Trump’s View of Things
Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment. @OANN I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up?
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 9, 2020
According to Trump
- Martin Gugino “could be” an ANTIFA provocateur.
- Gugino “appeared” to be scanning police communications in order to black out the equipment.
- Gugino fell harder than he was pushed.
- This “could be” a setup.
Video of the Incident
Let’s play the video to see if what Trump says makes any sense at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=necSGKiwbEE
Please play the above video and watch a man that police shoved to the ground, splitting his head with blood gushing out.
I captured the Tweet in case Trump deletes it.
Nearly 37,000 people retweeted that. But it is hard to know how many did so to show what a fool Trump is vs. those who actually support Trump.
Communications Blocker
Not a Cell Phone #1
Not a Cell Phone #2
Not a Cell Phone #3
Trump’s Alleged Scenario
- 75-year old Martin Gugino is an ANTIFA provocateur with a communications blocker cleverly disguised to look like an iPhone.
- Gugino pointed his blocker straight at an invisible police communications device to disable it.
- Gugino fell harder than he was pushed.
- That Gugino fell harder than he was pushed indicates this may have been a setup all along.
- Fortunately for Gugino, police were able to summons medical help because Gugino’s blocking efforts failed.
Buzzfeed reports Gugino, 75, remains in serious condition in hospital after hitting his head on the ground in an incident that sparked national outrage. Two Buffalo Police Department officers have been charged with second-degree assault, a felony.
Buzzfeed gives thanks to an “absolutely insane” report from pro-Trump cable outlet OAN.
Missing Angle
Did anyone test to see if that was really Gugino blood? I sure hope so.
That blood “could be” fake. A test “could” vindicate the police.
And Trump just “may” have lost it. Nah. He lost it long ago.
Mish
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Police didn’t crack anyone’s head. The sidewalk did. Good lesson for us all: don’t arrogantly get into someone’s face and block them while they’re walking.
Personal Responsibility Mish defends dumb old man that stupidly ran up to the police in riot gear and started touching them with an unknown device. He doesn’t deserve a Purple Heart, he will get a Darwin Award.
have you (meaning ALL of you) had the opportunity to catch a lil of Nonno Cugino’s internet comments???? Holy Smoke. My better half caught me staring intently at some internet material ’bout a wk ago and innocently asked: “what’s that”? I quickly closed the machine (that’s what they are, ya know, just in case) and told her no way was I gonna let her see that. I caught a small section only of hell thereupon but told her no, it wasn’t the usual, it was a send-up by Nonno.
It’s a shame he was not wearing his helmet instead of holding it in his hands. I think a lot of aging people do not realize they are out of shape and should not be inserting themselves into heated protests. He lost his balance so easily. Also police should obviously be more cautious when interacting with seniors and use significantly less force.
I do remember just a few weeks ago when Bernie was considered far too radical because he supports Medicare for All, something that every other western industrialized nation has managed to implement in some form decades ago. But now we are cool with abolishing police and ideological enforcement of social distancing laws. We are expected to cheer on as a cultural Marxist revolution complete with widespread censorship, struggle sessions, and mob justice brings more misery to a population that has already been pillaged by the same elites who are sponsoring this nonsense. All because Trump posts offensive tweets that upset them and they believe a more palatable spokesmodel can stop the inevitable.
I am thrilled to report that Democrat voter registration is through the roof thanks to Trump! Mish is right that this is not 2016. Once we get the permanent Democrat voter percentages up, we will never see a Republican President in our lifetimes. Now watch for more voter suppression. Republicans in Red states won’t send ballots to Democrat voters. They will close poll locations in Democrat areas. The voting machines will magically break down in Democrat areas. They have done this before, like in Georgia where it happened again yesterday. Iowa had great voter turnout at the primary so the Republicans in Iowa are working to outlaw mail in ballots and no doubt they will close polling locations in Democrat areas. The only way Republicans can stay in the game now is to deny Democrats their right to vote. It’s like the opening scene of Selma where the Registrar won’t let a black woman vote. Some thugs never change.
The only reliable and unalienable law of Presidential politics in financialized dystopias, is that President N will be worse than President N-1. For all N.
Hence, once Trump hass done his share to uphold that tradition, you’ll have 4-8 years to be either 1)disappointed in the next caudillo, or 2) degenerate into something no meaningfully different from the current sheepflock of utterly uncritical Trumplings.
Biden will an OK President primarily because he is too senile to do anything, and a President who does nothing is my favorite kind. However, I don’t think he will make it through a term, and then we will find out if he did a good job of choosing a successor.
Trump doing his best to lose the elections
Trump is the best President in many a long year. Our last good President was Ronald Reagan. Although surrounded by opposition on every side, Trump has delivered more in one term than Reagan did in two terms. Between Reagan and Trump we had the longest running administration in American history, the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama administration where lackeys did the bidding of the Crony Capitalists without any consideration of what was good for America or Americans. All I can figure is that the hatred people on this site have for Trump is a spiritual manifestation.
It’s a hoax. Everybody loves him.
When Trump leaves office, government will be bigger than when he entered office. In fact, when Trump leaves office, government will be the biggest, hence least limited, it has ever been. That’s what Trump will have “delivered.”
Just as was the case wrt Reagan, up to that point in America’s free-falling descent from a great country into the utter hellhole it is today.
That’s what those two delivered.
No different from Obama, FDR, Stalin and the rest of their ilk. No different, in any way shape nor form, at all.
Cool, Mish, this “who-makes-the-weirdest-comment” contest! Okay here is mine then:
“Could it be that the police was simply enforcing social distancing, to protect the old man?”
If you want to be thoroughly disgusted with people, go read the Zerohedge comments on the article that first reported it there. I’ve never seen such heartless comments. When trump said he could shoot people and he’d still have supporters, the ZeroHeart crowd might just oblige. For a group of self-professed “libertarians”, it’s incredibly sad to observe their obedience to the state in this and similar cases like George Floyd.
The buffalo guy is old. It doesn’t matter what he previously wrote on his blog or might secretly be thinking. You don’t shove people so hard they lose their balance. If hypothetically the guy is not listening to curfew orders , warn him he’s going to be arrested. If he still doesn’t obey, grab his arms and put the cuffs on.
ZH lost most of its good posters over the years and they were replaced with raving xenophobes. I’ve even heard people whose articles appear there talk about it.
To be cool there, you have to absolutely despise (not merely dislike) blacks, Jews, Muslims, gays, millennials, nearly all women, etc. It went from being edgy to being a caricature of Stormfront, and also got far more religious (evangelical) along the way.
There is still some decent debate about Trump and war, but you have to wade through a ton of garbage to get to it. It’s a cautionary tale of what happens to a site with a total lack of moderation.
“If you want to be thoroughly disgusted with people, go read the Zerohedge comments on the article that first reported it there.”
Anna, why would you do that to yourself?
Just let people know what you found there. Should be interesting.
That is some strange behavior, he was certainly up to something…waving his cell phone around their torso? I’d bet money he had some kind of app that interacts with the police communication system. Even if he wasn’t trying to mess with their radios you don’t walk up to the police like that in any scenario, definatly not a riot situation.
Trump was probably right about this one. He’s right more than he gets credit for… mostly due to his own idiotic actions and tweets. Everyone thought he was crazy about being spied on, he was right about that too.
What will it take for you Trumpsters to wake up and smell the coffee. Trump is completely off base with his assertions. Please read the BBC article available via the below link that completely debunks Trump’s tweet. The BBC is an unbiased news organization that strictly reports the news unlike the politically biased mainstream US news media.
First of all I’m not a “Trumpster”.
Second, this guy was not peacefully protesting when he walked up to police in riot gear in a riot line in a riot situation and got in their face/space and started waving his cell phone around their torso’s.
In the article you posted it says that cell phones don’t operate at a frequency that could “black out” police communications. That seems reasonable to me but it doesn’t mean that this assh@le didn’t think an app he downloaded could cause some kind of problems with the police communications which is the only reason I can think of that anyone would do what he did.
What do you think he was doing? peacefully protesting? ordering a pizza?
Wake up and smell the coffee.
Is an old man “waving a cellphone,” really a threat to the life of a well trained cop in full riot gear?
Acting like so towards another can easily be read as a threat. There are various examples I could post of similar reactions to that kind of behaviour…police, guards, individuals.
Do you know what he was doing ?
The policeman didn’t, and so reacted.
That explanation doesn’t make the whole event any the better, but the phrase “looking for trouble” comes to mind. He chose to approach and engage the police, instead of pacifically allowing them to approach him. If they were entitled to clear a protest, they would still have used force to do so if anyone resisted, but that use of force tends to be measured to the resistance they meet plus one notch higher if it becomes nescessary to impose the order demanded. Often the police are more restrained than protesters also.
It’s all sickening though.
Am I justified in violently pushing those scary cell phone waivers to the ground in self defense as well?
If not, that’s about as good an excuse for de-professionalizing the police, and returning to civilized-era deputized civilians, as you’ll find anywhere.
Watch the first 4 seconds of that video 5 times in a row.
If I walked up to a cop and started waving my arms around his torso/waist/pistol I would expect a defensive reaction from the officer and I might get shot…same for you or anyone else Stuki.
These police officers are in a riot line breaking up a riot, I’d say they did EXACTLY what they’re supposed to in that situation.
That guy is an assh@le who purposefully made a bad situation worse.
Theres something seriously wrong with anyone who thinks those officers did something wrong.
The BBC – an unbiased news organisation? !! ha ha ha. Cracked me up. Wake up to the real world! They are as biased as RT or VOA or NYT, WaPo.
Just because you claim the BBC is biased does not make it true. You need to check your facts.
“The BBC is a quasi-autonomous corporation authorised by royal charter, making it operationally independent of the government, who have no power to appoint or dismiss its director general, and require it to report impartially. However, as with all major media outlets, it has been accused of political bias from across the political spectrum, both within the UK and abroad”.
I repeat, grow up and welcome to the real world! Time to move beyond your toy world. The BBC is an organ of state propaganda, same as RT.
Your same definition applies to all news media in the US. NYT, Fox, WaPo, whichever one you like. In fact, with replacing ‘quasi-autonomous’ by ‘fully independent’ that statement becomes even stronger. If you say any of them are without bias, then truly you have a lot of living and learning to do.
As my friend likes to say you can’t fix stupid.
Funny (telling!) that you didn’t list Fox News.
Edit: I see that you did in your followup post …
Two reasons – everyone says FOX are blatantly biased anyway, while the others call themselves ‘fair and balanced’ and second, because I have never watched or read fox news. I’m in Australia and Fox is geo-blocked here, including on youtube.
Not sure why you think the protester was not peacefully protesting. He certainly showed no violent conduct in the videos that have been released. The Erie District Attorney certainly seems to agree given that the officers involved have been charged. And your statement that Trump is right more often than he gets credit for tells me you are not living in the real world. Even senior members of the Republican establishment have turned against Trump and his lies. You need to get real.
What do you think he was doing?
He was talking to the police, probably complaining about their behavior which is 100 percent legal per the US constitution. He did not touch or threaten them. Just keep supporting this behavior and extend the life of this story and drive millions more views. It’s super helpful to Democrats if more people see this. I hope every voter in the country sees the video and Trumps Tweet.
Trump tweet is off like so many. That said:
The 75 yr old made a choice to interact (maybe – confront – it is unclear from the video) with riot police . I’m curious about what he had in mind.
It seems as the first policeman he encountered was rather patient . The other two weren’t. The video shows that they shoved him back, not directly into the ground. Gravity and moment did the rest.
It is plausible that each of the two wasn’t aware of the other, which led to double the force. I guess we’ll never know.
Finally, I hope that the 75 years old recovers fully and tells his side of the story.
The video shows clearly that he was pushed back, but the fall was more due to his stumble backwards. The police did not use extra force – the man stumbled backwards.
fwiw, I’m not American. Come here mainly for the economic analysis but lately it looks like Mish has also gone full TDS. Everything bad is Trump’s fault.
Don’t put words in Mish’s mouth. Looks like you got TDS. Stop defending shoving old people into losing their balance and cracking their heads open. You are sick.
when you shot and kill a person, you are not the killer, because it’s really the bullet that killed the person, and you just pulled the trigger.
“I’m not American.”
You familiar with the acronym STFU?
LoL that’s how Americans greet each other? Your nation is descending into a shit-hole country, and no wonder if its people like you controlling the agenda. Go for it, man, destroy yourselves.
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I don’t think that the police intended to hurt the man, but they intended to push him. If you intend to take an inappropriate action, and it leads to an unintended unfortunate consequence, you are responsible for the consequence. Thus, if the court finds that the push was appropriate, no problem, but if the court finds it was inappropriate, then police are responsible for an assault.
At least as troubling to me as the actual push is that when a policeman saw him lying there in a pool of blood, and went to try to help, he was pushed away by other police, and the man was allowed to just lie there in a growing pool of blood. The police would have gotten a lot more sympathy (and probably would not have been charged) if they had immediately helped him, and called for medics.
As for Trump’s tweet, it baffles me. Why make a tweet that will upset the majority of people, and please only the small minority that want to blame the victim? Why not just let the justice system process it, and let the facts speak for themselves?
Happy to respond to a civil comment … unlike the STFU comment above 🙂
Agree with the legal argument, to judge whether the push was appropriate or not. In the circumstances – a protest march, police in riot gear blocking / advancing towards you – in these circs, the inappropriate action seems to be this old man still pushing forward.
As for Trump I agree it is baffling. But the man has proved over and over again that he is an idiot. He just keeps making more and more enemies without any benefit to himself.
Crowd control personnel on a skirmish line are not supposed to help anyone who ends up injured (even other skirmish line members) for two reasons: First, they are usually trained in only rudimentary first aid so their help ins’t going to amount to much if better personnel are available, and second, if they stop to help anyone, they compromise the line. And in crowd control, the line (especially when it’s moving) is the most important thing.
If they had continued the video, you would have seen two things: First, you would have seen another line of officers behind the initial line – their job is to fill gaps if an officer up front is injured and to arrest anyone in the crowd who is incapacitated and ends up behind the line. And then you would have seen paramedics and other medical staff (much more effective than police officers) who reached the injured man less than one minute after he was injured.
Lots of blood instantly and then stopped. Never seen anything like it.
Put your hands near my crotch, down goes Frazier as Cosell would say.
I just came here to watch the cultists explain this one.
Deepstate? Soros? FakeNews? TheNarrative?
But you’re not in the cult. Let them answer!
The move was praised by members of the state’s congressional delegation and Gov. Michael J. Dunleavy (R), who called it “a step toward acknowledging Alaska’s rightful control over fish and wildlife resources all across the state.”
Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) said the decision “protects Alaska’s hunting and fishing traditions and upholds long-standing states’ rights,” and she thanked Interior Secretary David Bernhardt for encouraging and signing the rule.
This is the same problem faced by many Western states. They have been fighting to regain control over wildlife management from the feds. Which is fine enough.
Problem is, the way politics work in current day unlimited-government democracies; the people that the states have had to ally themselves with to beat back the feds wrt wildlife; for lobbying as well as votes and donations; are often limit-case stereotypical “Trumplings.” Or Chavs, as they call them in Britain. I.e, people attempting to make up for their own perceived bottom-of-the-totempole impotence and low self esteem, by reflexively pounding their chest and cheering for anything which they perceive to normally be considered “cruel.” As to them, being “mean” and “aggressive” means being “badass” means being “tough…..” Kind of like “Talk softly and carry a big stick” in reverse: When your stick ain’t all that, try to make up for it by being loud, annoying and distasteful….
So, now you have legislators in Wyoming, Alaska and elsewhere dependent on bear baiters; people who run down, and sometimes over, coyotes and wolves with snowmachines, ATVs and even cars (sometimes repeatedly, letting the animals get up and hobble away for awhile before running over them again….); people who pen animals in fenced enclosures to let dogs rip them apart etc.; for their office, support and donations. Just as Trump has become dependent on yahoos who think it is somehow “cool” and “tough” to tweet “mean” things about Mexicans.
To be honest, letting people kill whatever they want, whenever they want, is sickening. And most of what you describe is animal cruelty, which is a precursor to human-on-human cruelty.
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Ageism is unfortunately prevalent throughout society, even on this blog. If this fellow were a 20-30 something in black attire with hobnail boots, there would no story.
And, not to fan the flames of the generally silly “racism” screeching so fashionable today, but imagine he was a black guy to boot.
Problem is, the entire culture has devolved into a women’s mag “feel,” “deem,” “hold,” “find” fest. unless laws and their interpretation, are simple enough that both are entirely obvious to anyone, “rule of law” differs in no way at all from “arbitrary law.”
American jurisprudence was the envy of the world, back when the only question was did Bob take a ride on horse he did not own? If so, then hang Bob.
Applied to this: Did Cop physically harm Gugino?
If No, leave cop alone.
If Yes, was Gugino directly threatening cop’s life? If yes, leave cop alone.
If not, hang cop.
Move on.
“Body language analysis,” celebrity opinions, whether Gugino was 2, 25 or 75 or Biden’s age, TV talk show hosts, whether Gugino had posted nazi nonsense on Facebook and scared babies by making mean faces to them, whether the cop is a moonlights as a Klansman on the side blah, blah, has exactly no bearing on any of it.
It was a dumbass thing to post on Twitter.
Reminds me why I don’t do social media. So many people think they have to post every single dumbass thought that floats through their heads.
People see me and the first thing they say is, “…where you been all this time”. I answer, “Not on social media… (where they live)”. It’s like a fu**ing disease.
This could launch Gugino’s political career, since 75 seems to be an ideal age to run for office in this goofy country.
Not to defend Trump here, but if anyone is going to kick a senior citizen while they’re down, it should be another old person. Elderly on elderly crime seems somehow less reprehensible.
Jerome Corsi had the answer to some of these questions on Coast to Coast AM last night during the promotion of his new book.
Basically Vlad Putin and Nancy Pelosi and China’s Xi will gather the majority of the Cabinet appointees to judge Trump mentally incompetent and remove him from office.
But, he will be re-elected.
Trump is Putin’s boy. The Russian Mafia launders money through Deutsche Bank to fund Trump. They own him lock stock and barrel.
It is claimed he was using an app like this to identify the police frequency for some reason. I am not supporting this claim, just adding information. Never saw a protester walk up to riot police waving a cell phone at their waist before.
link to techradar.com,the%20digital%20signals%20around%20you.
Same thought occurred to me. But, it’s still a ridiculous defense. (Not that you were using it as such.). There’s no reason to shove people so forcefully they lose their balance. People using it as a “defense” are being cruel. And for what? To defend their “guy”? Sick.
He clearly had Lizard People tech in his hand, and they were controlling him with a 5G brain implant. The police were just trying to disable the brain implant by smacking his head.
Well, the latest spin from the right-wing nutjobs is that Gugino has been protesting before at many events over the decades and therefore he should have known not to provoke the police.
For example “No normal senior citizen would walk into a line of police officers and aggressively confront them unless he was another Deep State operative like George Floyd.”
I am still waiting for my secret Trump bullshit decoder ring in the mail… Obviously, Trump slowed down the delivery system specifically to prevent us from getting our high tech tools.