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Damn That Wind, It’s Not Listening to Biden or AOC

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Lack of Wind Pushes Europe’s Power Prices Higher

Just as cold Sets in, Lack of Wind Pushes Europe’s Power Prices Higher.

Amid a sharp pivot from its reliance on Russian natural gas, Europe has built up large reserves of stored gas ahead of this year’s heating season. That has helped ease power and gas prices recently. A particularly mild spell of weather across the continent also helped by pushing back gas withdrawals and keeping stockpiles topped off.

Now, though, colder weather in many places is kicking in at the same time wind speeds have fallen, bolstering demand for gas while reducing the ability of wind farms to generate electricity. This week, wind speeds in Hamburg fell to around 5 meters a second, or about 11 miles an hour, according to the weather forecasting site windy.com. That is the minimum speed required for electricity generation. Speeds of around 15 meters a second, or 33 mph, are needed to produce maximum power generation.The sort of high-pressure systems dominating Europe at the moment tend to result in less wind, said Evangeline Cookson, meteorologist and research analyst at Marex Spectron. Such anomalies in wind speed aren’t particularly unusual. But this one is coming at a time when European governments are observing energy use as they navigate their first winter largely without Russian gas. It also comes at a time of extra sensitivity among consumers and companies to soaring energy bills.

The still spell also comes as France, a key power exporter in Europe, is struggling to get a big chunk of its fleet of nuclear power plants up and running after maintenance issues. Meanwhile, hydropower generation has also struggled. River levels dropped to multiyear lows after the continent experienced a scorching summer.

Day-ahead power prices in Germany for Friday were at 361 euros a megawatt hour, equivalent to $377, up from €108 in the middle of last month, according to data from European Energy Exchange AG. Natural-gas prices have also risen sharply given the extra demand, with benchmark Dutch TTF prices on Thursday sitting above €158 a megawatt hour, having sat at €123 a megawatt hour at the start of the week.

Wind Not Taking Orders

Wind speed is not high enough and the direction is totally wrong. 

Europe needs heavy Westerly winds over North Germany and France. Instead, it’s been getting light Northeasterly winds. 

I believe President needs to issue an executive order pronto, letting the wind and Mother Nature know who is in charge. 

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RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
“Damn That Wind, It’s Not Listening to Biden or AOC”
Not to mention that snow cover is currently greater than the upper standard deviation band for this time of year.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Europe has built up large reserves of stored gas ahead of this year’s heating season
What people fail to add is that gas storage at 100% full represents only 20% of typical gas usage during a winter.
It’s aim was always to supplement maximum pipeline volumes, not to get through the winter.
What’s more, filling the stores the past summer drover rates up to 100× the lowest rate registered 2½ years ago (aug 26, may22, 2020))
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
The EU should set a wind-speed cap and floor, if they can get the Poles to agree.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
The magnetic poles are shifting faster than ever.
WhoFlung
WhoFlung
3 years ago
WowZer has this blog ever spiraled downward.The Biggest story broke today,what we all knew is now fact! And not a story or word here of the Twitter Release. Only unimportant drival,truly sad what this has become.Im outta here !
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  WhoFlung
yes. i’m very disappointed that mish has not published photos of hunter biden’s hog on his blog. we must install mein fuhrer donald drumpf, pronto. sarcasm for the nitwit crowd.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
Let’s not discount the fact that there’s porn on that laptop, that alone could make millions of dollars investment in a Congressional investigation well worth it.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  WhoFlung
What story? If its only more political bs you are interested in, then please go away. Personally, I prefer the economic and investment ideas here. Stuff that ACTUALLY MATTERS. Not political bs.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Hear! Hear!
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Yeah, I’m tired of all this investment and profit crap.
I want more Global Economics and GLOBAL POLITICS like the Mish Talk headline says.
I need more info about what’s going on in the world and what might be implied.
Don’t need more info about how much someone with excess cash profited last week/month.
As James Goldsmith said: “When you see a bandwagon coming down the street it’s too late.”
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
as and EU citizen and USA native born citizen, i’ve always contended the germans are the dumbest the EU has. why would MISH need to blast biden and aoc about german idiocracy. click bait i presume. ok. i get that. but alas, germans are dumbphucks. french about 200x smarter. the italians and spanish and greeks about 500x smarter about life on planet earth. most amerikans have no clue.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
You’ve come to the same conclusion as I did. I put it to pre-conditioning, most of Germanic peoples have a tendancy to delegate to some authority, an approved opinion. So you have a pantheon of German philosophers, who make an exact science out of something that others call common sense. It’s mostly positve, but sometimes plain dumb.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
otto von bismarck, stripped away thinking of the german people and trained them to be good little workers and leave the thinking to him and the new german state. “ominous parallels” book explains the philosophical background to this. nihilism is what it produced withing a generation or two. btw, the amerikan ruling class copied that model a century ago.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
Funny to mention Otto von Bismarck. He was one of the most capable German politicians. Had he lived 50 years longer, the map of Europe would likely look much different from today.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
100% CAPABLE. ON BATTLEFIELD AND IN BRAINWASHING. HE INVENTED SS AND MEDICARE. AND ALSO VERY VILE. PARDON CAPITALS.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn

The world is full of very complicated issues. And there are rarely any easy solutions to these problems.

It is relatively easy to complain about our inability to solve these complex problems. And way too easy to target particular groups as the group that is to be blamed for the lack of solutions.
Instead of looking to blame someone, I prefer to look for the investment opportunities that the problems present. Because I cannot solve the problems either. But I can profit from them.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
there is more to life than investing. one can walk and chew gum at same time. philosophy which drives politics which drives policy will ultimately affect pocket books. and all those topics are immensely interesting to thinkers throughout the ages. along with science and art and history and anthropology and astronomy………
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
“there is more to life than investing”
So true. We all have to prioritize our limited time. I devote a small chunk of my valuable time to investing. And as close to zero as possible for political discussion. Since I consider political discussion almost useless.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
It’s a good thing that politics has no effect on economics and investing.
Oh, wait …
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Of course politics has an effect on economics and investing. Which is why I pay attention to it. For example, I began investigating Hydrogen companies after Biden’s hydrogen subsidies in the Inflation Reduction act.
However, political “discussion”, particularly by commenters on a blog who have no say in what actually happens politically, is a huge waste of time.
OUdaveguy
OUdaveguy
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
The world is full of very bad policies. They are always worth discussing, for investing purposes and beyond.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  OUdaveguy
What investment strategy have you derived from Hunter’s laptop?
Quagmire46
Quagmire46
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Selling access to the vice president of the United States to foreign actors can be very profitable.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Don’t invest in Ukraine.
Or use cocaine – to excess.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  OUdaveguy
Discuss away. But there is only a limited amount of time that each of us has. I don’t like to waste much of mine on things I can’t have any affect on.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Sound like a good plan.
Why don’t you give up on trying to convince folks here to quit discussing economics/politics and focus solely on making money.
It should be obvious, even to you, that your continual diatribes have no effect.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
That is what I am attempting to do. I am trying to get them to focus on making money and improving their lives, rather than wasting their time on political discussion. Of course, I only spend roughly an hour a week at this pursuit.
You, on the other hand, are free to keep spending as much time as you wish in encouraging them to waste their time.
Quagmire46
Quagmire46
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
I wonder if their is an investment opportunity in insulation in Europe? After this winter it may be a hot commodity. Pun intended.
MikeC711
MikeC711
3 years ago
If you factor in the 23 million people each year who die from internal pollution/energy burning (generally poorest people dying from burning wood or dung inside the home to provide needed heat) … suddenly inexpensive fossil fuels which may even include (GASP!!) fracking will save many many lives and improve the environment (burning of wood and dung provides far more carbon damage per unit of energy). Why is it so easy to see one side making their case or the other side making their case … and so few folks who truly convey the whole story.
OUdaveguy
OUdaveguy
3 years ago
Reply to  MikeC711
Corporate media’s job is to conceal the truth, rather than reveal. Obfuscation on this topic, and every other issue, is their modus operandi.
Billy
Billy
3 years ago

The citizens in these countries are so ignorant that they will re-elect the same leaders who failed to provide enough affordable energy.

Just like the failed leaders of cities and states with insane amounts of crime and murder.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Billy

More useless moaning and complaining from the peanut gallery here. Too bad all these ignorant people won’t put you in charge of all these cities, states and countries. Because only you can fix it. Right? What is “your” brilliant plan to fix everything?

vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
EVER watch the kids show “pinkie and the brain”. my kids used to. “take over the world, pinkie”. most of my nit wit pals, lefty and righty remind me of pinky and the brain. i humor most by saying oh yes, that’s a wonderfully great idea. they are dumb enough to think i’m serious.
Billy
Billy
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Well for starters, I’d try something different.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  Billy
The Germans haven’t even figured out that Nord Stream was an act of war by the US
shamrock
shamrock
3 years ago
Yes we all know the problem with wind and solar, what is your solution?
Idaho
Idaho
3 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
Drill baby, Drill.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Idaho
That is not happening.
Not in the US. Not in the rest of the world. Oil companies are not going to spend the money to develop future reserves that might end up being stranded assets.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
YOU PAPA DAVE ARE A GODDAMN GENIUS. THANKS.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Precisely so.
shamrock
shamrock
3 years ago
Reply to  Idaho
That might work for your lifetime but eventually the oil runs out. Meanwhile I’m sure you will be bitching about food inflation brought on by poor growing conditions like extreme heat, cold, floods, and drought, among other things.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
Then, it becomes an argument over whether it’s man-made.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
3 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
“That might work for your lifetime but eventually the oil runs out”
Eventually, the sun burns out, too.
Which is a poor excuse for not enjoying it while it still shines.
When faced with a hard problem, about which knowledge is incomplete, the best solution is almost invariably to punt. Do that, and by the time you’re out of punts, your knowledge about the problem has increased.
Of course, nothing wrong with those who feel they already have a solution, acting on it. But: Everything wrong with them being able to force others to also do so.
Meaning: Nothing wrong with a bunch of Germans putting up a windfarm to serve their power needs. But, everything wrong with those Germans then forcing other Germans to stop doing what they feel best solves their energy problem. Including buying gas from Russia and Iran.
strataland
strataland
3 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
Support for more nuclear energy research is a starting point.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
No easy solutions. Just a lot of people moaning and complaining.
The world consumes more energy every year (or 9 out of 10 years anyway). We need more wind, solar, nuclear, fossil etc. We also need more energy efficiency and cleaner energy.
Even with a very concerted effort right now and for the next decade, we are a long way away from any viable solutions.
So market forces will provide some of the solution. The main force will be higher prices for a limited supply of fossil fuels, which will lead to reduced consumption.
Which is why I am heavily invested in oil and gas companies.
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
We already have the solution. Fossil fuels. We have enough for perhaps another century.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
No surprises in this story. Global warming is exacerbating climate change and increasing weather variability. Jet stream getting messy. Polar vortexes being pushed down from the Arctic. Heat domes. Record droughts, rains, floods etc. It’s becoming a weather sh*t show.
This is affecting wind, water and even nuclear electrical generation; water transport; irrigation; etc etc
We need a lot more renewable energy production. But I am not holding out much hope for a quick transition to more renewables. After several decades of renewable build out, the world is still reliant on fossil fuels for 80% of its energy. I can’t see that changing anytime soon.
Demand for oil, specifically, is around 100 MBPD and has been increasing by an average of 1 MBPD for the last 30 years, even as we were adding more renewables. And it is going to keep increasing by 1 MBPD for the next decade at least.
The question becomes; where will we get the next 10 MBPD of supply? How will we get to 110 MBPD? No one is making the capex needed to increase supply by that much.
The US could increase production by 1 MBPD from 12 MBPD to 13, “if” the companies were willing to spend the capex. But they aren’t. There are not enough incentives to get them to make the necessary investments.
The Saudis “are” going to spend a lot on capex in order to add 1 MBPD by 2027!
Haven’t heard of anyone else in OPEC making major capex. And OPEC and OPEC+ production is actually declining right now. OPEC declines will likely offset the 1 MBPD the Saudis might add in 5 years time.
The global oil majors are increasing capex a little, but no where near enough to make much of a supply contribution. Perhaps they can add another 1 MBPD .
Net result: there will continue to be an oil supply shortage for the rest of this decade at least. This means that we will need higher oil prices in order to lower demand to match supply. And that makes many oil stocks great investments going forward.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
i concur with your take on future of energy. and i appreciate your current investment ideas even more. i wish mish and his commenters would post more investment stuff. my memory is fuzzy as i read many decent econ blogs, but i seem to recall mish site having more investment players 15 years ago. i have done quite well with all the energy picks i’ve pulled triggers on past few years. and in short term, taiwan semiconductor and nucor steel and telefonica of spain, freeport mcmaoran and the canada energy cos you recommended here. thanks papa D.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
Yes. Excellent investment advice here a few years ago. Particularly Realist and Eddie. Though I understand why Mish does not provide advice. Legal Liability concerns.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
3 years ago
33 MPH is a very high wind speed. Only during a storm does the wind exceed 20 MPH at my house. 1 day a week of wind generated energy is not going to replace nuclear or fossil fuel based energy.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
Historic average wind speeds in the US (10m above ground) can be viewed here: https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/wind/
You elect morons, you get moronic decisions.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Most states have around 15 MPH avg winds, several fall to 13 mph.
You might find this interesting –
“If you are lucky enough to live in an area that has wind speeds between 10-20 mph (or 15-32 kph), then you are in business as the available wind power is proportional to the cube of the winds velocity, ( K*V3 ).

In other words, if the wind speed doubles, you can get eight times the wind power from it up to the turbines maximum wind speed.”

Siliconguy
Siliconguy
3 years ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
It’s not very reliable here either, here being Eastern Washington. The green line shows the current wind output. There is about 2800 MW of wind capacity in the BPA service area.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
After US loss the stock market might be in a bad mood.
Mary
Mary
3 years ago
The US taxpayers actually paid someone to research and conclude:
Wind plant performance—how much electricity a wind plant generates compared with its maximum possible generation—depends almost entirely on the availability of wind resources, which vary depending on both the time of year and the geographic region.”
What do I need to do to get paid $200,000 per year to make such pronouncements? I have a few science degrees but I do have a modicum of integrity
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Mary
are you presentable and interview well?
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Mary
Wind plant performance—how much electricity a wind plant generates compared with its maximum possible generation—depends almost entirely on the availability of wind resources, which vary depending on both the time of year and the geographic region.”
I have to ask, after reading it myself, is this all you got from that report?
.
Mary
Mary
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
I have to ask is why someone would write such a silly statement as the introductory statement.
Quagmire46
Quagmire46
3 years ago
Reply to  Mary
Possibly for the same reason my car’s owner’s manual advises me not to drink the liquid in the battery.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Quagmire46
Ah, the tertiary effects of class action lawsuits.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  Mary
Measuring the relationship at various points with temporal granularity is non-trivial.
Ascertaining that one will be less than the other is, yes, obvious.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
I constantly ask myself one simple question; why do people listen to these idiots? Somehow, not even stupid explains it.
bikeeagle1
bikeeagle1
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
I’m convinced that liberals are proof that we are living in a simulation. They aren’t real. They’re just part of the game.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  bikeeagle1
I feel that way about anyone who gives up their God-given sovereignty in order to follow anyone. Real people rule themselves. Anything less is slavery.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  bikeeagle1
Yes, many politicians appear to be dependent upon prototype codes that weren’t adequately debugged.
hmk
hmk
3 years ago
Check out the preeminent natural resource analysts Goering and Rosenzeig (spelling may be off). They have a paper on how useless and uneconomic wind an solar are. Their energy invested on energy returned is the equivalent to wood. Most economical energy is nuclear. Our politicians are useless, corrupt and incompetent. Go woke and broke.
PreCambrian
PreCambrian
3 years ago
I think that you miss the point of wind and solar energy. You use it when you can make it. It reduces but does not eliminate the need for other energy sources. When wind or solar isn’t available then you can use natural gas (or oil fired) peaking plants, or some storage like solar thermal or hydropower. Nuclear isn’t good for peaking but is very good for base load.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  PreCambrian
This means redundant systems–not particularly cost effective.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
ha ha ha. too funny. hat tip for comedy.
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
IF the fuel costs are high enough ( think Maui) then solar or wind might save you enough money to pay for itself. It’s not a hard calculation to do.
But to run entirely off of it, you need three or four times nameplate to make up for less windy or more cloudy days, plus the battery bank, and you still need a generator for long calm, cloudy spells.
gvnaga
gvnaga
3 years ago
are you serious about an Executive order about the wind !!!!!
Good for Mother Nature who has her own plans and not listen to our leaders …
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  gvnaga
It seems you fail to understand obvious sarcasm
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
one must use /SARC when dealing with nit wits, middle brows and assorted lumpenproles and dumbphucks in idiocracy. big lebowski summed it all up.

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