Proof of Negative Test
New CDC Guidelines Require Proof of Negative Test on inbound international flights.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has ordered that all travelers flying to the U.S. from abroad will have to show proof of negative Covid-19 tests before boarding their flight starting Jan. 26. The CDC said preflight testing is necessary as Covid-19 cases continue to soar and more-contagious strains of the virus emerge around the world. President Biden signed an executive order on Jan. 21 affirming the new testing requirements and directing agencies to consider additional travel-safety measures.
- Who It Affects: The order applies to everyone traveling to the U.S. on international flights, including U.S. citizens. You will need to show negative test results even if you are flying on a private jet or charter flight. There are exceptions for children under age 2, airline crews and federal law-enforcement agents and members of the military traveling for duty.
- Countries Covered: Every country except U.S. territories, such as Puerto Rico.
- When: This starts January 26. People arriving from the United Kingdom already have been subject to similar testing requirements that went into effect in December, following the emergence of a new coronavirus strain there.
- Procedure: U.S.-bound air travelers must get tested no more than three days before flying and bring written or electronic proof of the results. Airlines can accept both PCR and rapid antigen tests. The CDC has said home diagnostic kits that are analyzed in a lab should qualify, if the kits have been approved by national health authorities.
- Vaccinations Don’t Count: A vaccination does not negate the need for a test.
- Those Who Had Covid: If you have tested positive for Covid-19 in the past three months but no longer have symptoms, the CDC doesn’t recommend getting tested again. If you are in this group and have met the criteria to end isolation, the CDC says you can travel as long as you have written permission from a health-care provider or public-health official. Bring your positive test result and the doctor’s letter to show the airline in lieu of a negative test result.
- CDC Recommendations: The CDC recommends people get a second test three to five days after travel and stay home for seven days (or 10 days without a second test). Testing on its own isn’t a substitute for social distancing and wearing face masks, CDC officials said.
This is going to kill international travel.
Mish
Of course we were told that this Coronavirus, like all Coronaviruses, is a seasonal phenom. That we might possibly see later in the year (2020) a lesser rebound. Nevertheless, not to worry. The economy can withstand 3-6 months of shut down.
I am facing a dilemma at present, I d be grateful for your opinion. My dementia suffering mom is in a nursing home, she caught covid in december without serious symptons, (1 week hospitalised because she wouldn’t eat) she has now recovered and is doing fine. I was asked today if I agreed with my mother getting the Pfizer jab this week. Personally I have serious doubts as far as the vaccination hype is concerned, so I definitely will refuse mine….What am I going to decide for my mom? I have no siblings to help me out, and most people I know, brainwashed (again) by the media, seem to be irrationally jubilant about vaccination perspectives. Thanks for your input.
Thanks ..it’s obvious…so far, nobody knows what the final outcome will be, say 6 months or a year from know…
I think that’s a very tough call. I believe her odds of staying alive to be better with the shot….but having had COVID is a variable that complicates the picture. Also her age needs to be considered. I don’t think vaccinating people in their 90’s is necessarily a good idea. Also, what is her current quality of life? Is it even a good idea to prolong her life if she is suffering. I say that from the perspective of someone who once had a mother with dementia, whose quality of life got very poor in the final years.
She’s still quite mobile and very happy when she sees me, behind the window that is these days, visits, or taking her for a stroll or having lunch somewhere is out of the question….. I know the decision is totally mine…Thanks anyway Eddie
Thanks for your empathy, nice …
was meant for Amigator this one , if you don t mind (smile)
It does not appear that having had COVID makes you more likely to have any side effects from the vaccine….as far as I can find out. I looked, as I’m sure you have already.
So, given the good physical health and decent quality of life your mom still enjoys, it would seem to make sense to vaccinate her…..since it isn’t well understood whether being previously infected offers long term immunity.
The authorities definitely recommend vaccinating the recovered…..and that’s why.
I think the math still favors vaccination, fwiw.
Nobody actually knows the answer to the most important question to be answered here….which is how long a previous infection….or the vaccine..protects you.
Hopefully BOTH previous infection and the vaccine offer some protection….so either way your mom is probably at less risk than someone in the same facility that didn’t have COVID. That’s my guess, but it is a guess. No data.
Wow tough decision. If it was my mom I would not give vaccine since she has already had the virus. If she had not had the virus I would probably go with the vaccine since she probably already has problems surpassing vaccine issues.
Either way best of luck and you have our best wishes and thoughts to you and your mother.
Thanks for your empathy, nice …
There’s no known reason to vaccinate yourself for COVID if you’ve already had it. Some vaccines offer cross-protection against other diseases, but we don’t know whether that’s the case with the COVID vaccines yet.*
If you know she had it, skip the vaccine. If you aren’t sure, have her get the vaccine.
How did they confirm her case?
Both of my parents had dementia. I would not and did not do anything to extend their lives. Once they could not move around freely, they felt no need to extend their lives. I loved and admired both of them. I consider dementia a terminal disease.
I do not believe that anyone can give you a definitive answer to the question. Norway has experienced some problems with the Pfizer vaccine given to very elderly and frail people.
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The Spammer Who Reads The Topic strikes again.
You can blame trump all you want, but you cannot get over the fact that joe just flushed millions of jobs down the toilet…ON PURPOSE!!!
i watched on tv here, they had hundreds of people with affidavits swearing election fraud. Look, if you cannot discuss here anymore, the republic is lost.
You are completely delusional. I have told you before that drinking the Trump Kool aid is dangerous to your health.
“You can blame trump all you want, but you cannot get over the fact that joe just flushed millions of jobs down the toilet…ON PURPOSE!!!”
It’s day 4, seriously, he was inaugurated 4 days ago….maybe wait, say, for his first jobs report….?
By any chance, do you make toast?
lol no toast for me!
From Goldman Sachs on the stock Market. They say it is highly valued but:
Today’s market also lacks the extreme investor leverage that is typical of bubbles. Due in large part to fiscal stimulus, US household disposable income growth was strong in 2020, and the outlook remains positive with further stimulus likely on the way. Excess savings remain elevated and the aggregate US household debt service ratio is nearly the lowest in at least 40 years. As a result, the strong recent inflows to US equities have apparently been funded by cash rather than leverage. While US margin debt has certainly risen in recent months, it currently registers a smaller share of market cap than it has as recently as during 2017-2018. And money market fund assets remain elevated after large inflows in 2020.
Really illustrates what the government insiders think of Covid vaccinated people. Does it work
There seems to be a big misunderstanding about what immunity actually means and I blame it on our school system and our press. Immunity as we use the term can mean one can get an extremely minor infection to a mild case, means one has some level of resistance to a pathogen. Someone that has been vaccinated for Covid can get a mild case that may be enough to make them contagious with very low risk to the host. We’ll have better data soon as millions of people are vaccinated. Also the Covid vaccines are not 100% effective.
I haven’t flown since the tsa came about and want nothing to do with airports. I’m still convinced this corona crap and lockdowns are totally overblown.
The rapid tests are less accurate. COVID cases will enter the US without a passport.
The rapid tests are not less accurate …… this is a terrible misunderstanding on the part of the media and sadly a lot of the medical community as well.
The rapid tests are testing for people who are contagious. If you think about this for a minute you will understand the benefit of this test.
PCR tests pick up viral debris for sometimes weeks after people get sick but are no longer contagious.
Rapid Antigen testing is one of the misunderstood tragedies of how we have mishandled the pandemic. This is a vital tool that should have been used months ago to test whether or not people are spreading the virus. The fact that PCR tests come back positive when RA tests negative is not a failure of the test. It is a failure to understand the nature and value of the test.
That, and PCR isn’t the be all and end all of testing. It is not diagnostic, multiplying a segment of viral material (not the entire pathogenic genome) and the U.S. is wildly inconsistent as to what cycle threshold constitutes a positive test.
I certainly agree that PCR tests come with their own peculiar baggage that needs to be interpreted with caution.
But I will add that with the benefit of experience, a positive Covid diagnosis can be made based on clinical observation and PCR testing can be a confirmation.
PCR testing as a public health policy, in my opinion is problematic ……
“The order applies to everyone traveling to the U.S. on international flights, including U.S. citizens.”
This was the mistake made 10 months ago, a travel ban on China that did nothing to test/quarantine U.S. citizens coming in.
Yes, I believe Trump did that one and joe was all over him for doing it. Calling him a xenophobe…OK jo, who is the xenophobe now?
“Yes, I believe Trump did that one and joe was all over him for doing it. Calling him a xenophobe…OK jo, who is the xenophobe now?”
Biden has required all persons coming in to be tested.
The argument against Trump was he solely focused on Chinese, allowing everyone else in without testing/quarantine.
I’m not sure you have mastered the definition of the word xenophobe.
The mistake was not cutting off China travel sooner…..and maybe more important Europe. It’s not that it wasn’t a good idea….it was used too late…..just like we’re doing now.
News almost immediately after similar requirement was introduced for entry into Canada:
As well, Canada’s other airline Westjet laid off 1000 employees at the same time.
If it’s Boeing I’m not going.
Bullish for stocks as Fed will have to expand eligible debt to be monetized to support the Biden economy. Stock market is the economy now.
At some point the talk is going to be how to reduce debt or at least prevent it from rising so much. The best time for a new administration to do this is early on in it’s new term. One way or another I suspect taxes are going to rise soon.
“I suspect taxes are going to rise soon.”
Biden’s platform stated tax increases at $400K+ incomes.
Might not be income taxes.
“Stock market is the economy now.”
Only just now?
Stock market has been the economy since October 2008.
Possible Value Added Tax but any tax increases will be a nail in the coffin.
The state is becoming the economy and control freaks will like it that way.
Dependency = control = power.
Well on the way to a very bad place
I would have thought an increase in fuel duty would be a prime target. After all that will be perceived to help the climate and can’t easily be dodged, could raise quite a bit too.
“I would have thought an increase in fuel duty would be a prime target.”
Call me naïve if you must, I’ll go out on a limb and say no, they (the Dems/Biden) won’t go for any consumption taxes.
2008 drilled the effect that consumption has on the economy into everyone’s head, both sides, atop the fact that both sides are in a heated contest for middle class moderate votes.
Biden’s a long player, knows not to alienate moderates.
I’m sure you’re right, you know more about it than me, although I would’ve thought they’re going to have to raise revenue somehow in the near future.
Yes, as I said “Biden’s platform stated tax increases at $400K+ incomes.”
The ship to cut the debt has sailed, it’s gone parabolic. Yes there might be some tax increases but it would sink the economy. I’m concerned about wide scale social breakdown, we are already seeing cracks in it.
A few million more jobs down the shitter…oh well, jo and ho are doing such a swell job, and only been in office less than a week.
The key being a few million “more” jobs. If Trump had a plan, instead of golfing and tweeting insults things might not have gotten this bad. Millions of those jobs are gone because of Trump. He had a year to come up with a plan to roll out vaccinations and when Biden took office they discovered that the Trump admin never had a plan for anything. They should impeach that fat orange MFer a third time.
“… If Trump had a plan, instead of golfing and tweeting insults things might not have gotten this bad. …”
Or, if ten months ago he took the CDC & WHO seriously, listened to professionals & used his executive power to expedite tests, instead of encouraging complacency over the “Fake news”, “Democrat hoax” and the “fake flu”, we might be much better off now.
23 Jan 2021
Focus group: Former Trump voters say he should never hold office again
It sounds like we need to start doing genome testing on the virus now that we’re worried about variants
That has been ongoing for many months.
Not from what I can tell. My friend’s firm is engaged in this. Says their firm doesn’t offer it and its very expensive. Also based on the statements of health officials it sounds like we don’t have the data.
The Biden Admin just kicked up the funding for genome testing. Lack thereof is one of the many failures of the Trump admin. LA County has a novel varient that’s more contagious and as this, the UK, S African, Brazilian, etc spread thru the US we will see a monstrous spike in cases. Its criminal that we are 2 months since the cases started spiking before the genome testing caught it here in SoCal. The worst of this pandemic is in front of us. As Biden mentioned recently.
Like why wasn’t this done during the Trump administration? By the way Israel just shut its airport for a week to give more time to vaccinate its population which is proceeding quicky, a benefit of having a national health system
Also because they are small and understand the nature of future warfare. Distribute protection to the population FAST. This is practice.
Funny how (I’ll assume) you justify your preference for a national health system before the pandemic continues during the pandemic. While simultaneously ignoring that some of the worst hit countries (Belgium, Italy, Spain, UK) also have national health systems. It’s almost as if the type of health system were irrelevant. Whatever the health question is, the answer is “nationalize it”?
leave your baggage home. every system has its pros and cons
Israel expects to be attacked by chemical weapons thus a population that has an advanced civil defense force and a population willing to take orders.
Ha ha ha. A quick Google search turns up this #1 hit:
November 21, 2020
With COVID-19 Testing Needed for Travel, Fake Negative COVID-19 Tests Emerge as a Problem
I just canceled my trip to Mexico scheduled for March
Be careful…You can get a Nasty Burrito down there….then test positive….
Jet fuel demand already down, now heading into the toilet.
The whole aerospace supply chain in suspended animation and will re-open to a different landscape when it does finally re-open. Replacement cycle extended and anyone billing of flight miles or flightvhours is screwed if they have no insurance.
I wonder why they won’t accept vaccination? It kind of suggests a lack if confidence in the vaccine they want everyone to get. Also, what do they do with US citizens with a positive result? They can’t return home? Is a foreign country now stuck with dealing with US citizen Covid positive individuals?
It’s because they don’t have enough evidence on whether vaccinated people can still transmit the virus. It’s a big question, and we won’t know for a while yet.
So they are actually not sure the vaccine works, but they want everyone to get it anyway?
Some things are not knowable…..until some time has passed. There is plenty of evidence as to the general efficacy of the vaccines. But much remans to be learned, and it takes time to get the data.
Failure to get as many people vaccinated as soon as possible is the worst imaginable failure, as far as managing this epidemic. You can bet your ass on that Mr. Merchant of Doubt.
Thank you for your very polite reply. I will make sure never to ask you a question again. Sorry to disturb you.
Oh cool it with the fake indignation. I know a strawman argument when I see one.
A good rule of thumb for internet etiquette is don’t post something that you would not say to someone in real life. Is that how you talk to people you meet when they disagree with you?
As for merchant of doubt, not accepting the vaccine for entry suggests doubt on the part of the people demanding we all get it. You yourself saying it might not prevent the spread of Covid is surely a sign of doubt. Pointing out that every other vaccine in history was tested for several years in order to remove such doubt while this one was not should not cause anyone anger. But it seems it angers you.
Slightly off topic (but not really) are the numerous politicians who break the rules of safety they demand the rest of us follow. Forget about hypocrisy and setting an example…shouldn’t they follow those rules simply to save their own skins? You know, the coronavirus being so dangerous and all. When they so openly break those rules, some people might conclude that they themselves don’t believe what they are telling us, and thereby sowing doubt. So if you want to remove doubt, perhaps look into those things.
You are so correct, We have been lied to for the last 9 months about all things covid.
I’ve already been vaccinated once and I get round two day after tomorrow. My partner has spent the day trying to find a place to get our last unvaccinated employee the shot. They’re hard to come by at the moment.
All these worries…..I think every possible vaccination side-effect ever experienced has been googled now and brought up on this forum…..it’s overblown….you can use it as your excuse to avoid the vaccination, but your real issue is not vaccines, it’s your distrust of authority.
I don’t much like authority either, but I can weigh risk vs. benefit better than most people….I do it every day in the routine treatment of my own patients, and I can do it for myself. I’m not worried about ADE or any of the other laundry list of side effects…..the risk of any of that absolutely pales in comparison to the risks of serious temporary and/or permanent effects of catching COVID.
63 Million people have been vaccinated, The deaths and serious side effects are within the range of normal for any vaccine, so far. The vaccine appears to be working fairly amazingly well, so far. That’s the truth of the matter.
You have to balance the safety of waiting until more is known….against two things.
One is that you could get sick and end up on a ventilator or die….or have these long term effects of COVID that are rather common.
The second is that a high percentage of vaccinated people, reached at soon as humanly possible is much more likely to benefit everyone on the planet.
You have good points. Myself, I feel I have been lied to for the last year or so from the ones that are supposed to be in the know. I don’t feel they have been honest, so, I suppose its just a lack of trust. Ivermectin I would take if I needed it, but, honestly I have not a sniffle or any kind of cold in over 10 years. I do take supplements in volume, so being healthy is normal for me. Not bragging just a fact.
“… real issue is not vaccines, it’s your distrust of authority.”
A sad reality on both sides.
IMO, the result of money & lobbying influence in D.C. … Some don’t know if leadership is promoting a pharmaceutical product, or acting in the best interest of the people.
Same reason for the Opioid epidemic, politicians too afraid to ask questions or suggest regulating for fear of losing campaign funds, same with the banks in the sub-prime…etc…etc
I do agree with you on this topic, to err on the side of caution, just take the vaccine.
I NEVER, EVER, EVER post anything on the internet I would wouldn’t say to your face.
If you think I was particularly rude, you don’t get around much.
Your initial comment, and your second comment, led me to recognize you as someone pretending to be a concerned reader, who was really trying to create questions in the mind of your readers….as to whether those in authority might not know what they’re doing.
The real answer is that they are doing what they can, and they are doing more right now because the crisis looks to be getting worse before it gets better. I hope you can appreciate that there is uncertainty, but that the range of possible responses is limited.
When politicians break the rules they want the rest of us to follow that makes them hypocrites. Is the idea of a politician being a hypocrite a shock for you? Do you base your personal actions on how politicians act?
” not accepting the vaccine for entry suggests doubt on the part of the people demanding we all get it.”
No it doesn’t. It suggests an abundance of caution.
Eddie, before you get the jab, look into the ADE risk with this new vaccine
A vaccine helps your body suppress an infection. It doesn’t mean you don’t get infected. Vaccinated people will likely have much lower levels of active virus and so should be much less infectious, but they can still spread it.
A year ago it’d done more good with less disruption, ultimately…..barn now locked, horse long gone.
True, but a year ago there wasn’t much in the way of testing. Back in March/April you would have to look long and hard and have pretty serious symptoms before you could get a test. And the wait 7 to 10 days for the result. Getting a result 3 days before departure would have been impossible back then.
We could have just closed international travel down completely……and I said we should at the time. Very early on it could have made a big difference.
We could have done what plenty of countries did to keep Covid out. Only essential travel and 14 day quarantine with real enforcement.
Yea bit late now that the underlying US infection rate is higher than most of the countries people will be travelling from. I suppose that is the newer strains haven’t yet taken hold then it will help to avoid another surge.