Serious Questions On Treatment
Please consider Science.Org’s take on Antibody Treatment for COVID-19.
The article is confusing in that it discusses treatments by two different companies, Regeneron and Lily.
Here are a few snips regarding Regeneron.
James Crowe, a viroimmunologist at Vanderbilt University who is working with AstraZeneca to develop COVID-19 monoclonal antibodies, welcomed Regeneron’s detailed preliminary results. “I applaud Regeneron for releasing so much information,” Crowe says. “They’re contributing to public health by releasing this as soon as possible.” But he notes even people who did well on the monoclonal cocktail still had low levels of virus detectable after their treatment, which in theory could cause problems. “I was surprised that there was any virus at all given that these are such potent antibodies,” he says, adding that the residual virus detected in the swab tests may not be capable of copying itself.
Regeneron’s trial had only 12 patients who had “COVID-19–related medically attended visits.” Although there was a trend toward more of these in the placebo group than treatment arms, only one was hospitalized.
Regeneron’s data raise difficult questions about when to use its cocktail. People who test positive for SARS-CoV-2 aren’t routinely screened for antibodies to it or for levels of the virus. “If the decision is going to be made to deploy such a therapeutic solution in the patients who might benefit the most and need it most, we’re going to have to solve the problem of using the right point-of-care diagnostic tools, either for serology or high viral load,” Yancopoulos said, noting that their partners—including Roche—are developing these types of assays.
Monoclonal antibodies are more difficult to make than many drugs and often are extremely expensive, which means that supply could outstrip demand and many countries might not be able to afford them. The U.S. government’s Operation Warp Speed has invested $450 million in Regeneron to produce up to 300,000 “doses” of its cocktail by the end of the year, which would be distributed to Americans free of charge.
Regeneron saw no difference between its low- and high-dose preparations used in the study.
Key Details
- Trump took a large doses even though they performed no better in tests.
- The trial only had 12 patients who had “COVID-19–related medically attended visits.
- Trump’s Operation Warp Speed has invested $450 million in Regeneron
Statement from Regeneron
Please consider Regeneron Confirms that REGN-COV2 Antibody Cocktail Provided to
President Trump Under Compassionate Use Request.
Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, Inc. (NASDAQ: REGN) today confirmed that, as announced
by the White House Press Secretary, Regeneron provided a single 8 gram dose of REGNCOV2, a cocktail of two monoclonal antibodies, for use by President Trump. REGN-COV2 is an investigational COVID-19 therapy, which was provided in response to an Individual Patient Investigational New Drug (IND) application (commonly known as ‘compassionate use’ request) from the President’s physicians.
Dose Questioned
Curious that Trump received 8 gram dose of Regeneron monoclonal antibody cocktail. As the company reported earlier this week, providing this slide, 8g (green) looked no better than 2.4g (red) at reducing viral levels.https://t.co/ZwGd4ZayUa pic.twitter.com/sNe1oFNuGu
— Jon Cohen (@sciencecohen) October 2, 2020
4) Furthermore, the existing clinical trial showing @Regeneron’s latest polyclonal antibody shows…. *NO EFFECT* on clinical outcomes.
HT to @andreafeigl1 for finding this. https://t.co/tLHCx7UJqP pic.twitter.com/ElWHctLU2i
— Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) October 2, 2020
Physicians Decided to Start Remdesivir Therapy for Trump
Bloomberg reports Physicians Decided to Start Remdesivir Therapy for Trump
Medical specialists have elected to start Remdesivir therapy for President Donald Trump, according to a tweet from Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany that cites a statement from his physician.
Remdesivir is made by Gilead.
Remdesivir and COVID-19
Finally, please consider Remdesivir and COVID-19
In the first published placebo-controlled trial of remdesivir for treating severe COVID-19, Yeming Wang and colleagues were unable to attain their primary endpoint of time to clinical improvement. Although admittedly underpowered due to early trial termination, remdesivir did not appear to affect rates of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) viral RNA load decline and mortality when compared with placebo. Given these disappointing findings, we are left to wonder if a lack of clinically significant outcomes in placebo-controlled trials could have been predicted. By inhibiting early coronavirus life cycle in vitro and in animal models, remdesivir might require initiation before the peak viral replication, which is not feasible in the clinical human presentation of COVID-19.
In cell cultures exposed to murine coronavirus, early remdesivir initiation substantially decreased viral titres compared with control. However, this treatment effect was completely lost when initiation occurred just 8 h after infection. In another study, mice administered early remdesivir relative to inoculation with SARS-CoV had substantially reduced lung damage compared with untreated cohorts, an effect that was lost when initiation was delayed by 2 days after inoculation. The need for early treatment has been identified in additional animal models, as Wang and colleagues confirm, with remdesivir initiation following peak viral replication being unable to affect disease severity or mortality.
The stories indicate Trump is on at least two distinct treatments.
There are many COVID-19 Disease Treatments in various states of testing by Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, Mateon Therapeutics, Ely Lily, Innovation Pharmaceuticals, Sorrento Therapeutics, Algernon Pharmaceuticals, Genentech, Humanigen, Inc., Eiger BioPharmaceuticals, FSD Pharma Inc. RedHill Biopharma Ltd, Corvus Pharmaceuticals, Organicell Regenerative Medicine, and others.
If you are confused, you are not the only one.
Mish
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highly edited. @ 1.04 they edited out a cough. the papers he’s signing are also blank
Wonder if they have tried this?
Budesonide for CV19
Similar to the Dexamethasone story (opposite of WHO recommendations: treat for ARDS/ventilators; no steroids). Likely that nebulized budesonide might be superior, but means you’ve progressed to stage 2 of this disease.
Yes. And it works best when administered early, perhaps as soon as the diagnosis is made. It may not be so effective when the viral load increases and the disease locks on.
On CNN. Use of Remdesivir means Trump most likely had abnormal chest xray and impaired breathing….
More promising results come from a large National Institutes of Health (NIH) study that enrolled over 1,000 hospitalized COVID-19 patients across 22 countries. To qualify, patients had to be hospitalized with confirmed COVID-19 and have evidence of lung involvement, such as an abnormal chest X-ray or needing supplemental oxygen.
since the White House and doctors refuse to say when Trump last tested negative we really don’t know
Not necessarily. Impaired breathing and ground glass lung translucency means you’ve progressed to second stage (~9 days). Remdesavir would help little at that stage, would help more earlier on, as is true of any anti-viral. Would, since there is no clinical evidence that remdesavir has any effect (only in vitro and ex vivo), and quite a bit that it does not. Excepting the 20% adverse complications.
An older post explained that it is zinc that defeats the virus, but it can’t get to the virus on its own and piggy backs on HCQ for transport.
Yes. Zn++ ions inhibit RDRP action, but the ions cannot get from the serum across the cell membrane because positive charge. HCQ or another ionophore can get them across.
Zinc & Vit D were used. Apparently enough to turn this bad situation around. Lots of pointless questions about hospital admission and oxygen, but no reporter ask about HCQ, and why it was not used. Doctors say he is fine, unnamed source says he’s not. Guess which one is the conspiracy theory. I say he is out on Monday, self quarantined for another 10 days. Twitter storm, not cytokine storm.
Would be a good story also, valiantly fighting it off.
Completely debunked. FDA has completely backtracked on HCQ. Studies do not back use. Sorry
Au contraire. All evidence points to efficacy. FDA cites the most perverse ill-designed studies (none check serum zinc levels or use supplemental zinc). The Recovery trial was actually poisoning people with HCQ. Other studies retracted because data was fraudulent. No good double blind RCT I’m aware of yet. See c19study.com for gathering evidence.
They did just start an actual study on HCQ. It’s kind of shocking that it took 9 months before that happened, but part of it is that, as a cheap generic, no one will fund a correct study. What do I consider a correct study? Well, if antivirals work, they work when given early, during the replication phase. If you wait until after the replication phase, once the virus already has millions of copies, and has taken over the body, they are going to do minimal good. HCQ didn’t work, and made things worse, if given to hospitalized patients (i.e. past the replication phase). Remdesivir didn’t reduce mortality when given to hospitalized patients. The same is probably true of Ivermectin and Regeneron and favapiravir.
But, what would happen if it was instead given to patients at first diagnosis, before the virus replicated? Note that Regeneron is being tested exactly that way, so it may have a positive outcome. That’s the way they used it on Trump, too. It’s also the way they used Remdesivir on Trump. (Trump is still fairly early in the infection, and if he were a normal person, he wouldn’t be in the hospital yet.) Small studies have shown HCQ, Ivermectin, and favapiravir also are helpful if given early.
I admit. I foolishly thought that the desire to actually help people would cause research studies to be started testing all the various antivirals on patients at the first sign of infection to see which ones worked the best. I underestimated profit as a driving sign on research. Remdesiver can only be administered by IV, so it can’t e administered early, which limits it’s usefulness. Regeneron, which can be administered early, is testing it that way. But, as for the cheap generics? Who is going to fund studies on their early use? In the US, no one.
Vitamin D deficiencies are a known issue. That’s why its given
He asked for a Yuuugh dose!
You didn’t mention zinc. KTLA “News” reported that last night.
AP UPDATE as of 11 minutes ago:
According to a person familiar with Trump’s condition, some of Trump’s vital signs over the past 24 hours were “very concerning.” The person, who was not authorized to speak publicly and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity, said the next 48 hours will be critical in terms of his care.
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bad encryption
YIIIIHAAA …..must ve been your first reaction……full of hatred as you are …
Again–look at his tweet traffic.
A case of sniffles doesn’t stop your thumbs from working….
Mark Meadows is source….Doctors involved in the President’s treatment have sought to paint a rosy view on President Trump’s recovery, telling reporters on Saturday that Trump was doing “very well.”
But a source familiar with the president’s health said that Trump’s vitals over the last 24 hours were “very concerning,” according to a White House pool report, and that the next 48 hours will be critical in terms of his care. “We’re still not on a clear path to a full recovery,” the source said.
HCQ is for early, anti-viral. Ivermectin is looking real good as an anti-viral, better and safer than HCQ. His viral load is probably too high already for anti-virals. Counting from Wednesday when he first started feeling crappy if the case is gonna be a bad one we’ll know by next Friday or so. Everybody I know that had a bad case got bad about day 9 or so.
Trump’s doctors try to downplay his condition, but blow up the timeline of Trump’s illness
Donald Trump was flown to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center on Friday evening. At the time, he was apparently suffering from coughing, fever, lethargy, and some difficulty in breathing. The decision to send him to the hospital at that point appears to have been made not just out of an abundance of caution, but because, as The Washington Post reports, with Trump’s condition worsening, they wanted to move while Trump was “still able to walk to Marine One on his own.” Even at that point, they were concerned about the “political optics.”
On Saturday morning, Trump’s physician Dr. Sean Conley provided an update on his condition. Appearing 40 minutes late for a scheduled report, Conley said that Trump was “doing very well,” before introducing an entire team of specialists on respiratory and pulmonary care, along with infectious disease experts. Conley reported that Trump’s cough and nasal congestion were “resolving and improving.” Additional physicians reported that Trump was receiving “outstanding” and “state of the art” care—all of which is a world away from the crowded emergency rooms and hastily expanded ICUs faced by many COVID-19 patients. Conley indicated that Trump is receiving “the state of the art and beyond.”
One thing that immediately stood out—Conley said that it had been 72 hours since Trump’s diagnosis, which put that diagnosis well over a day earlier than anything revealed to the public. If Conley’s timeline is correct, Trump was already aware he was positive during a rally on Wednesday and a face-to-face fundraiser on Thursday.
Trump was said to no longer be running a fever. Conley refused to say how high Trump’s fever had been. Conley denied earlier statements that Trump had experienced breathing difficulty, saying that he had never had an issue with breathing. Asked about comorbidities, Conley described Trump as “slightly overweight” while insisting that his health was good.
The team confirmed that Trump had received both remdesivir and an experimental antibody treatment. Multiple attempts to get the doctors to respond to whether or not Trump had received oxygen were met with the answer “he’s not on oxygen right now” which is a pretty good indicator that Trump was given oxygen earlier. The longer reporters tried to get a straight answer, the more that Conley squirmed away from providing the information, but it seemed clear that Trump had received oxygen on Friday at the White House. Similarly, questions about Trump’s heart and lungs were met with answers that were more about the tests that Trump had received, than any results on those tests.
Conley refused to provide a date on which Trump last had a negative test, continuing to obscure the point at which he became infected and his status over the last week. The rapid decline of Trump’s condition is a strong indicator that he has actually been sick for several days. Considering that Trump is supposedly tested each day, this also suggests that the results of those tests may have indicated he was positive well before that information was released to the public—and at a point where Trump was still engaged in rallies and fundraising.
Previous reports indicated that Trump has received two treatments: antiviral drug remdesivir from pharmaceutical company Gilead Sciences, and monoclonal antibodies “cocktail” developed by Regeneron Pharmaceuticals.
Remdesivir emerged in May as a treatment which showed “a clear-cut, significant, positive effect in diminishing the time to recovery.” It’s been subject to an FDA Emergency Use Authorization for months, and has become widely used. There have been numerous studies about the use of the antiviral drug, and the best time in the infection for it to be administered. The drug remains expensive—over $3,000 for a single course of treatment—but it does seem to be effective for a significant percentage of COVID-19 patients and has been widely administered.
The monoclonal antibody treatment from Regeneron is something entirely different. It is not the subject of an EUA, and is supposed to be used only as part of restricted studies. At this point, there are only preliminary results from limited human trials. That preliminary data indicated that the treatment could reduce the viral load if administered early, before people develop their own antibody response to the virus. Generally, that means within the first week following exposure.
For Trump to receive this treatment involves invoking “compassionate use,” a decision that’s usually limited to patients in extremis. But since the treatment is best used soon after exposure, it’s unclear how compassionate use applies in this situation. Another unusual factor: Trump appears to have been given an injection an 8 gram infusion of the treatment, but the initial report from Regeneron specifically notes that a dose of 2.4 grams was just as effective. So why Trump was given such a large dose is unclear.
What’s not mentioned in discussion of Trump’s treatment is any sign that he’s been given hydroxychloroquine, much less been injected with either disinfectant or UV light. Trump’s treatment seems to reflect the best available medical advice at this point — including providing him with an experimental treatment that is decidedly not available to more than a handful of patients.
Note a problem with the 72 hour timeline. Assuming that for maximum accuracy, they used a PCR test, if the test was taken Wednesday, he wouldn’t have had results for at least 24 hours. Thus, he may have been tested 72 hours ago, but not have known the result until a day or so later.
If he was at risk, he should minimally have not been allowed to have the fundraiser in NJ. The fact that he skipped the test in Cleveland is a tell.
” So why Trump was given such a large dose is unclear.”
Dosage is usually by weight, so Trump requires more than a more modest person.
Looks like Trump is improving rapidly based on today’s report. No fever anymore. Now for the longer term consequences….
Holy crap!
Doctors just said Trump was diagnosed 72 hours ago, Wednesday. This means Trump knowingly interacted with people knowing he was exposed and contagious. And people weren’t social distancing or wearing masks.
He probably thought it was just flu. Anyway it almost hurts nobody.
He tested positive 72 hours ago. With covid so prevalent, b.s. they thought influenza
He may have been at his most contagious during the debate:
That would explain why he skipped the test in Cleveland. The conspiracy theorist might say he was trying to spread it to Biden.
His behavior of going to the debate, avoiding the testing, while knowing he was infected, is criminal
Trump is evil. He deserves a fate worse than dying from covid19.
As any doctor worth their medical degree will tell you, if you start taking medicines when you are not sick in the hopes of preventing illness, what happens is that when you do get sick, the virus is resistant to whatever you are taking. To me this explains the reason why they are giving stuff to Trump that is experimental. Covid-19 has probably adapted to his immune system because of the stuff he was already taking on and off and the stuff doctors would normally give just doesn’t do anything because he was already taking it.
True of anti-biotics. Viruses do not become resistant. Nature may select for mutated versions. With viruses, you want to use any anti-viral as early as possible, and in many non-Pharma countries they have given hcq to medical workers for prophylaxis.
I sure do hope no one on his medical staff is a Democrat.
You cannot seriously blame Trump for the actions of the American people. Everyone has had more than adequate information since the beginning on this virus and the methods to prevent infection. A great number of people simply refused to follow the recommendations of the medical community. That is why we have so many infections and deaths. Would you prefer Trump declared martial law and imposed draconian governmental controls? In the end, we must all take responsibility for our own actions and stop blaming others. Of course I know blaming others is woke….
Vietnam
97,000,000 people
1096 total cases
35 total deaths
1 month without a case of community transmission
Let those numbers sink in.
And the guy who lead us down this disastrous road has now found that you cannot fudge the virus. It only took for him to get sick, not the couple hundred thousand dead in the US and the millions ill, and the unknown millions that will have their lives permanently changed.
US has 4% of the worlds population, but 20% of the worlds deaths and illnesses.
Elections have consequences.
So many reasons that comparison between the US and Vietnam isn’t very valid…as far as assigning blame to Trump.
And I’m no apologist for Trump, who has behaved reprehensibly..and has gotten COVID terribly wrong.
But the US COVID outbreak was seeded by superspreader events involving corporate travel…and then greatly exacerbated by unlimited travel along our interstate highway corridors..just look at the obvious patterns.
In Vietnam the elderly are not warehoused. The median age is 7 years younger than here. They are a communist country with command control and public health measures can be rigorously enforced.
I don’t like using the death tolls here to prove Trump is incompetent….I don’t think its a strong enough argument……He IS incompetent and there is ample proof of that….., but I expect death tolls would have still been higher than many other countries even if we’d had better leadership.
I think 100k deaths could have been avoided if there was a national mask mandate and using defense declaration act to produce masks. The economy would have been better off. Now we go into flu season with still the same “plan” as we had in the summer and now. Thank god I live in a place where masks are mandated. I feel sorry for anyone who lives in a state where masks aren’t mandated. They are completely FUCKED this fall.
I just went on a 7 mile hill run and nobody was wearing a mask, not even me. WE ARE DOOMED!!!
I went on a 10 mile hike/job climbing 2k feet on Saturday. I don’t wear a mask. Most other people, being the nice sheep that they are, were doing so here in the SF Bay Area.
….and what about Europe? We now have more than 200 K deaths…..Is that Trump’s fault too ????
No evidence for your conclusion regarding the 100k
Mask-wearing does not correlate with mortality rates
Protecting nursing homes (about 80K deaths) and the vulnerable possibly could have avoided many deaths, but only 1. if you allow the virus to spread among the population; 2. you isolate the vulnerable, paying care-takers big bonuses to reside on campus a couple of months and absolute no ingress/egress of third parties.
It’s much too late for containment — that leads to either permanent national isolation or yo-yo lockdowns, and will be unsuccessful in the end.
Pretty extensive page on masks.
Amazing to me how many people are so susceptible to media-induced hysteria.
The article you are referring to says things like:
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Study of surgical face mask use in health care workers (2009, Japan).
Masks did not provide benefit in terms of cold symptoms or getting cold.
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Review of masks against influenza (2012, Europe).
17 eligible studies. One study had improvement with mask plus hand sanitizer. None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask ⁄ respirator use and protection against influenza infection.
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etc etc
I was basing myself on metastudies referred to by the CDC.
No studies proving effectiveness
Also, Vietnam is much more humid, and that matters. Speaking which, as far as things you can do in your office, I will be running a humidifier all winter in my customer service area.
I thought humidity helps the coronavirus? Curious why you put on a humidifier
Covid is most transmissible in very dry air, where the water droplets quickly evaporate, leaving covid airborne. There ideal humidity, from what I read, for limiting the spread, is to keep the humidity between 40 and 60%. During the winter, cold dry air from outside, warmed to room temperature would be about 20%.
link to medicalnewstoday.com,-viral-spread
In addition, to make matters worse, our immune systems become less efficient in dry air.
There is a strong correlation between absolute humidity and respiratory prevalence. Droplets can project better in colder drier air; In humid air they collide with existing droplets. Virus viability is maintained longer in cold (4° C) moderately humid (40-60%) conditions. It has not been established but is generally assumed that droplets are most important transmission vector for covid; lots of evidence suggests that there are other vectors than respiratory.
On the other hand, Vietnam is much poorer with far fewer health resources.
They can’t afford to ignore science, whereas the center of technology in the world retreats to a primitive huddle around “it’ll just go away…” with basic infection control thrown out the window in the service of our dear leader who is talking his book–“open it up!”.
Unlike other countries that I can think of, by mid-April in Vietnam, widespread testing (tests developed in Vietnam), tracing and isolation policies were in effect. Rigorous contract-tracing was the policy throughout.
From January 23 to May 1, over 200,000 people spent time in a quarantine facility.33 Those in government run quarantine centers are provided with three meals a day, sleeping facilities, and basic toiletries; reactions to conditions in the quarantine centers on social media have been generally positive.34 Though not popular, “On-demand” quarantine facilities were also established in selected hotels for those who are willing to pay.
Little effort to discount confounding variables in your analysis. Vietnam has been successful in containment. Will it last? In most jurisdictions the virus is endemic and cannot be contained. Vietnam will have to restrict interchange with the outside world for a very long time.
Only in the US do people think Trump is the most important variable, without specifying what the non-Trump policy would have been. US contains a very high proportion of high risk individuals.
Here’s a quote that didn’t age well. From September 22, coronavirus “affects virtually nobody”.
Trump is actually a nobody, after all.
Trump does not believe in science. He picks doctors that will lie for him. If they will lie about height and weight which are objective, they will lie about anything. He is a con. Why would you expect him to take what he’s been selling to others? He believes whatever he hears on Fox news. So what is Fox news suggesting for him?
Bunker Boy isn’t brave. Now that he has it, he is likely to grasp at any straw. If 2.4 grams works, 8 grams must be better, right?
WAPO—As Trump’s condition deteriorated during the day Friday, the president and his team ultimately made the decision to send him to Walter Reed preemptively — and, from a public relations perspective, when he was still able to walk to Marine One on his own, according to one outside adviser in frequent contact with White House officials. They feared the possibility of a further decline, and what that might mean, both for the president’s health and his political optics.
How’s he doing?
Check the tweet count–4000 tweets/retweets this year already. But only one generic sort of tweet yesterday.
A bored guy with the sniffles could still work the thumbs.
Pence gets it Nancy is in charge
I’m suspicious of the timelines. The virus seems to have progressed too rapidly. Mu gut tells me Trump was infected far earlier. It would help if the white house told us the last time trump tested negative. There’s a history of white houses down playing presidential illnesses. It’s quite possible he’s far sicker than being let on. The doctors should hold a press conference and lay it out
Doctors simply do not treat with experimental therapies for patients experiencing mild symptoms
One thing that has been very clear for a long time is that the sooner you start treatment with antivirals, the better they work. The thing that has upset me more than anything in this whole pandemic is that the American medical system has taken the approach “OK, you have covid. Go home and see if you get really, really sick, and if you do, then we’ll treat you”.
Few, if any studies, have been conducted on drugs that appear to be effective if given early, including HCQ, Ivermectin, Famotadine, favapiravir, and such. Instead the focus has been on what can be given to advanced cases. Now, Trump is getting early care, and early treatment that regular Americans are denied. Yes, Regeneron and Remdesivir are expensive, but some of the others are cheap. Heck, we don’t even know which early interventions work best because they not only aren’t be used, they aren’t even in clinical trials.
They have been following WHO advice on this. The WHO also recommended to treat for ARDS (disastrous folly with ventilators; turns out it’s not the lungs but microthrombosis brought on by an upregulated bradykinin system) and to not use steroids (but people die from the cytokine storm, and Dexamethasone or budesonide have proven effective in calming this). WHO advice is still being enforced by all the social media giants.
Remdesavir has been shown to have no effect (excepting 20% adverse reactions). Proper RCTs for Zinc/HCQ, Ivermectin, etc., will probably have to wait for initiatives from Bangladesh and India or other non-Pharma captured countries). The FDA cherry picks the worst possible studies for pre-existing drugs, studies which have pre-emptively sabotaged any chance of success (poisonous dosages, fraudulent statistics, late application without monitoring serum zinc levels or symptom onset, etc). Akin to applying air bags to car crash victims after arrival in the ER. Deliberate malpractice motivated by conflicts of interest.
Unless Trump dies from COVID, the public really doesn’t know the truth of the medical situation. The follow-up treatment by an ineffective, experiment drug would allow him to claim he was “cured” without the health risks of unknown side effects.
They’re using the shotgun approach, for sure. I wonder who exactly is making the decisions on his treatment.
Nothing like a business pundit who morphs to be a political pundit and now discovers he’s qualified for doctoring punditry.
Nothing like a business pundit morphing into a political pundit who morphs to a doctoring pundit.
covid at the white house contact tracker link to public.tableau.com
Everyone who negative will need testing for 14-21 days, sometimes twice a day. As a doctor said, if she were to design a super spreader event, it would look like what happen at the white house last Saturday when Barrett was being introduced.
A friend of mine told me that tRump should try a disinfectant like Lysol which will wipe out all the virus.
When Trump asked the science guy whether scientists could develop therapies in the future based on disinfectants Trump was not talking about Lysol or bleach and in fact Trump NEVER mentioned either Lysol or bleach.
Media just made up LIES and people believed the LIES.
Did you know that every vaccine you have taken has had disinfectant in it and that when people get a wound the doctor puts disinfectant in the wound before stitching the wound shut?
Maybe Trump’s doctors should consider this: link to calcalistech.com,7340,L-3852110,00.html
link to calcalistech.com
Both links not found. D’oh.
copy paste the .html link, works fine
He said he was taking it prophylactically months ago…..with zithromax. Don’t know if he stayed on it though.
Trump was taking hydroxychloroquine and Zinc as a preventative earlier.
Trump was NOT taking Zithromax.
However later CDC in essence BANNED Hydroxychloroquine based on study published by Lancet.
The Lancet study was later debunked and all the data the scientists doing that study had purchased from a data collection company was FAKE and Lancet withdrew the study but CDC still left their warnings in effect.
CDC has had a scare campaign against Hydroxychloroquine as has media and Democrats.
In reality HCQ lowers death rates over -50% if given immediately after hospitalization:
What? No hydroxychloroquine? No bleach, no UV light? It’s the ultimate irony that the primary spreader of misinformation and downplaying Covid actually catches it. Though even for such a despicable person I can’t wish him ill. Though I’m sorely tempted.
Trump NEVER even said the word bleach in that press conference.
Media just made up a LIE and repeated it enough so that people believed it.
True. He could have been talking about injecting Lysol, Hand Sanitizer, 409, or Isopropyl Alcohol!
most of the rabid, hate filled liberals are nothing but media sheep, being led to their slaughter! Pathetic!!!