GDPNow Creator Pat Higgins On the October Surge in the GDP Forecast

GDPNow data from the Atlanta Fed, chart by Mish

The lead chart is from my October 14 post GDPNow Forecast Unfazed by Weak Retail Sales and Strong Inflation

Weak retail sales did not cause a dip in the forecast. I asked Pat Higgins if he could shed any more light on that early October surge. Here’s his reply:

Hi Mish,

I don’t think I can speak too much regarding how the model reacted after any particular data release, but in rows 33 and 34 of the tab TrackingHistory, you’ll see “Final Sales to Domestic Purchasers” and “Final Sales to Private Domestic Purchasers”. The former is final sales excluding imports and exports and the latter is final sales excluding imports, exports, and government consumption/investment expenditures. You can see the increase in the forecasted growth rate of real “Final Sales to Domestic Purchasers” and “Final Sales to Private Domestic Purchasers” in late September to early October is smaller than the increase in real final sales so, as a matter of arithmetic, a fair amount of the increase in the model nowcast of final sales in late September and early October was concentrated in net exports. In terms of the mechanics of how GDPNow forecasts imports and exports growth, the primary data source for services exports/imports is the international trade report released jointly early in the month by the Census Bureau and the BEA. For imports and exports of goods, the model also uses data from the Census Bureau’s “Advance Economic Indicators” released late in the month: https://www.census.gov/econ/indicators/index.html . That release gives an early snapshot of goods trade before the full report is released. The model treats the imports/exports data on foreign goods trade from the Advance Economic Indicators release as hard data [i.e. the same way it would tread the monthly data from the full trade report] and incorporates the revised goods data when the full international report is release roughly 7-10 days later. The model does break down imports and exports into goods and services separately so that the change in their forecasts can be traced after each release.

Best regards,

Pat 

Essentially, weak retail sales did not matter because the model expected them or perhaps they no longer mattered. 

Q: Why is that?

A: This goes back to September 30 when I noted GDPNow for the 3rd Quarter Surges Following Strong Trade, Inventory, and Income Reports

I even posted the answer 

Spotlight on Current Real Final Sales (RFS) Estimate – September 30

  • Base GDP Estimate: 2.4 Percent 
  • RFS Total: 2.4 Percent 
  • RFS Domestic: +0.2 Percent (Report Details)
  • RFS Private Domestic: -0.2 Percent (Report Details)

A relative surge in exports vs imports drove the September 30 surge and it stuck despite a very poor construction spending report and poor retail sales.

Honing in on the latter, if retail sales are weak because consumers are not buying imports, then the model likely expected poor retail sales. 

Spotlight on Current Real Final Sales (RFS) Estimate – October 14

  • Base GDP Estimate: 2.8 Percent (Lead Chart)
  • RFS Total: 2.9 Percent (Lead Chart)
  • RFS Domestic: +0.6 Percent (Report Details)
  • RFS Private Domestic: +0.2 Percent (Report Details)

Real Final Sales to private domestic consumers is a barely positive 0.2 percent. 

Government spending tacks on another 0.4 percentage points.

All the rest is net exports. 

That does not mean the model is correct. But the explanation is reasonable. 

Blue Chip Forecast

Evolution chart from GDPNow, arrow annotations by Mish

The Blue Chip forecasters have not honed in on that export surge. But we still will have skirted recession even if the much lower Blue Chip assessment is correct.

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Esclaro
Esclaro
1 year ago
So US exports are keeping us out of recession? I find this hard to believe. The USD is at a 20 year high. No one can afford to buy anything the US exports except for energy. So maybe that’s the magic – US energy exports.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
GDP is gobbledygook. set up to scam the middlebrows…………
oee
oee
1 year ago
You claimed that Robots would be taking over_ NOT; You claim the jobs created under Biden are fake-The treasury is receiving money per the withholding data; not fake; you claimed that there would be 3 quarters of contraction -not.
JRM
JRM
1 year ago
Reply to  oee
Robots are taking over, get your head out of the dirt!!!
When 90% of the jobs are shut down, cause of COVID, you can’t take credit, claiming “THESE ARE NEW JOBS”!!!! Get your head out of the MSM butt!!!
As far as I know we have not seen the release of the 3rd quarters number yet, watch major revisions downward after NOV!!!!
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  oee
the robots took over, and i’m down on their plantation right now, picking indigo. i’m a robot slave………..
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  oee
A lot of jobs have been replaced by robots in ways you don’t even realize. Been to a checkout counter lately? Banked online? Purchased through Amazon? etc. Add in artificial intelligence, Siri, Alexa…. are they not forms of robots? ‘Alexa, turn on the TV.’
Professions scheduled for replacement: 1) teaching 2) medical services 3) food services 4) farming 5) mining 6) construction….
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
1 year ago
I certainly understand that retail sales are important, but I simply don’t understand the undue fixation on this area. That’s not to say you don’t report, Mish, on other important areas like industrial output, personal income, manufacturing / trade & employment.
Everyone knows that the best indicators of a looming recession are residential construction & employment. At this point, neither one of these figures appear to be close to a breaking point. The most recent report says 7.9% more homes in recent weeks experienced price cuts. How is this news? Move the decimal to the left one place and then it becomes news. I just read that those low teaser rate for 2 years or so which then become adjustable are starting to make a comeback. Gotta love 7% 30YFRM, baby! Yet, EVERYONE keeps on saying, “this time is different. Today’s lending standards are just so much better.” Bull crap! The average auto sales price is above $45K and the average payment is about $700 a month.
And likewise, employment still keeps chugging along. And the gurus are all over the place when a recession will hit. Jamie Damon has moved now to 6-9 months. In 6 months, what will his excuse be? There’s simply no telling when or even if a recession is going to hit. Nada!
There’s still ~$2.3T in reverse repo money market funds still being parked over night with the Fed to the tune of $100B a year in free money to the banks & hedge funds. That’s a lot of bank profits, people!
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
“Everyone knows that the best indicators of a looming recession are residential construction & employment.”
Making the current market so strange, the fact that the Fed’s targeting these two.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
I read an article last week were a CEO was on record saying that ALL CEOs love inflation. It gives them an excuse to raise prices more than is needed to cover rising cost, boosting profits. Makes total sense. Corporate profits are still very robust, meaning there are not wholesale layoffs anywhere to be found.
We’ve for a long way to go before we see a real economic downturn. This is playing out in residential housing. New home prices are, in general, only slowly dropping. Existing home prices, as of last month, are STILL rising.
Thus far, the Fed is doing a crappy job “targeting” these two metrics of recessions. Granted, there were at least 6-9 months late in raising rates & starting QT. But hey, that’s what you get when the MSM & Big Tech control government group think making out like the COVID pandemic was much worse than it actually was slowing the Fed’s reaction time.
The FFR should have never been cut to zero and left there for two years.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
Mentally (or on paper) draw yourself a graph of how a business cycle operates. At the top and bottom, the rate of change is lowest (right before the inflection point). We are already ‘inflected,’ IMHO. Declines are slight and erratic (often seeming to be reversals), and occur at the margin–the weak links fail first. Declines will get stronger on the downside.
The Fed will resist until it gets to a BofE situation. The Fed is already bailing out Credit Suisse (under the table), because if CS bombs, others will follow.
Think about what you wrote; ‘I just read that those low teaser rate for 2 years or so which then become adjustable are starting to make a comeback.’
It pays to be patient.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
It’s refreshing to see a market pundit remain pragmatic while not having to cherry-pick data for doom scroll porn addicts.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reminds me of something.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
So so true!
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago

Strong industrial production comes not from a strong economy
but companies rushing to reshore pouring money into land, plant and equipment
all of which stimulate industrial production.

Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
“October Surge in the GDP Forecast”
POTUS on multiple occasions this year touted his Administration’s fiscal prudence by declaring deficit for FY2022 would be under $1 trillion. Thru first 11 months of fy on track at $946 billion deficit. Just needed to play a little 3 card monte and delay a few payments here there (should have been doable as September a month when quarterly tax estimates paid).
Instead:
“The federal government incurred a deficit of $431 billion in September 2022, CBO estimates—$366 billion more than the deficit recorded last September.”
I’m sure that Advance Estimate for Q3 GDP out end of October … mere days before mid term election played no roll, whatsoever … when imperative Ds have a good grade on economy …
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Short term stats are always all over the place, and are best ignored. Though they do help contribute to market volatility, which I like to take advantage of.
I much prefer looking at the long term trends. My long term focus these days is on oil inventories, which have been steadily falling for two years, in spite of the weekly ups and downs.
These inventories reflect the demand vs supply balance. Supply has been growing for the last two years, but demand has been growing even faster; hence the inventory declines.
If the GDP numbers actually start to indicate a slowing economy, it will be interesting to watch the impact on oil demand, because except for 2009 and 2020, oil demand continues to go up during most recessions.
Meanwhile, oil supply is about to drop, as SPR releases end in November and OPEC begins supply cuts in November. And Euro sanctions on Russian oil begin in December.
Which sets up oil inventories to decline even faster in 2023. Which will lead to upward pressure on oil prices next year.
Oil prices and oil stocks have pulled back recently and currently represent an opportunity for those who have missed the big gains over the last two years to take advantage.
Of course, not everyone is interested in taking suggestions from someone who comments anonymously on a blog. Good luck to the investors here.
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
If only I had more money to invest….I am buying puts on home builders and XHB every chance I get during rallies. My target is $55 put strikes for January 2024. On CNBC a guy was talking about a huge volume (1000 put contracts) on Las Vegas sands for January 2023 $35 strikes. Someone is betting big LVS will tank by January. I may get on board for the thrill, it’s a wild speculative play which I will occasionally do with my profits from time to time and may need to a potential loss.
It is important to note that LVS main assets are in Macau and contrary to the name, none in the US. May tie in with the upcoming Trick or Treat day.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
I enjoy your posts. Lots of good ideas, even if I don’t always take advantage of them. Thanks!
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
“On CNBC a guy was talking about…”
These words cost me a lot of pain when I first started trading.
I forget the source, but I recall a story years ago when Bartiromo was at CNBC, before Cramer was there, Cramer would call in a basket of “recommended” stocks that she’d read off on air for his hedge fund to dump at the surge.
I’ll consider the logic for almost any pundit, but very seldom trade it, especially not a “live market” venue.
Sorry I tend to be doom/gloom at times, but be careful with CNBC as a source of trading/investment advice.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Imagine my surprise; I always thought oil was largely a global market? Isn’t the global economy slowing down; especially in the EU and China?
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Yep. Oil is a global market. Check out the global demand and supply numbers. And then check out inventories.
Global commercial oil inventories dropped for two years and have flatlined recently. Commercial inventories stopped dropping when government inventories began dropping.
Once SPR releases end, expect commercial inventories to resume dropping.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
If I expect oil to drop to say $40 in a recession, do I keep a high inventory when oil is selling at $83, or just enough oil to meed demand?
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab

If “you” expect oil to drop to $40, “you” should not own oil stocks.

Personally, I think $40 is very unlikely, though not impossible. It would require a very deep recession to reduce demand. And it assumes that OPEC and others would not respond with cuts to supply, as they just did.

In general, commodity prices, though volatile on a day to day basis, reflect the long run supply/demand balance.

Inventories are dropping because demand continues to exceed supply. As long as this continues, the pressure is for higher prices, not lower.

In addition:

The US administration just put a floor price of $68-$72 in place for refilling the SPR.
OPEC is attempting to put a floor price of $90, by cutting quotas.
Russian production is falling quickly now, and they will be pushing OPEC for even more cuts and higher prices to make up the difference.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
thanks papa? your everyone’s favorite daddy.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
I wonder how much of net exports went to Ukraine?
Seriously, though, I do wonder about an exports surge when the US dollar is so high.
Aaron
Aaron
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Off the top of my head, our energy exports (Oil, LNG… even wood for burning) to Europe has ramped up quote a bit…
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  Aaron
LNG exports as much as 500%, (one story I read said over 1000%) just take a peek at Cheniere energy stock.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
A question to Mish… I looked at US net exports, but couldn’t find a break out beyond broad classifications. Do you know if those net exports include arms sales? Not just to Ukraine, but other countries.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
Banks are gearing for losses. When the loss tsunami arrives in 2023 financial conditions will tighten further.
HIGHER PROVISIONS FOR LOAN LOSSES ARE LOWERING EARNINGS GROWTH FOR S&P 500 BANKS FOR Q3
One factor contributing to the decline is that companies in the Banks industry are expected to report significantly higher provisions for loan losses in Q3 2022 relative to Q3 2021.

For example, Citigroup reported $2.26 billion in provisions for loan losses in Q3 2020 and -$192 million in provisions for loan losses in Q3 2021. For Q3 2022, the company reported provisions for loan losses of $1.37 billion.

FactSet Estimates actively tracks this metric for all 18 companies in the Banks industry in the S&P 500. In aggregate, the blended (combines actual results for companies that have reported and estimated results for companies yet to report) provision for loan losses for these 18 banks is $6.0 billion for Q3 2022, compared to -$4.9 billion for Q3 2021. Based on current estimates, the aggregate provision for loan losses for these 18 banks is expected to rise above pre-pandemic levels in the first half of 2023.

HippyDippy
HippyDippy
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
While it is tempting to dance a jig at banks getting their assets handed back to them, the consequences would be us bailing them out again once they prove yet again that they’re the worst place to put your money. Welfare queens don’t drive Cadillacs; they drive Bentleys.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
the great classic book, “where are the customers yachts ? “.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
1 year ago
Reply to  vanderlyn

Though I’ve probably cost a few of my clients the opportunity to buy a yacht, okay more than a few, I’d never heard of that book. Off to the evil Amazon site now though to correct that oversight. Thanks, I love the title!
JRM
JRM
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Wait until a “TOO BIG TOO FAIL” bank in Europe collapses!!!!
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
“But we still will have skirted recession even if the much lower Blue Chip assessment is correct.”
What do the Bosses (in charge of employment) think?
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
CEO sentiment usually follows the stock market, it bottomed at the tail end of 2008 right before the market’s low two months later.
This gauge has followed the stock market lockstep from the bottom in 2020, top in 2021 and back to now.
If anything, that could be interpreted as a “buy” indicator, I’m not saying to buy, but it’s worth a glance compared to the SPX at the same time.
CRS65
CRS65
1 year ago
We are in statistic hell! When investors and trading algorithms become myopically focused on macro-economic factors such as CPI and GDP we are in a leading and lagging statistical circular feedback loop that diverts focus from real on the ground fundamental truths. The economy was not as weak as GDP figures indicated in the first half of the year and now the economy is likely not as strong as the third quarter GDP will report. Inflation is not stuck at a stubbornly high 8% plus level as the reported YoY CPI indicates. Investors, economists and policy makers are becoming like a twenty something person who has never driven a car without using GPS navigation and thus has never developed a sense of direction and cannot drive across town without a computer telling them how to get there.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
1 year ago
Reply to  CRS65
Yeah; generally speaking, I’ve found that when we’re going full blast no one cares about those stats. Too busy raking in the money. However, there are a lot of factors at play in all of this that makes this unprecedented. The supply chain issues are not going to go away. Though it’s not just because we have a bunch of idiots in charge saying “Shut ‘er down!”. It’s more like the unions moving in on California and using all their political clout to take over. At least according to rumor. It’s also global. It’s also spanning not just one or two areas of the economy; but all areas. But at least, as long as you compare it to the ones in the basket now, the dollar has the appearance of strength. Unfortunately, we also have the most idiotic players in the political theater one could ever possibly hope to acquire. Not just the Dems, every single political hack. Especially your favorite one. This whole “recession” was created by two entities; the FED and Washington, DC. And they continue to prove they are not to be trusted with the reins of power. So, I predict we’re in for a much stormier ride. One can never overestimate the ability of large groups of corrupt and stupid people to mess things up for everyone else.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  CRS65
I agree, with smirk, everyone’s lingering on each tiny tasty morsel of data to prove or disprove a topos to mitigate the nail-biting.
Inflation got high, the Fed intervened, prices have & will fall, but I’m not betting the Fed’s that inept they’ll allow us to repeat 2008.
Both monetary and Fiscal reactions in 2020’s lockdown were overkill, the Fed stopped the sugar rush, albeit late, I suspect their attention is very focused, regardless how much we think about it.

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