How Many More Ridiculous Green Energy Projects Will Fail?

The answer is all of them, in due time. Here are the latest spectacular failures.

Birds Fry Every Two Minutes

It took 10 years, and hundreds-of-thousands of dead birds, before the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System in California would meet its fate.

The Wall Street Journal explains in ‘A Prolific Executioner of Wildlife’

An Obama-era monument to green delusions finally faces extinction.

Longtime readers may recall a 2014 Journal editorial about California’s “bird-fryer” solar plant, a taxpayer-backed venture that was hell on local animals. Turns out it was also hell on electricity ratepayers. But as with so many politically favored green ventures, waiting for official acknowledgment of failure can feel like an eternity.

Now finally here in 2025 it seems the reckoning has begun. The Las Vegas Review-Journal notes in an editorial that “a major California utility —  Pacific Gas & Electric — announced that it will no longer buy power from the Ivanpah solar plant off Interstate 15 near the Nevada-California border. As a result, two of the plant’s three towers will shut down next year — and the third will probably follow.”

The plant might have functioned merely as the world’s most expensive backyard bug zapper. But it was just too lethal. The Review-Journal’s Emerson Drewes reported last month:

Federal wildlife officials said Ivanpah might act as a “mega-trap” for wildlife, with the bright light of the plant attracting insects, which in turn attract insect-eating birds that fly to their deaths in the intensely focused light rays.

So many birds have been victims of the plant’s concentrated sun rays that workers referred to them as “streamers,” for the smoke plume that comes from birds that ignite in midair. When federal wildlife investigators visited the plant around 10 years ago, they reported an average of one “streamer” every two minutes.

Performance has proven so poor that PG&E has exercised its right to terminate the contract, about which negotiations have been completed; there is no doubt that towers 1 and 3 will cease operations within roughly a year. And it appears to be the case that Edison too wants out: “the utility is in ‘ongoing discussions’ with the project’s owners and the federal government over ending the utility’s contract.”

Calculating the Number of Dead Birds

There are 525,600 minutes in a year.

At one fried bird every two minutes, assuming sunshine 50 percent of the time (more in summer and less in winter), that’s 525,600 / 4 or roughly 131,400 dear birds per year.

Over 10 years that would be 1.31 million dead birds. Ouch!

That may be the high side, perhaps even low side. However, it’s clear that hundreds of thousands of birds were killed in this boondoggle that was never profitable even with subsidies.

New Jersey Reaps the Wind, Again

It’s not just solar. Also note that Shell just backed out of a wind-energy project despite huge subsidies.

Please note New Jersey Reaps the Wind, Again

Another offshore wind development stalled this week off the Jersey shore, making it the latest of three such projects to fail despite generous terms from the state. Energy giant Shell wrote off its 50% stake in Atlantic Shores, choosing to take a $1 billion impairment instead of complete the 2,800 megawatt wind farm. New Jersey’s Board of Public Utilities canceled its request for a wind-energy provider, leaving the unfinished project with no prospective customer.

Ratepayers can rejoice. Atlantic Shores would have charged about three times the market price for the power it generated, according to a review by Whitestrand Consulting. That would have raised electricity rates by 11% for residents and 13% to 15% for businesses, forcing them to overpay by $48 billion over the wind farm’s lifetime.

Gov. Murphy has treated renewable energy as a sacred cause no matter the costs since 2018. That includes a bill he signed to let Ørsted pocket federal credits it had promised to pass on to customers, though he clawed money back when the projects died.

Mr. Murphy says he approves of the utility bureau’s decision not to seek a new wind provider, but he still hasn’t given up his green dreams, calling offshore wind a “once-in-a-generation opportunity.” A once-in-a-generation failure is more accurate.

A Mountain of Unrecyclable Waste

The Institute for Energy Research notes Broken Windmill Blade Closes Nantucket Beaches

This story is from July 2024, but it contains pertinent details.

A massive wind turbine blade shattered offshore Massachusetts causing extensive debris, which shut down beaches on Nantucket Island and caused serious concern to fishermen, who worried that the debris could damage their boats. The failure of the massive blade and the resulting debris caused the federal Bureau of Safety and Environmental Enforcement to suspend operations at Vineyard Wind until it could be determined whether the “blade failure” impacts other turbine blades on the development of the offshore wind farm. Power production has been suspended and installation of new wind turbine construction is on hold. And as more green energy trash washes ashore the local town is considering litigation. The facility’s massive wind turbines began sending electricity to the grid this past winter.

A GE Vernova turbine blade failed at the U.K.’s massive Dogger Bank offshore wind installation this spring, and another broke several blades in Germany last fall, which brought the number of broken GE blades at the Alfstedt-Ebersdorf wind farm in Lower Saxony to three. The first blade had broken off the previous year at one of the wind farm’s eight GE 5.3-158 turbines.

On June 28, America Electric Power (AEP) filed suit against GE Vernova in New York court over quality and warranty concerns, claiming widespread issues with the turbines it has deployed at three wind projects in Oklahoma. It is alleging that “within only two to three years of commercial operation, the GE wind turbine generators have exhibited numerous material defects on major components and experienced several complete failures, at least one turbine blade liberation event, and other deficiencies.”

GE Vernova is not the only wind turbine maker facing losses. Last year, Germany’s Siemens Energy, announced it would take a loss on its wind business due to quality problems with its wind turbines. Siemens Energy announced that quality problems at its wind turbine unit would take years to fix, wiping over a third off its market value and dealing a blow to one of the world’s biggest suppliers of wind turbines.

Massive Wind Graveyards

Wind turbine blades are made from fiberglass, or fiber reinforced plastic, and cannot be recycled. The Biden-Harris administration has not indicated what or who it expects to deal with the mountain of waste that will result when thousands of turbine blades reach the end of their useful lives in 20 to 25 years, or in many cases less. In fact, wind blades are piling up in Texas and Iowa without proper disposal. Massive wind graveyards, for example, have popped up on the outskirts of Sweetwater, Texas. The pile of wind blades covers more than thirty acres, in stacks rising as high as basketball backboards.

How Many Birds are Killed by Wind Turbines?

The American Bird Conservancy estimates approximately 538,000 wind turbine-caused bird deaths occur in the U.S. each year.

Raptors like Golden Eagles and nighttime migratory songbirds are particularly vulnerable. 

That estimate is from 2021. So double or triple it. But skeptics point out cats kill 2.4 billion birds a year. And 200 million birds are allegedly killed by automobiles each year.

Have cats killed any golden eagles?

Economic Reality

Let’s return to economic reality.

None of these projects are profitable, even with subsidies. That’s why they fail.

Meanwhile, consumers face monstrous hikes in energy bills to pay for these boondoggles as mounds of unrecyclable garbage piles up in massive wind graveyards.

Related Posts

August 19, 2020: Green Energy Failed Leaving Millions in California Blackout

Electrical companies imposed rolling blackouts for the first time since 2001. Inability to meet the surge in demand is due to a shift from natural gas.

September 5, 2023: Biden’s Green Energy Inflation Reduction Act Needs a Big Bailout Already

Surprise, surprise. Subsidies were not enough to make Biden’s energy projects profitable.

May 21, 2024: Hoot of the Day: No One Wants Green Energy if It’s Too Cheap

Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen wants the EU to hike tariffs on China just as the US did.

August 10, 2024: Another Green Energy Company Declares Bankruptcy, Thank Biden’s Tariffs

Conflicting goals often leads to the worst of both outcomes. That’s what’s happening with solar panels and EVs.

Finally please consider The Futility of Wind and Solar Power in One Easy to Understand Picture

How do we get green energy from here to there and at what cost?

Let’s return to the lead question. Q: How Many More Ridiculous Green Energy Projects Will Fail?

A: All of them, unfortunately not fast enough. And none of them should have been approved in the first place.

Addendum

One reader commented, “Onshore wind is cheap and kills a tiny amount of birds. To me it is an important part of future energy mix.”

I replied … If wind was cheap, without subsidies, then we would have more of it.

That we don’t, even with subsidies, is telling.

And if government would stop investing in losers, with subsidies, and just stay out of it, we would likely be further along with solutions.

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JonL
JonL
10 months ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

Mish, I am not sure that is true. Yes there will be places where the wind stats make it uneconomic. However in the UK the economics do work out. In addition, there are factors such as energy security (which the UK suffers from and the US doesn’t) that make diversification necessary. Maybe it doesn’t make sense anywhere in the US.

I’m not going to defend subsidies based on green politics. However, I do defend them for overcoming the capital hump that new builds need. The counter argument is that they should be in the same boat as any commercial investmen. However energy has a bad habit of being dicked about with by politics. The latest being a mild spike in US Natural Gas prices last week due to the Canada nonsense.

notaname
notaname
10 months ago
Reply to  JonL

If this: “However, I do defend them for overcoming the capital hump that new builds need.”
Then: you’re letting politicians pick winners/losers which is more influenced by campaign contributions than science of RoI.

Tenacious D
Tenacious D
10 months ago
Reply to  JonL

Baghdad Bob enters the chat.

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

Onshore wind (without subsidies) is one of the cheapest sources of electricity. Here are some LCOE figures.

https://cleantechnica.com/2024/06/25/lcoe-of-solar-wind-still-super-cheap-new-lazard-report/#gallery_1

notaname
notaname
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

LCOE is interesting. Good to see a discount rate included.

Let freedom reign and private equity can build all the offshore they want (until greenpeace wants the whales saved).

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  notaname

Offshore wind is not as competitive at this time. Onshore wind is very competitive.

I expect natural gas to lead the expansion of electricity generation in the US going forward. It is the lowest cost, and easiest to build. And we have a lot of inexpensive natural gas.

Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Look at a wind map of wind flows: eg windy.com. Where’s the wind?

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

That’s the same PR website that insists EVs are awesome hahaha

jerry
jerry
10 months ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

we are from the government and we are here to help with your electricity bills
with subsidies, some most dangerous words in the english language

hmk
hmk
10 months ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

If the unnecessay death of wildlife, ie birds don’t matter why is there such enviromental outrage over this when other projects are in the planning stages. There are suits by all types of enviromental groups in these matters trying to halt construction of these (non green ) projects.

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
10 months ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

Facts have no impact no stupidity

arrow
arrow
7 months ago

“within only two to three years of commercial operation, the GE wind turbine generators have exhibited numerous material defects on major components and experienced several complete failures, at least one turbine blade liberation event, and other deficiencies.”

Hahaha… turbine blade liberation event… I’ll save that one.

Doly Garcia
Doly Garcia
10 months ago

Oh, so suddenly you care deeply about birds? And whales, as well, I gather?

The very same people that hate their own fellow Americans so thoroughly that they would hold a political rally in the middle of a deadly pandemic and allow misinformation about a deadly virus left, right and center, you care deeply about birds?

Let me tell you what you really, really care about: you care about your habit of lying. Feeding it all the time, that is. You care about mainlining Internet likes in the full knowledge that your habit is deadly to others. You care about making money in the full knowledge that people starve in your own country for no reason. You care about manufacturing weapons in the full knowledge that they will be used to kill people in foreign countries that made no other mistake that believing your lies.

It may be true that America can remain evil for longer than other countries can stay sane, but never, never will I believe that the American government will ever give a flying F about birds, no matter what you say. You are too busy hating humanity to ever care about an animal.

Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
10 months ago

But wait! There’s a Constitution that says ….. blah blah blah, The legal process must be followed. Congress must agree,… Have hearings. Hire consultants. Study the issues…So more and more projects are built.

Maybe in 5 years. Or 10, or never.

BTW, did Congress ever vote to install DEI?

Sue Birnbaum
Sue Birnbaum
10 months ago

I reported on the discontinuing of the two towers on my latest post on my website Explorumentary – New York Mountain – 7,464′ – Mojave National Preserve. You can see this eyesore from the summit of New York Mountain, and I’m sure many others in this preserve. The “environmentalists” killed thousands of birds and many desert tortoises. Hubris leads to failure.

Old Jarhead
Old Jarhead
10 months ago

How many leftist watermelons are killed by terminal stupidity every year?

Ben
Ben
10 months ago

Solar panels have made this plant to expensive to be profitable. Wind power requires to much space and also takes down wildlife and is horrible to look at.

Peace
Peace
10 months ago

What EU has to do?
Following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, Europe has significantly accelerated its shift towards green energy, rapidly decreasing its reliance on Russian oil and gas by investing heavily in renewable sources like wind and solar power, primarily through the “REPowerEU” plan, aiming to diversify energy imports and reduce dependence on Russian fossil fuels by increasing domestic renewable energy production. 

JayW
JayW
10 months ago

Hopefully a lot, except SMRs. My Oklo investment is up almost 140% in 2 months.

Actually, I sincerely hope America continues to add to its 50 GW solar panel manufacturing as well as battery storage to help us quickly transition away from oil without ruining our economy with mandates. Not a huge fan of wind power. Nuclear is the future, and I hope Helion Energy meets it target to start selling Microsoft data center fusion-based power in about 3 years.

HubrisEveryWhereOnline
HubrisEveryWhereOnline
10 months ago

I’m glad your blogpost ended with a short explanation of the “economic reality” which is – you hate these renewable (and other?) subsidies. Got it.

But IMO, your extensive lead-in for the “spectacular failures” of these “green energy” projects is quite weak. ALL energy use has negative by-products. EVERY SINGLE ONE. So the discussion needs to be about which have the best efficiency/costs/negative byproducts trade-off. And the latter is what the market does NOT deal with, thus the economic theoretical need/use of taxes and/or subsidies.

100K+ dead birds in a year? Trash on a Nantucket beach? 30 whole acres of fiberglass junk? Oh my!

What about the death and destruction of possible nuclear meltdowns (remember Japan)? Of the water and soil devastation from oil spills (not to mention the breathing in of chemicals from gasoline combustion of auto exhaust pipes)? Of the wrecking of good water supplies from chemical fracking of natural gas drilling and deaths and property destruction from occasional pipeline explosions? And the storing of (collapsible) coal slurry ponds plus the explicit early deaths and life degradation from coal-burning particulate matter: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coal-power-kills-a-staggering-number-of-americans/?

Certainly not an easy solution for an economy as big as the US. But I don’t think you’re convincing many people with the use of these particular “spectacular failure” examples.

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
10 months ago

Scott Craig Leboo beats ME and MPO45 with negative votes.

Kevin
Kevin
10 months ago

Las Vegas gets 312 days of sunshine per year and an average of 12 hours of daylight each day. So there are 312 (d/yr))*12(hr/d)*30(birds/hr) or 112,320 birds killed per year. I don’t know how often the plant is down for maintenance but that would be in the birds (and the ratepayer’s favor).

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  Kevin

Between 500 million and one billion birds are killed each year in the US. The number one reason is buildings.

https://research.fs.usda.gov/treesearch/32103#:~:text=We%20estimate%20that%20from%20500,and%20Golden%20Eagle%20Protection%20Act.

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
10 months ago

Solel, an Israeli firm, built the Mojavi desert solar system. Between 11AM
and 4PM, when rates are high, other energy systems are cast aside. At night, when rates are low, they provide energy to CA. The redundancy killed CA. EV charging at night didn’t save the state. CA is a liberal state. In the afternoon it suffers from aneurysm. Life expectancy of aneurysm patients is 5Y.

Last edited 10 months ago by Michael Engel
Bill Meyer
Bill Meyer
10 months ago

Funny how “sustaaaaaaaainability” (delivered with insipid tone) in the Gang Green world NEVER includes financial sustainability.

Patrick
Patrick
10 months ago
Reply to  Bill Meyer

Sure. Just keep taxing the normies.

notaname
notaname
10 months ago

Insects outweigh and out consume humans … yes, all forms of life affect rock #3 (BTW, it’s not anyone’s mother).

https://www.iflscience.com/if-insects-joined-forces-they-d-weigh-more-than-all-humans-and-livestock-67420

PS – stop using the left’s langue:

  • stop with “mother earth”; or even “earth”; it’s rock #3;
  • stop with “fossil fuel” it’s hydro-carbons from high pressure inside the rock.
PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  notaname

Here. Let me help you. Before you say something even more stupid.

https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Oil_formation

You’re welcome.

notaname
notaname
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

ok, here’s a counter point:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin

Either way, organic or non-organic, oil is not from “fossils” like dinosaurs or trees so fossil is a political word meant to bamboozle the public.

Hydrocarbon is the proper term.

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  notaname

Oh stop. That’s just nonsense.

Is abiogenic oil possible? Yes.

Is there any evidence that shows it happening in any meaningful quantity? No.

How do we know oil is fossil based?

The chemical makeup of oil contains specific organic compounds called biomarkers which closely resemble the molecules found in ancient plants and animals, providing a strong link to biological origins.

Oil deposits are typically found in sedimentary rock formations, which are known to accumulate organic matter from decomposed organisms over time.

Studying the ratios of different isotopes within oil molecules further supports the biogenic origin, as certain isotope patterns are characteristic of organic matter.

How do we know that oil is NOT abiogenic?

While some theories propose abiogenic oil formation through deep-seated chemical reactions, the exact mechanisms are not well understood and lack concrete evidence.

Experiments attempting to produce significant amounts of oil abiogenically have not been successful.

Oil deposits are often found near source rocks containing organic matter, which further strengthens the biogenic argument. Not abiogenic.

Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
10 months ago
Reply to  notaname

Thanks for bringing this up. Most people have no idea there are alternate theories.

Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

But where did all the carbon come from in the first place? Your link notes…the importance of the Mesozoic age. It “was marked by a tropical climate

Now, we have a far colder planet, and we worry about a few degrees of global warming

JJK3
JJK3
10 months ago

The Green scammers say there are too many humans to sustain the planet. Maybe this was their way of proving to the rest of us that there are too many of them.

Don C.
Don C.
10 months ago

My veterinarian says those birds all died from a variant of the bird flu. That they were in the air-fryer portion of the solar arrays was merely circumstantial. That they were subject to a rain of barbeque sauce was likewise happenstance. At $3/lb, that sounds like a good side gig for PG&E.

robbyrob Im back!
robbyrob Im back!
10 months ago

This isn’t the tax reform you’re looking for
So don’t complain. At some point the US needs a deep tax and spending reform, to raise revenue while broadening the base, improving incentives for economic growth, and solving the long term budget problem. This isn’t it. This isn’t supposed to be it. The President made campaign promises on taxes. Appropriately for the first month in office, these proposals fulfill campaign promises. https://www.grumpy-economist.com/p/tax-talk?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=2178684&post_id=156737581&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=3o9&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

notaname
notaname
10 months ago

Vaporized birds …
Reminds me of good, old, sci-fi …

The Gun Without A Bang by Robert Sheckley

Maximus Minimus
Maximus Minimus
10 months ago

But skeptics point out cats kill 2.4 billion birds a year.”
On which planet?
Fact checked. Is this how statistics are made?

Kevin
Kevin
10 months ago

The birds that cats kill are usually common urban/suburban species that are not threatened.

David Olson
David Olson
10 months ago

Not long ago I read of the death of the man who popularized that concept that “the purpose of something is what it does”. Down-to-Earth Greens will tell you that the solution to fossil-fuel caused climate change and the rest of human caused pollution is not green energy – see the opposition to most hydropower. The solution is to not use energy, a return to life more than 300 years ago. (They would love to see a world population as low or lower than 300 years ago, too.) Humanity choosing to live lives of voluntary simplicity, asceticism, minimizing their footprint on the planet.
— Their answer to the sun doesn’t shine all the time problem is to point to the proverb “Make hay while the sun shines.” When it doesn’t it is time to go to bed or do other things that don’t require the sun.
— They will nod to the socialists to favor the “inherent virtue is the equally sharing of misery” (W. Churchill), although intending to elevate GDP to just enough for an equal sharing of adequacy.

Money we waste on green energy might work. But more importantly, it is money that can’t be other-used to indulge ourselves or pollute the planet. The purpose of something is what it does.

Some comments bring up interesting topics involving recent news out of South Africa. But since Mish’s article is about green energy, not South Africa, I will write nothing about it here.

BJTalks
BJTalks
10 months ago

So working with Environmental Assessments we would discuss this very issue more than 10 years ago. Reading the many articles about bird and butterfly species that have become rare over the last 10 years, always blaming global warming, its no wonder. Many of us knew about this issue. The Audubon Society supports green energy, so I dropped my membership. You obviously have to drink the BLUE KoolAid to become a member of today’s environmental and scientific groups that support green at all costs to the environment.

MarkinSanDiego
MarkinSanDiego
10 months ago

We live in San Diego and drive to Las Vegas three times a year – we saw them build it, and now will see the tear down. The other secret – they used Natural Gas to get the entire thing started each morning. They had to pre-heat the water for turbines with gas!! LOL – if they had just built a NatGas plant in the first place it would still be working.

Nonplused
Nonplused
10 months ago

“Green” was just another boondoggle.

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
10 months ago

China is 40% of the global industry. To keep their people working they flipped from RE to EV. Cars are expensive cost centers doing nothing most of the day. Trump raised tariffs to deflate China. They might lower prices, absorbing losses, in order to keep their people working, but Trump will hit again and again. Trump, Modi and Putin vs Xi is better than Biden vs Putin and China.

Last edited 10 months ago by Michael Engel
Six000MileYear
Six000MileYear
10 months ago

Another McNamara (Vietnam era reference) solution, “We have to heat the Earth to prevent the polar caps from melting.”

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago

There are always failures in any industry. This is just another example of that. A technology that tried and failed. It has lost out to better technologies that provide more energy for less money.

Sadly, we have already lost this technology battle to China. They are the world leader in solar, wind, battery, EV, high speed electric trains, rare earths, electronics etc. And they still dominate in steel, cement, textiles, manufacturing etc.

Now we need Trump to increase tariffs on all these things in order to spur low cost, highly competitive US production for all these items.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

I’m happy we are losing that tech battle to China. I WANT them to perfect it by trial / error / cost in their country.

Then we can just go directly to the winning solution with absolutely no downside on our end since it’s trivial to steal / reverse engineer technology (they clearly do it to us).

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

An interesting point of view.

But it’s not just about reverse engineering a technology. China has developed an entire supply chain for this industry, including rare earths and every other component needed. They have an incredibly efficient and low cost supply chain. And world class manufacturing.

Even if we could manufacture these things in the US, we don’t have the same supply chain efficiencies, or access to all these components. Which puts us at a competitive disadvantage.

In addition, China is installing more of this technology each year than we have in total. So they are pushing far ahead of us while we sit on our butts and try to throw grenades into the global supply chain that we will eventually need.

Patrick
Patrick
10 months ago

1) No Bird Flu for Ivanpah!
2) Can’t DoD use this thing as a weapon? If you can fry birds you can fry drones
3) With enough Big Gay exports along with castration of children and universal abortions, populations will fall and we won’t need all this green energy stuff
4) If populations don’t fall and we’ve decimated hydrocarbon usage thereby damaging food supply and distribution, there’s always the Soylent Green approach.
5) Please don’t look at any long term charts of our changing atmospheric temperatures.

Strange Bedfellow
Strange Bedfellow
10 months ago
Reply to  Patrick

“We are all in this together.”
“Soylent Green is people.”

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Michael Engel
Michael Engel
10 months ago

All the bad new is building a cause to send SPX to the 6K area and for IWM
to break out > Nov 2021 high.

Bruce
Bruce
10 months ago

So, we should stop all innovation? Why should we spend money on new drugs since they fail so much? Keep burning coal, since we shouldn’t try to invent new, better ideas? Things fail, we learn, we fail again, but just maybe something better is found.

Or we could just stick with what we have and hope it gets better.

notaname
notaname
10 months ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

As with many people, esp part of the govt, Bruce is measuring innovation by the dollar spent.
Not wise.

Sentient
Sentient
10 months ago
Reply to  Bruce

Windmills were an innovation – in the 15th century.

Patrick
Patrick
10 months ago
Reply to  Sentient

Wooden shoes were big sellers back then.

JonL
JonL
10 months ago

I don’t consider myself “green” and definitely don’t think we have a climate emergency.

However pictures of thin polar bears from climate activists totally misrepresenting the real state of polar bear populations and this mock-concern for birds from anti-green sources are equally nonsense.

Mish, sorry this is another increasinginly common amplification of a non story.

Onshore wind is cheap and kills a tiny amount of birds. To me it is an important part of future energy mix.

Avery2
Avery2
10 months ago

These boondoggles and monstrosities will end when the subsidies run out and / or the insurance companies back away from the table.

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  Avery2

Nope. Take away all subsidies for all forms of generation. Solar, wind and natural gas are the three cheapest ways to generate electricity.

Scott Craig LeBoo
Scott Craig LeBoo
10 months ago

Solar and wind are free. It would be dumb to ignore them as energy starting points. The oil, coal and gas industries have had over 100+ years to “perfect” their delivery systems. The renewables deserve at least 50+ years to figure out how to get it right. There is a lot of failure and a lot of waste before you find optimization. Alex Bell didnt invent the LED bulb — which is an almost perfect invention. Sometimes it just takes trial and failure.

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Brutus Admirer
Brutus Admirer
10 months ago

The refinement of the efficiency of energy from coal, oil, and gas developed without massive taxpayer subsidy. 30 years and hundreds of billions of dollars of politically allocated subsidy, and wind and solar are still unreliable, inefficient, and harmful to the environment.

Scott Craig LeBoo
Scott Craig LeBoo
10 months ago
Reply to  Brutus Admirer

I think people might differ on just how much government as a whole has helped the coal, oil and gas industries. Tax breaks are also what you would call “help.”

KGB
KGB
10 months ago

When government refrains from theft that is not help.

Strange Bedfellow
Strange Bedfellow
10 months ago
Reply to  KGB

“The most absurd apology for authority and law is that they serve to diminish crime. Aside from the fact that the State is itself the greatest criminal, breaking every written and natural law, stealing in the form of taxes, killing in the form of war and capital punishment, it has come to an absolute standstill in coping with crime. It has failed utterly to destroy or even minimize the horrible scourge of its own creation.” ~ Emma Goldman

Anon1970
Anon1970
10 months ago

I think Pacific Gas & Electric has the highest electricity rates in the 48 states. I am paying about 45 cents per kwh. In cities that have utility users taxes as well, the rate can easily hit 50 cents per kwh.

Patrick
Patrick
10 months ago
Reply to  Anon1970

It would be nice if they could harness all the energy from the forest fires, especially the ones started by their power lines.

Scott Craig LeBoo
Scott Craig LeBoo
10 months ago
Reply to  Anon1970

And yet Cali has so much electricity generated from solar it exceeds the amount of electricity you even need for use in the state. This is called imbalance. Time fixes these problems. Now, I agree that solar doesnt work at night and wind doesnt work when its not windy. Again, trial and error and refinement. Nuclear covers the shortages.

TwinEagles
TwinEagles
10 months ago

So you keep saying it’s free, why are they charging so much for something that is free. Waiting for your answer Scott.

notaname
notaname
10 months ago

Are you saying the Capital Expense of Nuke plant is only used at night?
Not cost effective; aka Silly.

Same for any other thermal plant (Gas, Coal, wood) … need near 24/7 operation for cost-effectiveness (depreciation recovery).

Patrick
Patrick
10 months ago

All run on subsidies. Because the sky is falling!

Scott Craig LeBoo
Scott Craig LeBoo
10 months ago
Reply to  Patrick

……………… Yeah!!!!!!

notaname
notaname
10 months ago

Coal and oil are also free; just dig ’em up!

….don’t forget when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
10 months ago

Yes, the fuel is free but nothing else about it is.

Building costs
Maintenance costs
Waste disposal costs

Plus a large number of these projects also pay rent because they are on private land (especially in Texas, not sure about Cali but I bet its the same there). We know people in Texas with Windmills on their farm. Each windmill uses up 1 acre of land PLUS you have to allow the company 24×7 access to the land to service the things. That’s productive farm land out of service along with risks of 24×7 access to your lands so they price accordingly when renting the land.

Joe Poncakia
Joe Poncakia
10 months ago

Selling my GE Vernova first thing tomorrow. Their future liability for disposing of windmill blade failures is going to bankrupt them sooner or later.

Thanks for this information Mike.

Nezz
Nezz
10 months ago
Reply to  Joe Poncakia

Pretty sure scott leboo will wanna take those shares off your hands Joe.

Avery2
Avery2
10 months ago
Reply to  Joe Poncakia

The insurance companies are starting to put closure / post-closure exclusions on their policies, as if these places were already destined to become hazardous waste sites per some state AG dictate. Nobody wants to be left holding the bag when these places go bankrupt and / or physically deteriorated to obsolescence. Most solar panels are coated with PFAS, if that is a concern to the alternative energy crowd.

Last edited 10 months ago by Avery2
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
10 months ago

The green projects don’t work because of DEI but Trump’s about to fix that.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2025-02-09/no-thanks-white-south-africans-turn-down-trumps-immigration-offer

Trump on Friday signed an executive order to cut U.S. aid to South Africa, citing an expropriation act that President Cyril Ramaphosa signed last month aiming to redress land inequalities that stem from South Africa’s history of white supremacy.

The order provided for resettlement in the U.S. of “Afrikaners in South Africa who are victims of unjust racial discrimination” as refugees.

Afrikaners are mostly white descendants of early Dutch and French settlers, who own most of the country’s farmland.

I wonder if Trump will do the same for Palestinians? 

DEI is bad when it’s not for whites.

Joe Poncakia
Joe Poncakia
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

This is awesome news. Thanks for posting the article. Once again Trump proves himself to be the right man for the job. I’m sure Elon filled him in on how white South Africans are being murdered with impunity there with nowhere to hide. I welcome them with open arms. No to Palestinian refugees in the US. Let their Muslim brothers help them.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
10 months ago
Reply to  Joe Poncakia

You didn’t read the article, they are saying “no thanks” and would rather stay in South Africa although I’m sure a few will take him up on the offer.

Joe Poncakia
Joe Poncakia
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

I confess to not reading the article first. Despite what the article says, I have white South African neighbors that have been telling me what’s actually happening there. They are still in contact with friends there, both black and white. Farmers and there wives sleeping with guns within reach every night for fear of being murdered.

Patrick
Patrick
10 months ago
Reply to  Joe Poncakia

Sounds like Chicago.

Sentient
Sentient
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Whites in SA have gone from about 20% of the population to 10%, even as their absolute number has held constant. As that percentage falls further, they’ll eventually be desperate to leave. We’ve seen this movie before. It was called Rhodesia.

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
10 months ago
Reply to  Joe Poncakia

Bibi will keep 2 millions Palestinians in their Theresienstadt under the Nazi regime.

Last edited 10 months ago by Michael Engel
Nezz
Nezz
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

SA has been a riches to rags, whirlwind success story since 1994!
As evidenced by the massive number of US AA’s that have repatriated to their Motherland!
I want to visit as well but I’m waiting for amazon to ship my kevlar ensemble so I have a shot at surviving the roadside carjackers and “necklacing” festivities!
YeeHaaa!!

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

S. Africa and Hauge Karim Khan are partner.

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