CRT is an attack on Liberal values. Republicans and right wingers have no problem with censorship, repression and “canceling” people they don’t like. CRT and woke identity politics is the left attempting to emulate the right wing to disastrous effect. The right are successful at identity politics (Judeo-Christian family values, etc) because white christians still make up a majority of the electorate. Leftists are stupid because slicing the electorate into smaller segments and pitting them against each other is counter productive and in fact destructive to the values they claim to espouse.
There is no white identity in 2021. The left/CRT is desperately trying to create and focus non-white identities while attacking ‘whiteness’ and national identity. By lining white people up against the rhetorical wall and accusing them of all (collectively) of society’s ills , they will, unfortunately, create a new white identity backlash. This is not healthy but is the inevitable outgrowth of left-wing identitarianism.
CzarChasm Reigns
2 years ago
Seems fair: Democrats get called out for CANCEL culture (finger pointing)…
but it is cool when Republicans take it a step further and BAN a theory (giving it a legal middle finger).
There is plenty of left-wing book burning going on today, as well as firings, struggle sessions and outlawing of opinions. But, yes, we should not ban CRT. It needs to be destroyed culturally.
RonJ
2 years ago
CRT is itself, racist Marxist indoctrination.
Apparently, Marx himself was racist. “Many of Marx’s racist ideas were reported in “Karl Marx, Racist,” a book written by Nathaniel Weyl, a former member of the U.S. Communist Party.”
KidHorn
2 years ago
Substitute the word “White” with “Republican Voter” and you’ll have a better idea of the true agenda.
shamrock
2 years ago
The government can’t ban speech.
threeblindmice
2 years ago
Two thoughts:
1. It’s worse than described here. CRT attacks “enlightenment rationality, equal application of the law” and the very concept of merit. For example, it grants legitimacy to ideas not by the quality of the underlying thinking, but by the alleged victimhood (by group) of the idea’s proponents. It is diametrically opposed to individual rights (the cornerstone of enlightenment ideas) in its approach. CRT would upends 1000 years of moral and legal philosophy. It replaces the goal of a multiethnic America full of individual Americans with a nation of competing oppressors and victims. CRT is evil and its spread is an existential threat to the liberal order, scientific and economic progress, harmony and the wellbeing of both majority and minority communities.
2. No government should ban age-appropriate content for what is taught in schools. CRT should be fought in the culture, not by government fiat.
This was all being pushed hard all through 2020. Trump was certainly not perfect, but it was clear then and proven now installing a Biden Administration would put the Federal Shoulder to the Wheel to impose mass lunacy and discrimination upon America.
Fighting back is a sign of fragility? I thought surrendering was a sign of fragility. Calling Mish a “tree monkey” is a species slur and I as a primate feel offended by what you said and I demand a heart-felt public apology.
Accusing someone of white fragility is a commonly used CRT-infused method to avoid the topic by attacking the speaker. For those younger than 50, that’s called an ad hominem attack and is irrelevant to the topic.
It’s not an attack. It’s a description of how white people get defensive about anything race-related that doesn’t fit what they believe.
I could just as easily say “accusing someone of accusing someone of white fragility is a common fragile white person method to avoid the topic by attacking the speaker”
We flat out don’t see a lot of the unfair crap that happens to brown people, and it’s jarring when we do notice. Some people adjust their attitude to fit the new info, but the fragile ones get mad and reject what they saw.
Have you considered that perhaps folks have made their own judgement that you and CRT proponents see far more racism than actually exists, and are simply rejecting your/their claims? Or that they believe that CRT is likely to make racial divisions worse? Or they notice that racism is at least as prevalent in non-white populations as in white ones (yet that knowledge is forbidden?) You will not succeed in bullying people into accepting beliefs with name-calling or evidence-free accusations of defensiveness. Signed… a proud, American (who, much less importantly, happens to be a ‘brown’ immigrant).
Greggg
2 years ago
How did critical race theory become a theory without first being a hypothesis?
Because nobody outside law school had ever heard of it until the moonbats at Fox News decided to whip up the stupidati with a scary sounding trio of words. Seriously people, go look up what it IS, and where it’s applied, not what tucker Carlson told you with that look of annoyed confusion he always wears.
This one’s more concise, with less editorial license. Some of it’s dubious, but the idea that the government stomps brown people isn’t too hard to support. There are plenty of stats. In any case, it has ‘theory’ right on the end of it. It’s an idea to consider and test, and it isn’t even talked about at the primary and secondary schools where the tree monkeys are shrieking about The Children. The whole kerfluffle is just dumb.
Honestly, I’m surprised to see all these conservative people cheering the creation of a thought crime. Thats usually more of a liberal thing… but these are interesting times.
If it is only an idea to consider and test, can you tell me if alternative views for racial disparities are being taught in schools and propounded on national media? .. other than ‘government stomps brown people’.
Yes. The plan was to keep it secret from the parents who assumed that their school boards were not politicised to the extent that they are. When they found out they didn’t like it.
Whenever people like you are confronted with something you don’t like you cry out conspiracy as if that were an argument and thereby somehow exonerating themselves with forming a reply. You are behind in memes. Conspiracy went out when many so called conspiracy theories about Covid turned out to be true. Now you have to come up with another meme to replace it. Any ideas?
You used conspiracy as a meme and not the definition. The school boards who implemented CRT contrived to pass it off as a new type of teaching method and not an upending of society which it is. Discussion was not only discouraged but actively forbidden in some cases. If you can place key people in institutions you can put in very bad policies if you can slip it in under the radar. People trusted the school boards so they didn’t look carefully but now that trust is gone and they look and they find things they don’t like. Was it secret? I would say it was because it was implemented in a way to keep out of the public eye for as long as possible. You tried to pull a fast one on us.
FWIW, I think 80% of CRT is crap…. but I am against outlawing ideas or running round with our heads on fire about what other people ponder . Let’s stay on the topic of the subthread, shall we?
That topic is “Is Doug78 a conspiracy loving kookaboo?”
You really haven’t said anything in your defense thus far… but I have hopes.
I am against outlawing ideas also but I believe that school curriculum should ultimately be decided by the parents. CRT proponents can say what they like as well as those of opposing views. I dislike much of CRT like you because it clearly is part of an agenda by the worst part of the Democrats of which I believe you are a part. You don’t like much of CRT but you are fine with it if it serves your needs otherwise you would be against it. I understand now why you won’t defend CRT. You don’t like 80% of it. Then tell me why do you want it to be taught to children? Do you not care? Do you have children? If so do you want them to be taught that they are either oppressors or the oppressed and nothing between? Perhaps you don’t dare say what you want because of the repercussions. Imagine if you tell everyone around you that 80% of CRT is crap. You probably tell them that you are in the Resistance.
It is taught to children and you know it. Ten years ago it was only taught in colleges but now it is in the lower grades. That’s where you lie again. No need to agree with you about anything. No need for a statement either other than to state that you practice mendacity. We can agree on that.
Another fact. Teachers have been opposed to parents listening on on what they have been teaching their children during remote classes. Schools have been hiding CRT indoctrination from parents, as they know parents will be opposed to it.
The biggest conspiracy of the day is that phantom systems of oppression (invisible to the naked eye but visible by certain morally superior people) are keeping black people down.
Democrats push something destructive, Zardoz wants us to be angry at those who notice. Earlier you accused Mish of white fragility. I waiting for you to write something worthy of reading, e.g., perhaps…. on substance.
“Where it’s applied”? – How about the idea that Derek Chauvin was not an individual murderer, but merely a stand-in for systemic racism… and his guilty verdict was ‘only the beginning of justice’ (national press). Or Kavanaugh was deemed guilty by some for the crime of being from an affluent white family. Or anytime anyone says, “as a [black/hispanic/asian][gay/trans][woman], I say XXX”. Or when economic success and criminality are treated as outgrowth of the race of the individual and/or “the system”. Or when a black college student at an elite university falsely accuses a white janitor of racially profiling her, the ‘bien pensants’ rush to take her side, imposing a panic-fueled school-wide diversity training because black people are ‘fighting for their right to exist’. CRT is everywhere.
Professors from Brown and Columbia discussing it’s ubiquity: link to youtu.be
I don’t want anybody to be angry at anybody…. But I do get irritated when people act dumber than they are. Watching conservatives lurch from hissy fit to hissy fit is endlessly frustrating.
I’ve been observing the rise of CRT for over 5 years. It came to my attention with the race-related “protests” on various college campuses…like the one at Mizzou in 2015 and the ones at Evergreen in 2107.
My take is that most liberal leaning people mistakenly conflate CRT with the Civil Rights movement of the 1960’s…and that the many viral videos of police using excessive and unnecessary force against black people have increased support for it, in a time and place where social media drives social thought.
The nuances of CRT (and its spin-off BLM) are not generally understood, and I’m fairly sure that far less than a third of the population really has a handle on CRT, where it came from, what it really is, or what the upshot of embracing it as a legitimate movement will be.
Taking a deep dive into the subject is a worthwhile pursuit.
In reality, CRT is the product of a serious dumbing-down of social science…..whereby facts and statistics take a back seat to “lived experience”…and the misguided perceptions of people who have graduate degrees in pseudo-scientific fields of study like Women’s Studies and Africa-American Studies and Multi-Cultural Studies. People who have become prominent and make huge money off CRT….like Robin DiAngelo and Ibram Kendi.
These people who would tell us who we are and explain our “systemic racism” to us, are the academic spawn of Peggy McIntosh, who, from her ivory tower perch at Brown, coined the term White Privilege, which came out of an article she wrote that was basically just a list of examples she came up with, of how much better she had it than some imagined black person……her unvarnished opinions, of how black people were still being systemically mistreated.This was in the 80’s.
Examined closely, CRT is nothing more than a retread of communism. The greatest good for the greatest number, Everybody contributes according to his/her abilities and receives according to his/her needs. Power is the defining principle. Power must be wrested from those who currently wield it (old white men) and be given to the disenfranchised (but no doubt highly deserving) specially designated victims.
To mainstream Democrats, it’s an easy sell, because it fits hand-in-glove with their false narrative that promises special rights for all special groups……racial minorities, women, LGBTQ….anybody who can claim victimhood. It fits perfectly with the main pillar of their belief system, which assumes that (a) anybody who isn’t a white male is oppressed in our society and (b) that the government’s job is to put a thumb on the scales to make things more “fair”.
Your pale primate reparations check is in the mail.