Democrats are In the Lead in Both Georgia Senate Races

Georgia Senate Runoff Contestants

Republican U.S. Senators Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue face Democratic challengers Raphael Warnock and Jon Ossoff in Georgia runoff elections. 

Spotlight on the Polls

Many people dissed the 2020 election polls. Yes, the polls had problems. But the problems were universal and the polls did get the presidential election winner.

Trafalgar vs. Nate Silver

State by State Results

  • Georgia: Biden 49.5 vs Trump 49.3: Biden +0.2
  • Nevada: Biden 50.1 vs Trump 47.7: Biden +2.4
  • Florida: Trump 51.2 vs Biden 47.9: Trump +3.3
  • Pennsylvania: Biden 50.0 vs Trump 48.8: Biden +1.2
  • Ohio: Trump 53.3 vs Biden 45.3: Trump +8.0
  • Michigan: Biden 50.6 vs Trump 47.8: Biden +2.8
  • North Carolina: Trump 50.1 vs Biden 48.7: Trump 1.4
  • Arizona: Biden 49.4 vs Trump 49.1: Biden +0.3
  • Wisconsin Biden 49.6 vs Trump 48.9: Biden +0.7

The above election results from Politico.

State by State Absolute Value of Errors

  • Georgia: Trafalgar 4.5, Silver 0.5 
  • Nevada: Trafalgar 3.1, Silver 3.7
  • Florida: Trafalgar 1.2, Silver 5.8 
  • Pennsylvania: Trafalgar 3.1, Silver 3.5 
  • Ohio: Trafalgar 3.2, Silver 7.4
  • Michigan: Trafalgar 5.3, Silver 5.2  
  • North Carolina: Trafalgar 0.7, Silver 3.1
  • Arizona: Trafalgar 2.8, Silver 2.3 
  • Wisconsin: Trafalgar 1.1, Silver 7.6  

In Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arizona, and Nevada, if you averaged Silver and Trafalgar you would have been nearly on the money due to offsetting errors. 

On the whole, it was not a good performance by anyone but Silver did get the overall call correctly.

Please don’t disclose your TCS and claim Trump won, because there is virtually no evidence of substantial fraud. 

Trafalgar on Georgia Senate

If you happen to be a believer in Trafalgar, then they currently have Ossoff at +3.0 and Warnock at +1.0.

Silver adjusted Trafalgar to Ossoff +5.0 and Warnock +5.0.

Based on the general election, it’s not clear why Silver should adjust Trafalgar at all, but do note that Georgia happened to be Trafalgar’s second biggest miss. 

Georgia Early Senate Voting

Georgia early voting for the January 5 runoff has ended. A record 3 million Georgia voters cast their ballots already.

What Does the Early Voting Tell Us?

For discussion, please consider the 538 article What The Early Vote In Georgia Can and Can’t Tell Us.

Note, at the time of the article were were not yet 3 million+
votes cast.

Through Monday, more people — 2,337,477 — have officially voted in Georgia’s upcoming Senate runoff than in any other runoff in Georgia history. That’s a meaningful milestone considering that the eight previous runoff elections have all been low-turnout affairs. But it doesn’t necessarily tell us anything about who is going to win this year’s races.

For instance, we don’t know how those 2.3 million voters voted (while turnout numbers are released on a daily basis, no actual election results are reported until polls close at 7 p.m. Eastern on Jan. 5). And because Georgia does not register voters by party, we don’t know whether those voters are disproportionately Democrats or Republicans either.

We do have some clues about who has voted thanks to demographic information in the voter file: namely, voters’ race. Voters so far in Georgia are 55 percent non-Hispanic white, 32 percent non-Hispanic Black and 13 percent of other races (or of unknown race). That’s a more diverse electorate than at this point in the general election, when, according to The New York Times/Upshot’s Nate Cohn, fewer than 30 percent of early voters were Black. At first glance, that might seem like a good omen for Democrats given their strength with Black voters. And there are other rosy signs for Democrats in the early-voting data too, like turnout being lowest in two heavily Republican congressional districts in north Georgia.

But none of that will matter if hordes of white voters and north Georgia Republicans turn out to vote on election day, which is very possible. Potentially millions of people have yet to vote, and because the type of person who votes early is different from the type of person who votes on election day, those voters could completely change the face of the electorate. (Indeed, more than 975,000 Georgians voted on Election Day in November, and President Trump won them 60 percent to 38 percent. The Black share of the electorate wound up lower than the Black share of the early vote in November as well.) As the saying goes, don’t count your chickens before they hatch, and don’t form any opinions about who is going to win Georgia based on the early vote.

Thus, the short answer is the early polls tell us nothing other than the turnout will likely set a record.

The polls don’t tell us much either. 

The six most recent pollsters are rated C, B/C, C-, Not Rated, B/C, and Not Rated.

There are few quality polls and few recent polls. Perhaps the most meaningful shift is the change by Trafalgar.

It is the only pollster on that list twice.

Traalgar went from Perdue +3.0 to Ossoff +3.0 and Loeffler +7.0 to Warnock +1.0.

That’s a huge shift between December 16 and December 27.

Nothing would surprise me but I suspect this will be a split. To pick one, it would be Warnock.

What If?

If Democrats win both seats they have a shot at controlling the agenda assuming no defections either way. 

And if that happens, much of the blame will go to Trump for his petulant whining and downright dangerous tactics as noted in Trump’s Dangerous Delusions Increase in Magnitude.

Even still, wild Progressive ideas won’t likely pass as a 51-50 coalition would be too fragile.

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Mish
Mish
3 years ago

The polls provide a snapshot with a margin of error. The main problem is the margin of error is way larger than reported.

Rocky Raccoon
Rocky Raccoon
3 years ago

Everything Donald Trump touches dies.

Bsalarm
Bsalarm
3 years ago

No poll should be published anymore without a detailed accounting of ascertainment. How many asked? How many replied? At the very least. And giving the pollsters credit for picking the presidential winner is ridiculous. There were only 2 candidates and they got it wrong last time. That’s random.

Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Bsalarm

I am unaware of any published polls that do not do what you ask.
One does have to dig for the details, but they are there.

amigator
amigator
3 years ago

Sure I believe in polls but not quite as much as my Horoscope.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer
3 years ago

This video is garbage. Many precincts go 75/25 all the time in America. Even in the suburbs and cities this happens.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer
3 years ago

The only way the Dems won’t win these seats is if everyone who voted for the Republican candidates in November does the same. That doesn’t look likely with a small percentage of Republicans saying they will either not vote or write in Trump’s name. That will be enough to tip the Senate to the Dems. Trump supporters are really the dumbest people anywhere. They are still contributing to him.

JonSellers
JonSellers
3 years ago

Yes, but they are the heart and soul of the GOP. The GOP is doomed without them.

AshH
AshH
3 years ago

PredictIt currently has Warnock at 62% odds and Ossoff at 53% odds.

Curiously they also have the Dems not winning both seats at 55% odds.

Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  AshH

Nothing curious about that. Odds of winning both are .62 * .53 = .33

Carl_R
Carl_R
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish

You can’t multiply the odds directly because the two are not independent.

AshH
AshH
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish

@Carl_R is exactly right. These were not independent events, and were likely to be highly correlated.

In theory, for independent events, the odds of a split result would be about 49% ( 0.62×0.47 + 0.38×0.53), but in reality it’s probably less than 10%.

Rbm
Rbm
3 years ago

Funny ive been spending to much time on face book. I have noticed a lot less far right chatter from my right friends. Wondering if they figured out how they are getting played or have they moved to parlor. Did see a tenn tea party post. Guess the have to get back in the game since the dem are in.

njbr
njbr
3 years ago

Trump is expected to give Rep. Devin Nunes (farmer with NO cow) the Presidential Medal of Freedom — the nation’s highest civilian honor — on Monday, and to give the same award to Rep. Jim (Gym) Jordan next week.

njbr
njbr
3 years ago
Reply to  njbr

John Doe is the second person to say he told Jordan directly about either being approached or molested by Strauss, whom independent investigators from Perkins Coie found to have “sexually abused at least 177 male student-patients” over two decades.

The report stated, “We find that University personnel had knowledge of Strauss’ sexually abusive treatment of male student-patients as early as 1979, but the complaints about Strauss’ conduct were not elevated beyond the Athletics Department of Student Health until 1996.”

Mr. Purple
Mr. Purple
3 years ago

Maybe goldguy can off himself like his Nashville buddy.

Mr. Purple
Mr. Purple
3 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Purple

If you can swallow the shit religion dishes out, you’ll literally believe anything.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T
3 years ago

My WAG is that the Dems win both seats………..and if so……Republicans can put the blame squarely on soon-to-be ex-President Trump. He sacrificed Loeffler and Perdue in his attempt to cheat to win the Presidency. Simple as that. I hope they noticed.

I just wouldn’t read more into having a narrow majority than what it really means.

“The Senate operates with the 60-vote-requirement filibuster rule. There are 100 Senate seats, and it takes 60 Senate votes for “closure” on a piece of legislation….to bring that piece of legislation to the floor of the Senate for amendments and a final vote….that final vote is decided by a simple majority in most cases. But it takes 60 Senate votes to even have a chance of being voted upon.”

Pardon me for plagiarizing that, but I’m not going to post a reference. It’s true enough. It takes more than a simple majority to push legislation through the Senate. You have to buy politicians on both sides of the aisle.

Johnson1
Johnson1
3 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T

I hop the Dems win so there will be no excuses in healing America. They will be able to push their agenda through. If it does not work the republicans will get a try again in 4 years and on and on we go.

We all know who makes the decisions though…..corporate lobbyists. If Hedge Funds and Insurance Companies want to keep the gravy train high interest Student loan investments going they will make sure the Dems do not forgive student loans

Carl_R
Carl_R
3 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T

Indeed, the polls show a sharp swing around Christmas towards the Dems. Was that due to Trump calling for $2000 to make Senate Republicans look bad? Perhaps. Was it due to Trump’s refusal to concede? Perhaps. Either way, Trump gave the Dems a boost, but then, he’s no Republican.

JoeJohnson
JoeJohnson
3 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T

Exactly the opposite, if Democrats win in Georgia it will vindicate Trump. In their hearts Perdue and Loeffler are elitist RINOs, not something Georgia wants or needs.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T
3 years ago
Reply to  JoeJohnson

Look…Democrats winning Georgia means one less conservative Southern state.

Warnock and Ossoff are both a lot less Republican that either Loeffler or Perdue. You can bet on that.

It really remains to be seen if vindicating Trump even matters. As soon as he leaves the White House, he falls through a hole in the privy, the way it looks to me…..let’s see how he smells when he comes out of his pending criminal prosecutions.

ajc1970
ajc1970
3 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T

“The Senate operates with the 60-vote-requirement filibuster rule.”

The Senate rules can be changed with a simple majority vote.

Schumer has threatened to entirely nuke the filibuster.

There is only 1 right-leaning Dem in the Senate (Manchin) that the rest of the party needs to buy off to pass anything they want.

Jackula
Jackula
3 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T

Good point re the senate filibuster rule. Our system has lasted because of checks and balances and being somewhat slow to change or blow whichever way the wind direction is. Our government is supposed to be the referee to insure a fair playing field and stay relatively lean. Recent times of too much money in politics, a weakened 4th estate, and now the pandemic and a backdrop of an accellerating pace of change are major challenges. We are seeing our system of checks and balances work pretty good thru the existing political challenges and I think a lot of change in our goverment is coming over the next 10 years

Lance Manly
Lance Manly
3 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T

You can change tax and budget policy using reconciliation with a simple majority.

JoeJohnson
JoeJohnson
3 years ago
Reply to  Lance Manly

Yes but that requires 50 votes.

JoeJohnson
JoeJohnson
3 years ago

Which makes me wonder if Schumer will be able to get Manchin, Collins and Murkowski on board for a 3rd “stimulus”.

goldguy
goldguy
3 years ago
Reply to  JoeJohnson

No problem about another stimulus, that will happen every 6 months or so, no matter who gets elected, done deal, the only way they can get any amount of GDP out of the economy.

JoeJohnson
JoeJohnson
3 years ago

These races are tossups, a lot of conservatives will stay home. White rural voters in Georgia were and are in their heart populist, they are not country club Romney/McConnell Republicans.

aprnext
aprnext
3 years ago

Darn! Those Georgia late vote counts again!

goldguy
goldguy
3 years ago

Fraud in Georgia that nobody wants to see.

goldguy
goldguy
3 years ago
Reply to  goldguy

Just ready to die to keep my freedom…something you will never understand, probably never had to as well.

Carl_R
Carl_R
3 years ago
Reply to  goldguy

It may be true that to stop would-be-Dictator Trump from taking over, Americans will die. Will Americans stand up and fight for freedom? I don’t know. I fear they just don’t care, and will roll over and let Trump become President for Life, to be followed by his son. I hope for the best, but only time will tell.

goldguy
goldguy
3 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R

He won’t be president for life…just because he has a massive ego, does not mean much to me, I mean really, so what? Alot of people on the hill have massive egos…its part of the job description.

Americans are sick and tired of your typical politician, thats why he was elected in the first place. I blame all of the liars in congress over the last few decades which got us into this mess. Trump would not be president if we had an honest government. Look at this dishonest election that just took place. Common sense tells us that.

Anda
Anda
3 years ago
Reply to  goldguy

You’re going to get wrapped into that online meme created by those who do not want a clear audit as being conpiranoia self delusional own tail chasing in increasingly lost frenzy. It’s an amusing idea for some I suppose. Those who deny pursuit of clear audit are the actual conspiracists or deluded as far as I make out , not against Trump but against an honest vote…”because of Trump” ironically.

As you put in the other side of the argument, I figured I’d back it up with reasonably coherent similar, because I read around and there is enough credible sense to the allegations of fraud or of cover-up.

Anda
Anda
3 years ago
Reply to  Anda

Also

has its own angle.

Anyway, I’m not checking on replies to these comments , for obvious reasons…to spare others having to be hostile etc.

njbr
njbr
3 years ago
Reply to  Anda

Yeah, right “Natural News” is a credible site.

Bone deep stupidity.

njbr
njbr
3 years ago
Reply to  Anda

Anda is one more of those “foreign voices” working hard for Trump.

I wonder why a random guy in Portugal is so invested in pushing Trump baloney.

You know, maybe you should try to avoid internet conspiracy theories–it just makes you look ignorant.

You guys, on this investment/business site, did you all invest heavily in all the scammers over the years–Enron, WorldCom, Tyco, Bernie Madoff?

That’s the level of smarts your seem to have.

Muppets.

lanfellas
lanfellas
3 years ago
Reply to  Anda

So help me understand if you were able to gather all of this “evidence” of voter fraud how come the Trump legal wasn’t able to present it in court? It does appear that you were able to research all of this fraud but his lawyers weren’t? All of the dismissals were due to lack of evidence because it is not the courts’ responsibility to build the case. Have you tried to reach out to Rudy or Lin with what you found?

brian henry
brian henry
3 years ago

Must have had Dominion counting machines which will pump the Democrat no. at the end !

caradoc-again
caradoc-again
3 years ago

Buy Gold, Silver. $ will suffer as wilder and wilder policies become the norm if Dems have their way.

nzyank
nzyank
3 years ago
Reply to  caradoc-again

Actually the opposite – gold was at a high at the end of the Bush term and ecomomy a mess, dropped during Obama’s terms, and is now back up to a high under Trump, with economy a mess again. Looking at the 15 year gold chart, I certainly wouldn’t want to be long gold right now.

Johnson1
Johnson1
3 years ago
Reply to  nzyank

Gold is okay. compare it long term to any M2 money supply or inflation charts and there is a good correlation imho

Tengen
Tengen
3 years ago
Reply to  caradoc-again

It’s a big reach to play the red/blue game on spending. We’re approaching $30T in national debt because of wild irresponsibility all around. The banks are the most reckless of all and they have steadfast bipartisan support.

njbr
njbr
3 years ago

@tedcruz used to boast that as a youngster he memorized the Constitution and recited it before civic organizations. So he knows there is no constitutional procedure of this sort. He’s just lying. And @MariaBartiromo eats it up. These people are deplorable and dangerous….

…Ted Cruz tells Maria Bartiromo that the “electoral commission” he’s demanding could ultimately “set aside” the election results — the implication being that this would clear the way for another Trump term…

goldguy
goldguy
3 years ago
Reply to  njbr

It could be coming, another 4 years of Trump.

Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  goldguy

You are delusional if you think Trump has a shot.

Sechel
Sechel
3 years ago

wondering how Trump’s leaked call with the Georgia Secretary of State plays into this. The President of the United States is openly encouraging and threatening John Raffensperger to commit election fraud

njbr
njbr
3 years ago
Reply to  Sechel

The psychology at work when Raffsenberger says no, he did not allow ballot shredding etc and Trump says, “I’m notifying you that you are letting it happen.” Notifying.

njbr
njbr
3 years ago
Reply to  Sechel

How is this entire conversation not a crime?

Sechel
Sechel
3 years ago
Reply to  njbr

It is a crime.

njbr
njbr
3 years ago
Reply to  Sechel

Hard to imagine, say… Marion Barry or Kwame Kilpatrick caught on tape doing this and not ending up with a stint in Club Fed

goldguy
goldguy
3 years ago
Reply to  njbr

sheeesh, nobody goes to jail anymore, nobody!

njbr
njbr
3 years ago
Reply to  Sechel

Trump: “There’s nothing wrong with saying, you know, um, that you’ve recalculated.”

njbr
njbr
3 years ago
Reply to  Sechel

The idea that you can’t be simultaneously incompetent and fascist requires ignoring the entire history of fascism

Augustthegreat
Augustthegreat
3 years ago
Reply to  Sechel

Criminal! prison!

Anda
Anda
3 years ago
Reply to  Sechel

Not really. If you think there are many tens of thousands of votes that are not legal, he is saying that he is after the amount needed of those to tip the election. If you think that Raff. is responsible for cover up, then he is warning him that that is illegal. Etc. So that audio doesn’t go either way. If for example Trump was right on the fraud, his words would make good enough sense, but if there was no fraud then he would be seen to be pressuring Raff., but not nescessarily knowing he was wrong to because at that time his information might be telling him there was fraud.

njbr
njbr
3 years ago
Reply to  Anda

Hey, where has there been any incidents of fraud?

50 cases, all thrown out.

Stupidity, refusal to face facts, and wholesale fantasy do not excuse criminal behavior.

Sechel
Sechel
3 years ago
Reply to  Sechel

The best part of the call was at round the 46 minute mark where Trump tells Raffsenperger, You probably have a very good lawyer. He has a fine last name

davebarnes2
davebarnes2
3 years ago

Who believes in political polls in the USA anymore?
I was a junkie. No longer.

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