Good Reason to Expect Recession: Greenspan Doesn’t

I agree. Essential public services should be in public ownership. Look at California’s PGE. Having said that, even under government rule, you’re not save from corruption or mismanagement. The people of Flint know all about that.

Thing is there is no “our.” In progressive Newspeak, “Our’s” is just shorthand for “Dear Leader’s.” To do with as he sees fit. The only time “our’s” come into play, is when it’s time to pay for any of it.

Instead, “Your” “Power generation, distribution and water industries” should be in your ownership. Mine in mine.

Then, both of us would be in a position to bargain with anyone claiming to be able to provide it for a good price, from a position of strength. Instead of, as of now, having to choose between bowing down, either to half literate PE clowns who bought up utilities with money the Fed stole from others for them, or to Hugo Chavez or some likeminded moron.

Keep a generator or four at home, and nice sized water and fuel tanks. Always topped up. 6 months worth. Then, from that position of strength, negotiate with suppliers over who gets to keep them topped up.

And for those sufficiently indoctrinated to insist that this is not “practical”, that’s exactly how it is done on big(ish) boats with decent tankage. Fuel up in Venezuela, Gibraltar or other cheap spots; make your own water unless someone decide to make you an offer you can’t refuse for filling your tanks. Tankage on boats is expensive. On land, installing them is a genuine pittance. The key is to have procedures in place which allow you to pare down usage, during “droughts.” So you can wait out anyone trying to squeeze you.

And if you don’t feel like doing it all yourself, plenty of churches and other voluntary communities do maintain emergency rations. Cities and other “public” communities used to as well, until they became progressive enough to figure their captive underlings are less likely to get all uppity about being robbed and harassed, if they are kept desperate and on a short leash wrt necessities.

You’re preaching to the “Four legs good, two legs bad” crowd who are glued to Fox News. Understanding that government can be a positive force as well as not perfect is well beyond the mental agility of the Reagan crowd. Try taking away their Social Security, Medicare and gutting the military and they’ll all suddenly be in love with THEIR government programs.

You should try setting up a business in Mozambique, if you think government there will leave you alone…….. Africa is the worst of the worst, when it comes to government interference and shakedowns of anyone who look like they just about may have a buck. Quadruply so if that somebody can in any way be construed to be an “outsider.”

Problem with Lenin, although he was an acute observer of the reality surrounding him, was that he didn’t watch enough Western Movies.

The American experience, essentially that of an open frontier, demonstrated exactly how to prevent the decay Lenin experienced in Europe. Hence why America grew right past the Europe it originated from, in the 19th century.

America dd so specifically because that open frontier allowed people to simply route around the leeching riffraff, both banksters and government drones, by mowing ever further West. As long as that frontier was open, America remained reasonably free. Unlike Europe; both the nominally “capitalist” and the nominally “socialist” one. Both “systems” which were then, as now, just two brand names for the exact same thing: Unlimited rule by privileged halfwits, with no way for the ruled to simply disregard it all and leave the idiots to stew in their own idiocies.

That experience is still the only way to avoid the decay intrinsic to both the FIRE plague Lenin warned about, as well as Lenin’s proposed solution; neither of which worked, nor can ever work, in any way, shape, nor form at all.

The trick is hence to create an experience as close to that of an open, untamed and; and this is important, unruled; frontier as possible; even in the absence of the specific physical and geographic features that created one in America. Do that, and both FIRE idiots and Leninists will be out their current business in no time. Both forced to either do something productive and non harassing for a change, or to simply starve to death. Or perhaps find themselves dangling from the end of a tree branch, if they refuse to kick their robbing and harassing habits.

mono wrote — “So, Country Bob, you ready to give up your SS and Medicare yet?”

Yes, go ahead and cancel SS and Medicare. I don’t believe they will be paid as it is, so canceling the programs will be a lot more honest than pretending they are still funded.

The government is already doing means testing on both programs, which they swore would not happen.

Despite Pochohantis lying all the time, the trustees of Medicare have admitted that it is bankrupt.

Social Security has admitted they cannot pay benefits in full — which is called a default in case you don’t speak English. And that is what they are admitting to, the actual funding levels are much worse than politicians admit to.

Go ahead and cancel both programs. That is going to happen anyway — you are just too dumb to admit it

You live in an alternate universe. Taxes are lower across the country yet the purported increase in economic activity from this has resulted in no net increase in revenue to the treasury which in addition to new defense spending has exploded the deficit. In addition to debt and deficit nobody, even you, wants to address the truth. You are fine sitting on your high horse and blaming programs you dont like but wont address the elephant in the equation.