FTX US Declares Bankruptcy Too, What About the FTX Arena?
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1 year ago
Notice the Forbes cover correlation? Elizabeth Holmes was on another one
1 year ago
This was fraud mixed with digital snake oil, amplified by a Tulip mania, and built on yet another epic Ponzi scheme.
1 year ago
So did Microstrategy get a margin call?
the FTX crash was large slice of humble pie to ALL crypto players.
This is the third time laser eyes share prices have been swatted back by the falling 200 day moving average. Not Good
1 year ago
This would be among my questions. I’m interested in the crypto trading mechanics. One reason is that I’d like to have more insight into MSTR’s exposure, given that I have 100 $480 Dec 23 puts on it. Another, broader reason that applies to all crypto, is I’d like to have more insight into whether all crypto is linked, and whether there will be any systemic risk as it collapses.
1 year ago
The more I look, the more this looks like a classic bank run, but with no FDIC or Federal Reserve as a backstop. Interesting to see a scramble of these exchanges to prove their reserves. Yep, looks like fractional banking, which started long before the Fed and which was the basic mechanism behind bank failures. “Cold storage,” WTF is that? In any case, one biggie I’m thinking about is when to get out of MSTR.
I’m not playing bitcoin directly because I have never trusted any exchanges. I don’t even know if you can buy puts on bitcoin. If they existed and were traded on these crypto exchanges, forget it. Counterparty risk would be way too big. So my puts are on MSTR as a proxy for bitcoin. At some point kinda sorta soon, I might need to dive into the deep end of the pool and see how leveraged MSTR is to bitcoin, i.e. what happens to MSTR at various bitcoin prices. My guess (watch me be wrong) is that bitcoin need not go to $0 for MSTR to go to $0, but I wonder how that relationship works.
I don’t do a lot of shorting, so this is sorta new.
1 year ago
Seems like it’s easy to turn cash into crypto, but not so easy to turn crypto into cash. Does anyone have an article written for intelligent laymen who are interested in the mechanics of crypto trading? Preferably, it would examine bitcoin too — all with a particular focus on how a holder of crypto can turn that “asset” into dollars. It’s a simple question. How about a simple answer?
1 year ago
An “intelligent laymen” won’t buy crypto.
IMO, it’s “intelligent” if you buy in at the ground floor, as with an Amway salesman.
Any explanations I sought over the 12 or so years since bitcoin inception have always sounded like gibberish intended to sell me something.
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1 year ago
Did I ask for your opinion about whether or not I should buy crypto? Oddly enough, I did not. I am looking for insight into whether the FTX collapse has direct implications for bitcoin. Do you know anything? If not, could I suggest moving along? Thanks.
1 year ago
“Does anyone have an article written for intelligent laymen who are interested in the mechanics of crypto trading?”
That was your question, I gave you an answer, your response was a bit arrogant.
Seems like the intelligent thing for you to do is to start trading bitcoin.
1 year ago
No, I’m short (via puts) on MSTR because of its exposure to bitcoin, which I didn’t need you to tell me is a fraud. I am now interested in the anatomy of how crypo will collapse. I don’t care about anything else: just the mechanics of collapse. Looks like the vector might end up being crypo exchanges. That’s why I asked, and what I’ve gotten is regurgitated obviousness. It’d be great if anyone here had actual knowledge about the inner workings; not “mining” but the process by which crypo is “stored,” traded, and converted to cash.
My response wasn’t arrogant, however it looked. I was frustrated that you were too lazy to think about my question, and instead gave a knee-jerk answer that doesn’t matter one bit.
1 year ago
“My response wasn’t arrogant, however it looked. I was frustrated that you were too lazy to think about my question, and instead gave a knee-jerk answer that doesn’t matter one bit.”
See what you did there?
1 year ago
If it were a simple question you wouldn’t be reading about the crypto businesses going under like this. The right answer is that you are too simple for that market.
1 year ago
Update on the update,
“More than $600 million was siphoned from FTX’s crypto wallets late Friday. Soon after, FTX stated in its official Telegram channel that it had been compromised, instructing users not to install any new upgrades and to delete all FTX apps.
“FTX has been hacked. FTX apps are malware. Delete them. Chat is open. Don’t go on FTX site as it might download Trojans,” wrote an account administrator in the FTX Support Telegram chat. The message was pinned by FTX General Counsel Ryne Miller.”
1 year ago
And it gets better, time for an update;
“And then Friday night Reuters reported that “At least $1 billion of customer funds have vanished from collapsed crypto exchange FTX, according to two people familiar with the matter.”
“More than $380 million in crypto left bankrupt crypto company FTX’s wallets late Friday, with little clear explanation as to why.”
Fortunately Bernie Madoff’s old cell is available.
1 year ago
Excuse my ignorance, but how are tokens sitting in a ledger supposed to make money if not invested in something?
SBF could have a valid defence, or just say when these venerable institutions gave me money it couldn’t possibly be a Ponzi scheme.
1 year ago
Mish, instead of or in addition to the musical tribute you definitely should have linked this hilarious South Park clip that gets referenced all the time.
It’s exactly what happened to people who put their money into the FTX exchange.
link to youtube.com
1 year ago
Maybe he should karaoke Stairway to Heaven? (Remembering Johnny B Good a few years back)
1 year ago
Interesting stat (Wikipedia)
24,000 incarcerated people in the U.S. eat kosher meals.
1 year ago
It will be 24,001 shortly.
1 year ago
Re-name it “Enron Arena” or “WorldCom Arena”.
1 year ago
I have maybe 0.1% of my assets in crypto, just to try it out. I bought just after the Covid pandemic started so I am about break even now. About six months ago I bought a hardware wallet and transferred all of my crypto (BTC and ETH) on to the Ledger hardware wallet because I was concerned about Coinbase. Looks like a wise move. However it costs funds to move from a custodial account to a hardware wallet. I haven’t found a use case for crypto yet.
1 year ago
Today, it’s the cryptonite.
Next up, Twitter implosion.
Should be a fun month!
1 year ago
Yeah I just read yesterday that Musk did an all-hands meeting yesterday and said he was not sure how much run rate the company has and that “bankruptcy was out of the question”. Also the CISO, The Chief Privacy Officer, The Chief Compliance Officer all resigned on 11/9 and possibly the Senior Director of Safety & Integrity Yoel Roth. That ship is sinking faster than anyone thought.
1 year ago
Are all these messages meant to be taken literally?
Or is it more like link to youtube.com ?
1 year ago
Is ‘Bankman-Fried’ like a real name, or should it be construed as a slogan or a [warning] label ?
1 year ago
It’s the anagram for bankrupt-fraud.
1 year ago
I don’t know anything about this. It just confirms that buying physical silver, gold, property, and stocks were the right decision for me.
Sure physical gold and silver can be outlawed and or taxed, property laws can change that allow people to never pay rent, stocks can and will continue to be manipulated, but so far it’s worked in my favor.
1 year ago
You would be more popular in the Twitter universe if you would stop asking difficult questions and just go with the flow.
1 year ago
Investors Who Put $2 Billion Into FTX Face Scrutiny, Too
Venture capital firms and investment funds showered the failed crypto exchange and its founder with money. There were few strings attached.
Nov. 11, 2022, 2:39 p.m. ET
link to nytimes.com
1 year ago
Anyone who holds crypto anything now who doesn’t sell while they still can is an idiot.
SBF reminds me of friends in college who used to go to bars and tell girls absurd lies about themselves. How they’re going to be rich and famous. The girls believed it. And I think the liars did too.
1 year ago
Thanks for the video!
1 year ago
Cryptosporidium
1 year ago
I’m just thankful for the end of crypto commercials.
Will Hunting, what were you thinking? I thought you were Good.
1 year ago
At the very least, we should discuss NFT fundamentals before encouraging panic selling.
Uh, wait, there are no fundamentals, or…”100% Liquid and 100% Bankrupt” – So, it’s the Schrodinger’s cat of investing!
I find myself wondering what the highly lucrative Russian hacking industry’s going to do without bitcoin payments?
The whole industry needs an innovative shakeup, maybe design a new, improved coin, like pink polka dotted cookie coins, something like that will surely create value.
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1 year ago
Cookie coins have all sorts of possibilities. Better still would be (insert drum roll) **** Cannabis Coin **** backed by…. yes, you guessed it! A crypto coin with really HIGH value.
1 year ago
will the lying liar CEO get prosecuted for fraud? Will he end up in jail? Maybe. ‘course, that doesn’t help the FTX clients who lost boatloads of money. What a sh*tshow indeed.
1 year ago
I don’t think he’ll end up in jail. He was a good donor to the Democrat party (and they sure are not going to giving the money back to those that lost). That’s insurance he will need. Also, He’s very sorry!!
1 year ago
Second largest contributor to the Democratic Party behind Soros, so no. Thanks for asking though!