Fake Heath Certificates Complicate the Already Messy "Vax Pass" Idea

Mish

The proliferation of fake health certificates is exposing a logistical blind spot for the airlines. Confusion doesn't stop there.

Airlines Struggle to Police Fake Certificates 

In Europe, Fake Covid-19 Certificates Hit Airlines, Which Now Have to Police Them

Airlines are battling a scourge of passengers traveling with falsified Covid-19 health certificates.

Deutsche Lufthansa AG has been fined up to 25,000 euros, or about $29,800, by Germany for allowing passengers with false or incorrect documents to board, according to people familiar with the penalties. 

Complications? You Bet!

At London Heathrow Airport, the additional checks by border control have led to lines of more than six hours for arriving passengers. That is with just 541,000 passengers passing through the airport in March, down 91.7% from the comparable period in 2019.

The EU wants airlines to enforce restrictions that it sets up, but that makes the airlines responsible for detecting easily faked documents. 

The six hour wait time with traffic down 91.7% is a perfect of government sponsored madness that happens more in Europe than the US although we are not totally immune to such nonsense either. 

Negative Tests Required in the US

On January 24, I noted new CDC Guidelines Require Proof of Negative Test on inbound international flights to the US.

It's unclear how well the US is enforcing that requirement.

Where Can You Go?

Hooray! You are vaccinated and ready to travel. But where can you go?  

You may be vaccinated but the World Still Isn't Ready For US Travelers

US Vax Pass 

No doubt the "solution" will be government-mandated heath passports in Europe.

What About the US and Canada?

  • Chicago - Yes: Chicago’s public health commissioner, said the “Vax Pass” will be required to attend concerts and other summer events starting in May.
  • Illinois - Up to Local Officials: The Sun Times says Gov. J.B. Pritzker is taking a pass on the “Vax Pass.” Instead of a passport, the governor said residents across the state will be provided with something more akin to a doctor’s note — and only if they ask for it.
  • Missouri - Will Bar: The Missourian reports Missouri Senate renews push to bar vaccine passports and limit local health orders.
  • US - Yes: On March 28, the Washington Post reported "Vaccine Passports are on the Way. The Biden administration and private companies are working to develop a standard way of handling credentials " 
  • US - No: On April 6, the BBC reported US Rules Out Federal Vaccine Passports.
  • Canada - Yes: Forbes reports Canada Will Require Using A Vaccine Passport For Entry.

40 States Will Ban Covid-19 Passports

Who's in charge? That's the key question as 40 States Creating Legislation to Ban Vaccine Passport Requirements.

At state Capitols across the country, lawmakers are advancing legislation to ban COVID-19 vaccine passport requirements for businesses and schools. 

The vaccination passports currently exist in one state — a limited government partnership in New York with a private company — but that hasn’t stopped GOP lawmakers in a handful of states, including Pennsylvania, from rushing out legislative proposals to ban their use.

“Government should not require any Texan to have proof of vaccination,” said Texas Republican Gov. Greg Abbott.

While New York rolled out the “Excelsior Pass,” a digital vaccine passport, lawmakers in Indiana worked on a bill that includes a vaccine passport ban. It passed by a wide margin, just as many Hoosier state health departments saw an uptick in no-shows for COVID-19 shots.

Confusing Mess

It's not at all clear what the procedure will be for international flights into the US. And if you wish to travel to Europe, expect long lines on top of needing a Vax Pass.

The EU and US are messes of a different kind. The result is a hodgepodge of conflicting and confusing regulations depending on where you are at and where you are headed.

Mish

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Esclaro
Esclaro

I love it when Republican hypocrites tell private businesses what they can or cannot do. They will do anything to satisfy their ignorant anti vaxxer base. Forget that 73% of Americans think vaccine passports are a good idea.

PecuniaNonOlet
PecuniaNonOlet

Travel is a small part of it. Many big US firms WILL REQUIRE vaccination in order for you to work there. Glad I wont have to deal with Trumpers at the office when they all get fired for failing to vaccinate.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/29/. most-us-companies-will-require-proof-of-covid-vaccination-from-employees-survey.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/29/
BornInZion
BornInZion

Surely any "vax pass" will run afoul of HIPAA privacy laws.

Calibob
Calibob

So encouraging to see the readiness of people to create an all-new segregation between the enlightened and brave vaccinated and the boorish and ignorant un-vaxxed. Let’s simply disregard individual choices of what people want to put in their bodies, and begin ostracizing and fire from gainful employment those that don’t conform.
It’s a glorious dream.
Right out of the pages of Fahrenheit 451.
And if there is evidence that trying to vaccinate out of a pandemic still in the process of mutating and changing, let’s just censor all information that might say this is dangerous.

Jojo
Jojo

Oops!

Federal law prohibits employers and others from requiring vaccination with a Covid-19 vaccine distributed under an EUA
By Aaron Siri
Feb. 23, 2021

Jojo
Jojo

There’s a Lot That Can Go Wrong With ‘Vaccine Passports’
Any proposal for vaccine credentials must be primarily paper-based, decentralized, and protect privacy.
March 31, 2021

FromBrussels
FromBrussels

It's simple, people like me not wanting to be guinea pigs in the overhyped, jolly, global Freedom Experiment should wear a Yellow Star ....and a number tattooed on their arm...will be a chip these days. You could of course also chip(or tattoo) the vaxed ones, but that gonna be quite expensive with 70% and ticking already brainwashed by the hourly ads on TV, radio, newspapers etc....'Folks, the vaccine will set us free' Just have it' !

Doug78
Doug78

Unless it can be verified to the level of a real passport it is useless because it will be easy to falsify so why bother?

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

This is really easy to do as athletes in tennis already had to have a biological passport for global Antidoping regulations. It would be fairly straightforward to leverage this for other purposes. This doesn't speak to the legality of it but the framework is already in place.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

By the way this travel ban from india is a joke. Variants have now entered the US directly from India and multiple people who have returned from india and were healthy here are now in hospitals or have died in the US. The variants appear to affect unvaccinated healthy people in their 20s and 30s.

Dutoit
Dutoit

In Japan, south Corea, Singapore, Taiwan, Vietnam, people coming from outside must be tested and endure a strict quarantine before they can move. Of course this is possible only in countries that have real borders.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T

Don't impinge on our freedumb.

RonJ
RonJ

L.A. County is allegedly on track to reach the yellow tier on Wednesday. More indoor capacity to be allowed. Disneyland is open this weekend, finally, for California residents only. Additionally, there is a general public promotion campaign to induce Californians to spend their tourist dollars in California, in order to boost the state's economy.

Anda
Anda

I'm having a little bit of difficulty figuring out the logic to vaccine passports.

People vaccinated are still able to carry the virus/new strains across sanitary borders ?

Any public space/gathering requiring passports is to ensure that those not vaccinated are not infected by those vaccinated ... or to ensure they don't infect each other there but not elsewhere ?

So it just adds up to reducing non vaccinated infecting each other (or from vaccinated) via an attempt at herd immunity of sorts by vaccination , in practical terms with open borders for the virus , with those not vaccinated and so not carrying a passport getting isolated ?

I guess it's all for their own good ?

Strange world.

Carl_R
Carl_R

It's time to call an end to this. Everyone who wants a vaccine can now get one. Thus, those not vaccinated are not vaccinated by choice. So, the government needs to stop paying for testing and stop paying for medical bills of those with Covid. They need to stop the Vac Pass nonsense, too. If people choose to not get vaccinated, there is no reason to protect them, and no reason to pay for their medical bills. They are adults, and they can deal with the consequences of their own decisions.

Phaedrus_of_Bangkok
Phaedrus_of_Bangkok

I think Covid will go down in human history as one of the more silly 'mass hysteria' responses ever undertaken by the human race.

If vaccinated people can still pass on the virus and indeed get infected albeit in a milder form - then vaccination passports are meaningless.

If vaccines don't work at all - then vaccine passports are meaningless.

Watch this video. One of the very rare smart people left in the world.

frozeninthenorth
frozeninthenorth

The vast majority of Americans do not even own a passport so for them the idea of having a health passport is obviously a political issue and not an economic one. Frankly, I don't care what the government of Missouri wants, I only care if I want to travel to Europe or Asia. They can impose their rules and not care what the GOP in Missouri wants.

Having recieved my vaccine a few months ago now, in the US, where its easily available, the idea is to be to be able to travel again. I have a health passport for yellow fever for when I travel to Africa. The vaccination car used in the US is an obvious way of abusing the system, because its so very easy to reproduce.

The issue is not what the various US state government want, its what the country receiving you requires.

More serious are the various pre-schools in the US that impose proof that you have not received the vaccine. That is just idiotic.

As usual, America will require those entering to have a vaccination passport that they recognize, but again its relatively small numbers. Companies I guess will relocate from states that prohibit vaccination or proof of vaccination. Health care providers will find a way to uninsured those who refuse to be vaccinated.

The power of ignorance at times is amazing. My guess is that those against vaccination are also the ones not vaccinated for Hepatitis or for smallpox.

Tex272
Tex272

I bought mine at a corner convenience store just after I crossed the Rio Grande River into Texas, along with DL and SS cards.

Jojo
Jojo

Whoa! BIG BAD NEWS for all those who submitted to the vaccines. It's not the virus that is the problem but the spike protein itself, which damages the vascular system. Read & weep:

Salk researchers and collaborators show how the protein damages cells, confirming COVID-19 as a primarily vascular disease
April 30, 2021

FromBrussels
FromBrussels

The vaccines DO have literally FAR reaching effectiveness, that much must be 'scientifically' obvious by now; almost fully vaccinated Israel is doing great, South Africa with merely 300K vaxxed ones on a 60 mln population is showing drastic improvement too.... Like I said, FAR reaching, great, effective vaccines !

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Phaedrus_of_Bangkok
Phaedrus_of_Bangkok

Correlation vs. causation.
Be careful not to get caught in that trap. South Africa cannot claim that vaccination has done anything as the numbers are far too low .... however Ivermectin is now available there in quantity and in very wide use. I speak often to colleagues in SA and vaccination has barely even started.

astroboy
astroboy

Congress has the power, per the Constitution, to regulate commerce between the states. I'd venture to say that travel between states falls under that category. Requiring a quarantine period, as has been done of course, might skate. But requiring a de facto passport to travel from one state to another? Sketchy.

I'm not commenting on the vaccine, just on the legalities.


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