Covid Passports in Israel and Huge Fines in Indonesia, Is the US Next?

Mish

Officials in many countries combine incentives with threats warning that those who don’t get the shot will be shut out of everyday activities.

Green Covid Passports in Israel 

Please consider Israel’s Speedy Vaccination Campaign.

Israel lifted restrictions on most commerce and public activity, opening malls, markets and museums—and requiring the use of a pass to document vaccination status for some activities.

The opening up and use of what officials are calling green passports, which allow people to enter gyms and hotels and eventually embark on quarantine-free travel, set up a test for one of the most closely watched countries during the pandemic.

Officials are warning those who shun the national vaccination campaign that they will be shut out of everyday activities. “Anyone who does not get vaccinated will be left behind,” Israel’s health minister Yuli Edelstein said.

As thousands of people rushed to download the “green passport” documents, the website crashed Saturday night.

Get Vaccinated Or Else

The Wall Street Journal reports Declining a Covid-19 Vaccine Risks Penalties in Some Countries

  • Indonesia levied fines for refusing vaccination of around $356—or more than a month’s salary on average, according to the country’s per capita gross domestic product.
  • The European Union and Australian officials have considered travel restrictions for those without vaccination proof. 
  • Brazil’s Supreme Court ruled those who reject a Covid-19 vaccine could be banned from certain public activities and spaces. 
  • Less than half of South Koreans, or about 46%, are willing to be vaccinated right away, according to a poll by the Korea Society Opinion Institute released on Monday. South Korea has said those who skip will be booted to the back of the line.
  • The Vatican said it would explore alternative solutions for workers refusing to get Covid-19 vaccines, after getting blowback from a decree earlier this month that suggested employees could lose their jobs if they skipped inoculations.

Biden Wants Bigger Vaccination Numbers 

In the US, Biden Aims for Bigger Vaccination Numbers as U.S. Vaccine Manufacturing Ramps Up.

It sounded so ambitious at first blush: 100 million vaccination shots in 100 days. Now, one month into his presidency, Joe Biden is on a glide path to attain that goal and pitching well beyond it to the far more ambitious and daunting mission of vaccinating all eligible adults against the coronavirus by the end of the summer.

“It’s one thing to have the vaccine, and it’s very different to get it in someone’s arms,” Biden said Friday as he toured Pfizer’s manufacturing plant in Portage, Michigan. The company is set to double its pace of vaccine deliveries in the coming weeks.

The daily inoculation average climbed to 1.7 million shots per day last week, but as many as double that number of doses are soon expected to be available on average each day. The focus of Biden’s team is now quickly shifting to ensuring those doses can get used, though the administration has resisted the calls of some health experts to publicly set a “moonshot” target for how many daily doses it hopes to deliver.

U.S. Death Toll Tops 500,000

US Deaths Top 500,000

Cumulative Deaths Per Million

Cumulative Deaths Per Million 2021-02-22

US Mandates Coming Up? 

In the sense of fines like Indonesia, probably not, at least nationally. 

However, travel restrictions are another matter. And it is likely some states will require vaccinations for kids to go to school.

Employers may also require them. 

Expect lawsuits.

Mish

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Kimo
Kimo

Yes, go directly to covid jail, do not pass Go, do not collect $200. One beneficial side affect: it will keep the covid death rate off the bottom line, due to suicides, etc., which in turn will justify more firings. Now, will fired workers get to claim unemployment insurance, given they were fired for cause?

Anda
Anda

Has anyone anywhere outlined what the wider aim of vaccination is ? Is the idea herd immunity within countries so that those not vaccinated are allowed out eventually without being a possible burden to the country ? It's quite new that, getting people who don't comply with restrictions or with vaccination mandate being considered a burden or menace. Those vaccinated are not going to fear the unvaccinated surely, so really it is just to spare a country having to care for those infected ? That doesn't set a very constructive relationship, where the state basically has the population view itself as a burden.

I suppose the quest might be global eradication of the virus, but where is the project plan for this, in fact any clear objective that can be scrutinised and challenged, or to which anyone can be held to account ? If vaccines aren't 100% (they aren't ) , or if there are part populations that are not vaccinated, or if immunity does not last or new strains constantly emerge, or if virus samples are re-released on purpose by any number of people who might have collected them, then the virus will remain. So this becomes a series of possibly endless national pursuits to erase the virus within any particular country and justify all measures to keep immunity high and possible transmission low.

People who don't agree with being vaccinated will generally accept watching others getting vaccinated because the more immunity the less virus around, because eventually restrictions on the non-vaccinated should be lifted due to that. Selfish anti-vac crowd having everyone else vaccinated for their own good while keeping the virus in circulation ? There is lots of room for different sets of people to be played off against each other, for government to find support for further increased enforcement. In Spain they will keep a list of those who refuse vaccination, they say it will be kept private and only shared with EU . So there is new definition of privacy out of it also - information a whole bureaucracy holds on a person.

Heeere's Johhhhny ....

njbr
njbr

The longer this hangs around, the more variants there will be.

The more variants, the greater possiblity of it jumping ahead of vaccine protection.

How many cycles do you want to go through?

How much economic damage do you want?

Rico44
Rico44

Do your part. Get the jab. Stop whining.

Greggg
Greggg

With the the "cases" and "death" rates dropping faster than a piano off a cliff, the Biden Administration is going to end up trailing the virus narrative into oblivion... Awwww, what a shame. Oh, and don't dare question the origin of the virus or the people benefitting from it either. Just shut your mouth.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65

It should be fairly easy in the US to opt out for all kinds of reasons (health, religious etc) without needing lawsuits should it ever come to mandatory vaccination. I think it would cause massive unrest if it was ever attempted here.

The positive covid rates are falling dramatically right now because the CoV-2 Cycle test was changed making fewer positive results. So a fair amount of the lower rates are because things that were positive are no longer considered positive.

Jojo
Jojo

Clearly, there is something in the vaccines that all TPTB's want to get into people, which is why there is such a huge press from the MSM to accept the shot. I won't be getting the shot any time soon. And if needs be, I will obtain fake certification that I have gotten the shot.

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Doug78
Doug78

What is left to talk about Covid that hasn't already been hashed to death before? I will get the vaccine when I can get it then I will be immune. Those who don't get run a risk that I will not have. If enough are vaccinated the pandemics stops although local epidemics of Covid will continue. It may mutate but that is true of all the nasty viruses and bacteria out there too. Passports are interesting if they really are like passports in that they are almost impossible to fake otherwise they will be faked. It would give a false sense of security but for tourist areas passports would jumpstart tourism. Having to show that you have been vaccinated against one disease or the other before visiting certain countries is not new and there is no need to give it a mysterious wrapper as "passport" to give it silverbulletness. Just say to visit here whatever here is you have to this vaccination. Last of all every vaccine can produce bad effects in a certain number of people. The RNA vaccines have a very low number of side effects. Nevertheless in some people it can result is extreme reactions and we have to recognize that some people will avoid being vaccinated because of it. It's not rational but being afraid to take a plane in not rational either but there are a lot of smart rational people who don't take airplanes because of this fear. When everyone who wants the vaccine has it then only those who don't want it are at risk. It is a choice. It's a nasty disease no doubt but Covid is not Smallpox not the Bubonic Plague and is nowhere near. It is not necessary to treat it so.

Sechel
Sechel

Assuming hurdles are met. The question is how can we not do this?

Is it a passport or simply an ap that provides book keeping for each countries rules and regulations? Looking at this as a passport is the wrong paradigm. Each country sets their rules and procedures. The ap simply is a convenient way to manage that process. Each country and airline is deciding its own rule here. But for safety knowing your fellow passengers have been testing and/or vaccinated and are wearing a mask can only increase confidence. I don't see how the airline industry revives without it

The International Air Transport Association (IATA) says it expects its digital Covid Travel Pass will be ready "within weeks".

The pass is an app that verifies a passenger has had the Covid-19 tests or vaccines required to enter a country.

It also verifies they were administered by an approved authority.

njbr
njbr

JoJo's Circus...The series is set in Circus Town, a self-sufficient city whose cultural center is the "Big Top" tent. The story focuses on JoJo Tickle, a 6 year old girl clown, and Goliath, JoJo's pet lion. She and Goliath learned at the Little Big Top Circus School, where all young soon-to-be circus performers learn under their teacher Mrs. Kersplatski. Along with her friends, JoJo explores and learns while dealing with challenging situations.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T

Probably the best solution is to send the anti-vaxxers to FEMA camps for their own protection.

KidHorn
KidHorn

I don't see any possible way giving the vaccines to everyone will eliminate COVID. it will mutate, like every other cold virus, and the strains resistant to the vaccine will propagate and emerge next year. And so on. And the vaccines are not 100% effective, so many who get the vaccines will still get the current strain of COVID.

It may lessen the spread, but if the goal is to eliminate COVID. it will never happen.

Rbm
Rbm

You know there are already destinations in the world where vaccines are suggested or required for travel to and from countries.

RonJ
RonJ

"Get Vaccinated Or Else"

Totalitarianism

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Raj Kumar
Raj Kumar

Not quite Ron. Why should a persons personal choice impact another person the same as for passive smoking.

Jojo
Jojo

Because I/we don't give a crap about protecting YOU? If you are worried about catching viruses, then stay in your home and leave the rest of us alone.

RonJ
RonJ

"Not quite Ron. Why should a persons personal choice impact another person the same as for passive smoking."

Totalitarianism doesn't offer a choice.

Passive smoking is irrelevant. HCQ, Ivermectin, vitamin D and other therapeutics can be used against Covid. Fauci never told people they should use vitamin D. It holds no interest to him as there is no money in it for the pharmaceutical industry, just as there isn't for HCQ and Ivermectin.

Some people have had severe negative physical response to the shot. Should people be forced to risk their health or life on an experimental shot? Also, the long term effects of this shot are totally unknown. The effect could be like that of second hand smoke. An affliction that happens many years later.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

Lawsuits wont work. It is a public health risk at the end of the day. You dont have go get any vaccine but it also means you cant really live a normal life.


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