Energy Insanity In Michigan by Democrat Activists and Governor Whitmer

Democrats Threaten to Send Winter Shivers Through Michigan

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Winter is coming, and President Biden may soon make Michigan’s hardest season even more painful. The White House is reportedly studying the consequences of shutting down Line 5, an oil and natural-gas liquids pipeline that carries heating and transportation fuels from Wisconsin through Michigan to Sarnia, Ontario. 

Anti-energy activists have conquered the Democratic Party, demanding that traditional energy sources be stamped out. From her first days in office, Gov. Gretchen Whitmer has fought to shut down Line 5, and in November 2020 she revoked the easement allowing the pipeline to operate and ordered its owner to cease all operations by May 2021. The operator ignored the order, arguing that only the federal government has that jurisdiction. Canada has since invoked a 1977 treaty, contending that closing the pipeline without Ottawa’s consent is illegal.

Line 5 provides nearly two-thirds of the supply in the Upper Peninsula and more than half of statewide propane use.

If Line 5 closes, families and businesses will have to get their energy somewhere. The leading option, endorsed by proponents of a shutdown, is to use trucks. Yet that would drive a massive increase in truck traffic—with its own attending emissions—and pipelines are a much safer means of transporting oil and gas. The federal government’s analysis stretching back to 1996 shows that trucks spill more than twice as much as pipelines, and they also do it far more often. 

Every day the ideas and reports get nuttier and nuttier. Michigan’s own research show that closing Line 5 would lead to a nearly 60% jump in prices, depending on location. 

Yet here we are, with another fiscally insane proposal, and one that rates to worse for the environment as well, due to spills. 

Mercy!

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Engineer
Engineer
4 years ago
In reply to “Realist” and to all:
Thank you for the opportunity to respond to your comment.  I am familiar with the Embrage tunnel link that you posted and other Embridge links.  I have personally attended multiple presentations by Embridge and discussed various pipeline issues with them.  I attended the extensive presentation by Michigan Technological University (link in my original comment) to government officials and the public.  I have also had Line 5 discussions with the “Oil &Water Don’t Mix” advocacy group who’s link was provided by “minvest” in this chain.  Here in Northern Michigan this is somewhat but not totally a partisan political issue … There are members of both parties that hold opposing views.  The tunnel proposal, as currently envisioned, would be 150 feet below the lake bed in the Straits and would contain and protect the pipe line.  In my opinion, this would tip the risk analysis to favorable for the Straits of Mackinac.  However, the tunnel would do absolutely nothing to protect the area along the northern coast of Lake Michigan and the Inland Waterway (http://irchamber.com/our-community/inland-waterway-michigan/) which is vital to Northern Michigan and its economy.  The portion of the pipe line under the Straits is about 5 miles long … The portion through the Inland Waterway is about 40 miles long.  Line 5 is only about 8 feet below the bed of the Indian River.  A spill along the Inland Waterway would be as bad and possibly much worse than the Embridge spill into the Kalamazoo River in 2010.  Please use the link that I provided near the end of my original comment to view a series of newscast videos.  Based on what I have mentioned above, I believe that without serious and equal attention to protecting the Inland Waterway the tunnel which only protects the Straits is just not good enough to change my opinion of the risk/benefit being unfavorable.
Engineer
Engineer
4 years ago
From a conservative engineer, halfway between a Republican and a Libertarian, who lives directly in the Line 5 area I agree that a pipeline is much safer than trucks or trains for transporting oil products.  However, even though the risk of a spill is very, very small the consequences of a spill in this area (the greatest fresh water lakes & rivers system in the world) would be disastrous to say the least.  Risk analysis is balancing the benefits of the reward vs. the consequences of the risk.  For most pipelines in the country the analysis is favorable … In my opinion this one is not.
Michigan Technological University did a report:  “INDEPENDENT RISK ANALYSIS for the Straits Pipelines” … Worth reviewing by interested parties.
The pipeline actually carries up to 540,000 barrels per day (bpd) of Canadian light crude oil, light synthetic crude, and natural gas liquids (NGLs), which are refined into propane.
Although technically correct that Line 5 is from Superior, WI to Sarnia, Ontario; Keep in mind that Line 5 is supplied by various pipelines in the Embridge Mainline system from Edmonton, through Hardisty, Kerrobert, Regina, Cromer, and etc. in Canada.  Therefore the oil products transported are mainly from Canada to Canada.
The vast majority of homes in the U.P. heat their homes with natural gas, less than 20% heat with propane.  As for the rest of the Michigan, home heating with propane is a very small percentage compared to natural gas.  A better use of the proposed infrastructure money would be to build natural gas pipelines to heat U.P. homes and install fiber optics internet to these homes within the same project.
Since 1953, Line 5 has leaked 29 times, spilling 4.5 million liters of oil into the environment, according to media reports.  The 2010 Embridge pipeline spill into the Kalamazoo River is considered to be the worst spill ever in the Midwest (about one million gallons of crude).
Mike 2112
Mike 2112
4 years ago
The democrat party has lost its mind and nothing will change until the avg. dem voter realizes that the party needs an overhaul at the primary level to replace the current crop of lunatics.
minvest
minvest
4 years ago
Uh, y’all (including you Mish) should maybe just do at least 30 seconds of research about this before drawing ignorant conclusions.  It isn’t remotely about energy for the U.P. or any other part of Michigan for that matter, or being green etc.  It’s about the very possible potential for a massive and catastrophic spill/leak of Canadian oil into the Great Lakes.  A quick google search will yield a slew of much more intelligent information (one hit for the lazy ones: https://www.oilandwaterdontmix.org/problem).
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  minvest

I know the Upper Peninsula very well both in summer and
winter. It’s a lovely area and if the pipeline is at risk of failing then something
has to be done of course. The pipeline could be closed but that would
exacerbate the problem Canada has with the oil produced in Alberta in the west
and the industry and most of the population in the east with virtually nothing in-between.
Alberta now ships oil between them by pipeline and by rail. Pipelines are by far cheaper and
more ecological and logically Alberta should lay a pipe directly to the eastern
provinces and it could. Unfortunately it would also have to go through
fantastically beautiful wild areas with a watershed feeding into the Great
Lakes. I know that area well too. The same risks as the Michigan pipeline would
be incurred also so nothing would be gained. Additionally since it goes through what
is almost total wilderness, maintenance and repair would be much more difficult
and expensive. It could be done but won’t because of cost and ecological
concerns which leaves the only alternative being to ship the oil south to the
US by pipe, where it is easy to maintain and repair and route it back up to Canada’s
eastern provinces. Stopping the Michigan pipeline would be a problem but not an
unsurmountable one. However Alberta gets screwed again by Biden. Sometimes I wonder if
Biden has it in for the province. Maybe he went there once, hated it and is now
getting his revenge.  

Yooper
Yooper
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
My childhood was from up there and extended family all still live up there. If there’s any chance the pipeline could rupture, shut it down, and fine the company until they go out of existence for gross negligence. All these companies refusing to maintain their infrastructure must stop. For a line 60 yrs old, the companies are just taking bets it will breech when the execs are retired.
Mike 2112
Mike 2112
4 years ago
Reply to  minvest
Then build a new one.
We do it with bridges all the time.
NYC is currently building a new water pipe deep underground ( a 50 yr project, so far) to bring in water from upstate so they can make repairs to the other two existing pipes that are over 100 yrs old.
We dont just stop using bridges and water tunnels and that excuse doesnt make sense for pipelines, either. 
ColoradoAccountant
ColoradoAccountant
4 years ago
I asked a prof at the University of Colorado, who was also in the state legislature for two terms, what she had learned at the General Assembly.  She replied:  “The A students go into science and medicine,  the B students go into business, and the C students go into politics.”
Call_Me
Call_Me
4 years ago
Not being able to or willing to see the ‘big’ picture leads to nonsensical efforts like this.
Of course she will bend whatever way the political winds blow over the next year, so it remains to be seen what the final chapter in this story will be.
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
4 years ago
Thinking people should be asking why they are doing this. Sure, they state the desire to go green, but the reality is that green is expensive and it takes time to implement.  So why inflict pain on the people as we go into winter?  None of this is accidental, it’s highly coordinated.  I think they need to start a revolution because they know the GDP (Global Debt Ponzi) is entering the collapse phase.  If that sounds like a joke, have a look at the exponential chart of US national debt. It is now in the straight up portion of the curve.  These curves ALWAYS predict a rapid peak is coming and then a massive collapse.  Exponential curves are simply not natural.  They are always indicative of a mania, a scam, a Ponzi, or some other completely unsustainable situation.  None of these events plateau or land softly.  So maybe if they poke the people hard enough and then use enough agent provocateurs to whip up action they can claim we are “domestic terrorists” and thus unleash martial law and the use of physical force (men with guns) to rule going forward.
Jmurr
Jmurr
4 years ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
I think you are correct. 
Business Man
Business Man
4 years ago
Most of us who closely follow economics and politics understand the real damage that Progressives and their policies do to our country, our economy and our standard of living and happiness.
But it seems that many “independents” like to hear sweet nothings, and then elect these malcontents into power.  Once the Progressives start enacting their policies, well, people find out real quick that they don’t like them one bit.  It’s unfortunate that they fall for the “moderate” platitude, or the “uniting normalcy” gambit, but they do.
Even if some of the Progressive goals “sound” nice, the actual policy prescriptions are awful.  We all become glorified lab rats for a bunch of idiots who are either maliciously destroying our way of life (because they are malcontents letting their inner control freak fly) or just too stupid to realize the real world implications.  It’s like having children run our lives.  Very naive children.
The good news is that Progressives have done enough in these short 10 months of “rule” (as they like to call it) since the 2020 election to absolutely screw everything up to Kingdom come.
The 2022 election will rectify this situation in short order, and then hopefully it will be quite a few years before Democrats have all three branches again and are able to continue their destructive policies to my business, personal life, family and financial well being.  Honestly, I just want to be left alone, have my money retain its value and not live in fear of emboldened criminals.  It’s not asking much of our crappy government.
Voting for a Democrat is like punching yourself in the face.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Business Man
“Honestly, I just want to be left alone, have my money retain its value
and not live in fear of emboldened criminals.  It’s not asking much of
our crappy government.”
This. So very much this.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
But It is asking much, in a country where, by now, everyone in all positions of influence, wealth and power; are all exactly emboldened criminals. Who specifically live off of not leaving people alone, and not allowing anyone’s money to retain value…..
prumbly
prumbly
4 years ago
Reply to  Business Man
No, voting Democrat is like letting everyone else punch you in the face.
Blurtman
Blurtman
4 years ago
Maybe they should start with Chy-nah.
prumbly
prumbly
4 years ago
Reply to  Blurtman
Because?
TCW
TCW
4 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
China and India are the big polluters so it doesn’t do any good for us to worry about it if they don’t.
thimk
thimk
4 years ago
1.) A Replacement pipeline was authorized by Mich legislation in 2018 . but that was subsequently blocked. Talk about a rock and a hard spot.
2.) maybe Gretchen is virtue signaling . Biden says no plans for shutdown
3.) hell Michigan is heavily forested , they can burn wood . /s
4.) we don’t need no stinkin energy – America runs on Dunkin’.   /s
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
If you drive up oil and gas prices enough, then solar and alternative energy looks way cheaper. I think this is why the Dems somewhat don’t mind high prices. Our politics are so old and predictable. I look forward to the candidates that run on Andrew Yang’s platform in 2024.
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
4 years ago
That notion assumes people can afford the higher priced solution.  Liberals always think that conservatives have this big bag of secret cash that they are hoarding and thus depriving the economy of.  And if only people wouldn’t hoard cash like that so selfishly then everything would be better.  But since they won’t do it on their own, make it uneconomical for them to follow their own path.
I personally would love to own a tesla or some other nice electric car.  But they start at about $35k and then go up quickly.  I don’t pay that much for a vehicle that depreciates to near zero in 8 years.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Oil and Gas prices are rising on their own due to supply/demand. They don’t need any extra help from shutting down pipelines and other nonsense.
If you drive the price high enough what you’ll get are riots when poor people can’t heat their homes or drive their cars. That will happen long before solar and other alternatives get cheap enough (decades away still). The goal is supposed to be transitioning to other energy sources, not going cold turkey.
On the plus side, she’ll be out of office at the next election if this happens and then the next governor can turn the pipeline right back on again.
tbergerson
tbergerson
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
The goal is supposed to be transitioning to other energy sources, not going cold turkey.
Dems will try to do with energy what the Imbecile did with Afghanistan.  In the latter the Imbecile pulled out the troops before he made sure everyone else was out and even then did  it in the stupidest way imaginable.  In the former, the Warmists will destroy our hydrocarbon energy supply, and with it our way of life, before there is anything viable to replace it.
In the latter case the result was 13 dead members of the military and a huge loss of national prestige.  In the former, the result will be millions of dead Americans.    Warmists are murderers.  Some of them realize it and hopefully some of them do not.
caradoc-again
caradoc-again
4 years ago
The Green stuff relies on O&G to help roll it out.
The increaed O&G costs arrive there too.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Yang is for lowering the voting age to 16, allowing noncitizens to vote and a guaranteed universal income income. Not even New York City voters fell for that. Joining  CNN as a political commentator probably sank him as a serious candidate for the future except for a niche group. 
Curious-Cat
Curious-Cat
4 years ago
Expect irrational solutions to be advanced for those problems that have no rational solutions.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Another climate campaigner who can’t do math.
I’ve been following this one because I like the midstream companies that own these pipelines, although I don’t own any Enbridge, who owns this particular one. 
This is pure insanity, and it’s one more example of how politics is creating upward pressure on oil and gas prices…as we step into our brave new world, where math is racist, and people want a net zero world…….that is still filled with people driving cars and mining crypto and generally using more energy  all the time.

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