Fully Open Up Society Now? Really?

Fair point, but you ignored the thrust of what I was pointing out about the two doctors in that I think it was Mish (or someone) who had said that their data was a little meaningless because they were only testing sick people given they run acute care clinics. I was pointing out that although their early tests were for people presenting symptoms, their later tests were not, i.e. they were not clinic-only patients but many walk-ins only there to get tested.

So you made a good point, but it wasn’t really about what I was – however clumsily – trying to point out.

Yeah, really scary. “He said the county saw a 38% increase in deaths over last week, but four fewer people died than two weeks ago.”

You either see it or you don’t. Some are convinced this is a major world pandemic; others see this as a bad virus being exploited for nefarious political ends. Both sides can come up with facts and figures to justify their positions.

That’s how it always is with facts and figures.
Which means they aren’t nearly as substantive as far too many of us have been led to believe.
For belief is all it is, ultimately.
Which is what Locke (or what it Hume) warned when the ‘scientific method’ was being developed a few centuries ago (by a salesman, as it happened). I can’t find the quote, but basically he maintained (correctly) that determining something as ‘fact’ is ultimately a matter of subjective opinion.

So from my pov, the fact is that this thing wasn’t nearly as bad as early dire warnings indicated it might have been, and now it’s time to readjust based on a more complete understanding and move forward into opening things back up, reacting intelligently to things like breakouts in old peoples’ homes or whatever, without panicking everyone into believing that every county in every state needs to hunker down in response to local flare-ups. Moreover, the sooner the population gets to herd immunity the better, and the shut-down only delays that, arguably doing more harm than good.

But that’s just my opinion. And of course it could be disastrously wrong.
As could yours.

As always, a good reply.

I disagree generally in the young vs old issue above. Of course there might possibly be something that mainly goes after the young but doesn’t affect the old, but my point was that generally speaking, anything virulent enough to be mowing down young people is probably ten times worse for the older and weaker, that’s all. As to whether or not there’s a prejudice against the young or old or whatever, I have no opinion on that, having never noticed or considered such a thing.

As to HCQ+: I go for the simplest explanations along with a general mistrust of mainstream media or whatever the official narratives are. So my simplest explanation is that ‘they’ don’t want the covid19 cured too quickly (or at all except by vaccine as part of general societal restructuring) and so they have suppressed its use by badmouthing it and also putting up roadblocks – making it hard to use outside of hospitals for example, whereas its greatest benefit is that it’s a highly effective – not to mention used to be cheap – prophylactic. I suspect that along with not wanting to cure the virus (it’s political gold for some), they also don’t want too many people figuring out that they’ll never need a flu shot again since it works like a charm with nearly all viruses, which is why it has proven so effective in malaria-ridden countries where it’s been used for 50+ years. Many other Big Pharma profit generators will be made redundant if too many people twig to just how effective a drug it is for most sorts of viral infection.

Fauxi pushes Remdesivir which was just a few percentage points better than the placebo, like around 40%; and badmouths HCQ with a 90%+ rate, and if you take away the US vets they used it on (all of whom were already terminal before being given it), the results would be closer to 98% or something. In other words, it works. It prevents infection in the first place if you take it prophylactically, and it cures you if you are infected, and used in conjunction with the right antibiotic, it will even get rid of the cytokine (?) storm which has combined with bacterial infections in the lung and, if uncured, results in death or permanent lung damage. No need for all those ventilators, in other words, and they knew it all along.

There is NO threat to the population from coronavirus, despite all of Mish’s impressive number-crunching (which ignores that CDC numbers are close to half many other global counting sites, and probably CDC is twice the actual amount given the way hospitals get $13,000 compensation for a Covid death but only $3,400 for a pneumonia death, and with a ventilator it’s over $40G’s and have been encouraged to make Covid19 the cause of death with or without confirming tests).

So they don’t want people to realise that it’s no real threat. I cannot see any other simple explanation that fits most of the fact patterns, including those featuring Governors stepping in to make its use more or less illegal even though it has clearly shown such success. There’s only so many times ‘incompetence’ fits the bill. A few times, okay, but as a general rule? I don’t buy it.

As far as I’m concerned, cv19 is a political & warfare tool, not a medical crisis. For us ordinary folk, it’s going to end up being a test determining how far gone we are politically & socially. Can we handle this properly by going back to normal soon (less & less likely, seemingly), i.e. will sanity prevail and this entire bogus fiasco be put to bed already? Or is this going to continue and worsen until some sort of feel-good totalitarian nightmare is finally made manifest? Time will tell, but many key elements will play out in real-time in the next few months.

A more exciting time for the Reality TV Republic of the United States of America series has rarely been seen. Ratings are through the roof – especially since nearly everyone worldwide is under house arrest with nothing better to do than keep tuning into the next daily instalments, coming thick and fast hour after hour instead of the old diet of thirty minutes a week on a Sunday. How times have changed…

(from the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons to Arizona Governor who has forbidden HCQ use pending peer-reviewed evidence that it works. So they have given him some.)

I stand by what I wrote: given that HCQ+ has a 90%+ success rate, there is no threat to the overall population justifying the draconian response we have seen thus far. Far more people die all the time from pneumonia, smoking, car crashes and all the rest of it IF IF IF the govt had gone ahead and used the 10,000,000+ donated HCQ doses, or the 30 million ordered from Bayer shortly thereafter. Instead, we have been playing politics with peoples’ lives.

So don’t blame me. Blame the Administrative State, the media, Trump (for being so weak and ineffective in this regard). Or you can take issue with the peer-reviewed results about the HCQ protocols. If you believe they are false, fine. But if they are no false, then a HUGE fraud has been and still is being perpetrated.

Uncomfortable truth. But many have been saying that they want to follow the facts and the data. The facts and the data show clearly that coronavirus is not a threat – unless we refuse to follow facts and the data. Which thus far the Corona Virus Task Force and the US President and most Governors and Doctors have refused to do.

But don’t worry overmuch: because well over 90% of the CV deaths were from people with terminal conditions anyway. As you will doubtless find out from the family members of those who have passed away recently.

If you read one system they devised, an app constantly monitors bluetooth, and anyone within range creates a transaction of IDs registered on the app. Both IDs are an anonymous random code. If a person is found to have the virus, they allow their anonymous code to be pasted online, and the app of the other user cross checks codes posted to see if it has interacted (been close) , and then tells that user they have been in contact. Information of time and date might or might not be permitted. As is known, application install data can be linked to a device and owner by its supplier, in theory that would not be allowed, and the app would be completely stand alone.

So there you have an anonymous system, more or less.

The alternative is that the contact data is uploaded to a centralised account, and that then contacts the user via their application. That means all contacts are registered centrally, so in theory that allows an authority to view all of them, and if they have access to any identifier ( for example via app install, or even setting a false bluetooth receptor that registers every person going by along with phones active or a photo etc.) then they are able to monitor a persons social interactions in detail. It also means that if they want to inform a person of contact, that person will have to take their word for it, because they can falsify a contact. If the person wanted proof, then you are right back at providing the true identity of the infected person crossed, so that you can personally potentially verify if true.

So that is the basic difference between central registry or private.

In reality any if these systems will not work well when there are many infected, because you imagine how many people will cross an infected person in the time till symptoms show, you imagine that outside of bluetooth or any other way, that just one infected person walks along a subway or into a shop where a thousand others go in the next few hours, you just cannot track everyone this way, too many matches. It will help as an aid in low number of infected scenario, at best.

If the idiots are in charge…then idiots voted them in. If not now in the day and age of controlled voting systems (Dominion voting systems – see the dozen or so documentaries)….then certainly in the times leading up to this time.

Roosevelt could have put an end to it…or slowed it down if he simply would have hanged Prescott Bush back in the day (Wallstreet business plot, Union bank/Nazi’s, etc etc etc). Certainly would have changed JFK’s outcome as well as the last 50+ years of politics…

Or taking a stand to the Jekyll Island group in 1913….or or or or….