Chicago Fed President Praises the “Benefits of Running the Economy Hot”

The Benefits of Running Hot

In a headline that seems like it could be from The Onion or the Babylon Bee, please consider Chicago Fed president Charles Evans On the Benefits of Running the Economy Hot

In his speech Evans frequently refers to “r*” defined as the “equilibrium (or natural) real interest rate, or the rate consistent with full employment of the economy’s productive resources”

Let’s now tune in to his thoughts. It was relatively lengthy speech by Evans. Here are the key snips.

It is an understatement to say that our current situation is complex: two years of Covid-19 distress; global supply chains in disarray; strong fiscal, monetary, and financial support; and 7-1/2 percent annual CPI inflation in the U.S.

But monetary policy is not the only game in town. Fiscal and regulatory policies will be crucial complementary tools in many cases—such as when aggregate demand is far too weak or financial excesses loom large. Importantly, these situations are more likely to arise in a low r* environment—when the proximity of the effective lower bound (ELB) reduces monetary policy capacity and investors’ views about potential returns may be at odds with the economy’s fundamentally lower average rate of return. 

My view is that as long as the U.S. and global economies are in a low r* world, nominal interest rates will remain low and we will experience episodes close to or at the ELB. Unless the FOMC is to jettison our responsibility to promote maximum employment and price stability, the financial stability burden should be primarily on financial regulators. 

Our present monetary policy setting is wrong-footed against the current, sharp increase in inflation. That is for sure. But the sources of these large relative price increases may be different from more typical cyclical inflation episodes. Furthermore, by my reading, underlying inflation appears to still be well anchored at levels consistent with the Fed’s average 2 percent objective, and so—unlike in the Volker and Greenspan eras—no extra monetary restraint is needed to bring trend inflation down. So I see our current policy situation as likely requiring less ultimate financial restrictiveness compared with past episodes and posing a smaller risk to the employment mandate than many times in the past.

As a monetary policymaker, I would cheer continued vibrancy for all segments of the labor market and hold off on potentially unnecessary policy restrictiveness until inflation began rising to levels that were incompatible with average 2 percent PCE inflation over time.

Indeed, as you can see from this chart [lead chart], we have been fighting this low inflation battle for nearly my entire tenure as Chicago Fed President. Even with the recent spike, the price level today is still 2-3/4 percent below a 2 percent trend line starting at 2007, when I got the job. It’s about 1-1/2 percent below a 2 percent trend line starting from 2012, when we formally adopted the 2 percent target. And this gap actually increased some during the “hot period” identified in the conference paper and shaded red on this chart.

This brings me to our current high inflation situation. Despite all the typical Evans dovishness I’ve just expounded, I agree the current stance of monetary policy is wrong-footed and needs substantial adjustment.

But how this plays out will be key for my monetary policy decision-making over the year. “Careful monitoring” will continue to be the watchwords.

Conclusion

So, to conclude, how should one come down on the question of whether running the economy hot is foolish—or when does it become foolish? Of course, the answer is it depends. It depends on how strong the relationship between growth and inflation is today, the dynamics of inflation expectations, the level of r*, and the associated proximity of the ELB. Or, if you don’t believe in Phillips curves, the question is largely moot because you aren’t going to worry about high employment generating inflation.

With regard to the policy situation today, I still see current inflation as largely being driven by unusual supply-side developments related to the Covid-19 shock. But inflation pressures clearly have widened in the broader economy to a degree that requires a substantial repositioning of monetary policy. What that repositioning ultimately will look like will depend a good deal on the same factors that enter the running-hot calculus.

Make Up for Past Insufficient Inflation

Case-Shiller Home Prices, data from Case-Shiller via St. Louis Fed, chart by Mish. 

It’s economic illiteracy to believe inflation is not running hot and has been for a long time.

Every person on the Fed is guilty of not understanding what inflation is. They are also all guilty of ignoring Fed-sponsored clear asset bubbles. 

The Fed dunderheads do not count housing, crypto mania, or obvious stock market bubbles in their definition of inflation.

The fact is, we are currently in one of the four biggest bubbles of all time, the other three being 1929, the DotCom bubble in 2000, and the housing bubble in 2007.

Buffett Indicator 

Buffett Indicator chart by Advisor Perspectives 

The Buffett Indicator is a valuation multiple used to assess how expensive or cheap the aggregate stock market is at a given point in time. It was proposed as a metric by investor Warren Buffett in 2001, who called it “probably the best single measure of where valuations stand at any given moment”, and its modern form compares the capitalization of the US Wilshire 5000 index to US GDP. It is widely followed by the financial media as a valuation measure for the US market in both its absolute, and detrended forms.

For more on the Buffett Indicator, please see Jill Mislinski’s excellent post Market Cap to GDP: January Buffett Valuation Indicator on Advisor Perspectives.

The current stock market bubble exceeds all of the others. The Fed’s QE and lose money is what fueled the bubble in 2000, 2007, and now.

Evans in effect is praising the benefits of bubbles, and he still wants the Fed to make up for alleged lack of inflation.   

Inflation Expectations

Evans mentions inflation expectations and the Phillips Curve, both totally discredited economic theories.

Fed research papers discredit both of them!

On October 1, 2021, I noted A Fed Economist Concludes the Widely Believed Inflations Expectations Theory is Nonsense

Well Anchored Nonsense

Please recall my August 31, 2020 post The Fed’s Stupidity is Still Well Anchored.

Former Fed chairs Janet Yellen and Ben Bernanke were both big Phillips Curve advocates despite the fact the theory never worked even according to Fed studies.

I commented: “The Phillips Curve isn’t dead, it was never alive to begin with.”

Amusing Fed Research Paper Comments

  • It is far, far better and much safer to have a firm anchor in nonsense than to put out on the troubled seas of thought. John Kenneth Galbraith (1958).
  • Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example. Mark Twain, The Tragedy of Pudd’nhead Wilson (1894)

Those comments are from the Fed’s own study on inflation expectations.

In Search of the Effective Lower Bound

Evans mentioned the Effective Lower Bound as well. 

ELB is the point at which lower interest rates no longer benefit the economy and cutting them further damages it. 

I discussed ELB on September 25, 2019, In Search of the Effective Lower Bound

There certainly is an ELB, and given the bubbles the Fed blew, I suggest we are below the ELB and have been for some time.

Why Two Percent?

The last three Fed presidents, Jerome Powell, Ben Bernanke, and Janet Yellen, have all been hell bent on achieving two percent inflation over time.

None of them have any idea what inflation is nor have any of them ever provided any rationale for two percent.

Evans is arguing for more than two percent still believing his own BS regarding the need to make up for lack of past inflation. 

Historical Perspective on CPI Deflations: How Damaging are They?

A Bank of International Settlements (BIS) study show routine price deflation is a benefit. Central banks have not caught on.

Please consider Historical Perspective on CPI Deflations: How Damaging are They?

Key BIS Findings 

  • Concerns about deflation – falling prices of goods and services – are rooted in the view that it is very costly. We test the historical link between output growth and deflation in a sample covering 140 years for up to 38 economies. The evidence suggests that this link is weak and derives largely from the Great Depression. But we find a stronger link between output growth and asset price deflations, particularly during postwar property price deflations. We fail to uncover evidence that high debt has so far raised the cost of goods and services price deflations, in so-called debt deflations. The most damaging interaction appears to be between property price deflations and private debt.
  • Deflation may actually boost output. Lower prices increase real incomes and wealth. And they may also make export goods more competitive.
  • Once we control for persistent asset price deflations and country-specific average changes in growth rates over the sample periods, persistent goods and services (CPI ) deflations do not appear to be linked in a statistically significant way with slower growth even in the interwar period. They are uniformly statistically insignificant except for the first post-peak year during the postwar era – where, however, deflation appears to usher in stronger output growth. By contrast, the link of both property and equity price deflations with output growth is always the expected one, and is consistently statistically significant.

The Fed is hellbent on producing damaging inflation.

In the real world deflation boosts output. Falling prices make things more affordable and improve standards of living. 

In one of the more accurate statements ever made by any Fed president, James Bullard, St. Louis Fed president recently stated “I think the inflation we are seeing is very bad for low and moderate-income households. Real wages are declining. People are unhappy. Consumer confidence is declining. This is not a good situation.”

Bullard is no hero. He failed to dissent in any recent Fed meetings. 

Asset Bubble Burst Coming

The Fed blew another enormous asset bubble, the biggest in history.

Payback is coming and the BIS described it well. The “link of both property and equity price deflations with output growth is always the expected one, and is consistently statistically significant.”

S&P 500 – What is the Pain Threshold for the Fed and Traders?

How big a stock market crash is coming? 

I discuss likely targets in S&P 500 – What is the Pain Threshold for the Fed and Traders?

Thank the Fed for the carnage that is about to happen. 

Finally, if you think the Fed is just following the markets, please think again. That’s not the case at all. 

For discussion please see my Fed Uncertainty Principle

But it’s not just the Fed, fiscal stimulus and unproductive debt from decades of overspending by Congress is also to blame.

Your best defense against this insanity is to buy gold.

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david halte
david halte
2 years ago
From Evans’ wiki; In December 2012, the Federal Open Market Committee decided to change its broad forward guidance to a more explicit rule. The Evans Rule, a version which had been advocated by Charles Evans for many months, stated that the Committee will hold rates near zero at least until unemployment falls below 6.5% or inflation rises above 2.5%. The Committee in March 2014 decided to remove the mention of the explicit thresholds in its guidance, but emphasized that there has been no change in the stance of monetary policy.
May 2021, Chicago Federal Reserve President Charles Evans told CNBC: “To average 2% you’ve got to be above 2% for some period of time,” he said. “So inflation rates of 2.5% don’t bother me as long as it’s consistent with averaging 2% over some period of time.”
For a decade, Evans has persistently extended the target directive of the Fed’s monetary policy. Stretching the explicit threshold of inflation by 350 percent. It’s obvious that Evans has no forward plan for monetary policy, except for endless liberalization. His statistical nonsense of “r*” leaves out his values “b” and “s”, integrated over time to infinity.
killben
killben
2 years ago
Of all the crackpots taking a seat at the Fed,Evans takes the cake. 
I had wondered how is it possible to put together a bunch of crackpots like those at the Fed before I realized that one of the qualification to take a seat the Fed is “being a crackpot”. No wonder Evans made it with ease and is on Top of the class
Jackula
Jackula
2 years ago
Unbelievable, saw similar claptrap in an LA Times editorial piece. The middle class in the US is vaporizing primarily due to FED policies. 
TCW
TCW
2 years ago
Just a thought, but I wonder how the Buffett Indicator would look if it was normalized by the prime interest rate.  Back when Buffett came up with it interest rates had never been so low.  I expect the 2000 peak would be much higher than today.
Carl_R
Carl_R
2 years ago
Reply to  TCW
The other thing I see wrong with the Buffett Indicator is that I believe large corporations have been taking over a larger and larger portion of the economy, as small businesses either get crushed or absorbed. Thus, you’d expect to see it rising over the years. Is it rising faster than their share of the economy, and thus it indicates over-valuation? Probably, but how much, I don’t know.
Agave
Agave
2 years ago
Has anyone here seen a reasonable study on the impact of the trade tariffs applied in the previous administration on overall domestic price inflation to date, and in the study a caveat which might also account for related impacts of the pandemic on this tariff influence on prices?
I realize it’s just a sub-element of all the inputs including the increased money supply, QE, low interest rates, supply chain problems, asset inflation, and all of those and their ultimate effect on prices, but I’m curious if anyone has attempted to isolate the degree of impact of these tariffs with any degree of accuracy.
get
get
2 years ago
I agree with him and so does Luke Gromen. There’s only one way out of this mess and that’s with inflation otherwise we get debt crash deflation which would be worse.

There’s only two options for the debt: Inflate it away or write it off.

Christoball
Christoball
2 years ago
Reply to  get
You can only inflate away yesterdays debt. You cannot inflate away tomorrows continually increasing everpresent debt.
Carl_R
Carl_R
2 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
And that, right there, is the problem. Trying to inflate it away makes it worse because the interest on debt will explode, and consume the budget, requiring cuts in services and entitlements.
kiers
kiers
2 years ago
hmmm…..note to self…”Chi Fed Prez is goofball….” double underlined, circled.  
Seriously, my freshman writing professor would rate that 650 word essay as pompous pointlessness unworthy of reader attention. Yes but no, up but down, left but right, likely but not really….
I did learn a shocking sophistry hack, though: when the Fed say “2%” average target, they are referring to a cumulated 2% rate applied to 2007 PCE index, compared to today?!  THIS is what they call “average inflation targettting”?!?  OMG.  This puts it very concretely.
Also, I’ve been saying in many places but no one heeds: Janet Yellen has advocated a “high pressure economy” since 2016.
She’s the head puppeteer.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
2 years ago
great post mish.  very informative.   however i must remind myself always that the FED is owned.  by private bankers mostly and a few unions.    they need inflation to keep their ponzi system easier to fund.     they are not dumb.   they are not ignorant or confused.   they have one mission.   to keep the owners of FED solvent and profitable.   inflation is easier for that.    of course they are NOT omnipotent.   they might fail.  looks to me like they will as bubble bursts.  
Tedwardspharmd
Tedwardspharmd
2 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn

Vanderlyn is spot on.  Fed is not dumb by any stretch.  They are doing exactly what they were set up to do at Jekyll Island.  Mish, you’ve been a bear for 10 years and a gold bug to boot.  It’s not that I think you’re wrong…I just think that fiat has as many zeros as they want it to have when it comes to the market.  

vanderlyn
vanderlyn
2 years ago
Reply to  Tedwardspharmd
creature of jekyll island should be required reading for all sophomores in HS.   amazing how few financial professionals have no clue about it.    i guess that’s to our advantage.   knowledge is power. 
Carl_R
Carl_R
2 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
Keep in mind, too, that the Fed would have nothing to do if the Government would balance the budget. By running increasing deficits, they fiscal policy keeps putting more balls in the air, and giving the Fed the job of trying to keep them from crashing to the ground. So many people spend time criticizing the juggling skills of the Fed without ever mentioning that if the government would stop putting balls in the air, there would be nothing to juggle.
Dean_70
Dean_70
2 years ago
Money NEEDS to be herded into bonds. Policy is wearing thin as evidenced by the rising rates. In an inflationary environment how can you heard money from various assets into bonds to keep rates from shooting up even faster? War
Got gold?
thimk
thimk
2 years ago
let me throw this out there: The feds did have some  control over the USA economy back when we were more of a closed system . Today where globalization/ financialization  is prevalent , their legacy tools/mindset are no longer as effective .        
kiers
kiers
2 years ago
Reply to  thimk
i think the whole purpose of having all this fakely created inflation, (see my Yellen plan in comment above) is to enable re-shoring while bamboozling the public.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Got time for some fun in these serious times?

Paul J. Ferraro and Laura O. Taylor (Georgia State
University) asked the following question at the 2005 annual meeting of the
American Economic Association
: “You won a free ticket to see an Eric
Clapton concert (which has no resale value). Bob Dylan is performing on the
same night and is your next-best alternative activity. Tickets to see Dylan
cost $40. On any given day, you would be willing to pay up to $50 to see Dylan.
Assume there are no other costs of seeing either performer. Based on this
information, what is the opportunity cost of seeing Eric Clapton? (a) $0, (b)
$10, (c) $40, or (d) $50?”

Without giving away the answer, only 21.6 percent of professional economists answered
correctly—a dismal performance because a random answer would be 25 percent.
MPO45
MPO45
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I measure all opportunity costs like this against my hourly rate which is way above any of the offered answers listed.  There should be an answer:  (e) Your hourly wage rate.
Here’s one for you.  You make $300/hour and you are given a free ticket to see Eric Clapton worth $50.  Do you take it or work an extra hour for $300 so you can take that money and invest it?
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
$0 because Dylan ticket had not yet been purchased; therefore, the person never took a financial loss.
Carl_R
Carl_R
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
$10, because by going to see Clapton, they gave up the opportunity to see Dylan for $10 less than they were willing to pay.
denker
denker
2 years ago
The FRB slogan should be ‘Doing more harm than good for 107 years’.  If monkeys throwing darts can pick stocks better than most fund managers what animal should be setting the interest rates?  Rather have markets set them than these pompous windbags lost in their models and charts but possessing no common sense. 
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Charles Evans is the ‘genius’ behind the the Evans Rule, circa 2012.
“The Committee (FOMC) will hold rates near zero at
least until unemployment falls below 6.5% or inflation rises above 2.5
%.”
He has a doctorate in economics from Carnegie. Gotta wonder.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
I bought more NEM today, along with BHP, RIO, ET, and finally, IEP…which is Carl Icahn’s dividend king MLP. I like MLP’s for the tax advantage for high earned-income professionals. I will build bigger positions in these large cap commodity plays for a while, and wait for the lows to add to my small and mid-caps O&G’s and uranium stocks. 
MPO45
MPO45
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
You are a smart man.  I have similar except NEM but dumped ET not too long ago.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
thanks for trading ideas.   guys like you makes this blog better.   build blog better.  ha ha
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
2 years ago
I mentioned this a while back (month or two), but I expect the Fed to come out with a statement that is the equivalent of  ‘Whatever is currently happening is exactly what we want to happen’.
This guys crazy comments prove I was was right. In an effort to assure the Markets and everyone else that everything is under control and there is no reason to panic they are going to claim high inflation is good and exactly what they wanted.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
It’s all theater, carefully scripted to give markets a carrot and a stick. The primary objective of cooling demand has basically already been accomplished without a shot being fired or any rates being raised. Now raises of 50-75bps will be done and some MBS’s will be sold, and there will be more market weakness and maybe a mild recession to complete the act….to be followed by more QE and more Fed balance sheet increases, because this path was chosen 14 years ago and there really isn’t any way we don’t keep leveraging up the banking system to buy government debt…until something does break…..maybe in a  few years time. There are limits and lots of potential Black Swans that can’t be known. We’re in completely uncharted waters.
Mish
Mish
2 years ago
Mish
Mish
2 years ago
TSLA someone mentioned a bullish 5 wave up coming.
Rather doubt it. We already had 5 waves up and arguably this is the first wave down 
There are probably even more bearish counts but I do not follow this closely
MPO45
MPO45
2 years ago
I am getting confused.  On the one hand, the fed controls nothing and cant save anyone and on the other hand, the fed orchestrates bubble after bubble and dominates everything in the economy.  Why the bipolar view?
At one point, inflation was transitory and now its the inflationary apocalypse.  Another bipolar view.
Any time yields invert, a recession is imminent until it isnt or doesnt show up.
Why not just say the economy is like a bucking bull in a china shop and bad things are probably going to happen?
As others here have pointed out there are three real time bombs: 
1. demographics – 60 million boomers will all be 65+ by 2030, what is the ecomonic impact in terms of labor force, productivity, strain on social systems, and consumption?
2. debt – Yes, there is too much and if interest rates rise then there will literally be hell to pay but when and where to hide.
3. debauchery – the planet is being trashed at unprecedented levels, forget climate change, how do I stop eating plastic when its being used as feed for animals these days?
Seems these three topics warrant far more exploration than “Fed=bad” because that doesnt help anyone here unless we all get pitchforks and torches and head over there but thats another story.
Mish
Mish
2 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Not a bipolar view – cause and control are not the same thing.
The Fed is clearly out of control 
Anyone who does not think so isn’t thinking
MPO45
MPO45
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Not trying to be facetious but what would an in control fed look like?  I get that the perfect fed is no fed but barring that what *should* the fed do because I doubt they will shut down anytime soon.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
2 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
There shouldn’t be a Fed at all.
Since there must be one, they should do nothing (the equivalent of no Fed).
MPO45
MPO45
2 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
An astute observation.  The three countries that I can think of that don’t have a central bank like all the others around the world are Iran, North Korea and Cuba.   Is this the right course of action for a fed free environment?
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
2 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
“the fed controls nothing and cant save anyone”
Who said this?
MPO45
MPO45
2 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
That was an inferance from this entire post.
Keep up, it was from yesterday.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
2 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
“The Fed can control short term interest rates”
“The Fed can lock rates by buying unlimited bonds, but it cannot lock inflation at that price.”
Work on your comprehension.
MPO45
MPO45
2 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Work on your carefully selecting single sentences to buld your counter argument.  Werent you the one who said recession would start after the free government money ended then came up with excuse after excuse as to why it didnt.  That was all last year too.
Yes, keep calling for recession every other comment, eventually you will be right at some point.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
2 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
“Werent you the one who said recession would start after the free government money ended then came up with excuse after excuse as to why it didnt.”
  I never called for a recession LAST year … let alone gave excuses for why didn’t.  A recession THIS year?  Likely.
Quit playing fast and loose with the facts.  But if you think I’m in error please correct.  With direct cite(s).
thimk
thimk
2 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
thanks  for mentioning I-bonds . I had completely forgotten about this vehicle.
Mish
Mish
2 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
My point was the Fed cannot control consequences.
It has a dual mandate – also impossible. 
And “control” of rates, if one calls it that means it has to agree to unlimited purchases at that price. 
I concluded my article 
So, is the Fed really in “control” of anything, or is the whole damn thing an illusion? 
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
there is no dual mandate in reality.     one mandate.  to keep her owners solvent and very profitable.   all that other dribble is for show.   best to read creature from jekyll island and also how and why andrew jackson sunk the first central bankers of private northern city banks.    
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
“So, is the Fed really in “control” of anything, or is the whole damn thing an illusion? “
Yes.   They seem in control when things are moving in desired direction.  But when sentiment changes they’ll be out of luck.  I see them as (financial) curlers … with their brooms.  Influence (which IS a form of control) but not in TOTAL control.  I agree with your nuance.  Not a black or white situation.
I’ve stated before they’ll be most effective after collapse, when sentiment is rock bottom (but looking for an excuse to turn up).  Expansion of balance sheet + buying equities* (via ETFs) likely on the docket.
*Not currently allowed, but Yellen and others have pushing for this mandate.  I doubt Congress says NO after markets rocked.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
The Fed is in control, until it isn’t. The driving force is Keynesian economics for dunderheads. In other words, the underlying model is fundamentally flawed.

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