In a Fiery Tweetstorm, Ann Coulter Blasts Trump Over Taxes

For Billionaires to Pay Zero Taxes is Corrupt

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amigator
amigator
3 years ago

Dump the personal income tax. Just tax business to balance the budget. Get rid of all monies loans whatever to foreign countries. If you care go over there and help them!
Senators and congressman participate in all wars on the front lines.

This is how we were founded.

Retired from IRS
Retired from IRS
3 years ago

Tax law needs to be reformed to substantially limit deductibility of partnership losses. This is how Trump gets away with paying no tax. I worked for IRS for 33 1/2 years and audited several real estate professionals paying little or no tax for years.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T
3 years ago

You can also borrow your equity for your living expenses and not owe tax. This is something my old mentor Robert Kyosaki talks about a lot in his books.

Tengen
Tengen
3 years ago

Not really a fan of Coulter but she gave an interesting interview about a year ago on Trump’s psyche. It’s nearly an hour and echoes what others have said more recently, like Woodward and Scaramucci.

Trump isn’t playing 4D chess, he usually thinks like an overgrown child:

Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Tengen

Great interview. Thanks, @Tengen. (Note: Your take doesn’t well match the interview. Interview summary: Trump won on “the wall” but surrounded himself with people who don’t want to stop illegal immigration. And several other more tactical points.)

Tengen
Tengen
3 years ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish

Haven’t watched the interview in a while but the part that sticks out in memory is her bashing Trump for “disloyalty”, where he favors the MSM over the smaller publications that actually like him. Basically Trump follows the MSM and celebrities like the Kardashians because they’re on TV, which in his world makes them important.

That basically says he’s not a philosophical guy, just one absorbed in popular culture sort of like a typical teenager.

Edit: Another example of this is Woodward’s book “Rage”. Woodward clearly isn’t a fan yet Trump was more than happy to give him an astounding 18 interviews for the book. Woodward is famous and Trump knows who he is, so he’ll gladly talk to him many times rather than more unknown authors or bloggers who love him.

Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Tengen

Yeah, the thing about not supporting those in the media who backed him was #1 of the “tactical points” I was thinking of.

I’m not sure AC is right about what T should do in this area. Keeping in mind that I call T the “Rorschach president”, T seems an optimist and self-confident. So, I may be a fool to think he was insane to talk to Woodward (who, let’s be honest, seems insane, himself 🙂 ). But, where’s the upside to talking to his backers? He doesn’t need to convince them. Self-confidence and optimism would tell him to talk to the other side as if their minds can be changed.

T seems to fanatically follow a generous tit-for-tat game theory strategy. So, if Woodward hasn’t attacked T, then T would be generous. Or randomly at times, anyway.

ColoradoAccountant
ColoradoAccountant
3 years ago

Consumption taxes are the most logical. You can hide your income, but not your consumption unless you grow it yourself. What do we care what someone is paid? It is their consumption that competes with you for resources.

njbr
njbr
3 years ago

You’re proposing the old canard that would tax a greater portion of a working person’s income than a Colorado accountant’s income. If they don’t have enough to save with, everything they have will be taxed.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T
3 years ago
Reply to  njbr

I expect we will eventually get to pay income tax AND consumption tax ala VAT.

The non-billionaires among us, I mean.

TimeToTest
TimeToTest
3 years ago

@ColoradoAccountant

I love when people propose new taxes. You think we would learn but we don’t.

The wealthy would just lease they stuff from a different country and bring it here “temporarily”.

Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago

Her fame is based on getting people’s knickers in a twist, and up until the last couple years it was the liberals who were easiest to bait. Now we have a world full of hyper sensitive, ready to rage trumplings, and Coulter saying vaguely liberal things will grant her a a rich vein of outrage to monetize for years to come.

For those that dispute the tenderness of the trumplings, would direct you to reddit.com/r/conservative, and invite you to make a post in any way critical of trump and see how fast you get banned.

Does anyone have a link to a pro-trump message forum that isn’t a trumpling safe space? I’d like to have a hypothesis disproved…

Rocky Raccoon
Rocky Raccoon
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz

Isn’t it ironic the #MAGA cult is thinner skinned than the “libtards” they hate?

jfpersona1
jfpersona1
3 years ago
Reply to  Rocky Raccoon

Ironic – yes.

But it is also karmic.

Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz

My impression has been that over the last couple years both sides’ web sites have become more bubblicious. Not a surprise given the tone on both sides. It’s a feedback loop in action.

Wouldn’t it be wonderful to sort Internet comments by hysteria?

mrutkaus
mrutkaus
3 years ago

Also have you been reading WSJ’S Peggy Noonan lately? She has been critical of T for months.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T
3 years ago
Reply to  mrutkaus

Paywall. lol.

Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T

There are browser add on’s to break through.

mrutkaus
mrutkaus
3 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T

You can get Noonan columns late on her website.

lol
lol
3 years ago

Smart if you don’t get caught,Madoff was smart,Trump is smart,Capone is smart……..Till they got caught!

RunnrDan
RunnrDan
3 years ago
Reply to  lol

The “smart” people you mentioned didn’t start out rich, but got rich by being “smart”. You think Trump would risk his estate by getting cute with his taxes? No, he hires lawyers to play the game as efficiently as he can.

Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  RunnrDan

… then tells the lawyers he knows better than them, and cheats on his taxes.

trump started out rich and stupid, and gradually became just stupid.

TimeToTest
TimeToTest
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz

@Zardoz

Trump is either a genius or an idiot. He isn’t a genius.

He knows nothing about the tax code.

Mr. Purple
Mr. Purple
3 years ago
Reply to  lol

It’s easy to become a millionaire when you start with a billion.

Rocky Raccoon
Rocky Raccoon
3 years ago

My sales bonus paid out earlier this year saw nearly ten times the amount Trump paid in 2016 confiscated from me before I ever saw it by Trump’s Treasury Department. I am not a billionaire–just average American middle class.

That was painful enough to realize so much of the fruit of my labor was basically stolen from me. The sting didn’t go away. It just intensified.

Americans aren’t free. They are tax slaves to this corrupt government.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T
3 years ago
Reply to  Rocky Raccoon

Generally speaking, the harder a working guy tries to get ahead in this country, the more he gets penalized by the tax system. Unfortunately it is only by emulating the real rich that you ever get beyond that level…..and it isn’t that easy even if you do…… if you started without the head start of an inheritance.

Irondoor
Irondoor
3 years ago
Reply to  Rocky Raccoon

Why do they need taxes, anyway. They’ve got the unlimited digital printing press.

Rocky Raccoon
Rocky Raccoon
3 years ago
Reply to  Irondoor

What’s interesting is the more I make each year, the more it seems my income is flat. That’s what a progressive taxation system does. I make more, so they take more. Makes no sense to work harder to improve myself because I see minimal rewards.

Call_Me
Call_Me
3 years ago
Reply to  Rocky Raccoon

That’s the system. Federal income tax originally passed as something only for the largest incomes (top 2-3%), but as you’ve found out, now various payroll taxes pile up when a wage-earner tries to improve their economic standing. Similar to how improving one’s domicile tends to lead to a larger property tax. The system is not designed for you (or me, for that matter) to get ahead.

Rocky Raccoon
Rocky Raccoon
3 years ago
Reply to  Irondoor

I have asked as I see the government print money out of thin air, why do they need my money if they can just print it.

Greggg
Greggg
3 years ago
Reply to  Rocky Raccoon

We use the term “money” loosely. In this case you are really talking about currency.

FactsonJoe
FactsonJoe
3 years ago
Reply to  Rocky Raccoon

Just printing money will lead to Zimbabwe.

jivefive99
jivefive99
3 years ago
Reply to  Rocky Raccoon

More than 80% of Federal spending is for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Defense and interest on the debt, all WILDLY popular programs. If youre gonna try to save billions by cutting foreign aid, forget it. It’s pennies.

FactsonJoe
FactsonJoe
3 years ago
Reply to  jivefive99

USA sends 50+ billion dollars in foreign aid per year so it is 500+ billion in 10 years and 1 trillion in 20 years.

That money should be used in USA.

Joe Biden’s brothers got rich from projects paid by US foreign aid from which they got well paid jobs because of their “connections” and Hillary Clinton and John Kerry kept the money flowing.

Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Rocky Raccoon

Its a lot… but if everybody got to keep it all, prices would rise to match, especially for things people get crazy about like houses and cars.

FactsonJoe
FactsonJoe
3 years ago
Reply to  Rocky Raccoon

If you had ACTUALLY READ the New York Times story you would have realized that Trump paid 4+ million in taxes in 2016 while he was running for president and 1+ million in 2017 while he was already president.

Then Trump’s team of accountants and lawyers asked for a TAX REFUND using the laws written/kept for 8 years by Obama/Biden administration and Trump got that tax refund (most likely due to renovating the old Washington DC Post Office building into a Trump hotel) which gave Trump a tax deduction for FUTURE years.

From this New York Times made the LIE that Trump paid just 750 dollars per year when in fact he paid millions and got a tax refund to be used in FUTURE years.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T
3 years ago

We have many problems that could be easily fixed if the country’s very richest people didn’t profit from the existing system.

TimeToTest
TimeToTest
3 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T

@Eddie_T

I agree but you could say that in any century.

Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T

That would be an interesting fix given that, by definition, the very richest are those who have profited.

Greggg
Greggg
3 years ago

Trump’s promises are just self-promotion. It was evident long ago.link to nytimes.com

davebarnes2
davebarnes2
3 years ago

As an Open Borders person, I cannot support Ann Coulter in any manner. She is almost as bad as Steven Miller.
What Ann and I have in common is that we are both white males.

TimeToTest
TimeToTest
3 years ago
Reply to  davebarnes2

Open boarders? What’s wrong with you? We want open to the best boarders. Test them and send the dumb ones back. Give the good ones a green card, a social and tell them to get a job. After 5 tax paying years give them citizenship for 25k. Simple enough.

America wasn’t built by the bottom of the barrel.

FactsonJoe
FactsonJoe
3 years ago
Reply to  TimeToTest

Allowing low wage immigrants to come to USA by the millions either as ILLEGAL immigrants or low wage LEGAL immigrants is morally wrong and leads to lower wages/stagnating wages and robs jobs from millions of Americans.

The fact that USA’s political elite has ALLOWED massive ILLEGAL immigration for tens or years that has resulted in USA having 29.5 million ILLEGAL immigrants currently (MIT-Yale 2018) and then brought massive numbers of low wage legal immigrants to USA at 500k-1million per year in addition to that is a RACIST POLICY.

Allowing ILLEGAL immigration and enabling massive low wage legal immigration is RACISM.

Without these two RACIST policies all black Americans and all poor white Americans would have jobs and wages would be 20 dollars an hour minimum just based on supply and demand of workers without any intervention like amndating 15 dollar minimums.

davebarnes2
davebarnes2
3 years ago
Reply to  TimeToTest

The “Black Irish” weren’t the “bottom of the barrel”? Some people, many people thought so.

pat34lee
pat34lee
3 years ago
Reply to  davebarnes2

If you want open borders, I invite you to move to where the illegals come from and meet them there instead of here.

Sechel
Sechel
3 years ago

I think Coulter has it a bit wrong. It’s not that Trump uses the tax code to avoid taxes, its that he may be doing it fraudulently. Trump’s effective tax rate is far below others with similar income and assets. I do agree the tax code is broken but I don’t see us fixing it anytime soon.

Irondoor
Irondoor
3 years ago
Reply to  Sechel

Trump’s problem is that he isn’t willing to settle for just the basic real estate tax breaks and deductions like depreciation, amortization, tax credits, etc. No, he has to scam his own so-called “charity” by deducting a “contribution” of a painting of himself to the charity. He was banned from ever sitting on the Board of a charity in NY State. Another one: deducting the cost of his haircuts (which does require some unusual skill). He is involved in over 500 different business entities. The IRS must have a staff of agents there routinely just to keep up. On the other hand, the NY Times did report nothing illegal about what he did in the info they examined.

TimeToTest
TimeToTest
3 years ago
Reply to  Irondoor

@Irondoor

Trump didn’t touch his taxes. He has very good attorneys that get paid to save every penny they can.

I think most people think of him banging away on a calculator but the realty is he probably hasn’t even looked at his taxes. Would you double check hundreds(?) of pages of taxes?

FactsonJoe
FactsonJoe
3 years ago
Reply to  Irondoor

Celebrities deduct hair and makeup costs ALL THE TIME and that 70k deduction for hair covered all the years Trump was doing apprentice so he had the same right to deduct that cost as celebrities do.

FactsonJoe
FactsonJoe
3 years ago
Reply to  Sechel

If you had read the NY Times article you would have noticed that the taxes Trump paid were compared to other rich people earning a lot of money but Trump was NOT compared to other real estate developers that pay equally low amounts of tax due to tax code being loaded to the gills with goodies for real estate developers.

Also Trump paid 4+ million in taxes in 2016 and 1+ million in taxes in 2017 even according to NYT.
Trump’s accountants and layers just asked for a refund and got it and Trump got refunds that he can use to lower his FUTURE taxes so Trump did not get those millions in taxes he paid back from IRS but instead can deduct those refunds from his future taxes.

The NYT piece with the 750 dollars claim was MISLEADING either intentionally or because NYT reporters are idiots.

DanielHolzer
DanielHolzer
3 years ago
Reply to  FactsonJoe

While a lot of the NY Times report could be explained by non illegal tax positions, I disagree with your assertion here. If your 1040 shows no tax liability (whether because of deductions, losses, credits, or because you have given an interest free loan to the IRS) then you did not have any tax liability for the year.

pat34lee
pat34lee
3 years ago
Reply to  Sechel

It’s like the rest of government. The tax code is part of how they repay their donors. Pork is another, which is why the House keeps making ‘stimulus’ bills with trillions in pork for people who don’t need it and holding up any payments for those who do.

Sechel
Sechel
3 years ago
Reply to  pat34lee

I”m hard on Trump but after digesting the tax story and listening to a podcast from a cpa i follow for years I think the Times piece wasn’t fair. not everything was properly framed. that said. I have little doubt Trump is taking liberal use of the tax code

Sechel
Sechel
3 years ago

I don’t agree with Ann Coulter on virtually anything but she’s joined the resistance and I recognize she’s not corrupt like some of Trump’s supporters. She has an ideology she believes in an will call out Trump’s hypocracy when she sees it. She got fed up with Trump a while ago

MatrixSentry
MatrixSentry
3 years ago

Ann Coulter is a skank who thinks she’s hot.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T
3 years ago

That is without a doubt the very first time I ever felt anything but contempt for Ann Coulter.

Dear Ann: You helped him get elected. I knew from the get-go (or at least strongly suspected) this is what we’d find out if Trump’s taxes ever got outed. Where was your big brain in 2016?

50% for tax? Thank you for your contribution, and welcome to my world.

pat34lee
pat34lee
3 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T

The Democrats didn’t want Trump’s tax returns to show how much he pays or doesn’t pay. They were wanting to find illegal tax dodging. Anyone with lots of money and a brain has tax attorneys finding the loopholes that Congress put in for their constituents and donors. The whole tax system is corrupt and needs to go.

timbers
timbers
3 years ago

Hehe….hehe…that’s cool. Ann Coulter thinks Democrats are different from Republicans…heheheh…..hehehehhehehe….Obama passed the biggest tax cut for the rich in history before Trump….hehehehe…..

Shut up Beavis!

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