GDPNow Forecast for Q3 Dips to 1.4 Percent on Housing Weakness

GDPNow data from Atlanta Fed, chart by Mish

The last GDPNow update was August 17 with the model GDP at 1.6%. 

Please consider the August 24 update to the GDPNow Forecast for Q3 GDP.

The GDPNow model estimate for real GDP growth (seasonally adjusted annual rate) in the third quarter of 2022 is 1.4 percent on August 24, down from 1.6 percent on August 17. After recent releases from the US Census Bureau and the National Association of Realtors, the nowcast of third-quarter real gross private domestic investment growth decreased from -3.5 percent to -4.7 percent.

Base Forecast vs Real Final Sales

The real final sales (RFS) number is the one to watch, not baseline GDP.

RFS ignores changes in inventories which net to zero over time. This is a good reason to ignore the talk of two quarters of declining GDP being a recession.

RFS in the second quarter was positive. I stick with my assessment of a recession starting in May, assuming the upcoming data matches my forecasts.

Retail sales plunged in May after a strong April, and that’s when housing started to crumble as well.

1.8 percent on real final sales is not recession territory, but I strongly believe that will not hold up. GDPNow forecasts tend to start out strong then fade as the quarter progresses. 

There is over two months of data for Q3 still to be seen and estimates are dropping quickly.

GDPNow Jumps on Jobs Data

On August 10, I commented GDPNow Third-Quarter Forecast Jumps to 2.5 Percent, Recession Off?

Models Don’t Think

Models don’t think. Humans can, perhaps incorrectly.

The baseline job numbers do not match 200,000 layoffs at Amazon, consumer sentiment, rising jobless claims (albeit from record low levels), warnings from retailers including Walmart and Target, layoffs at Walmart, and two warnings from Micron on demand for computer chips.

I smell huge revisions to the job numbers. 

Huge Job Discrepancies

On August 5, I commented I’m Calling BS on the Second Straight Amazing Jobs Report, Understanding Why

Synopsis Since March

  • Employment -168,000
  • Jobs +1,680,000

The household (employment) survey numbers are admittedly noisy, and employment is yes or no whereas a person can hold multiple jobs, but a five month divergence of over 1.8 million now stands out as more than a bit unusual.

I suspect unaccounted for retirements picked up by the household survey with replacements erroneously added to the establishment (jobs) survey.

Whether or not jobs data is revised away, the model sinks with every housing report.

Long Period of Weak Growth

Jobs are a mirage, sort of. I actually expect them to be relatively strong this recession.

Lost in the debate over whether recession has started is the observation that it doesn’t matter much either way.

For discussion, please see Expect a Long Period of Weak Growth, Whether or Not It’s Labeled Recession

By long I do not necessarily mean continually. Rather I foresee economic weakness and flirting in or near recession for over a year.

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8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Natgas futures weekly : Aug 16 close > Mar 23 high, a new setup bar. // This week Aug 22 high > last week Aug 16 high, a trigger with a large selling tail. Natgas season is over.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
natgas weekly large selling tail < May 23 high
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
GNPN, down in stepping stones.
Karlmarx
Karlmarx
1 year ago
World economy is in a slow motion train wreck.
As my econ 101 professor said – borrowing is consuming today what is produced in the future. As production falls the future moves further and further away….
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
Reply to  Karlmarx
“World economy is in a slow motion train wreck.”
Until something Breaks
then down we go on the coaster. Gaming metrics global. Bloomberg yesterday had an article on China business loans. China focuses closely on credit growth. Wants banks to lend to help stave off slow down. Banks don’t really want to (and be stuck with loan losses). So, banksters are lending to businesses who turn around and deposit the funds with the bank … and businesses receive interest income on their deposit that matches their loan rate.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett

Based on your belief in the coming worldwide economic crash, what are you invested in? Cash?

Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
I have some cash / treasuries, but mostly in kick the tire cash flow entities. My horizons are different than most. I have no problem waiting years for right opportunity. I have my eye on end of 2023 and 2024 before next move.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
I’m all about cash flow and its return to investors. I’m sitting on a lot of oil stocks with enormous cash flows. And most of them have declared their intent to reward shareholders with that cash flow.
Christoball
Christoball
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Did you say intent?????
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Christoball
Intent
“resolved or determined to do (something).”
Christoball
Christoball
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Yes, it works every time. I still have some youthful impatience, but as before it is worth the wait. There are advantages to having cash when no one else does. When financing dries up in certain asset classes there, is a lot of opportunity.
Karlmarx
Karlmarx
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
The Gavones in charge are going to do exactly what every junta has done throughout history – they will continue to debauche the currency until hyperinflation ensues. China may be a mess financially, but at least it produces stuff. The US does too in spite of the amount of rot in the economy. European and most “developing countries” will teeter off the ledge first
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Karlmarx
Based on your belief in the coming worldwide economic crash, what are you invested in? Cash?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reading Mish’s blog is like watching a slow-motion train wreck. Gold down $300 since March, but like everything else, the time to buy was five years ago.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
Pending home sale index (July) down 19.9% year over year.
Broad based … year over year
Northeast … -15.4%
Midwest … -13.4%
South … -20.0%
West … -30.1%
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
House bidding war beneficiaries are suddenly in short supply. 50k here, 100k there, and you’re talking about real money.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz

As the U.S. housing market cools, feverish competition for homes in the past couple of years has left 72% having regrets about their home purchases, according to a recent survey from Clever Real Estate.

The number-one reason for the buyer’s remorse: 30% of respondents said they spent too much money.

The second most common regret was rushing the home-buying process, with 30% saying their purchase decision was rushed and 26% indicating they bought too quickly.

billybobjr
billybobjr
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Well Biden should bail them out just like he did the people who have student loan debt . It is not their fault
they paid to much for the houses and now realize it . A trillion here ,trillion there, what difference does it make ?
I pity the fools who worked hard and paid off their loans and or went to colleges they could afford what fools .
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
Reply to  billybobjr
Don’t forget about those who never went to college. How many didn’t go because they didn’t want to be saddled with the debt? … and are stuck in menial jobs for the rest of their lives?
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
The same pattern as housing. If you balk at paying the bubble prices, you loose the bidding war. Hence, you can count on (bankrupt) government to make you whole. A wile coyote moment was a documentary.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
I’d complain that I paid mine off, but college was so cheap then that I didn’t need them… only took them because I figured nuclear Armageddon was only a few weeks away, and spent the money on guitars, drugs, and liquor.
As of yet, the nuclear jubilee has not transpired….
JRM
JRM
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
The vast majority graduates don’t get jobs in the field that their degrees were for!!!!
How many regret going to college and are now saddle with that debt???
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Buyer’s remorse has only just started. Give it another six months…. TMBNTL (trying my best not to laugh).

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