The Wall Street Journal reports Trump Considers Declaring National Emergency to Build Border Wall.
President Trump said he was considering declaring a national emergency to build a southern border wall if Congress doesn’t fund it, following a Friday meeting with congressional leaders that both Mr. Trump and Democratic lawmakers described as contentious.
Mr. Trump said he hoped the shutdown “doesn’t go on even beyond a few more days,” but also said he told congressional leaders that the shutdown could last for months or even years if Democrats don’t agree to fund the border wall.
Later in his remarks, the president floated the idea of bypassing Congress. “We can call a national emergency because of the security of our country,” he said, adding: “I may do it.” But he said he preferred to negotiate with lawmakers to obtain funding.
A spokesman for the House Appropriations Committee called the move “legally dubious” and said it would “invite a legal challenge from Congress.”
Wall Without Funding
Curiously, a wall without funding was the top vote-getter in my January 1 poll.
What’s the Wall Resolution?https://t.co/QVKyDDPHMF
1. Democrats agree to wall funding enough to satisfy Trump
2. Senate caves passing something that Trump caves in and signs
3. Senate caves, Trump doesn’t sign, Congress overrides veto
4. Trump builds the wall without funding
— Mike “Mish” Shedlock (@MishGEA) January 1, 2019
Rest assured this won’t go years. At some point Congress would override a Trump veto.
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
Meanwhile, the National Parks are still operating, albeit in a somewhat disorganized manner. Imagine, people acting on their own free will, without Uncle Sam’s guiding hand. Oh sure, it’s not perfection, but it has only been two weeks (with holidays and vacations). The Park Service has had 100 years to get organized. I’m fairly certain if this shutdown goes for more than a few months there will be crowd funding initiatives, state funding, local funding and probably just people pitching in to keep the parks nice. In fact I’d bet visitors, already accustomed to the “pack it out” mentality, will just take it on themselves to clean up and quite possibly even better than the paid Park Service employees.
Wow, you have a high opinion of the average beezlebub who visits a national park. The parks should be closed until the shutdown ends.
“Rest assured this won’t go years. At some point Congress would override a Trump veto.”
Why? Trump’s support amongst districts he carried has only gotten stronger. Republican’s would be signing their death warrant if they voted to overthrow his veto.
Besides, why shouldn’t some govt employees get a taste of reality? Private sector employees have no guaranttee, especially if doing non-essential work. If these people had to compete in the private sector, they would have been unemployed long ago. Being unemployed makes one figure out how to add value quickly.
Costs in the health care industry will contract by 40% one way or another in the coming decade. Who is going to feel sorry for all the pencil pushers that provide zero actual health care to patients when their “jobs” go bye bye?
As people continue to leave states that are circling the govt pension drain, govt employees will have to be cut. The same problem exist at the Federal level, so why is it unconscionable to cut Federal employees. If you have to borrow to pay your bills, you are destined to implode.
For those that think the govt should be funded before negotiating on the wall, I must ask – should we drop sanctions on countries like Iran, Russia, and S. Korea? It’s called leverage. If we remove sanctions or completely fund govt, where is the motivation for leaders to change?
THE ECONOMIC DECLINE AROUND THE WORLD IS THE RESULT OF GOVT’S ENDLESSLY INCREASING TAXES, FEES, AND ASSET FORFEITURES TO PAY FOR UNSUSTAINABLE GOVT PENSIONS, PERKS, AND POWER.
If govt is not going to proactively reform and downsize to allow for economic expansion, then govt shut downs are the next best thing, provided back-pay is only severance. The sooner govt employees get acclimated to the real world, the better. Since govt has no intention of ever paying back the debt, which is impossible, the only solution is debt-equity swaps and the private sector running most of what govt inefficiently provides now. There’s no better time than the present.
take your meds buddy, take your meds!
If the shutdown causes welfare programs and other free stuff for non-citizens to end, we won’t need a wall.
Winning
“Rest assured this won’t go years.”
I’d rest better if were assured it would go years.
Anderson Cooper is a propagandist. CNN is a propaganda operation.
Schumer and Pelosi don’t care whether federal workers get paid and Cooper knows that. The House approved 5 billion for the wall before Pelosi took over.
I did not know any Mish readers are dumb enough to watch Anderson Blooper or anything else on the Commie News Network.
Trump can’t back down because Ann Coulter called him a wimp. So Ann Coulter controls the presidency now. This is what it has come to… a has-been reality star in the oval office, controlled by a RageTV pundit.
I know lots of young people who have jobs similar to TSA jobs… guys who work at the airport for Fedex, other shipping companies, or just general airport jobs… all of them live paycheck to paycheck, (like most Americans!) and they would get wrecked by suddenly losing a paycheck. These are real people and you are thinking make believe about them.
Perhaps they will turn this into a learning experience then and realize they have to live cheaply and save for that rainy day. If they can’t do that where they live, then they need to go back to school or move.
Like I said, you are thinking make believe. Your words are fantastic, in the purest sense of that word. If people followed your advice, we would need tens of millions of Americans to leave America, for… where? You are delusional.
I hope he gets the wall through and hope he hangs tough. We’re standing behind him!
But CNN also has guests on claiming government employees are struggling to make ends meet. They will never reveal that employees will get back pay and more and want us to think they should be unemployed.
Sure, they’ll get paid, after their credit is ruined, their stuff repossessed, and they’ve been evicted. Money for groceries doesn’t do any good 6 months from now.
How will the “optics” be when poor families with kids start going hungry without SNAP? These are real people with real difficulties, and something like 40% of SNAP households have kids. Trump is basically taking hostages in this negotiating and the Democrats should not reward this behavior. Open the government and then we can talk about some kind of deal… we can even bring back the 25 billion Democrats already offered for a wall in exchange for solving the Dreamers issue.
“How will the “optics” be…”
The optics i see is that Schumer and Pelosi don’t care about those who won’t get SNAP or their government paycheck in a timely manner. All they have to do is approve the 5 billion for the wall and the government will reopen. The House already approved the 5 billion before Pelosi took over.
“The House already approved the 5 billion before Pelosi took over.”
So why didn’t the Senate take it up, pass it and send it onto Trump?
Schumer and Pelosi also don’t care about all the Americans killed by illegals. Obviously, their vision is not 20/20.
“Reopen the government and than we’ll talk”. Same as let’s give all these illegals citizenship then we’ll discuss the border security. Hey Charlie Brown- do you still trust Lucy to hold the football?
Trump can still deploy the military to southern border and instruct them to shoot at anyone who tries to cross the border at non check points.
I don’t think so. He has had troops on the border but I believe they are only legally allowed to shoot if a proper border agent is attacked. Otherwise, all they can do is lay out fences , barbed wire and support the back work.
Trump sure wishes he were absolute dictator and didn’t have to follow the law. “Do THIS, because I say so!”.
Any declaration of a “National emergency” by Trump will be immediately challenged in court, where it will likely take years to resolve. SO that’s not going to work for Trump.
As to the shutdown, I was watching CNN this AM and apparently, the government is going to have to pay all back pay for [at least] union employees, based on a previous court case that the government lost back in 2013 from the last shut-down AND they are going to have to pay double. So at least a couple hundred thousand government employees are eventually going to get double pay for each day they are out. Which is going to cost in the hundreds of millions of $$. But who cares. We are already running at least $1 trillion deficit, so the government will just add another billion or two to that number.
Every way you look, Trump is a loser!
“Any declaration of a “National emergency” by Trump will be immediately challenged in court, where it will likely take years to resolve. SO that’s not going to work for Trump.”
If a national emergency declaration can be tied up in court, no president will ever be able to declare one.
Well, I guess they will have to first argue THAT in court. It’s wonderful that Trump can be marginalized by challenging every single attempt he makes to rule as a dictator. Ain’t the USA political system grand? [lol]
Your problems started when you admitted watching CNN.
Cite your source, other than CNN. I worked for the federal government from 1983-2017 and NEVER got paid back double time after the shutdowns ended. That’s not how it works. My job was considered non-exempt due to providing public safety and worked my normal rotating shifts and didn’t get paid till the shutdown ended. We had to use whatever savings we had to pay our bills.
For a long time, nothing will happen. There is finally a sign of pressure…TSA body searchers are becoming ill at several airports.