Hello Trump, It’s Not a Media Conspiracy, It’s You

Blame the Media

Trump blames the media.

What about the governors in 17 Republican-governed states?

Red State Governors Buck Trump

Politico reports Red State Governors Buck Trump and Stick With Social Distancing

Maryland Governor Larry Hogan

You can’t put a timeframe on saving people’s lives,” said Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan.

Most people think we’re weeks away from the peak, if not months. That’s the advice we’re getting from the smart folks at Johns Hopkins, the National Institutes of Health, the University of Maryland, places like that,” Hogan said.

Ohio Governor Mike DeWine

By staying home, we can all help protect our essential workers: doctors, nurses, first responders, truck drivers, grocery store employees, etc. Please do the right thing.”

Texas on the Fence

Texas is on the verge of a shutdown. Politico reported “Texas Gov. Greg Abbott during a Tuesday press conference signaled he may be open to issuing a sweeping statewide stay-at- home order, after the largest counties announced their own lockdowns.”

Tennessee Governor Bill Lee

On Sunday, Tennessee Governor Bill Lee issued New Order Banning Social Gatherings of More than 10; Restaurants and Bars Limited to Take-Out Service.

South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem

On Monday, South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem issued an executive order asking businesses to restrict gatherings

Oklahoma Governor Kevin Stitt

Please note OKC Mayor Holt bolsters Gov. Stitt’s decision to close nonessential businesses to stop coronavirus spread

Georgia Governor Brian Kemp

On Monday Georgia Gov. Kemp closes bars and nightclubs, orders vulnerable to COVID-19 to stay home

Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson

Last Thursday, Arkansas governor orders gyms, restaurant dining rooms, bars closed.

Nebraska Governor Pete Ricketts

Ricketts says ‘Don’t expect to be in church for Easter

New Hampshire Governor Chris Sununu

Sununu says N.H. won’t necessarily re-open restaurants by Easter.

Arizona Doug Ducey

Arizona Governor says schools closed for 2 more weeks due to coronavirus

Vermont Governor Phil Scott

Governor Scott issued a “Stay Home, Stay Safe” order last Wednesday.

Wyoming Governor Mark Gordon

Please note that Wyoming Governor, Health Officer, Order Coronavirus Closures

Trump’s Fantasyland

In Trump’s fantasyland world, the media and governors are all conspiring against him to cost him the election.

Shocking News

Republican governors in at least 15 states are now conspiring against Trump.

Who would have dreamt that?

Testing

On a per capita basis that is nonsense. Great job? Not!

Go Back to Work

Trump wants people to return to work.

We can argue all day whether that is the right approach, but it is under state control not the Federal government.

Republican governors are doing what they believe is in their best interests.

So are Democrat governors.

The risk of everyone going back to work is that it may undo any benefit of the isolation. This is not a Democrat vs Republican issue.

There is not one governor in either party shutting off state or corporate income taxes just to spite Trump.

Nor is there a media conspiracy rooting for the coronavirus.

The idea is so silly one has to wonder if Trump believes it himself. But most of his his true believers will and that’s a sad testament to political reality.

Mike “Mish” Shedlock

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mdecello
mdecello
4 years ago

Why no blue states highlighted in your article?

blacklisted
blacklisted
4 years ago

How many Republicn Gov’s are part of the establishment, like the many in CONgress? Are you really that clueless ?

After cardiovascular disease and cancer, respiratory diseases and infections are the next largest cause of death at 12%, with pneumonia alone responsible for 4.8% of the 2.56 million deaths (2017 numbers). Deaths from driving occur 2.3% of the time, suicides 1.5%, murder 0.75%, drugs & alcohol 0.65%, and seasonal flu is responsible for 0.54 to 1.2% of deaths.

I really don’t know why we don’t melt down all vehicles and build individual padded bunkers 20 stories under the Appalachian mountains, that regulates caloric intake with a vegan diet and zero alcohol. After all, we are intensionally crashing the economy and VOLUNTARILY creating an unemployment rate on par with the Great Depression over a virus that is responsible for 0.04% of the deaths. Great Depression studies show that a 10% increase in unemployment wilk cause 200,000 deaths from not having health insurance, suicides, opioid OD’s, etc.

EHERE IS THE PERSPECTIVE AND BALANCE?

The UK has downgraded the coronavirus, and the so-called authority who contributed to the panic, Neil Ferguson, has backtracked on his bogus model. Why do you not even mention anything that is not the establishment line of BS?

BaronAsh
BaronAsh
4 years ago

“We can argue all day whether that is the right approach, but it is under state control not the Federal government.”

True, but the President has veto on any new legislation mandating assistance to States.

This is a balancing act. The virus is dangerous, but so are many things populations deal with every day (AIDS, drug addiction, car crashes, old age, flu, poverty, obesity, mental illness etc.). Some sort of distancing for a while definitely slows it down, but if the damage to the underlying structure of the economy is too great, more people will be hurt by that than by the virus. There are no easy or precisely calculable options.

It would help greatly, however, if people on all sides would calm down and stop demonizing others. The Press has been especially hysterical and dishonest since the 2016 election which has in turn made the President overly sensitive to criticism, and after all the unjustified attacks he has endured this is only human.

Also: just wait a week. Several other countries are reporting excellent, demonstrable results from HCQ protocols. If this pans out in NY early next week, then in a matter of weeks most of the population can start taking it prophylactically, the infection and illness rate will plummet and this will essentially be over. So just wait until next week and then we’ll see.

AustinHappy
AustinHappy
4 years ago
Reply to  BaronAsh

I so hope you are right we’ll talk again on April Fools

Sir_Watkin_Bassett
Sir_Watkin_Bassett
4 years ago

It’s NEVER Trump’s fault, according to Trump and his insane worshippers. It’s ALWAYS Trump’s fault, according to the insane liberals. Insane, because he’s little more than a puppet for hostile foreign oligarchs.

wpbrighten
wpbrighten
4 years ago

Agreed with ‘ We can argue all day whether that is the right approach, but it is under state control not the Federal government.’ But aren’t these the same states that will be coming to the Federal Government for assistance when this is finally over. New Yorks estimated shortfalls are staggering as will be Californias. Will it be our Federal Governments responsibility to fund some states underfunded ‘Rolls Royce’ public pensions?

WildBull
WildBull
4 years ago

I don’t think too many will wait 18 months for a vaccine, either. There has been work on a SARS vaccine since 2003 without success. This is similar virus, so don’t be too hopeful.

Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  WildBull

Whey do people claim that there was no success in making a SARS vaccine? There was one made in 2004 that worked, and which had few side effects. The US tested it on mice, and Chinese tried it on people, and it was successful in both.

WildBull
WildBull
4 years ago

@Carl_R Exponential growth hasn’t been stopped by what we are doing now. 100,000 cases a month will take 3300 months to clear through the population. Even if you are talking about 100,000 serious cases, if 10% of the total are serious, that is still 330 months, or about 27.5 years. Get serious. Either it burns through or we live the rest of our live in isolation and poverty.

Stuki
Stuki
4 years ago
Reply to  WildBull

I believe he assumes a vaccine will be found. So that the we only have to suffer through those 100K/month until that time….

I’m more concerned that reliably managing to hold the rate to 100K/month, by way of hanging on to the back and never getting it front of it, is easier said than done. Restrictions in Lombardy have not really proven to slow things down yet, and their lock down is a lot stricter than what most of America is attempting.

In Wuhan, they stopped it. But their lockdown was/is another level of strict beyond Italy again. And, at least without heavy military involvement, probably not even possible in the US.

Once you are where the Chinese are at, essentially at the wheel, it is a lot easier to selectively loosen up to achieve an acceptable balance, than it is to attempt managing the runaway from a position firmly relegated to the trunk, or from hanging on to the trailer hitch trying to scrub your heels a bit harder to slow things down.

Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  Stuki

Yes, I am assuming there will be a vaccine in a year to 18 months. We need to keep the case rate manageable until then. Italy has slowed the case rate expansion to7.9% a day. South Korea has it down to 1% a day. Hong Kong is running 7.4% a day. Japan is 6.5% a day. To achieve my goal, the US will have to get it down to 3% a day or so, and keep it there. To keep it at 3% or less, we will have to continue quite a bit of social distancing, but not as much as if we were trying to eliminate it entirely, which we can’t do anyway.

Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  Stuki

Note that we have already reduced it from over 40% a day to under 25% a day. Within a couple weeks it should be under 10% a day. That’s still quite a ways from 3%, but i expect they will relax things a little.

Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago

My guess is that once social distancing flattens the curve and takes us out of exponential case growth, they will start relaxing the social distancing enough to keep the economy mostly functioning. They will settle on a “acceptable” number of cases, at say 100,000 cases a month and 1-2,000 deaths a month. Then by the time a vaccine it out in 18 months or so, COVID will have killed perhaps 20-40,000 Americans, not too dissimilar to a regular flu, albeit that it took a lot more restrictions to keep the case rate low enough to hold the death rate to that.

In the end, we will have all learned a lot about how to avoid catching colds and flus, and we will all be healthier in the years ahead because of it.

WildBull
WildBull
4 years ago

The media certainly want to instill panic. Probably to raise ratings. Watch the ABC evening news, if you can stomach it. Every word is spoken in a tone of voice that would make you believe that alien invaders have landed. And then there is the ominous background music. And for some reason, the whole thing is done without verbs. WTF??

Stuki
Stuki
4 years ago
Reply to  WildBull

“Every word is spoken in a tone of voice that would make you believe that alien invaders have landed.”

You mean, little spiky haired aliens from planet China?

That seems to be as far as Pompeo’s ability to grasp situation extends.

LarryK
LarryK
4 years ago

From a high level perspective, there IS a risk to life from shutting down the economy as much as we have. The longer it is shut, the higher the risk. So when you have ANY politician saying “reopening the economy is not worth one life”, they are talking crap. There has to be a balance, and that is what Trump is talking about….although for whatever reason he cannot explain this clearly.

And you have to admit, that whenever he “re-opens” the economy, will be too soon for most in the media and he will be pilloried for it. Better to get it over sooner rather than let this fester.

WildBull
WildBull
4 years ago
Reply to  LarryK

There is no good way out of this. Period. No matter what happens, it will be Trumps fault. I agree that the sooner this is over the better. I firmly believe that the virus has been spreading rapidly among working age people and children through work, school and daycare. It is FAR more widespread than the experts think. In the US, we don’t have grandparents living with their children, so the spread has been largely unnoticed in the younger people that shrug it off as a cold or the flu. The infection rate numbers are probably more limited by the number of tests than the number of infected.

Protect and isolate the retirees and elderly. Let everyone else get back to work. The damage from this panic will be worse than COVID19 in the long run.

johnmiller2577
johnmiller2577
4 years ago

“There is not one governor in either party shutting off state or corporate income taxes just to spite Trump.” Bullsh@@@t! If you think Gavin Newsom isn’t reveling in this, you’re nuts. He wants to tank the economy. He also wants to look like a her so he can run for president in the near future. Newsom had the nerve to utter the lie that 25 million people in CA would get this virus within 2 weeks! That is a bald-faced lie and meant to sow chaos. And yes, the media wants the economy to tank. They root for anything that hurts Trump.

sangell
sangell
4 years ago

People no longer pay attention but there were 16350 deaths from AIDS in 2017 and 37,832 recieved and AIDS diagnosis in 2018. In 1981 451 people died from AIDS and there was panic in the US over this deadly new disease. Today its just background noise so the media does have a lot to do with how we interpret and react to disease. Opioid and alcohol abuse will kill far more people than coronavirus but they are ‘old diseases’ not the shiny new one the media covers.

LegitJerry
LegitJerry
4 years ago

The gold fondler chronically rooting for more money printing to lift him out of years of under performance, very predictable.

njbr
njbr
4 years ago

Donny DF Trump needs to watch his propaganda outlet more closely…

Wmjack50
Wmjack50
4 years ago

Mish as a method of viral control Young people going back to work would help end the virus. Their bodies would quickly recover from the illness and produce antibodies to end the virus. Old folks stay home until clear

QE2Infinity
QE2Infinity
4 years ago

On the believe that misery loves company, and hitting on the themes that governments are corrupt and the media lies, here is an interesting article post WW2

elvis07
elvis07
4 years ago

former stockbroker for 32 years and daily reader of mish since 2005. through the years content has been very helpful. but can we stick to the markets rather than the TDS? plenty of that on CNN. thanks

QE2Infinity
QE2Infinity
4 years ago
Reply to  elvis07

Mish is a great analyst and I have learned a lot from him over the years. But clearly he has been Pavlovian trained to emotionally respond to Trump’s blatherings.

crazyworld
crazyworld
4 years ago

ONLY THE FOOLS DENY EXPERIMENTAL DATAS

I have pointed out many times that we are living outside of reality (Dysneyworld).
As an example, for a long time now we use new theories for the monetary system (ever over-expanding debts ( and consequently money supply and assets prices))
. I noted also the over-use of emotive decision ( women effect, alcohol and drug abuse, video games and internet misuse?) which are ONLY BASED ON BELIEF, not datas examination with our cortex (provided some still have one)
One thing which remain the same however all along is the quest for money as in the first place it allow us to find food and shelter. That is a reality we cannot ignore and hide aside yet.

Jackula
Jackula
4 years ago

Bill Gates: ‘keep going to resturaunts, go buy new houses, ignore that pile of bodies over in the corner’

rob_abides
rob_abides
4 years ago
Reply to  Jackula

This is a selective snippet of his statement, which is in direct opposition to what he said. Why would you do this?

Gates was saying that it’s a difficult ask of the economy and people to say “keep going to restaurants, go buy new houses, ignore that pile of bodies over in the corner.”

jfpersona1
jfpersona1
4 years ago
Reply to  Jackula

As just stated by rob, this is disengenuous to the extreme. The context was that Gates was against the possible decision to move prematurely back to ‘economic life as usual’.

And the fact that you present it as if it was the opposite just makes you a jackass (huh…how apt, given your screen name).

Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  jfpersona1

Gates was all-in that we must be conscious of, and prepare for the worst from pandemics long before SARS-Cov2 ever came to infect humans. See his TED talk from a couple years ago.

Jackula
Jackula
4 years ago
Reply to  Jackula

Please…I was not attempting to reverse the intent of what he said…anyone with half a brain would understand that from reading this.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer
4 years ago

Whether you like Trump or not, you must admit there is some irony in seeing him try to choose the economy over a virus that may wipe out the economy. Trump believes we can grow our way out of anything. Ironically so does the virus.

Stuki
Stuki
4 years ago

If you’re going to cling to that position; it sure helps, is essential even; to not have even the remotest clue what economic growth means in the first place.

Kind of like how belief that the tooth fairy will make everything OK, really benefits from not having the faintest clue that the tooth fairy doesn’t really exist.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer
4 years ago
Reply to  Stuki

Agree with you. Economy was slowing before covid. We were likely heading into a recession in 2020 but a short and shallow one. Covid has given cover for companies to start axing people and restructuring to start. Of course no one will ever say that now. If we dont get back to 3% unemployment after this crisis then you will know the economy was a sham before covid. Most here know it was.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer
4 years ago

The irony of it is coronavirus is just gonna coronavirus. It has no political feelings. This is like a tsunami. You dont quite believe it until it happens. Areas that saw the first cases are now reporting 50% of their hospital patients may actually have been coronavirus all along.

Tengen
Tengen
4 years ago

Yep, and at 10K cases per day this story will have legs for a while, regardless of how various talking heads feel about it.

Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago

The irony is that if the means to slow it down or stop it are successful some will say it was all unnecessary, it was just the flu!

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer
4 years ago
Reply to  Scooot

Yes. Those would be the numskulls.

Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  Scooot

Of course that’s true. Yet, I’d rather let them gloat “see, I was right! It wasn’t that bad.” than to see millions dead and have them say “oh, gee, I guess I was wrong”.

Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R

Yes I compete agree.

Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  Scooot

Can’t edit
: completely agree.

MSCowboy
MSCowboy
4 years ago

Unemployment amendment fails, bill passes 96-0. House goes into session tonight/tomorrow, pass w/simple voice vote. POTUS signs.

AshH
AshH
4 years ago

You can add Idaho to the list as of today.

wootendw
wootendw
4 years ago

“Republican governors are doing what they believe is in their best interests.”

Political interests. They’re afraid to do nothing – usually the best government policy – and get blamed politically if it’s really bad.

And, some virologists around the world are voicing a different opinion:

QE2Infinity
QE2Infinity
4 years ago
Reply to  wootendw

Eventually we will know the truth. But I think most people feel they want to err on the side of caution. Even though I’m a little skeptical, the thought of gasping for breath for 2 weeks makes me reticent to touch any public surfaces or, if so, I’ll be washing my hands soon after.

wootendw
wootendw
4 years ago
Reply to  QE2Infinity

“…err on the side of caution…”

Wise, but I’d be more cautious about shutting down numerous private companies with bills to pay and believing everything can be solved by spending $6 trillion.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer
4 years ago
Reply to  wootendw

The contrarian in me says that if those companies couldn’t survive for a few weeks without customers then they probably shouldn’t have been in business anyway. Coronavirus is going to make sure that only the strong survive.

QE2Infinity
QE2Infinity
4 years ago
Reply to  wootendw

I agree. Governments are using the crisis to exercise their totalitarian impulse. There is no confidence in the people to do the right thing (perhaps for good reason). However, there is too much confidence that the government will do the right thing.

Peaches11
Peaches11
4 years ago
Reply to  wootendw

For the CB’s to admit what their policies have achieved and where intended to, would at a very minimum result in a total loss of confidence.
They started to lose control of the system and now conveniently can do whatever it takes to keep pursuing their objective.
Transfer of wealth from the bottom 99% to the top 1%.

Ebowalker
Ebowalker
4 years ago

Seeing how it crashed the economy and that logic says until there is immunity or a vaccine this is going to keep happening….wouldn’t it make more sense to spend trillions on hospital equipment, medical salaries, etc?

Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago

Every time Pelosi does something stupid like trying to stuff arts crap into the relief bill, Trump makes some asinine statement that makes people forget Pelosi. I seriously think he’s trying to lose in November, and he wants the loss to be “HUGE”.

QE2Infinity
QE2Infinity
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R

Who in their right mind would want that job?

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R

People forget that 2016 wasn’t about Trump winning more than it was Hilary losing. Trump is a one-trick pony that is lucky his previous opponent and voters assumed the opponent would win.

Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago

For those who find the graphic at the top of the post to be tantalizing, but useless:

USA Today, of all people, have an article from yesterday that lists out the states and whether they have non-essential-biz, travel-restricts, nat-guard-activation, and gathering-limits.

Also,

Has a map with shelter-at-home status. For political junkies, they count 15 Dems, 7 Reps. I presume that’s out of 24/26 Dem/Rep. Of course, all of that is largely irrelevant, given that such orders are going to be dependent on the situation in-state.

Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish

Not surprisingly, the top ten states in terms of cases/1m population all have shelter at home status. Those are:
New York 1999/1m
New Jersey 773
Louisiana 496
Washington 422
Mass 350
Michigan 286
Conn 283
Vermont 255
Colorado 248
Illinois 200

Greggg
Greggg
4 years ago

Beaumont Hospital System here in SE Michigan has reached a point where they are deciding who gets treated and who does not. That’s from a nurse that works there. Rural hospitals are facing a drop in revenue and may not be able to stay open. link to bridgemi.com

Quatloo
Quatloo
4 years ago

This ignores the fact that the latest Gallup Poll shows people approving of Trump’s handling of the crisis 60% – 38%. Hey, I don’t understand it either, but it is reality.

QE2Infinity
QE2Infinity
4 years ago
Reply to  Quatloo

People generally rally to the Prez when the country is under attack. Thus his framing of the health issue in this way.

Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  QE2Infinity

Correct. People generally rally to the President when the country is in crisis, and then gradually go back after the crisis is over. 60% is remarkably low. I never remember a President being that low in a time of crisis. For example, Bush went to 90% approval after 9/11. It’s truly amazing, that Trump has managed to keep his approval down to only 60%.

kurtellis
kurtellis
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R

his approval has seen a slight bump of like 3%. it’s currently at 45%….. its going to go down down and down as this crisis drags on.

Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  kurtellis

Once the deaths spike up, all those “poof it will vanish” and “it’s a hoax” are going to bite him hard.

Escierto
Escierto
4 years ago
Reply to  Quatloo

Lots of Americans have a death wish apparently. The survivors will probably re-elect this moron in November.

Tengen
Tengen
4 years ago
Reply to  Quatloo

Wait, is today one of the days we’re supposed to believe in polls? The stance changes so frequently on this point that I have difficulty keeping track.

xilduq
xilduq
4 years ago

“the United States has done far more “testing” than any other nation”

trump’s assertion the US has done more (quote airquote) “testing” than any other nation is indisputable!

the only question is, what does he mean by “testing”?

Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  xilduq

I’m sure that by “testing” he means saying idiotic things to see how people react.

abend237-04
abend237-04
4 years ago

Come August, if we’re still shut down and waiting for the last medico and politician in the country to virtue signal their endless concern for the potential victims, we’ll be back to 1932.
Out of the rubble will come an army of Bernie Sanders and AOCs to save us.

What The Donald needs to be doing is forcing everyone’s nose into the risk line. I.e.,

At what point on a simple risk of death ratio line, zero through one hundred, would you personally sign off on restarting the economy? Zero is not on the line for any of us, as no one gets out alive.

lol
lol
4 years ago

Can’t blame Chump,Economy has been rotting away for close to a dozen years,now it’s really startin to stink up the place, It’s basically Germany circa 1945.

Greggg
Greggg
4 years ago
Reply to  lol

The rot started way before that. Most just measure it from August 1971, but there was that little thing that started it all in 1916 that made it all possible.

Presskh
Presskh
4 years ago
Reply to  lol

The rot really started with Clinton’s NAFTA and was put on steroids through Bush and Obama. Trump has, at least, tried to bring jobs back to this country.

Phantastic
Phantastic
4 years ago

How is it not Democrat vs Republican issue; Trump is a Republican and so are the vast majority of the lunatics arguing for business as usual.

Phantastic
Phantastic
4 years ago
Reply to  Phantastic

If any of you Republicans are ready to disown him speak up… I’m seeing his near 50% approval rating and assuming you’re still a bunch of clowns.

Stuki
Stuki
4 years ago

You know you are completely, 100%, self obsessed to the point of insanity, when you think anyone, in the midst of a pandemic, gives even half a toot about your pathetic “election success.”

Take a hint, idiot: You are useless, worthless, expendable, and serve no greater purpose than a speck of dust. You are near infinitely less relevant to anything people care about, as you sit their stewing in your own ignorance and stupidity while spouting nonsense; than a speck of rna with a “hairstyle” not entirely dissimilar from yours….

Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  Stuki

Well, now, “half a toot”? A 1 minute look at, say, TownHall/RedState or HuffPost/DailyKos might tell you a different story.

QE2Infinity
QE2Infinity
4 years ago

If one starts from the point that all politicians are scoundrels, Trumps hardly seems that bad. He spent the first 3 years of his administration fending off the ridiculous Russia-gate story and then had to go through a, and forgive the pun, “trumped up” impeacement fiasco. Through it all, the media was there fanning the flames. In fact, the only time the media treated him with any consideration was when he was bombing Syria. They love when the US fights Israel’s fights. Thus, if the man is a little paranoid it’s not that surprising.

But why get so angry and raise such a fuss over it. I’m much more disturbed by the huge spending bill and what the Fed is doing. Trump’s blustering hardly seem worth the effort.

Ted R
Ted R
4 years ago
Reply to  QE2Infinity

Great post.

QE2Infinity
QE2Infinity
4 years ago
Reply to  Ted R

Thank!

themonosynaptic
themonosynaptic
4 years ago
Reply to  QE2Infinity

Yeah, but in the real world (you know, the one Mish is trying to make you see because it is important right now) Russia did interfere with the elections, and there was a quid-pro-quo and plenty of guilt to go around the whole administration.

Tengen
Tengen
4 years ago
Reply to  QE2Infinity

Trump wasn’t supposed to be another “politician”. He was the outsider who would drain the swamp and end the wars. Then a whole cottage industry sprang up where Q-tards would proclaim his every utterance genius and there would be perp walks for all establishment deep state types. The 4D chess crowd infested every site I visit, including this one for a while.

After all this aggressive PR, shrugging at Trump and saying who cares that he’s another lying politician seems incredibly disingenuous. If I had to slog through umpteen thousand comments proclaiming Trump the greatest POTUS ever (by far!) then I’m sure Mish and tons of other people did too. Forgive us for asking what all the hype was about!

QE2Infinity
QE2Infinity
4 years ago
Reply to  Tengen

I personally liked Trump the candidate much more than Trump the President. If he had stopped all the wars, pulled back much of the Americal empire, and more aggressively stopped the looting of the American economy by the globalists, I would be an enthusiast supporter. Who can forget the “deer in the headlight moment for Jeb Bush” during the South Carolina debate! That wins you some points!

That said, his major achievement is exposing the tremendous propaganda of the news media and the rampant corruption of our government (especially the Intel community). Anyone who studies this knows the CIA was into drug smuggling long before Iran Contra and that Pulitzer prize winning journalist for the New York Time Walter Dauranty was a Stalin apologist. Thus there is nothing new in the corruption of the media or deep state, rather it just that a sizable portion of the population now knows. Thus, the blow hard has done some good and why I feel a little compelled to stick up for our braggadocio President.

Tengen
Tengen
4 years ago
Reply to  QE2Infinity

I would argue the opposite, that Trump has actually dulled the public’s perception of corruption. Trump is a salesman above all and he’s selling the idea that one guy can waltz into DC and fix everything, which is not only preposterous, but disingenuous. The country and QE-based economy are in terrible shape, but that makes us sad, so instead we prefer to believe in an orange guy riding in on a white horse to save the day. Rather than coming to our senses, we’ve retreated into fantasy as a country.

The reason I dislike Trump is his biggest whopper from the campaign trail when he railed about the “big, fat, ugly bubble”. He knew the Fed was printing to oblivion, but once he entered office he not only supported this, but constantly exhorted the Fed to cut rates further. That makes him not just a liar, but a malicious one. We could have elected Hillary or anyone else to go down this same path.

Tengen
Tengen
4 years ago
Reply to  QE2Infinity

I notice these posts are getting some likes, so I’d encourage people to jump into this debate. I think I can easily demonstrate that Trump’s supposed strengths are illusory after 3.5 years of data, so come on in everybody, the water’s great!

I’ll even maintain proper social distancing etiquette so that everyone feels comfortable!

QE2Infinity
QE2Infinity
4 years ago
Reply to  Tengen

Yes Tegen, Trump did rail against the Fed and QE during the campaign: which is why I prefer candidate Trump to President Trump. Does that make him a liar or just a politician? I’d argue all good politician are good liars.

Yes some people place too much faith in government or a politician. However, we are at the end of a 60 year super-cycle in debt. The country is broke, we have shipped our manufacturing prowess to China, and our supposed leaders are scrambling to get theirs ($) before the whole thing collapses.

If hating Trump makes you happy, more power to you. However, the problems are much more prolific and deeply embedded. But tough times have a cleansing effect, and they are a coming.

Tengen
Tengen
4 years ago
Reply to  QE2Infinity

If you understood my point, you’d know that hating Trump accomplishes nothing, just like supporting him accomplishes nothing. He’s another torchbearer on our path to monetary hell, and an enthusiastic one at that.

That’s why this undeserved affinity for him is misplaced. If you really liked candidate Trump, you’d have far more disdain for POTUS Trump.

LarryK
LarryK
4 years ago
Reply to  Tengen

Say what you will about him……he is still a bull in the china shop. The way he speaks his mind and rips the media and swamp creatures is priceless.

tokidoki
tokidoki
4 years ago

It’s here. This is for a single hospital.

Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  tokidoki

It’s a hoax. People just want to shut down the economy. But we’ll fix that by printing 2 Trillion dollars.

tokidoki
tokidoki
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R

Wrong. It’s not 2 trillion dollars. That’s only the first tranche. Total bailout cost is 6.7 trillion or that’s the number that’s been bandied about.

Got Gold?

daveyp
daveyp
4 years ago

SE Asian countries who are the best in the world at this are reporting data that unequivocally proves that virus recirculates as soon as measures are relaxed, just as epidemiologists have been saying all along would happen. The world is going to take a very, very long time to get back to full economic output. Way over 12 months

QE2Infinity
QE2Infinity
4 years ago

Well if it ever comes to gathering our pitchforks and heading to DC, there will be plenty of culpable politicians to string up on both sides of the aisle. (Disclaimer: this is just a fanciful diatribe, no threat to anyone is intended)

Ted R
Ted R
4 years ago
Reply to  QE2Infinity

You make perfect sense. Plenty of blame to go around. Just look at all the crap the democrats have injected into the so called ‘bailout bill’. Talk about politics and pork rolled into one.

Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago

The Chinese, Iranians, and Italians killed thousands of their people to support the American media’s fake news campaign to monkey wrench the trump train. The new Axis of Evil has been identified. Time to smite the evildoers!

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