncritically regurgitate, after all.
ohno
ohno
2 years ago
If the vaccine mandate passes there could be a problem with people that refuse the vaccine and opt for testing.  I hearing testing takes 2 weeks in some parts of the kansas city area because they are so busy.  Add that to people that will need to be vaccinated for work.  Sounds like a problem to me.  I took my wife to get her booster yesterday no problems yet.  Im trying to make the 3 month mark for my 2nd dose for various reasons as advised from actual md’s(which none of you are) however my work is hounding me.  I may get it done monday if I can get it in.  Everytime I have myself mostly convinced someone has a story for me.  Wouldn’t you know yesterday at walmart where I took my wife for her booster I ran into a friend that I used to work with for years.  His partner just had his 2nd dose and dropped to his face at work with a 105F temp and had to go to the emergency room where he was given tylenol and sent home and told to wait it out.  And he informed me of another guy I worked with just died of a massive heart attack.  This is the 3rd guy in his 50’s that i’ve personally know to die of a massive heart attack within the  past few months.  I also try to look at other evidence.  Such as the gal at the store telling me if she could get a guy to live past his 50’s she could make an old man out of him.  Meaning I guess 50’s are a prime time to die? That’s awesome news since im 53.  Other evidence is that we were all construction workers and drank heavily all our lives on top of labor intensive jobs.  The ones that dies were still drinking a lot.  So I suppose years of alcohol and working yourself to death wouldn’t be great for later years. Unfort I dont know any of their vaccination statuses.  I wouldn’t be surprised if alcohol and vaccines dont mix lol either.  Fort I don’t drink much anymore.  Im prob going to just say screw it and get the shot.  I’ll be more than happy to let you all know how it goes.  I am not looking forward to it.  One thing’s for sure….im not going to like my coworkers and get it on friday and spend all weekend sick.  Nope, im going on a monday or tuesday screw work.
LPCONGAS99
LPCONGAS99
2 years ago
Reply to  ohno
That is a scary story my friend. I can understand and respect why some people do not want to get the vaccine.  
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  ohno
people dying post vaccine has become a fact of life !  personally I know 4 people in my 95% vaxxed( not me) neighbourhood, all in their sixties….and yet the brainwashed fools will keep on going for their next, by now entirely USELESS, shot.  My late grandfather used to say, a long time ago when I was still a kid , that 80% of the people are utterly stupid, if he were still alive he would definitely have to reconsider this rather  moderate estimate….   
LPCONGAS99
LPCONGAS99
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
I must admit, I scheduled a pfizer booster, 10 days ago for this tuesday, contracted the new strain got horrible flu like symtoms for 48 hours, still feel like crap, and I had the first round, got J&j vaccine July 2021 only to get the new strain last week
Hearing some of what you describe around me too.
Highly doubtful I get anymore shots. Lord have mercy I must have a lot of antibodies right??
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
I always say that 80% of the people are dumber than average.
Dr. Odyssey
Dr. Odyssey
2 years ago
Happy New Year critical thinkers, of course that would not include you Zardoz.
Her is the Rogan-Malone interview for your information.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Odyssey
Aww, you singled me out… and I didn’t even notice you.  Thanks, kooky!
prumbly
prumbly
2 years ago
Fauci accidentally said something true yesterday (a first!):
“If a child goes into the hospital, they automatically get
tested for COVID and they get counted as a COVID-hospitalized
individual, when, in fact, they may go in for a broken leg or
appendicitis or something like that
. So it’s over counting the number of children who are, quote, hospitalized with COVID as opposed to because of COVID,”
Either he’s losing it, or they’re about to change their narrative. Get ready to be pulled by the nose in a new direction!
prumbly
prumbly
2 years ago
You test positive for Covid and 2 days later you die of a heart attack – you are counted as a Covid death.
You get a Covid shot and 2 days later you die of a heart attack – you are counted as a heart disease death.
This is one way they rig the data. They have a narrative they want to convince you of, and they will do whatever it takes to fix the statistics. It’s an age-old game.
CristiC
CristiC
2 years ago
Slide 27….. Mr Shimabukuro created two slides which made history…. The hearts of young males act worse than the hearts of retirees and the rate of heart issues exceeds the expected for a retired person….. After vaccination.
Vaccination is a failure. Otherwise WHO and CDC would not mandate “vaccine AND MASK”. Just to spell it out…. the mask mandate is to stop the spread of the virus from reaching vulnerable vaccinated. And this happens even in the countries like Denmark or the Netherlands where those 65+ are vaccinated more than 99%. And the reason is simple: vaccine is not effective enough in preventing hospitalization and deaths for those vulnerable. In the 65+ group, this protection drops down to 50% and lower. And this does not include 2x of heart risk after simply being infected.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
It just keeps getting sillier. 
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Christmas eve, at a local CVS, i saw the Covid-19 tests were all sold out. I had been to a local Walgreens days earlier and they had some stacks of them. I haven’t bought any.
It is getting sillier that there is a run on Covid tests, which reminds me of the bank runs of the early 1930’s.
I am not in a state of hysteria, like the people clogging the local Covid test centers featured on the news.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
They are definitely flipping out to get tested. Airports I’ve been through are packed though, so the terror is shallow. I expect things will be calm again in a week.
Call_Me
Call_Me
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Of course the terror is shallow — so is everything else!  Knowledge, beauty, thought – all a thin veneer, much like the wood grain on most furniture. 
JeffD
JeffD
2 years ago

Why do people under 20 need to be vaccinated?

Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
I’d Google it for you, but that would taint the result.
CristiC
CristiC
2 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
Unless they have some illnesses, there is zero reason to vaccinate people under 40. They have more risks from the vaccine rather than the virus. Of course that it is better not to get infected nor vaccinated.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  CristiC
Medical Advice You Can Trust – from some internet rando.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
CristiC is noting what some doctors and scientists are saying. There is diversity of opinion among doctors and scientists. There is a saying in the medical profession, seek a second opinion.
Dr. Collins and Fauci sought to quash the opinions of those who signed the Great Barrington Declaration.
There were notable experts who signed on to it. Second opinions were not to be allowed.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Fauci wants to keep morons from dying.  I don’t agree.  They should be free to die however they choose
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Fauci doesn’t care about anyone’s life. He cares about his mass vaccination agenda.
It was Dr. McCullough, Dr. Zelenko and Dr. Kory that wanted to keep people from dying, by providing early treatment therapies.
Policy_Scientist
Policy_Scientist
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
The Great Barrington Declaration was thought up by:
Dr. Sunetra Gupta, Oxford
Dr. Martin Kulldorff, Harvard 
Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, Stanford 
Clearly, untrustworthy lightweights.  What was the term I heard?  “Internet randos”
I can understand why Fauci and Collins would try to discredit them.  Like Zardoz and others here I trust big Pharma and government completely.  They have never lied to the public, never changed the science, and never approved a deadly treatment before.
Policy_Scientist
Policy_Scientist
2 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
They don’t. For those under 30 the Vaxx is all risk, zero benefit.  For the slim and healthy that age goes up to about 70. 
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Nothing to see here in the Omicron world.  Red alert and MSM scaremongering now canceled.  Move along…  
————-
Studies Suggest Why Omicron Is Less Severe: It Spares the Lungs
Compared with earlier variants, Omicron may cause less damage to the lungs, new animal research suggests.
By Carl Zimmer and Azeen Ghorayshi
Dec. 31, 2021
A spate of new studies on lab animals and human tissues are providing the first indication of why the Omicron variant causes milder disease than previous versions of the coronavirus.
In studies on mice and hamsters, Omicron produced less damaging infections, often limited largely to the upper airway: the nose, throat and windpipe. The variant did much less harm to the lungs, where previous variants would often cause scarring and serious breathing difficulty.
“It’s fair to say that the idea of a disease that manifests itself primarily in the upper respiratory system is emerging,” said Roland Eils, a computational biologist at the Berlin Institute of Health, who has studied how coronaviruses infect the airway.
….
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo

NY Times isn’t mainstream media? I’ve seen this on multiple other news outlets as well. Doesn’t that mean it’s a conspiracy?

QTPie
QTPie
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
The only media conspiracy I noticed recently was that there was no mention whatsoever (that I could see anyway) on Zero Hedge about Trump now endorsing vaccines. Not even a peepsqueek.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  QTPie
I’ve been seeing it for over a week on the liberal press. They’re gleeful that he got booed for it. I would imagine the boos are also why you didn’t see much on conservative media.
LPCONGAS99
LPCONGAS99
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
that is spot on. And I posted earlier this week, only to find out I tested positive thursday the 30th. felt crappy day before and got 2 calls alerting me that 3 people in group i was with last week now had it.last 48 hours were horrible, but this described it as exactly what happened. Burning throat, body aches all over, lost my voice, burning nose, but did not go to my lungs and 3rd day I am mobile walking around with just horrible nasal and throat congestion buts it coming up….that description is spot on
Policy_Scientist
Policy_Scientist
2 years ago
Reply to  LPCONGAS99
Sounds like a cold. 
LPCONGAS99
LPCONGAS99
2 years ago
here is the thing, and we all here that alot. sounds like a cold……..but its how your body is overreacting to it that is the problem for a lot of people. the first 48 hours felt like someone lit a match in my throat, a burn and hoarseness so much worse than all the other colds I have had. and nothing i would try lessened that feeling for 48 hours.  day 4 and now I have I feel like I have a bad cold…….
Having went thru 2 of the 3 variants, yeah this is not even that big of a deal, for most people
Your blessed if you never really get sick. But there are lots of people whose body just overreacts to this, the whole cytokine storm scenario. 
This one for most ends up to be a bad flu..
shan
shan
2 years ago
Would love to see how Gov Mike DeWine calculated his “90% of Covid hospitalizations are unvaccinated.” How is it that the vaccines are so much more effective in Ohio than the rest of the world?
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  shan
Would like to see Gov. DeSantis at all. MIA for 2 weeks… must be at the North Pole making toys for red pilled boys and girls!
LPCONGAS99
LPCONGAS99
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
i think his wife is seriously ill and he was tending to her………I’ll give him a pass on this one
Dr. Odyssey
Dr. Odyssey
2 years ago

Highlights:

  • The number of patients treated in the hospitals during the same early period of each wave differed (2351 in wave 4 vs maximum 6342 in wave 3).  

    This implies fewer hospitalizations, as we know that Omicron is highly transmissible.

  • 68% to 69% of patients presenting to the emergency department with a positive COVID-19 result were admitted to the hospital in the first 3 waves vs 41.3% in wave 4. 

    Showing that Omicron is resulting in fewer hospitalizations.

  • Patients hospitalized during wave 4 were younger (median age, 36 years vs maximum 59 years in wave 3; P < .001) with a higher proportion of females. 

    This is interesting and will need to be explored in more depth.  Is this due to natural immunity of the elderly or that Omicron is a milder disease  for the elderly than previous variants? Another hypothesis is that Omicron is not infecting deep lung tissue, so the elderly are having more mild disease compared to other waves.  Few elderly might mean fewer overall hospitalizations but with a young median age.

  • Significantly fewer patients with co-morbidities were admitted in wave 4, and the proportion presenting with an acute respiratory condition was lower (31.6% in wave 4 vs maximum 91.2% in wave 3, P < .001). 

    Again, this is good news all around!

  • Of 971 patients admitted in wave 4, 24.2% were vaccinated, 66.4% were unvaccinated, and vaccination status was unknown for 9.4%.  

    How this relates to the population of vaccinated and unvaccinated is a little difficult, because the SA vaccine program has significantly increased the proportion vaccinated this fall. 

  • The proportion of patients requiring oxygen therapy significantly decreased ( 17.6% in wave 4 vs 74% in wave 3, P < .001), as did the percentage receiving mechanical ventilation. 

    Again, very good news!

  • Admission to intensive care was 18.5% in wave 4 vs 29.9% in wave 3 (P < .001). 

    More mild disease, even in the severe cases!

  • The median length of stay (between 7 and 8 days in previous waves) decreased to 3 days in wave 4.  

    Another super indicator of mild disease!

  • The death rate was between 19.7% in wave 1 and 29.1% in wave 3 and decreased to 2.7% in wave 4.  

    This also, should make us all very happy!

Again – remember this data is for HOSPITALIZED PATIENTS ONLY!

Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Odyssey
Looks like this might be the last hurrah.  Soon the crazies can go back to crying about the election.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
“If you are not vaccinated, don’t go to the hospital over Covid no matter what. You made your choice, live or die with it.”
The U.S. government made the choice to obstruct early treatment with anti-viral therapies. Dr. Zelenko had good success with Hydroxychloroquine, zinc and Z-pac. Zelenko treated 1,000 high risk patients and only 3 died.
Dr. Bright worked to get HCQ restricted to in hospital use only. A FAKE study was published in Lancet and Oxford rigged a study to fail, as Dr. Chris Martinson put it, giving patients a toxic dose of HCQ and no zinc.
It has never been about health care, it has been about public health agency agenda, which has always been mass vaccination, regardless the cost in lives from no early treatment.
What the corrupt public health agencies want me to live or die with, is the denial of early treatment for Covid-19. That would apply up till now, even if i was Covaxxed. At least 552 Covaxxed have died in Oregon, as they were denied the same early outpatient treatment the unCovaxxed are denied.
Why would i want to go to the hospital, when the treatment is Remdesivir, a drug that failed on safety?
Why would i want to risk kidney failure or a damaged liver, for no personal benefit? Dr. Wagshul says that the hospital should be using Methyprednisolone instead of Dexamethosone, as well, though i don’t know why it is supposedly better.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
If you go to the hospital, you WILL be subject to their policies, which follow the CDC recommendations.  They will intubate you and refuse to give you Ivermectin or anything else that you may want to try w/o a court order.  
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Truncated, but the governor went on to add  “The only weapon we have to fight back with is the vaccinations.”
Totally false.
Weapons: vitamin D, vitamin C, Quercetin, zinc, nebulized hydrogen peroxide, Ivermectin, Hydroxychloriquine, Fluvoxamine, Budesonide, Melatonin, NAC, antihistamine allergy medicine.
Navage advertises flushing out viruses from nasal passages. Just happens to be that Covid-19 is a virus.
There are plenty of ways to fight Covid-19, even with HCQ, IVM, Fluvox being obstructed from common use by corrupt public health agencies.
The Covax is not proven safe. None of the pharma companies will even stand behind their product and accept liability for vaccine injuries. Comernaty is not even available in the U.S., even though the FDA said it was approved. Ask yourself, why is that?
Why are they pushing the Covax on very young children? Once the Covax is on the child immunization schedule, the pharma company will have immunity from liability across all age groups, per law.
The public is being played.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
You’re being played like a cheap fiddle.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Everyone is being gamed by the public health agencies.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
But not you… you have secret special knowledge, granted to you by the Ignorami.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
I said everyone is being gamed by the public health agencies. That includes both of us.
The question is, why do you like being gamed by them?
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
The question is, how did you reach such exalted status among the Ignorami that they shared their secret knowledge with you. Did it go something like this?
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
I see you choose not to answer why you don’t mind being gamed by the public health agencies.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ

A wise man said “never argue with an idiot. They’ll drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience “

I just enjoy poking them and watching them post 3 pages of nonsense in response. It’s a weakness, but it seems to keep the idiots entertained.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
You are keeping us all entertained with your comic routines.
Webej
Webej
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Everyone thinks mass delusions are impossible, but in fact they are very common throughout history.
Current propaganda/information techniques and organization allows unprecedented influence.
The most susceptible to propaganda have always proven to be the intellectual class.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
““We’re seeing the power of the vaccine to keep people out of the hospital,” he said.
The power of early treatment to keep people out of the hospital. Using Ivermentin to treat Covid-19 patients, Dr. wagshul has kept all out of the hospital.
WHY IS EARLY TREATMENT BEING OBSTRUCTED BY THE FDA?
Yooper
Yooper
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Wrote this elsewhere, but my doctor prescribed Advair to my wife because he said it would help with her cough, and had clinical signs that it could help inhibit the replication of the virus (I checked, and the NIH does indicate this). Clearly off-label.
So why is IM and the other big no-no’s grounds to question your license as a doctor for misinformation, but any other drug prescribed off-label is OK? Especially IM where worst case, is harmless, best case it helps?
Policy_Scientist
Policy_Scientist
2 years ago
Reply to  Yooper
It’s not just the two highly safe and effective but unmentionable treatments.  Dr. Peter Attia had CVS in California refuse to fill Fluvoxamine for two of his Covid patients.  Basically, for Covid only, they are trying to neuter doctors… the only doctor you’re allowed is the NIH (Tony Fauci) or CDC.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Voodoo dolls, bleach, anti parasite meds, illuminated suppositories… the list of cures is endless!
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
You just keep coming up with comedy gold.
The COVID World post date: December 27th, 2021
New York Times Deputy Asia Editor Carlos Tejada has died from a heart attack less than 24 hours after receiving the Moderna COVID-19 booster.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
And that’s what… stone cold proof of anything? Individual data points are relatively meaningless in these assessments.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
There are a number of them i can post. Steve Kirsch’s carpet cleaner had a heart attack 2 minutes after the Covax shot. Four times as many Covaxed as placebo, died of a heart attack in the Pfizer trial.
There is no stone cold proof that the Covax is safe. They just claim that it is.
Webej
Webej
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
You should read what the WHO recommends for home treatment. Ivermectin, among other things.
Besides they link to a number of ‘clubs’ who strongly recommend measures that the FDA/CDC has tried to block.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
As I wrote above:
They can’t do that.  The original reason they turned away from Ivermectin and HQ was that they wouldn’t have been legally able to issue an EUA for the CoVax shots if there were any other accepted treatments available.  Were they to go back on this now, I am unsure what legal ramifications it would cause.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Fine crop of kooks today!
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
How long have you been here today?
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ

Ah, the old “I k ow you are,but what am I” retort. Dr.Kookenstein clearly studied at the  Pee Wee’s Playhouse SchoolOf Medicine.

RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
You studied at Pee Wee’s playhouse? That is where you got your comedy degree?
QTPie
QTPie
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
The crazy is profound with these sort of people. Example: link to reddit.com
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  QTPie
I have family in the medical field… this is just a constant thing now. I’m sure when one of these loons we have babbling here gets sick, they will treat the people trying to save them the same way.  I keep telling my sister in law to just roll them out the car and let them cure themselves with their superior medical knowledge.  I think she’s warming to the idea.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Most doctors won’t early treat patients for Covid-19. They aren’t trying to save anyone. There is no point in going to a doctor, when they aren’t interesting in helping in the first place.
Since a doctor won’t early treat me, i will early treat myself. A doctor would be a waste of time. At first sign of infection, i will be hitting Covid hard with what i have on hand. It’s worked for other people. No reason it shouldn’t work for me, too.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  QTPie
Some vaxxed guy died in the hospital, of Covid-19. A relative said it would have been worse if he was not vaxxed. The crazy is profound in some people.
LPCONGAS99
LPCONGAS99
2 years ago
Reading the back & forth on both sides , felt have to chime in. 58 yr old white male, thanks to prostate meds(that help) i am 10 pds over weight. Got Covid in April 2020 when i was 5 pds over weight. no vaccines at that time. bad fevers 7 days straight but broke it & recovered . Around church group christmas week, 3 people tested positive, new strain, waiting on my results but sick as hell right now but, knock on wood, no fevers but its like the worst flu, day 3 now. if new strain it for now feels less dangerous……Bottom line, I respect anyone that does not want to get vaccine, but people need to stop making fun of people that do get the vaccine and unless you are one of those people that never get sick, and over 50, and never had a side effect from vaccines, can’t understand why you would not get it……Have 2 clients, small business owners, 1/2 the staff is out sick. This has a snowball effect and rest assured, the media will go nuts come Jan 2 when a lot more people get sick. My son is an RN, 4 people died in his hospital from Covid in the last 2 weeks, none vaccinated, a couple had some med issues but 2 did not and one was 49
Sorry for rambling, Happy & Healthy New Year for all………Go Wolvernines ! Go Cinncinati with a honeymooners marathon in the mix
CristiC
CristiC
2 years ago
Reply to  LPCONGAS99
I’m sorry for your health issues, Ipcongas. Unvaccinated are not to blame for this tension, but the world leaders starting with Biden, Fauci and others which ultimately THREATENED the unvaccinated to comply or become subhuman. That is what started the “war”.
I take that your last Covid is after being vaccinated. Regardless, don’t take this virus lightly. Search my comment below,….. it may be that your risk of heart issues just doubled. Stop playing this roulette. Buy the best mask you can afford and wear it, vaccinated or not. Disinfect it after each use with Hydrogen peroxide for a few minutes.
LPCONGAS99
LPCONGAS99
2 years ago
Reply to  CristiC
correct. vaccinated July 27, 2021i did wait a little longer than advised by Dr as I was nervous about the vaccines myself. I was original sick whole month of april 2020…..donated my blood plasma 3 times later in 2020 as i had antibodies per NY Blood Center
And I do not disagree with you on your concerns about the vaccine… I just weighed the odds and maybe I am wrong. 
Policy_Scientist
Policy_Scientist
2 years ago
Reply to  LPCONGAS99
You had natural immunity.  Why did you get the vaccine?  
LPCONGAS99
LPCONGAS99
2 years ago
Good question. And that was my thought process from whenever the vaccine came out until late July of 2021. I had antibodies & mentioned earlier donated my blood plasma think 3 times. (My initial Covid was April 2020, fevers for 7 days straight, I could barely move for 1/2 of those days and my right side. non heart right? LOL, felt like vice grips clamping down on that side of my chest. Will admit to being scared several of those nights) took me a month to feel good again and the vice grip,while much less , never went away for about 6 months) I am totally convinced that was clotting from the virus. My Dr( I do not know how knowledable at the time, but now sounds spot on) said I want you to take either childrens aspirin daily or one bayer in morning and 1 with dinner because we are seeing what looks to be signs of initial blood clotting in patients. Those were pretty much her exact words. I personally think the bloods clots come from both the virus itself and/or the vaccine itself.
My answer is I weighed the odds and said get a vaccine. Got the J&J. I will not get the Moderna or Phizer one……..
You seem pretty knowledable, is one vaccine a little safer than the other. I kind of poled all my friends and clients and alot of people, young ones and healthy too, had bad reactions to MRNA. Then I had an 80 yr old client got the MRNA and felt nothing. Guy is tough as nails 
LPCONGAS99
LPCONGAS99
2 years ago
Reply to  CristiC
I apologize. There was a typo. I do agree with you on vaccinations. My bad
Yooper
Yooper
2 years ago
Reply to  LPCONGAS99
Pretty similar here. 50, got it in March 2020 from international team visiting the office just prior to shutdowns. Sick about a week, but nothing needing a hospital. Wife brought it home from a vacc’d medical backoffice last month (2/3rds of them were symptomatic). All 6 of us tested positive. I was really tired for 2 days, and that was it. Wife coughed for a week, 4 kids had no symptoms at all. None of us were vacc’d.
OTOH, made sure my high risk parents were vacc’d. Also told them (contrary to the CDC and the MSM at the time) to still mask up, keep your distance, try to dine outside, and not assume other vacc’d people were safe. They’ve done quite well while a few of their friends who either didn’t vacc or thought it protected them like a suit of armor, not so much.
Being an OSU grad, but living in Toledo for 20 yrs with family and friends in Ann Arbor (one researcher there who has led a team with the mRNA tech for a decade), I have to root for Michigan to represent 🙂
LPCONGAS99
LPCONGAS99
2 years ago
Reply to  Yooper
Glad you and family are well. I had the first round, april 2020. Much worse than you but survived without hospital…….One thing i meant to add is I took Colostrum all day yesterday, 3am and started morning dose today and I will be damned if I didnt start slowing  feeling better within 2 hours. It was recommended by a friend whom delivered it to my house. And yes, it does not effect the young much at all it seems. And my son 24 now 25 yr lives with me and both times he has never been sick from being around me…see below on Colostrum
4. Bovine colostrum protects upper respiratory tract against infections

Upper respiratory tract infections (URTIs) are infections which affect the mouth, nose, throat, larynx and trachea, provoking nasorafingitis (common cold), sinusitis, pharyngitis, laryngitis and laryngotracheitis (Grief, link to tandfonline.com). The positive effects of oral BC supplementation against URTIs are evident for both children and adults. Studies investigating this association show that BC was able to reduce the incidence of URTI and decrease the duration of self-reported symptoms, as shown in Table 2. However, the mechanisms for such effects are not fully elucidated (Brinkworth & Buckley, link to tandfonline.com; Jones et al., link to tandfonline.com; Patel & Rana, link to tandfonline.com; Saad et al., link to tandfonline.com).

Yooper
Yooper
2 years ago
The true science has been solid and consistent, as opposed to CDC policy, intentionally false statistics, and ever-changing policy positions based on “science”:
from MSNBC interview of Fauci last night:
“And what we mean by that: If a child goes into the
hospital, they automatically get tested for COVID and they get counted
as a COVID-hospitalized individual, when, in fact, they may go in for a
broken leg or appendicitis or something like that
. So
it’s over counting the number of children who are, quote, hospitalized
with COVID as opposed to because of COVID,” said Fauci.
Same with adults, BTW.
Not to mention the calls now to ignore positive test results. How different is that to Trump saying just test less, and the infections will go down? If all this was genuine, they should stick to a consistent procedure for collecting information so we can find a factual-based solution to this.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  Yooper
You don’t even know what science is… it’s just a word you heard the grownups using, and you want to be like them.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Science, is not what is being followed by the public health agencies. They are following mass vaccination agenda, nothing more.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ

And here we have another one that isn’t potty trained but wants to play dress up as an adult.  If you’d quit eating the crayons, you wouldn’t be so grumpy.

Webej
Webej
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Virtually all your comments are ad hominem trolling with absolutely zero substance, just name calling & innuendo.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Why are you playing dress up as an adult?
RMAN
RMAN
2 years ago
“The good news is you are overwhelmingly likely live. Congratulations!”
Everyone has always been overwhelmingly likely to live.   The survival rate has always been >99% for those under 60 and without undelying conditions.
JBbrooks
JBbrooks
2 years ago
Mish has always been a loser.. but this is a new low even for him : “If you are not vaccinated, don’t go to the hospital over Covid no matter what. You made your choice, live or die with it.”

Evil bastard.

Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  JBbrooks
Heck, you all know better than the doctors… why not start your own hospital where you can treat each other? Call it St.Donald’s Hospital for Imbeciles. It’s the only place you’ll be safe from the deep state.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Dr. Kory knows that Ivermectin has efficacy against Covid-19.
It should be widely available, instead of obstucted by the public health agencies.
Policy_Scientist
Policy_Scientist
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
I recommend another booster for you.  One can’t be too safe.  Make sure to also get extra boosters for your family. 
JeffD
JeffD
2 years ago
Reply to  JBbrooks
I believe he said to expect lowest priority at the hospital due to your decision. Sounds fair.
Policy_Scientist
Policy_Scientist
2 years ago
Reply to  JeffD

Yes.  It does.  Provided fat people go to the back of the line for all diseases made worse by being an out of control slob all your life.  

whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
Reply to  JBbrooks
Hilarious!   Climate chaos denier Mish gets raked over the coals by people who think everything is bogus – except for the baseless theories they have bought into, of course.
Policy_Scientist
Policy_Scientist
2 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
Circular logic much?
Dutoit
Dutoit
2 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Odyssey
This prohibition of some medicines, this intrusion in the relation between patient and doctors (who are not allowed to prescribe what they think is better) is the main thing that make be doubt about the official recommendations (including concerning vaccines).
LPCONGAS99
LPCONGAS99
2 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Odyssey
Didnt ivermectin helped get India out of initial wave?
Policy_Scientist
Policy_Scientist
2 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Odyssey
Don’t bother.  He has been posting articles that confirm his cognitive bias for more than a year.  His mind is closed.  
prumbly
prumbly
2 years ago
“Covid hospitalizations surge globally”. But the vaccines!  NINE BILLION Covid shots given so far, and yet we have MORE Covid cases and hospitalizations than ever…
Time to face reality – the vaccines have failed miserably. We really need to end this pathetic charade.
QTPie
QTPie
2 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
Idiot. As Mish’s post indicates, nearly all COVID hospitalizations consist of unvaccinated individuals (who otherwise make up a minority of the population nowadays). As such, the vaccines have proven to be a phenomenal success.
Only the nutso anti-vaxxers can draw the completely wrong conclusions from the data presented to them.
prumbly
prumbly
2 years ago
Reply to  QTPie
There are so many things wrong with your thinking that you don’t even sound sane:
a)  Vaccines are supposed to eradicate disease, not enhance it. We have more Covid now with the vaccines than ever!
b)  The vaccines have not been fully tested, and we are not allowed to see the trial results (for some reason… ). We KNOW they cause huge health issues and death, but we have no idea how bad the long-term effects will be. The American Heart Association found that the mRNA vaccines DOUBLE your risk of a heart attack: link to ahajournals.org
c)  It is the fully vaccinated people who are getting sick, spreading the disease and dying. Anecodtal stories about there being more unvaccinated than vaccinated in such-and-such hospital are just that – stories by the vaccine enthusiasts. Those countries that ACTUALLY MEASURE how many patients are vaxxed/unvaxxed have found that most are fully vaccinated (Israel, the UK, Singapore, for example). 82% of Covid deaths in the UK are now fully vaccinated: link to thegoodlylawfulsociety.org  .
Webej
Webej
2 years ago
Reply to  QTPie
Why would there be increasing numbers of unvaccinated getting ill when society is full of fire breaks brought by the vaccinated … we should be closing in on herd immunity and far less transmission according to the theory propagated all along.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  QTPie
Enough of your BS!  Another one added to my ignore list.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  QTPie
Nearly all Covid hospitalizations are of those who did not receive early treatment, whether vaxxed or unvaxxed.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
With hindsight we know or should know that american info and  statistics are grossly being tampered with, only fools will trust them !  In Europe, vaccination rates are way much higher than in the US , some countries even heading for 100% of adults like Portugal, Danmark 90%, France 80% Spain 90% ….You know what ? : RECORDS of covid cases, never seen before,  this is the pandemic of the VAXXED!  Omicron affects the vaxxed ! Look a Romania with ONLY 35% vaxxed, they are doing FINE !  I forgot to mention the UK , HORRIBLE, despite a successful vaccination and booster campaign !  What more do you want to know proving that jabs are worthless, especially after a couple of months,  people that got Astra or J&J are unprotected in a matter of weeks, if they ever were protected that is … Hey but , don t let go of the psychosis if that makes you feel happy, your 4th one is being prepared and  a 5th one against Omi, against which the present gentherapy doesn t work at all…   HAPPY NEW YEAR  !
Webej
Webej
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
In general, vaccination is followed by an upsurge of Covid.
There is a correlation: the more people vaxxed, the higher the case rate, and the greater all-cause excess mortality.
Dr. Odyssey
Dr. Odyssey
2 years ago
Why no discussion on prevention through increasing immune system nutrition?
Why no discussion on the success of early treatment with repurposed available medicines?
The data is available.
Comment from video:
Having spent the past 2.5 decades in clinical research (currently specializing in Phase I, FIH studies), I have had so many jaw dropping moments over the past 18 months! There has to be punishment for the damage these bureaucrats have done to the medical and research fields, or this madness will continue.
Further down this thread are a couple of reasonable comments by Speculato and Webej.
Thanks to you both.
LPCONGAS99
LPCONGAS99
2 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Odyssey
Totally agree. I have been taking 2,000 IU D-3 daily and Zinc not daily because it bothers stomach.  still got both variant. 
CristiC
CristiC
2 years ago
Reply to  LPCONGAS99
Ipcongas, your D3 is good but you need to know your baseline. Many if not most of people are deficient. If you are deficient to start with, then your daily dose will not bring you to around 50. Get a vitamin D blood test.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  LPCONGAS99
Suggest upping the D-3 to 4000 IU’s daily.  That is what I have been doing for years.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Odyssey
“Why no discussion on the success of early treatment with repurposed available medicines?”
They can’t do that.  The original reason they turned away from Ivermectin and HQ was that they wouldn’t have been legally able to issue an EUA for the CoVax shots if there were any other accepted treatments available.  Were they to go back on this now, I am unsure what legal ramifications it would cause.
CristiC
CristiC
2 years ago
More fake propaganda in this article, I’m so sick about it. I still wonder why Mish only reads propaganda lines and does not do any deep research for himself?
In summary, the vaccine does only very little to protect the vulnerable. They will be at risk of dying anyway from SARS-CoV-2 infection. In New York, one state which is younger than the US average and the most vaccinated, the excess deaths in 2021 will be almost 18 000 compared to 35 500 in 2020. This is only going to get much worse. But so far, the vaccines only reduced by less than 50% the excess deaths. And we are not even discounting the unnecessary deaths in the early 2020 caused by Fauci’s lies that mask don’t work and are not going to make healthy people sick. Those deaths should be counted on Fauci’s policy error.
Anyway, SARS-CoV-2 will kill both vaccinated and unvaccinated in the vulnerable group. Autoimmune diseases and cardio-vascular issues caused by them.
“All study protocols were approved by the Cedars-Sinai institutional review board.
Therefore, using an array to detect autoantibodies (AABs) to 91 antigens previously linked to a range of classic autoimmune diseases, we sought to comprehensively examine the diversity of AAB responses in male and female health care workers (HCWs) who were exposed to SARS-CoV-2 and self-reported presence or absence of distinct symptoms associated with COVID-19.
These findings demonstrate that SARS-CoV-2 directly triggers the development of AABs not limited to structural proteins similar to SARS-CoV-2. Importantly, our study also demonstrates for the first time an autoimmune activation in females compared to males following asymptomatic infection. As context, the stability of AABs in classic autoimmune diseases is known to vary substantially, with some autoantibodies fluctuating with flares of disease, while others remain stable.

We can speculate that the preponderance of AABs positivity in females—in the absence of symptomatic or recognized infection—represents initiation or proliferation and then persistence of self-reactive immunity with implications for post-acute chronic immune-driven disease states. These findings may be particularly relevant to rapidly accumulating evidence of the post-acute SARS-CoV-2 syndromes (e.g. “long-haul COVID”) that can emerge even weeks to months following resolution of mild or asymptomatic infection”

And another one which shows that the risk of heart issues doubles if one gets infected. And we know vaccines do not protect against that.
“Objective: To determine absolute and relative risks of either symptomatic or asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection for late cardiovascular events and all-cause mortality. Methods: We conducted a retrospective double-cohort study of patients with either symptomatic or asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection [COVID-19(+) cohort] and its documented absence [COVID-19(-) cohort]. The study investigators drew a simple random sample of records from all Oregon Health & Science University (OHSU) Healthcare patients (N=65,585) with available COVID-19 test results, performed 03.01.2020 – 09.13.2020. Exclusion criteria were age < 18y and no established OHSU care. The primary outcome was a composite of cardiovascular morbidity and mortality. All-cause mortality was the secondary outcome. Results: The study population included 1355 patients (mean age 48.7 ± 20.5 y; 770(57%) female, 977(72%) white non-Hispanic; 1072(79%) insured; 563(42%) with cardiovascular disease (CVD) history). During a median 6 months at risk, the primary composite outcome was observed in 38/319 (12%) COVID-19(+) and 65/1036 (6%) COVID-19(-) patients (p=0.001). ” 
And we know that in heavily vaccinated countries, the excess deaths are approaching the excess deaths prior to the vaccination.
Netherlands: 
Excess deaths 65+ from 20w11 to 21w7 49 wks : 22534
Excess deaths 65+ from 21w12 to now 39 wks: 12610
The estimate for the next 10 weeks is over 3000 of more excess deaths for age 65+. And this means that the vaccination prevented only 1 – 15000/22000 = 30% excess deaths. But the excess deaths are not stopping yet. My expectation is that they WILL exceed the period before vaccination. Because people have blind faith in the vaccines which have a very POOR protection.
UK:
Excess deaths 65+ from 20w12 to 21w9 51 wks : 95631
Excess deaths 65+ from 21w27 to now 23 wks: 22205
UK has had a much longer vaccine positive outcome (that means a longer period of weeks of no excess deaths at 65+). They vaccinated with AstraZeneca, not Pfizer. But even AstraZeneca effect started to disappear after 4 months (while in the mRNA countries, these period is shorter, 1-2 months top). And if the excess deaths continue, the vaccines will only eventually prevent 40% of the excess deaths from the non-vaccine period of 2020.
Same goes everywhere else. In Denmark, there are MORE excess deaths for 65+ in 2021, after vaccination, than were in the whole 2020 and early 2021 without. This means VACCINATION FAILED. Everywhere. It FAILED. Mish would better put his mind to dig into the numbers and discover the truth.
The only way to protect your health is NOT VACCINATE, but prevent contracting the virus in the first place. Wear the best mask you can afford, hygiene, distance, avoid crowded places and wash your nose with some saline solutions.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Here’s an interesting article that received almost no MSM coverage.  Because in today’s America, fat shaming isn’t allowed, even if it might be the direct cause of many illnesses.
————
The Coronavirus Attacks Fat Tissue, Scientists Find
The research may help explain why people who are overweight and obese have been at higher risk of severe illness and death from Covid.
By Roni Caryn Rabin
Dec. 8, 2021, 4:05 p.m. ET
From the start of the pandemic, the coronavirus seemed to target people carrying extra pounds. Patients who were overweight or obese were more likely to develop severe Covid-19 and more likely to die.
Though these patients often have health conditions like diabetes that compound their risk, scientists have become increasingly convinced that their vulnerability has something to do with obesity itself.
Now researchers have found that the coronavirus infects both fat cells and certain immune cells within body fat, prompting a damaging defensive response in the body.
“The bottom line is, ‘Oh my god, indeed, the virus can infect fat cells directly,’” said Dr. Philipp Scherer, a scientist who studies fat cells at UT Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas, who was not involved in the research.
….
Webej
Webej
2 years ago
According to the Vermont Department of Health, “Half of the [Covid] deaths in August were breakthrough cases.link to wcax.com in September were,” as well
QTPie
QTPie
2 years ago
Reply to  Webej
As the article mentions, the percentage of vaccinated is extremely high in Vermont. Therefore, it is not surprising that many cases were breakthroughs. The statistic that is relevant to this discussion is what is the relative risk of hospitalization of vaccinated vs unvaccinated people and unfortunately the article doesn’t address that.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  QTPie
You should get a job with the CDC! [roflol]
The point of vaccination was that it was supposed to protect people form hospitalization and or death due to Covid infections.
Call_Me
Call_Me
2 years ago
“A regional director who was employed at the research organisation Ventavia Research Group has told The BMJ that the company falsified data, unblinded patients, employed inadequately trained vaccinators, and was slow to follow up on adverse events reported in Pfizer’s pivotal phase III trial. Staff who conducted quality control checks were overwhelmed by the volume of problems they were finding. After repeatedly notifying Ventavia of these problems, the regional director, Brook Jackson, emailed a complaint to the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Ventavia fired her later the same day. Jackson has provided The BMJ with dozens of internal company documents, photos, audio recordings, and emails.”
It’s probably nothing, but former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb is on the board of Pfizer and his replacement, Stephen Hahn, is Chief Medical Officer of an outfit that launched Moderna.
Call_Me_Al
Call_Me
Call_Me
2 years ago
Reply to  Call_Me
the link for the British Medical Journal is being flagged as spam, so I will note that here.  perhaps I can find a way to skirt the spam-flagging algorithm.
Call_Me_Al
Call_Me
Call_Me
2 years ago
Reply to  Call_Me
replace (dot) with . and the link will work.
Call_Me_Al
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Call_Me
I’ve had this happen.  TheStreet blog platform sucks muchly.
I had a post earlier, which appeared until I closed the browser and reopened it.  Then the post disappeared and has not been brought back.  It had a couple of links to PDF documents.
Policy_Scientist
Policy_Scientist
2 years ago
Reply to  Call_Me
This information goes against the “trust Fauci & big Pharma” narrative being trumpeted none stop by the MSM and big tech and is not appreciated here.  
Thank you,
Kool-aide Drinkers
Call_Me
Call_Me
2 years ago
Can everyone at least stop pushing this on minors?  The ‘vaccines’ do not eliminate contracting and spreading the virus, yet many governments are bribing children to have them accept something more likely to harm than help them (or others around them).
Call_Me_Al
Webej
Webej
2 years ago
  • Showing a chart with absolute numbers will of course make the US an outlier (much bigger). Rates are up everywhere, and an honest grchart would be showing the rate per 100,000
  • In the UK, 70% of Covid patients are there for some reason other than Covid, and only discovered they were positive after showing up. The higher the positive test rate, the higher the percentage of people in hospital will be positive. Duh.
  • Unvaccinated includes people who are within the 2 weeks of their second jab, and includes all vaccine injuries, attributed to Covid infection
  • It is absolutely false to claim that 90% of new patients in Covid wards are not vaccinated. The 90% includes all the people in January when nobody was vaccinated. Claims like this without specified time periods and meaningful definitions of terms are dishonest.
whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
“… driving the high inpatient count, with more than 90% of the patients unvaccinated”
You have to adjust for the possibility that those who are unvaccinated are likely to be more reckless, in contrast to the vaccinated who generally tend to be cautious even after getting vaccinated.
Kinda like Volvo cars are likely deemed safer than they actually are, because a lot of safety-conscious drivers buy them, and they continue to drive safely even after buying the Volvos.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
Also not mentioned by Mish is that the definition of fully vaxxed vs. unvaxxed are floating definitions.  To the CDC, unvaxxed currently means someone who may have had 1 shot or 2 shots but no booster with at least 2 weeks following the booster.  This is completely at odds with all other countries in the world.  Just another example of how the CDC puts their thumb on the scale until they get the numbers they want to see.
zimminy
zimminy
2 years ago
The Covid hospitalization numbers have always been and continue to be misleading. 
Greggg
Greggg
2 years ago
Greggg
Greggg
2 years ago
I have read several accounts of the hospitalization, which i think is not really hospitalizations, but crowded emergency rooms.   In the Detroit area, covid is spreading faster than any normal cold.   Hospitals do not admit patients with covid unless the meet certain criteria, one of them is a depressed oxygen level in the blood < 90.  What is happening nation wide is panicked people are going straight to emergency rooms and they can’t handle them there.   Here’s todays hospitalization rates for our major hospitals (normal):  link to patch.com
Qpoe
Qpoe
2 years ago
I don’t understand why we need to social distance or wear masks if there is a vaccine and the FDA says it works. Who cares if people want to protect themselves or not with the vaccine? It’s their choice. Let’s respect that and stop the judging and shaming. If we slow down the spread we are only allowing this to go on and on. Let nature take it’s course so we can move on.
shamrock
shamrock
2 years ago
Reply to  Qpoe
That only works if the un-vaccinated stay home when they are sick as suggested by the Mish. 
Webej
Webej
2 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
People stay home automatically when they are ill.
I’ve been so sick from the flu that I couldn’t even fill in the online absentee form for work.
The leaky vaccine has allowed vaccinees to spread the bug asymptomatically, exactly the fear propagated during the first outbreak, but laid to rest by subsequent science (asymptomatic transmission not an important vector, according to WHO’s Maria Kerkhove). There is also new science out proving that it is the altered selection pressure exercised by the mass vaccinations that have enabled the spread of the variants.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Umm, that’s a very sophisticated, intellectual reply for someone like Shamrock.  This would be better:
The vaccinated can transmit just as well as the unvaxxed if they get infected by Covid!
coach
coach
2 years ago
Mish, your tone has become strident, one-sided and dark whenever you comment on health matters. I’m not religious, I’m not pro or anti anything per se … but the dark edge and just plain darkness that emanates from many of your posts is so glaring, off putting and hard to ignore. It’s kind of sad and pitiful … hopefully you can find more balance, peace and a more open-minded approach to relaying information that is never as settled as you sometimes intimate that it is. We are all on side of humanity (and actual individual humans) … the rooting for poor outcomes for either side (or for any individual human – frankly) … is disheartening and soul crushing to witness)-:
Greggg
Greggg
2 years ago
Reply to  coach
You said that just to get likes, didn’t you,
coach
coach
2 years ago
Reply to  Greggg
Meant what I said at the time I wrote it (still do as of now but I’m notorious for vacillating:-) 
But man, the dopamine hit of likes … “what a rush” that can provide … even a measly handful like this 🙂
So while I didn’t write it “just to get likes” … I certainly do enjoy them … lol:-)
Mr. Purple
Mr. Purple
2 years ago
Reply to  coach
Strawman.
coach
coach
2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Purple
I believe the character you are referring to is known as the “Scarecrow” … thus implying I have no brain – ouch, that hurts )-:
Continuing your deft allusion to the Land of Oz … I see that you may be hinting that I am hinting that some might be travelling down the yellow brick Road to Perdition stuck meme-like playing the character of “Tin Man” (this was not my intention but I see how the lack of heart might apply somehow).
That leaves the Lion (courage) and Dorothy (just trying to get home safely I believe) … and me can’t imagine those four characters merrily dancing down the yellow brick road … without recalling the scene near the end of that tale … as the four innocents peer behind the curtain and see that the “great wizard” their mind had created (with help) was just … a little old man behind the curtain … such a lovely tale.
Fun playing Historical Meme 🙂
Policy_Scientist
Policy_Scientist
2 years ago
Reply to  coach
You’re a bigger man that me.  To the Vaxxer loonies I say, get more boosters… see what happens. 
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
2 years ago

The linked article is in German, This was on today’s automatic earth site.

Germany Reporting 96% Of Omicron Cases Are Vaccinated

“Additional information is known in some cases for the omicron cases available in the reporting system. Information on symptoms was submitted for 6,788 cases; predominantly no or mild symptoms were reported. The most common symptoms reported by patients were rhinitis (54%), cough (57%), and sore throat (39%). 124 patients were hospitalized and four person died. Foreign exposure was reported for 543 (5%) cases.

186 patients were unvaccinated, 4,020 were fully vaccinated, and of these, booster vaccination was reported for 1,137.

Based on the submitted data, 148 reinfections were identified among all submitted omicron infections; no previous cases were identified for any of the person affected by reinfection, previous illnesses were transmitted. Figure 9 shows the distribution of omicron cases transmitted to date in Germany. Omicron cases were detected in all federal states.”

link to rki.de

Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Siliconguy
Had any of the unvaxxed infected by Omicron been previously infected and recovered?
Policy_Scientist
Policy_Scientist
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
If so then there is a false positive in there somewhere.  Natural immunity has worked for a million years.  It doesn’t stop working because Fauci says so. 
QTPie
QTPie
2 years ago
Reply to  Siliconguy
As Mish wrote, given the relative mildness of Omicron (at least among those vaccinated or prior exposure to the virus) plus many in-home tests, counting positive cases is irrelevant at this point. Need to concentrate on severe cases.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  QTPie
Everyone is entitled to their person opinion, no matter how wrong they may be.  
The question still needs to be answered.
Dutoit
Dutoit
2 years ago
If we make a real complete computation of costs, following the official statistics, if we want to be fair the unvaccinated, as well as the smokers or obese people, should receive a large amount of money.
The first reason is that in any case you will finish your life in a hospital or shortly after intensive care in a hospital, so the difference is costs between vaccinated or unvaccinated is not obvious (in France 60% of deaths occur in hospital).
The second reason is that an unvaccinated (or smoker, or obese) will have a lower life expectancy, and need less retirement pensions.
shamrock
shamrock
2 years ago
The unvaxed are ahead in the line to get the pfizer and merck anti-viral pills because they are more at risk.  How is that for bulls**t?
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
Tell us how it is bulls**t?  Are you proposing that the vaxxed, who are already supposedly protected against Covid, need even more drugs?
davebarnes2
davebarnes2
2 years ago
And, if we denied hospital care for the unvaccinated, then we would be fine.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  davebarnes2
Moving you to my ignore list.  You bring nothing of value to the posts here.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Haven’t we already talked about this about ten times this month? 
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
It brings in a lot of arguing and subsequent page/ad views.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
I doubt that is the reason. Mish feels deeply about the merits of getting vaxed so he says it. 
Gloe
Gloe
2 years ago
“Covid hospitalizations” is not a gray area? It is indeed a gray area.  In the US at least, a “Covid hospitalization” is someone in the hospital who then tests positive for Covid (everyone is tested).  It doesn’t matter WHY you are there.  Same for the UK. In the UK, they said 70% of their “Covid hospitalizations” were people who were in the hospital for something else, then got tested and the test was positive.
By the way, myocarditis in children is exploding! But let’s keep jabbing them!  link to stevekirsch.substack.com
Happy 2022! 
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Gloe
You can take a mule to water but you can’t make the stubborn arse drink!
hmk
hmk
2 years ago
Same applies to those who are obese, drug drug and alcohol abusers, those that don’t exercise, those that have a diet high in processed food.  Normally you make intelligent comments but this is idiotic, cruel, uncaring and unchristian.
Curious-Cat
Curious-Cat
2 years ago
Reply to  hmk
Oh God, let’s not bring religion into this. It’s already sufficiently complicated.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  Curious-Cat
My sky wizard can whoop your sky wizard!
Mr. Purple
Mr. Purple
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Zardoz that was a very mature and rational comment.  Very clever too.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
They are Delta and they are mostly people who have been shot up with CoVax.  Open the article below and check out the reader comments.  An amazing number of people who are vaccinated have gotten Covid recently.  Also a large number are expressing annoyance or disappointment with the increasing number of shots they are required to take.  A growing percentage are vowing “no more shots”.
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As Omicron Spreads, Officials Ponder What It Means to Be ‘Fully Vaccinated’
The contagious new variant has companies and government officials wondering whether Americans can really be considered vaccinated without booster shots.
By Emily Anthes and Noah Weiland
Dec. 29, 2021
Mish
Mish
2 years ago
I find it more than a bit amusing how the anti-vaxxers like to say “These people did not die from Covid, they died with it”  while presuming the exact opposite when someone vaccinated dies. Then the presumption is the opposite.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
These threads inevitably devolve into a bestiary of logical fallacies.  It’s fascinating.
Kick'n
Kick’n
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
No one actually dies of a virus. It’s what the virus does to shut down various organs of the body or compromises their functions. We’re all going to die some which way. COVID just may hasten the demise of someone who already has health issues. Did they die of CV? No. Would they still be alive without having contracted CV? Almost certainly.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Send in the kooks!
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
You arrived early.
Mish
Mish
2 years ago
Vaccination Risk
University of Alabama Study
Over 298 million mRNA COVID-19 vaccines administered
Hospitalizations and deaths overwhelmingly from unvaccinated
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
BS links.  Just repeating the same old narrative while ignoring any info that disagrees with the conclusions desired.  Your 2nd link says it all:
“Vaccine side effects show up within weeks if at all”
This is not true.  The damage done and continually being done internally will take months or years to fully expose itself.  Let’s see how the incidence of heart attacks, blood clots, strokes and autoimmune diseases manifest themselves over the next 1-4 years.
Further, it is accepted that the number of reports in VAERS is less than 10% of actual due to the CDC lack of publishing the resource.  So multiply whatever numbers are being featured in these articles by a factor of 90%, which will significantly increase the negatives.
Meanwhile, I will again post a couple of technical articles by actual researchers, not rubber stamped BS from media whore MD’s, for all who are  interested in actually learning something about how the CoVax shots could affect people’s health longer term. 
You pays your money, you takes your chances.  If I took these shots and had a family, I would seriously increase my life insurance and make sure that I had a long-term care rider attached.
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5 Concerns about SARS-CoV2 Biology:  A Call to Pause, Deliberate and  Revise Policy
Jonathan J. Couey and Piper L. Stover
5/17/2021
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Worse Than the Disease? Reviewing Some Possible Unintended Consequences of the mRNA Vaccines Against COVID-19
Stephanie Seneff 1 and Greg Nigh 2
1-Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory, MIT, Cambridge MA, 02139, USA, Email: seneff@csail.mit.edu
2-Naturopathic Oncology, Immersion Health, Portland, OR 97214, USA
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
2 years ago
Social distancing, masking, and avoiding crowds have worked for me. I’m OK with another month of those practices as COVID19 heads to finish line. I’m not about to get a vaccine that can cause death when the Omicron variant is vaccinating people against Delta. The hospitalization and death rates for Omicron are at least 70% lower than the rates for severe side effects from an mRNA vaccine.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
2 years ago
I wonder why they consider people antivaxxers? No one I know cares if you take it or not, if your young, have BMI under 30 and stay in shape, eat well and sleep. The death rate is same as a normal flu…plus u can’t move the goal post on vaccination definition during the kick. Its cheating….this is a flu shot…
perhaps some folks want to see other non RNA medicines that the FDA seems to be blocking to fulfill an agenda. Big pharma psyche op….
Too many overweight folks in the US with aging demographic, perfect ingredients for virus…..
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Yep it’s a global conspiracy with over 100 million healthcare workers all in on it, secretly laughing at us all!
Greggg
Greggg
2 years ago
What’s the definition of antivaxxer?
Mish
Mish
2 years ago
Reply to  Greggg
There is none – but I propose one
Anyone 18 years or older and does not want to be vaccinated and isn’t is an anti-vaxxer.
There are degrees of course. 
The silent disobedient to the raging lunatic who thinks Bill Gates is putting microchips in the vaccines. 
I do not have the scale set yet. 
Webej
Webej
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Almost all the people who are skeptical have submitted to the entire vaccination schedule, and often flu shot, as well as getting HPV vaccines for their kids. Hell, many of the sceptics have worked for vaccine companies (Yeadon, Pfizer vice president of research; vdBossche, whole career spent developing vaccines and worked for Gavi, the WHO, and the Bill & Melinda Foundation; Robert Malone, instrumental to the development of the mRNA technology, etc etc). Antivax is a smear, and is about as intelligible as calling someone who does not deign to eat veal (baby cows) an anti-food Nut.
The big four (Merck, Glaxo, Pfizer, Sanofi) have paid B$30 in fines the past decade, mostly for fraud, misleading information, falsifying data, etc. Were they natural persons, they would all be behind bars. They spend 2× as much lobbying as even the fossil fuel industry. Look up Vioxx … approved (despite Merck knowing it was dangerous) and estimated to have killed 150-600K Americans. Only became public through litigation and discovery, something which cannot happen with vaccines (companies are immune, to liability). There are many reasons to be skeptical.
The original Pfizer trial showed 1 Covid death spared (100% effective) but also 500% increase of fatal heart attacks in the two cohorts of 22,000 people. Mortality was 20 in the Vaccine group after 6 months, only 14 in the control group.
The antivaxx smear is aimed at making it impossible to ever object to a proposal for an experimental vaccine!
Policy_Scientist
Policy_Scientist
2 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Prior to Covid I never gave Vaccines a second thought. But this is all such blatant nonsense science.  There are red flags everywhere.  
55 years to release the trial data.  
Pfizer’s decision to unblind and end the placebo group after just 2 months.  
No long term studies.  
Basically no children or old, at risk people included in the study to begin with. 
No Pfizer web site for their product.  
No product insert detailing contents and possible adverse events (currently it’s a blank piece of paper).  
The massive censorship campaign against any contrary science.  
The aggressive canceling of any scientist who dares have a different opinion.  
The outlawing of highly safe and effective early treatments.  
No mention of the importance of vitamin D supplementation during vitamin D deficiency season (winter).  
The rabid attacks against anyone wanting to discuss these things.
At this point I’m an 11 on Mish’s Anti-Vaxxer scale and proud of it.  

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