Gold Shorts Pile On, Let’s Investigate the Timing

Gold chart courtesy of StockCharts.com annotations by Mish.

This post is inspired by a pair of Tweets by Fred Hickey on the COT position and a response to it.

The Managed Money position tends to be late in entry on the way up, and overstay  shorts and longs when reversals are at hand. 

Note that the Commission of Traders (COT) reports come out on Friday but reflect the position on the previous Tuesday. 

Gold Last Five Days 

Gold chart courtesy of StockCharts.com annotations by Mish.

Sometimes the trend followers get it correct and sometimes they don’t.

Their timing has been mostly good this year but they missed out on some big moves  in the past few years.

On a different note, I am glad Hickey seems to have abandoned his practice of calling the commercials “smart money”.

One set of commercials are the miners selling production, another set of commercials are the Jewelry producers and industrial users, and the third set are the hedged market makers who take the other side of trades. 

There is nothing either smart or dumb in commercial positioning. 

Let’s go back a bit further.

Gold closed today near $1840.

US Dollar Fluctuations Have No Meaningful Impact On the Price of Gold

Dollar and Gold charts courtesy of StockCharts.Com annotations by Mish

Flashback May 11, 2022: US Dollar Fluctuations Have No Meaningful Impact On the Price of Gold

In terms of gold, hardly anything has changed for a month although the miners have been hit hard, impacted by rising energy costs and liquidity issues.

Gold itself brushed off a huge push up in the dollar since the beginning of 2021.

General rules about gold and the dollar don’t work over significant period of time.

Gold vs Faith in Central Banks

Gold chart from St. Louis Fed, annotations by Mish.

I have posted that chart before and have not updated it for a while. Also, I am running out of room for notes. 

Is Everything Under Control?

No one can tell you where gold, stocks, or Bitcoin is headed, and I won’t either because I don’t know.

But I can suggest what a key driver of gold has been historically speaking. On that score, I like my chances.

Recent gold weakness reflects a bit of renewed belief in Powell. How much is warranted? And even if it is warranted, what are the odds of a currency crisis somewhere?

End of the 40-Year Bull in Debt and a “Global Depression” Threat

For discussion of the currency crisis idea, please see End of the 40-Year Bull in Debt and a “Global Depression” Threat

The discussion includes a video interview of Danielle DiMartino Booth who commented “If you want a front row seat with popcorn, follow the EM [emerging market] space.”

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Bam_Man
Bam_Man
1 year ago
A “cup-and-handle” has now formed within the “handle” of the “cup-and-handle” formation that dates back to 2011.
This is becoming the strangest long-term chart I have ever seen.
Carl_R
Carl_R
1 year ago
Reply to  Bam_Man
It needs to break the top of 1923 to confirm the cup-with-handle breakout. It failed, but it may try again.
Cocoa
Cocoa
1 year ago
Unfortunately miners are getting whaled on with energy costs. I think gold needs to be around 1200 to make it worthwhile…worse so in a high labor and energy(mining costs) environment. For a good play on gold I would try Sprott gold or metals funds. He at least will try to be good for it and buy the metal and not the paper
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
i believe this is the clearest way to look at gold. as a ratio against stocks and r/e. comments welcome. going to great fortunes lost and made in the coming decade.
Scooot
Scooot
1 year ago
Reply to  vanderlyn

I’ve watched the Dow/Gold ratio for a while now. I’ve also been expecting it to go into single figures for a long time but maybe it’s on its way now? These are basically a good visual value guide using Gold as the base currency. Gold being a more stable currency to use than fiat over longer time periods.

Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
1 year ago

Note those near-vertical lines. These 50‒75 basis point moves people now consider “aggressive” are mild in comparison. The Volcker Fed had multiple hikes of 100 bps or more. Volcker rewarded Jimmy Carter’s appointment by giving him an immediate recession going into 1980. Then they took fed funds 1,000 points higher in the second half of 1980, helping cost Carter the election and welcoming Ronald Reagan with an even deeper recession.

Volcker and his FOMC made no pretense of acting gradually. They did what they thought was necessary, generating enormous pain but finally stamping out inflation. I hope Jerome Powell will find his inner Volcker. This week’s 75-basis-point hike—widely portrayed as “aggressive”—was far short of the mark. Powell is practicing the very “gradualism” Arthur Burns did, and which he later admitted was a mistake.

This means, unfortunately, taming inflation will be difficult, and the Fed will have to clamp down even harder. Would we be better off with a Volcker-style rapid rise that kills demand across the economy? Or getting the recession gradually? I’m sure the Fed staff is telling the FOMC members they can get CPI and PCE back down without imposing such pain. I’m equally sure they have models showing this. We are going to find out if they’re right.

Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
When Volker started inflation was at 16% and that was on everything. It took interest rates of 20% to kill it. Fortunately we are not there so fewer rate hikes hopefully will kill inflation.
QTPie
QTPie
1 year ago
In the meantime, here is the state of the ballyhooed alternatives: BTC just dipped under $20K and ETH under $1K. That ought to trigger some margin calls.
Have fun being poor, Crypto Bros.! – link to coindesk.com
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
Reply to  QTPie
Thanks for the reminder.
Just checked bitcoin and @ $19K now.
Saylor (microstrategy) margin call, er, not a margin call* mark $21K. If bitcoin holds at this level, Monday could be interesting.
*Saylor spoke gibberish if bitcoin ever got that low he would not face a margin call since he could easily post more collateral (bitcoins). Uh, dude … that is PRECISELY what a margin call is … more collateral or cash.
QTPie
QTPie
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
We’ve now crossed $18K. BTC is in freefall. ETH is at $900.
Of course, there is now way to determine a fair value for these things… as they have no intrinsic value! They could easily fall a lot more.
Gator Break
Gator Break
1 year ago
What specifically do you watch to view the EM (emerging market) space?
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
1 year ago
This one is worth the read.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
USD osc between 1999/ 2001 highs and 2008/2011 lows. Bubble up/ bubble down and back to the trading zone. Moving the chart to the left :
Feb 1985 high at 165 down to Dec 1987 low at 85. After the plunge DXY Anti BB still dominate the chart :
Dec 1987 lo/ June 1989 high, 85.33/ 106.59. DXY is back in the congestion area, We don’t know what DXY do next.
Robbyrob
Robbyrob
1 year ago
Rising costs signal the ‘long emergency’ we face after glutting on cheap energy
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Robbyrob
Excellent article.
Many here continue to ignore the energy, oil, fossil fuel supply/demand problem. They would rather talk about gold. Which, to me, is a waste of time.
The world runs on energy. Take it away and watch the world crumble.
Take gold away and no one would care much.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Yeah , 2 years ago, oil became practically worthless overnight….it took my individual ‘safe’ buy and hold oilstocks, (Shell,Total) almost three years to reach present levels again…. a economic slowdown or depression , new p(l)andemics , climatoligical disasters, serious geopolitical events etc are definitely in the cards…..At present I have 35% cash and other liquid assets, 40% bonds, 25% stocks…..I would be a happy man, financially at least, if I were to fetch a healthy 3 or 4% on my, mostly, Euro cash, don t wanna run risks anymore during my rather, statistically, limited lifespan ….
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
I understand what you are saying. Our expected lifespan is a factor in our investment decisions. You are wise to consider it.
Oil prices going negative are a classic example of a sudden and serious supply/demand imbalance. Even though oil companies worldwide had been reducing capex for around 5 years in the expectation of weaker demand going forward, the pandemic caught them off guard as demand dropped suddenly and unexpectedly in 2020. And as was pointed out recently here, the investors in the futures markets were caught with oil that no one wanted to take delivery of, and were willing to pay someone to take it off their hands (hence the negative price).
Oil companies have learned a valuable lesson over the last decade. They learned that borrowing hundreds of billions to ramp up production in the face of growing demand ends in tears every time, as supply eventually overshoots demand and they lose a lot of money or even go out of business.
In addition, they have been vilified publicly by governments, lenders, big pensions, investment banks, the press, and the general public for producing a product that they all want phased out, yet continue to use every single day. And fossil fuels will continue to be used by all these folks for the rest of their lives. Which leads to the interesting situation we now face where the oil companies are being vilified for not producing enough of those dirty fossil fuels and for profiteering at the expense of all those folks who want them out of business.
Talk about being caught between a rock and a hard place!
Better to keep capex to levels that are self funded from cash flow and keep production steady or growing slightly. And use the rest to pay off debt, buyback shares, and pay dividends.
Which along with strong demand keeps supply reasonable and prices firm. And if a recession does reduce demand, then you can ride it out with breakeven levels below $40.
At $100 these companies are gushing cash flow for their investors.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
You make good points.
BUT markets will likely have a baby with the bath water event … where everything will go down. Why? ETFs. When GFC hit they were not that big a deal (around $1trillion, or so, iirc). Now? I think they are $5trillion to $6trillion (or more). To mimic whatever index they are tracking just about every $ invested. Maybe 1% or so of cash for redemptions. When the redemptions come, the funds will have to sell everything to keep weighting.
Markets have not been truly tested since ETFs became dominant.
I could well be wrong, but I don’t think it will be pretty.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Collateral damage is inevitable. My core oil position took a kicking this week. Down 15%. But my trading position picked up some great bargains. And the companies themselves, would have been buying back their shares in their declared Normal Course Issuer Bids.
At $80 most of these companies will be generating over 20% FCF. At $90, 25%. At $100, 30%. And many of them have committed to returning up to 100% of that FCF to shareholders through share buybacks or dividends. And they have enough reserves to do this for 10 to 50 years. I am in for the long haul on this scenario.
Dr. Odyssey
Dr. Odyssey
1 year ago
Reply to  Robbyrob
I agree. It is a good article.
Here is a little of the recent geopolitics that have entered into the equation.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
1 year ago
Reply to  Dr. Odyssey
Those are 2 excellent articles Robbyrob and Dr. Odyssey and they are correct.
-Europe has shot itself in the head listening to its puppet master and will decline severely economically going forward. Grab some popcorn and watch the politics. How much longer can the EU survive? At some point in the future as Kidhorn as stated, Europe will join the rest of the continent as a neccessity.
-Also, the world is dividing into 2 blocks and in my opinion and it will be likely the US in one block and everyone other country in the other block. It will stand alone. It has alienated the rest of the world.
-Energy is the economy and we are at the peak. Do not be surprised by consistent negative growth years ahead.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago

Gold is a commodity that is very difficult to predict the demand vs supply balance, which for me, makes it hard to invest in.

Looking up its uses leads to a wide variety of data, which don’t match up very well.

One site says 80% of gold is used in jewelry and 11% in Industrial uses. I also saw 78% and 11%.

Another site said 47.2% investment bars and coins, 37.5% jewelry, 8.0% technology, and 7.3% central bank purchases.

One said 55.43% jewelry, 25.02% investment, 12.33% central banks, and 8.21% technology.

Its all over the place.

And how does one predict jewelry, investment, and central bank demand?

And most gold never gets used up. The total amount of gold in the world keeps going up every year. So it isn’t becoming more scarce.

And historically gold has been a poor investment.

If you bought $10,000 in gold in 1942 it would be worth $500,000 today.

Whereas $10,000 in an index fund would be worth $51,000,000.

Scooot
Scooot
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
“And historically gold has been a poor investment.”
Gold isn’t an investment, it’s an alternative for when you don’t want to invest.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Scooot
I knew people who didn’t want to invest in the early 80s and bought gold. They are now 80 and still working.
Scooot
Scooot
1 year ago
It’s a bit daft not wanting to invest for ever.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Scooot
Yet that is exactly what many here keep doing. Always waiting for “the big crash” while hanging on to cash and gold.
And every time there is a crash, they are too afraid to invest, because there is an even bigger crash coming!
Someone here said that they would wait for oil to drop to to $40 before they invest in it. Yet they didn’t invest in it in 2020 went it went so far below $40, it went negative.
The sky is always falling for these chicken littles and they will never invest.
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  Scooot
Klaus Schwab: You will own nothing…
Roosevelt confiscated privately owned gold. Why stop there? The government can eliminate anything private. All it takes is the right emergency.
Carl_R
Carl_R
1 year ago
Interesting chart. That appears to be a cup with handle.
ColoradoAccountant
ColoradoAccountant
1 year ago
Gold would be a good commodity to back a country’s currency. link to ieo.imf.org
Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Why? I don’t think it is impressive or all that useful, except in jewelery. Why not choose something more useful like platinum or palladium?
Scooot
Scooot
1 year ago
Thanks for posting the link, I found it very interesting, and worrying, I’d be interested in Mish’s view on what was discussed.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
1 year ago

I would expect gold prices to eventually decline given slowdown in the economy.

vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
gold seems to run in world history when there is panic of war, financial crisis and revolutions and such. the panic of 2008 made it really go ballistic……..last time. and during repo panic few years ago.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
If WTIC close < Mar 14 low, – not Mar 28 low, – the risk of a deeper correction is high.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
Based on Elliott waves technical analysis, the risk of a deeper oil correction is already high. The ending diagonal scenario I was tracking finally was confirmed by 1.) a sharp price reversal below the lower edge. 2.) the pullback is greater than wave 5 ( early june $111.20 low to mid June $123.68) advance. Further evidence of a top is the price closing below the 50 day moving avg, and the financial media continuing to scream bloody murder about oil prices despite a 10% price drop.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Biden is flying to the ME for a victory lap, before Nov election.
WTIC weekly : After failing to close > Mar 7 high for 13 weeks and closing on May 6 < Mar 7 open, WTIC plunged.
If WTIC close < Mar 28 low the risk of moving lower is high.
At this point WTIC is in a trading range, doing nothing to help the economy. Next support between 90 – 95 area to close Feb 22/28 open gap. If fail : 65 area, a S wave to Feb 2020 top, to : Nov 29 2021 fractal zone. It can get even worse !!
Kauaifb
Kauaifb
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
He has invited himself to Jeddah. They said “now’s not a good time…”
Dr_Novaxx
Dr_Novaxx
1 year ago
Both miners & /GC have held up well in the past month, in the face of intense selling pressures in both SPX, XLU & WTI.
It’s one of the few safe havens left at this time.

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