Irony of the Day: NATO Vows to Defend the Nord Steam Pipeline From Attack

Nord Stream image from Tweet below, with translation.

NATO Formally Blames Sabotage for Nord Stream Pipeline Damage

When Russia shut pipelines do to leaks, few believed there were leaks. But now, major explosions in the pipeline lead to a new question. Who’s responsible for the sabotage?

Please consider NATO Formally Blames Sabotage for Nord Stream Pipeline Damage

NATO said that a series of leaks on the Nord Stream pipelines between Russia and Europe were the result of sabotage and that attacks on its members’ infrastructure would be met with a collective response from the military alliance.

The statement, from the North Atlantic Council, the decision-making body of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, didn’t provide details or evidence. It also noted that the damage to the pipelines occurred in international waters. But it marks the first time the alliance has formally warned that it would deter and defend against attacks on its members’ critical infrastructure following the now four documented leaks in the Nord Stream and Nord Stream 2 pipelines.

At a NATO meeting Wednesday evening, Danish officials said the pipelines were damaged by several explosions Monday with the force of 500 kilograms of TNT (about 1,100 pounds), officials familiar with the discussions said.

Swedish and Danish authorities said Thursday that a total of four leaks—two in the waters of each country—had been verified. The Swedish Coast Guard said the fourth leak—the second in Swedish waters-—was discovered earlier this week around the same time as the first. The second leak is smaller, and emissions from that leak are weakening, according to the agency’s ongoing surveillance of the site.

The Nord Stream pipelines are vast, laid mostly along the seabed, each more than 750 miles long. The explosions were large enough to be detected by seismographs in Sweden.

The leaks raised nerves among traders about the prospect for further supply disruptions. Russia had already throttled gas exports to Europe in recent months in what European officials have called an economic attack.

Pipeline Attacks 

“The sabotage of the Nordstream pipelines is of deep concern. #NATO is committed to deter and defend against hybrid attacks. “

“Any deliberate attack against Allies’ critical infrastructure would be met with a united and determined response,” said Jens Stoltenberg, NATO Secretary General.

Determined Response

What’s does “determined response” mean? War with Russia?

Is Russia sabotaging it’s own pipeline? Why?

Stranger things have happened, but I fail to see why Russia would do this. Russia could easily shut off all supply without resorting to destroying the pipelines.

Forbes Blames Russia 

Explosion Location

Whose Best Interest is Served?

Whose best interest is it to get a NATO response? Russia, Poland, Ukraine, US? 

I have no firm opinion, but as long as we are getting into unfounded allegations, here’s another one. 

Please consider the Russian response.

Kremlin Presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov replied “This area is the Baltic Sea. There were many more aircraft, ships or other marine vehicles from NATO countries there. So, these reports [of Russia’s involvement] are absolutely ridiculous…and biased.

Irony of the Day 

Europe wants to wean itself from Russian oil and gas, but apparently not now. 

And NATO vows to keep the pipeline operational but no European county wants to use it. 

Strike that. No European country wants to admit they still want the pipeline. 

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michiganmoon
michiganmoon
1 year ago
The only reason I think Russia might do it, is if there is a fear that Putin is replaced and the next Russian leader turns the pipe back online.
Otherwise the US makes more sense.
Pontius
Pontius
1 year ago
How do you stiffen weak backs of a few European allies? Cortez burned the ships carrying his men to make them sufficiently “committed.” Germany, Italy and a few few other “allies” might be tempted to waiver this winter and seek to negotiate settlement with Russia to turn the gas back on. No longer an option. Now who has the motive and capacity to act? Who threatened only months earlier to do what it takes to shut the pipeline down? Where is Peter Falk when needed. Not hard guys/gals/thems. But they denied stating such thoughts are absurd. You forget they no longer even attempt to disguise the fact they are lying to you.
Cocoa
Cocoa
1 year ago
Who benefits? Saudis and Qatar once THEIR pipeline gets finished to EU. Syriana anyone?
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
1 year ago
Reply to  Cocoa
You’re getting closer……..
Cocoa
Cocoa
1 year ago
Biden threatened the pipes in Feb. There is NO interest in Russia blowing up their investments and assets. Especially after a long winter EU will be begging. EU sadly is a pawn and they are going to suffer badly. USA wants to crater the EU apparently and Russia. And they are all helping to do it???
LM2022
LM2022
1 year ago
So at the same time Putin announces the annexation of Ukrainian territories he doesn’t control he also accuses the US of sabotaging the pipeline. And how quickly Russia and its allies had video evidence of Biden making veiled threats in February about the pipeline. Almost like they had it queued up and ready to go…
The US didn’t need to destroy the pipeline. The west is unified more or less around support for Ukraine and Putin is losing his war of choice badly. Clearly Putin is escalating and clearly he’s crazy.
Good to see the Blame America First crowd out in force on this thread, though.
prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
Reply to  LM2022
“… how quickly Russia and its allies had video evidence of Biden making veiled threats… “
That’s the best you’ve got?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  LM2022
Seriously? If the US ‘didn’t need to destroy the pipeline’ why would president Cluster Fudge say the US would destroy it?
As for ‘video evidence’, is shooting the messenger the best you can do?
LM2022
LM2022
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Cluster Fudge didn’t say he’d destroy it, comrade. That’s pure Russian propaganda. He merely promised what you already saw – a European boycott.
Pontius
Pontius
1 year ago
Reply to  LM2022
Not or paid human member of deep state. Transferred from the Hunter laptop Russian disinformation team at Langley?
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
“Forbes Blames Russia”
without any evidence. Aren’t news organizations supposed to investigate before reporting?
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
News organizations don’t investigate anything. They echo whatever backs their political position.
GruesomeHarvest
GruesomeHarvest
1 year ago
It is so obvious that someone in the pro Ukraine camp did this. Most likely the US since it is consistent with the recklessness and stupidity of the Biden Administration. If I were Germany I would exit NATO. It’s just a useless organization whose purpose seems to be to cause problems and waste money. And what about Russia? What will they do? Is this the new norm where idiots thinking they are clever destroy billion dollar infrastructure projects? Of course they don’t need to do anything. The US is busy destroying itself from within with its leftist woke agenda.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Typical Hanoi Jane … certainty with no knowledge, just a love for communists.
dpy
dpy
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Russia has not been “communist” for decades.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  dpy
It’s been a dictatorship since Stalin. If it isn’t communist now, it never was.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
What you see as ‘love for communists’ is a thoughtful and critical response with regard to national motivations to undertake such a crime. Let’s never forget that this is the same US that faked evidence to impeach a president, covered up for Obama’s administration, overlooked gross negligence of Hillary Clinton’s server, etc etc. It is a very long list of treasonous acts, all okay for Democraps because… they are evil.
Not evil, you say! These are the same Democraps who operated the KKK about the same time as Hanoi Jane, only now they have the MSM on their side.
Best to leave Hanoi Jane in the trash can of history and start being critical of your own country. Maybe it can be repaired.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
America: love it or leave it.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
1 year ago
“It is so obvious that someone in the pro Ukraine camp did this. Most likely the US..”
Not “Pro Ukraine.” Anti “Cheap, reliable Russian energy for Europe.”
If it was a US planned operation, someone will be on Oprah in a week, taking credit. Ditto on “Olga” if it was a Russian one.
prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
The interesting question now is: what will Olaf Scholz do? He’s just been made to publicly bend over and take it up the backdoor from a country he thought was an ally. Very humiliating. Will he just take it and pretend nothing happened, hiding behind the “it was Russia” BS that no one believes? Or will he grow a pair and start to move his country towards independence? He’s a weak weasel so I don’t have much hope, but you never know!
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
How does Europe evolve going forward? Europe is rapidly gaining 3rd world status. When your pensions gone, your unemployed, hungry, freezing, etc. and you see the US attacking your existence, how do you react?
The Europeans will begin to seriously ask themselves who their allies are?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
I suspect this might be a Black Swan event that costs the US many of its allies–assuming it turns out be carried out by the US or a vassal state.
Pontius
Pontius
1 year ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12

Colonialism not such a good thing from the other side. Europe to become colony of the states to do their bidding.

StukiMoi
StukiMoi
1 year ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
Russia has always been a natural German ally (Hence, given the size/might of the two in concert, keeping the two apart have been a largely permanent occupation of all those who like to consider themselves their “rivals.”) Lunatic “leaders”, both German and Russian, have on occasion managed to temporarily paper over their natural affinity, but only for short periods of time.
Next time, the pair will run their pipes overland. Through Poland and Belarus. Fragile, spread out installations on the sea bottom, are pretty much fundamentally indefensible. Drones on land and in the air are “democratising” warfare in their own right (cue Houthis giving Saudi installations headaches…) . But underseas, they render nearly any discrepancy in military size, wealth and sophistication almost entirely irrelevant. A couple of only half savvy, ageing, nudist German sailors wanting to relive their RAF glory days, could have blown holes in these pipes.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
My guess is Germany will ally with Russia and China since they have what they need. And the rest of mainland Europe will follow since Germany basically owns them.
At that point, the US will be on an island with Canada and maybe Great Britain.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
In this day and age, there has to be a lot of video evidence and logs to look at. Ships wouldn’t just appear out of nowhere. Governments know what ships traversed the area and what their cargo was. They track every movement. I read the area is impassible to subs, so it had to be ships.
The fact that none of this has been reported means EU governments don’t want anyone to know. And if there was evidence it was Russia, they would want everyone to know.
GruesomeHarvest
GruesomeHarvest
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Common sense says Russia didn’t do it. It is an absurd to suggest and anyone who does must think that their audience are idiots.
dpy
dpy
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Spot on, and there was plenty of evidence that came out on day 1 about the US military ships and helicopters in the immediate area at the perfect time to set this up – much more evidence than the Blackhawk helicopters mentioned above. It is disappointing but telling to see all of the people blathering on the news about how it is impossible to imagine the US dointg this. OTOH, the US has been trying to block the sale of Russian energy to Europe for as long as it has been going on. And threatening specifically to stop Nordstream in reaction to Ukraine.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  dpy
It is so obvious–maybe too obvious–almost as if the US wanted the world to know. Perhaps the Navy was tasked to destroy the pipeline by president Cluster Fudge and the military deliberately screwed it up? Just a random thought, but after the retreat from Afghanistan, anything is possible.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Certainty with no knowledge is idiocy.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
A thousand pounds of high explosives at most (but easily traceable with samples). US Navy has stealth vessels and small submarines (and drone subs), so they would not appear on radar. It has been my experience that AIS is usually turned off on most Navy ships.
Hansa Junchun
Hansa Junchun
1 year ago
This isn’t the blowing up of Russian pipelines — this is the blowing up of half-German-owned pipelines. Both were paid for by a consortium of Russian and German energy corporations with lots of funding from both governments. It was a true partnership. Thus, the act of sabotage is an act of war upon the German Federal Republic as well as the Russian Federation.
Interestingly, the gas contracts still stand. I believe Germany is on the hook for $40 billion per year in gas purchases for the next 10 years. This contract was signed before the Traffic Light coalition came to power and suspended the opening of Nordstream 2. The pipeline HAD to open following the Greens’ demands for compliance inspections, because of these contracts.
Now will the German government renege on the contracts because gas cannot flow through them? Will they tear up a legal contract over someone else’s war? Or will they find the culprits and demand THEY foot the bill?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Hansa Junchun
Wanna bet the US transfers $40 billion to Germany?
prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
Here’s what happens next (you read it here first!)…
There will be a “NATO” (i.e. US) investigation that will examine the sea bed near the leaks and they will find an empty vodka bottle and the chemical signature of a type of explosive only used by the Russians. Proof positive!
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
Sounds a lot like Flight MH-17.
dadbod
dadbod
1 year ago
I hear reports of a British sub next to the breach with a vacuum hose? The pound bounce comin up!
Dutoit
Dutoit
1 year ago
I this all this is well described here
Christoball
Christoball
1 year ago
This will probably turn out to be one of those “He who smelt it dealt it” kind of things.
Christoball
Christoball
1 year ago
This will probably turn out to be one of those “He who smelt it dealt” kind of things.
GruesomeHarvest
GruesomeHarvest
1 year ago
Reply to  Christoball
Is this something akin to Godwin’s law, except for farts? Ah, potty humor. 😂
Christoball
Christoball
1 year ago
Lets not drag Hitler into the discussion. oops!!! Anyway The United States is going to be pointing all the fingers, need I say more.
prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
To me this seems like a last (hopefully), desperate act by the Biden administration. They know their war in Ukraine is lost. It’s a Hail Mary shot aimed at removing a source of income for Russia and removing Russian’s biggest bargaining-chip with the EU over sanctions. Furthermore, they can blame it on Russia and the endlessly gullible US public will most likely believe it.
I can’t help thinking that the US has miscalculated once again. How many times can you throw your allies under a bus and get away with it? If the US continues down this path they may soon find they don’t have any friends. How I wish we had some adults in charge!
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
Or they plan to put the crime on Russia–a repeat of MH-17. Wasn’t president Cluster Fudge the VP when that happened? July 17, 2014–why yes he was. What a surprise? We know he isn’t very bright, and resorts to plagiarism.
Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
You really do work for Russia, yes?
prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
The idea that Russia did this is as ridiculous as the idea that Russia has been shelling the Zaporozhye nuclear plant that they themselves occupy and have for months. Even the NYT finally realized the absurdity of this narrative and admitted that it is the Ukrainians shelling the nuclear plant.
One wonders what will happen when the slow Germans finally figure out who it was who sabotaged the pipelines. The Teutonic mind may be plodding and stubborn, but eventually even they must see it. Will this trigger a change of attitude towards the US?
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
Well, no. The brainwashing in Germany is too deep.
Notice the difference between former East and West. The East endured the long communist propaganda that was primitive by nature. They are more immune to the slick imperial offering.
GruesomeHarvest
GruesomeHarvest
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
“The teutonic mind may be plodding and stubborn” Obviously you don’t know much history. Germany’s contribution to the Western canon is very significant. And look how they bounced back after WW2 with the total desolation of their country. The problem with Germany has been the mind control imposed after the war by the war criminal Allies.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
I suspect certain Germans are much smarter than we give them credit. Personally, I think Greta did it.
GruesomeHarvest
GruesomeHarvest
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I think you may be on to something! A false flag by Greta. “How dare she!”
JRM
JRM
1 year ago
Forgot to mention the former Polish Defense Minister actually laid blame quickly after the explosions!!!
He pointed the finger at the United States!!!!
prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
Reply to  JRM
I think anyone with any common sense knows it was the US (or possibly one of its vassal states, such as the UK, under instructions from Big Dog).
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  JRM
But Poland also has potential gains by blowing up the pipeline
prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
Absolutely astonishing for the US to do this to such an important ally as Germany. We now have the most reckless administration in power we have ever had. They have no bounds, no self-control and no analytical ability. Lord help us all.
JRM
JRM
1 year ago
Coincidence that over 10,000 German protest was demanding they turn on Nordstream 2, after their successful protest they announced another for next weekend and expected over 25,000 protesters…
NATO was trying to stifle these protests!!!
US warship was transiting the area and turned off their tracker for a while!!!! Why would they turn of their tracker???
Swedish newspaper reported that the US ships were there for an exercise and had elite US Navy Seals on board with deep diving demolition expertise!!!! Another coincidence!!!
GruesomeHarvest
GruesomeHarvest
1 year ago
Reply to  JRM
Exactly! If political pressure for turning on Nordstrem became too great, then Germany politician might have folded. That could not be allowed by the neocon psychopaths demanding that Russia must bleed.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  JRM
Too many coincidences makes this a pattern. Some are so dumb or unlikely they might be deliberate.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
OK. Declare force majeure, tear up contracts, everybody go home.
Russia wants functioning pipelines to the EU, with or without Putin.
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
1 year ago
Wait for a happy conclusion to the Ukraine War in the next week or two. Just in time for US elections.
Meanwhile, NATO, dastardly traitorous, has gone over to the other side! They are committing to defending Russia’s new, main LNG pipeline to Europe! Hurray! Squash those greedy Canadian and US gas companies dreaming of replacing Europe’s Russian gas with North American gas.
billybobjr
billybobjr
1 year ago
Biden = Weekend at Bernie’s . He can’t find his way on or off the stage. Whoever his handlers are are running the country
blowing up a pipeline in international or neutral waters is a serious escalation . It brings into play EMP attacks and all kinds
of sabotage on soft economic targets when you start down that road . Most Americans will not fair well with no cell, internet
and no power for any length of time. Of course US will be blamed when the president makes a specific claim to do something and then it
happens .
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  billybobjr
When you elect a person with obvious dementia, a liar, corrupt, and with a low IQ to begin with, there are consequences,
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Does two in a row count for extra points?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Funny, I thought the same thing. What does it say about the voters?
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  billybobjr
Escalating to an EMP is a huge escalation. It would also hurt Russia and their allies. I doubt Russia would be insane enough to do that.
The smart thing for them to do is nothing. Just keep making the US look bad to the rest of world.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Actually, making the US look bad might be what Putin wants, but hardly seems worth the effort, so very unlikely.
GruesomeHarvest
GruesomeHarvest
1 year ago
Reply to  billybobjr
I think Russia is the grown up in this conflict. I don’t think they will escalate since that leads to a series of tit for tates and possibly a wider war. But the US will pay a big price. This could fracture the EU and NATO and dramatically decrease US influence.
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
It will be like JFK or Scripal (handler was Paulo Miller, ex-MI6 Moscow chief and partner of Christopher Steel in Orbis, protected by UK D-notices) Novichok. No definitive evidence will ever emerge, or should we say, ‘surface’.
Anybody with an IQ>room temperature will know they are not being told the truth.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej
It depends who investigates. Otherwise it is Wuhan all over again.
RyanL
RyanL
1 year ago
Russia blowing up its own pipeline as part of its soft war with Europe is like Amazon blowing up its delivery vans as part of their e-commerce war with Walmart. This explanation simply makes no sense.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
1 year ago
Reply to  RyanL
Neither does jet fuel taking down 3 skyscrapers (though only 2 were hit). All falling into their own foundation. But people bought that right on up. People are slaves who’ll believe whatever they’re told just so they won’t have to think for themselves.
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
Jet fuel didn’t take down 3 skyscrapers, totally out of control fires did. Contents of the offices fed the fire after the jet fuel was consumed. The NYFD never got into the main fire zone of either tower.
The top 30 floors of WTC2 tipped over to the east as the structure collapsed. Just inside the east wall was where the jetliner struck. The most intense fire was in the east part of the building. The Towers fell both inside and outside their foundation, which was why WTC7 was damaged along the south wall and southwest corner, as well as other WTC buildings.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
Sorry, but there is nothing about your statement that makes any sense whatsoever. You have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about, nor are you worthy of wasting any more of my time with your inbred logic.
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
My statement is backed up by evidence. Your response is nothing more than emotion.
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
“You have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about, nor are you
worthy of wasting any more of my time with your inbred logic.”
An emotional statement.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
Sorry, but Ron is right. Each plane stripped out the fireproofing on floor trusses. Jet fuel does not burn hot enough, however, plastics ignited in the office (most everything is plastic) which burned hot enough to lower the strength of THIN steel trusses. There was also a blast-furnace effect with wind blowing through at that altitude. The trusses deflected enough to break away from main I-beam supports, and crashed to the floor below. This exceeded the load capacity of that lower floor, which crashed to the next floor down. You can see it happen in the progressive failure.–floors dropped, beams and columns remaining for a few seconds, then collapsing.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I’m sorry, but you are just as ignorant as the other. The structure was far more sophisticated than your hillbilly engineering abilities. Basically, all you’ve done is prove my point that the slave mind will just believe whatever they’re told. Ignorance like yours is the real problem in this world. And now, ignore.
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
Neither of us is ignorant. Nothing in your comments disproved what we said. In fact, the structural design fed into the failure of the Towers.
The new WTC1 has a concrete lined core, which the original did not. The floor trusses of the original connected to the outer wall by flanges, easily stripped connection points, from tons of weight falling onto each truss from the floor above.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
I see. That’s why WTC7 fell straight down without being hit and for a while fell at about 32ft/sec/sec, almost free fall.
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
WTC7 was hit by debris from a collapsing WTC1. An inconvenient fact to critics. That started fires on multiple floors of WTC7. Totally uncontrolled fire is the common denominator to all three buildings that collapsed. That is a simple fact. WTC7 was a progressive collapse. Floors below the East Penthouse collapsed first, followed by the East Penthouse on the roof. A momentary pause and the West Penthouse started to descend, followed by a frame or two, the rest of the structure. There is no video of the lower part of the structure as it collapsed.
There was a fire, i believe on the 8th floor, which worked its way across the whole building. Floor to ceiling flames were photographed pouring out the windows on the east wall. The east section was where the collapse began and may have centered on the 8th floor fire zone.
The NYFD was pulled out of the structure earlier in the day, as they expected it to collapse, as the Towers had. As to the speed of the collapse, the approximately top 15 floors of WTC1 accelerated into floors directly below, when its collapse began. There was nothing to hold those floors up anymore. Same was true of WTC7. It was a natural event.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
WTC7 failed for different reasons.–see here link to en.wikipedia.org
It is through and accurate. Limited water was key and enough firemen died, so with no one inside the building, fighting the fire was NOT a priority.
To be clear, why it fell quickly is because the (unusual) structural support system failed catastrophically.
Call_Me
Call_Me
1 year ago
One should note those who are throwing out accusations as to what person or group perpetrated this act, including posters on this forum, and thank them for helping to bring the guilty to justice! (/sarc)
U.S. officials have threatened shutting off a pipeline that is beyond their jurisdiction, but Russia, Ukraine, NATO, and several other nations and non-national groups (i.e. covert, war-mongering ‘intelligence’ agencies) could be construed as benefitting in some manner. Perhaps the facts will be revealed some distant day in the future when laying blame is merely academic, but the malicious actors are not known at this time.
Call_Me_Al
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Call_Me
“…Perhaps the facts will be revealed some distant day in the future when laying blame is merely academic…”
It is not about bringing anyone to justice. Rather, I see observations of how mind-control permeates society. When you finally realize you were conned (for example, Russiagate) no one cares. Critical thinking requires being critical, not falling in line.
Call_Me
Call_Me
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
If only it weren’t so much effort, then maybe more people would do it! In some justifiable sense, grinding away for 40-80 hours/week to subsist usually leaves a person with no drive to engage in higher-level thought. That said, regardless of their opinions, I try to appreciate and encourage those who exhibit what I perceive as critical thought.
In the meantime, a blowhard businessman spouts a catch phrase on a network show and somehow ends up the political savior to millions. A political insider for the past 2+ generations who failed become head of state when he was lucid ends up being the ‘hero’ of the downtrodden while grafting his extended family to the top. Both have their legion who will shout down the other side, mindlessly having faith that they are in the right. It’s a little short of inspirational.
Call_Me_Al
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Call_Me
Being honest, if a person was capable of ‘higher-level thought’, chances are he/she would not be grinding away for 40-80 hours to subsist.
The problem is past behavior is also prologue. Trump has not changed, and neither has Biden. Unless we think with a clear and critical mind we never see them for what they are. My comment, ‘observations of how mind-control permeates society’ is crucial. For both sides!
Call_Me
Call_Me
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Perhaps I think more are capable of it than you do, one’s perspective would then lead you to label me naive as opposed to an optimist 🙂
Call_Me_Al
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Safe and effective.
Rbm
Rbm
1 year ago
Reply to  Call_Me
Yeah time will tell but by then there will be some other news on the front page and know one cares about whats on page 7.
I think we would all be better off if we focused on page 7 more and front page less.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
1 year ago
Reply to  Call_Me
“…several other nations and non-national groups (i.e. covert, war-mongering ‘intelligence’ agencies)…”
Much more fundamentally important than the specific whodunit it this specific instance, is that, near literally, almost anyone could have done it. And still can. And that this is true for near any undersea pipe. Now, and in the future. With very little anyone, even self proclaimed “superpowers,” can do about it.
Russia, for all its “doomsday” subs and fearsome “undersea fleet,” still couldn’t defend the length of this pipe. Even just against an imaginary 16 year old Greta Thunberg in her little sailboat, carrying a couple of fellow aspies bent on reducing European fossil fuel dependence by any means necessary.
Chalk it up to being made aware that yet another creaky, expensive cardhouse hailed as “progress” by the easily suckered, turns out to be little more than just another unrealistic, ultimately irrelevant, chimera. And to being, yet again, reminded that for you to own something, you have to both 1)be able to build and/or trade for and/or steal it, AND 2)be able and willing to defend and protect it. Playing ostrich, pretending “thiiiingz are diiiferent now” and 2) no longer applies, only works in lalaland and childrens fantasies.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Biden’s threat is old news. It took until now to carry it out.
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
More importantly, Victoria Nuland said the same thing.
And the US has been trying to stop the thing for more than half a decade.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej
Another Biden group-think-cluster-fudge, and no one has the ballz to say, ‘not a good idea.’ The deep state continues.
RunnerDan
RunnerDan
1 year ago
A war with Russia could be an excuse to lockdown the country and rig the upcoming election, no?
Call_Me
Call_Me
1 year ago
Whose Best Interest is Served?”
No one’s, really, therefore I propose spontaneous combustion is the culprit.
Call_Me_Al
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  Call_Me
On 2 pipelines at the same time?
Call_Me
Call_Me
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Spontaneous combustion went out of fashion in the 19th century – just using it to inject a little mirth into the thread. Figured the idea/notion would be outlandish enough that the sarcasm didn’t need to be noted, evidently I was incorrect 🙂
Call_Me_Al
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
After Nov election there might be a change in our policy towards Ukraine. Risk off after Putin threats. Biden is not a war president.
US want many friends, who can fight for their own survival with US weapons, but not risk our survival for them.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
Biden has dementia. He’s a vegetable.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
The democratic party is the war party now. Not the republicans. The democrats have become the republicans during the cold war era.
Billy
Billy
1 year ago
Anyone who purchases oil from the Nord Steam pipeline is contributing to the pollution and destruction of our planet causing irreversible climate change.
For the safety of the citizens of Earth, We cannot allow this and we must take action.
Sincerely,
Your friends at The World Economic Forum
Yooper
Yooper
1 year ago
Reply to  Billy
If they really were committed, they would’ve lit the boiling sea on fire since once burned, the environmental impact would be 1/80th of what is now (CO2 v methane impact)(according to the WEF)
…and it would’ve been really cool to see 🙂
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  Billy
No oi. It’s natural gas. Kind ‘a elementary to know before pontificating on anything.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej
And here I always thought that natural gas was flammable and burned to CO2 and water.
Perhaps you should understand comments before pontificating.
Billy
Billy
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
It doesn’t need to make scientifically sense to scare people into control.
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Indeed, but it still ain’t oil.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Germany did it with a wink and a nod from everyone else.
Yooper
Yooper
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
What?!? Hope there was a sarc there… 🙂
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Yooper
No sarcasm.
Yooper
Yooper
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Germany would’ve turned the thing back on for their energy needs, and charged the rest of Europe for the remainder. That would’ve broken the UK/US sanctions to pieces. We can’t have that now, can we? Now, what are they going to do? freeze this winter? they now have little recourse but the Ukrainian pipeline, and that’s just a bomb away from stopping too.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Yooper
No one in the German government wanted to take the risk that certain German companies could use that argument to break the sanctions so they eliminated the temptation. There are some pro-Putin businessmen there that have been quite active in lobbying to turn the gas back on. They do it and say nothing. Most people suspect the US or Russia because it’s the knee-jerk rection. The German govt sent a very powerful message. Russian energy is finished in Europe. Get used to it and start planning.
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Russian energy s finished in Europe ?….Europe is finished rather and that s exactly what your rogue nation wanted all along , like I said so many times before …..TIME TO GO HOME YANK ! That s were you belong …..your fckn nation is to blame for everything that s going wrong on the fckn planet ….
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
Russia needs to get out of Europe.
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  Yooper
Germany is contractually obligated to pay until 2030, gas or no gas [says in the contracts].
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej
That sounds like it will be in litigation for fifty years.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Germany, seriously?
Iran is a possible suspect. So is Saudi Arabia. They have the most to gain if they go undetected. A sample of the explosive used will be the start, unless the explosive is deliberately used as a distraction–US is also a possible candidate. Possibly nonaligned terrorists. Like bringing down the US grid in winter–easy to do with strategically placed explosives on (unguarded) major towers. A few interruptions and it fails all over.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
You don’t need explosives for towers.
Properly placed thermite is sufficient.
JRM
JRM
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
You mean all the US made C-4 roaming the world!!!
Iran has been caught using US made C-4 in some of their terrorist attacks!!!
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Only a government could have pulled this off. Most likely more than one.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
It’s only 70 meters deep. Anybody in offshore oil business has mini-subs and divers able to do it.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
If you, representing the CIA, says it’s Germany, Then it’s definitely not Russia.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
The first casualty of war is the truth.
It’s possible that it may be years or decades before we know the truth of who sabotaged the pipeline just like it took decades to discover the false flag that started the Vietnam war involvement by the USA.
Just because a country like the US or Russia has no vested interest (in general terms) in destroying the pipeline doesn’t mean there aren’t factions within those countries (or other countries) that do have a vested interest in destroying it. Remember Malaysia flight 17 that was shot down in 2014 with everyone denying they did it and saying they had no vested interest in doing it. Well some one did it even if we still don’t know today who did it. There are plenty of factions within countries who have vested interest in destroying aircraft and pipelines etc.
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Incontrovertible evidence is unlikely to surface, so to say.
Especially when so many want it not to.
MH17 BUK rockets would have been registered by US keyhole satellites. US was also in the vicinity for SeaBreeze exercises (emphasis intel and communications).
Unthinkable the US could sense nothing: Otherwise they would not know if Russia launched a nuclear strike at them.
The fact that they refuse to provide evidence is very suspicious and means that they don’t want the truth to get out.
Yooper
Yooper
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej
Apologies, I followed this closely… “They” being the US?
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  Yooper
Yes, US. Has been asked officially at the highest levels for satellite evidence by Dutch authorities & courts, but refuse to do so.
They have by far the best satellite surveillance.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Who had the most to gain by shooting it down?…. UKRAINE or Russian separatists. Russian warhead from a radar-guided missile fired from a Buk, and the blame falls on Russia.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Victoria and Hunter had the most to gain.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
After WWII US and USSR dissected the world. US dollar was pegged to 35. In the 50’s US dollar was the strongest currency
the world. Other nation sold us gold in exchange for dollars. After LBJ printing US dollar deflated relative to other currencies. Gold was worth more than US dollar. De Gaulle demanded gold. US gold reserves fell below the min threshold. Nixon divorce gold. // This week DXY reached 114…a weekly trigger. DXY might close below Sept 5 low…
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
1 year ago
Trump was adamantly against the gas pipeline. Maybe he had something to do with it.
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
Or natGas future traders, needed force majeure, act of God, to get out of their short positions.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej
How likely is it that ‘natGas future traders’ would have the expertise?
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Or the submarine?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
Watch the video: link to newsweek.com
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
The DNC will be producing a commercial blaming Trump.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
1 year ago
It is taking too long for the CIA psyop team to come up with the explanation that would blame it on Russia. To their credit, the task is almost impossible: Russia could have just shut down the flow. The fallback option is to come up with something that will satisfy the low end of the gene pool, but there is a risk: it could awaken the higher strata that they are showered with propaganda.
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Russia doesn’t need an excuse to turn it off … Europe is refusing to buy.
Russia lost $500-800 million in gas, and lost one of its most valuable assets.
Russia’s political leverage is far greater with an on/off switch than with nothing in hand.
The attempts to blame Russia will rival Scripal novichok explanations for disiningenuity and incredulity.
The general question will be to out people with an IQ < office paper grams/m²
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej
It will come out, but maybe with a 50-year delay.
The sinking of Lusitania was blamed on the barbaric “Huns”, but even then some knew it was transporting explosives from the “neutral” USA.
Two years later, it was used as a pretext for US to enter the war, and cover up the British interception of the Zimmerman telegraph.
Some peeps are too dumb to learn, or believe what they want to believe.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Anyone who believes CNN or the view, will believe anything.
Jackula
Jackula
1 year ago
I think our “fantastic” governor Gavin Newsome summed it up aptly with his recent quote: “President Biden hardwired to a different world”. Whom has been egging this conflict on from day one?
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Jackula
Newsome wants to be president so bad that everyone else can taste it.
Yooper
Yooper
1 year ago
Reply to  Jackula
Well, it would seem he was a VP when the Ukraine suddenly decided they were “pro-western” under Hillary and Obama, and a hookers-n-blow artist was named as the head of an energy company. All got quiet until, hey, the former VP is now Pres-o-dent, and it all starts over again…
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
1 year ago
Reply to  Yooper
The Bidens have a great deal invested in Ukraine and have made millions from their ventures there. Hunter was on the Burisma board and then Joe got a prosecutor fired.
The Biden administration has doubled down and doubled down and it is not likely to quit. The Neocons will not take it lightly as their Ukraine project falls apart on them. I would expect Biden to continue further on doubling down and we can expect upgrades on the US attacking European energy infrastructure.
Nuland-F the EU
The US neocons are doing a pretty good job.
Yooper
Yooper
1 year ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
Wish there was more than just a “like”button for this post!
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
Keep it up and the FBI will visit you at 3:00 am. We are seeing the deep state in action, and few have their eyes open.
Yooper
Yooper
1 year ago
For crying out loud, it doesn’t need Fox News to say the US is the biggest suspect – Biden and the State Dept made an outright threat to the pipeline last January, and had joint mine exercises in the area just a month ago. If Putin wanted to stop the gas, he would do just what Aunty did at Bartertown, and have MasterBlaster turn off the valve (Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome reference) – and turn it on once he negotiated terms. That way, as in the movie, he had negotiating power.
With the pipeline gone, he has nothing now but the pipeline through the Ukraine. Why would he possibly want to destroy it? The biggest threat was that Germany would resume gas supplies for the coming winter, and would fly in the face of the US and UK sanctions.
Sounds more like the USS Maine and the start of the Spanish-American War (we said it was sabotage starting the war, in 1974 it was found to be an internal cause)

Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  Yooper
The US has been out to get NS2 for half a decade. They have sanctioned, the Russians had to build new ships to finish it. Unmanned submersibles with the comm cable cut were found by the Swedish Navy in 2015 alongside the pipeline. BalticOps were practising in precisely this are for week this summer, with submersibles and unmanned underwater vehicles … they have bragged about new technology and abilities in this field … there are reams of evidence, although all of it is circumstantial.
That does not mean it is not evidence, just no picture of the perp with a smoking gun.
The Russians published on ways to safeguard the thing (concluding it couldn’t be done, but you could ensure you knew who it was). None of the ideas were implemented b/c everybody was too concerned with any active sensing and patrol measures … you know, Russia russia russia.
Naphtali
Naphtali
1 year ago
With the pipeline out of action, Russia cannot use the restoration of gas to Europe in negotiating peace. I think Ukraine sees the most benefit and expects continued funding of their war effort.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
1 year ago
Reply to  Naphtali
Poland also benefits as it gives them leverage over Germany, recall them just asking for war reparations. As well the US has extreme leverage over Germany.
The question going forward is how the German and European populations react when their economies begin approaching 3rd world status?
dtj
dtj
1 year ago
Poland, with support from U.S. That’s whodunit. When Germany has friends like that, who needs enemies?
Meanwhile, Russia has gained 4 new provinces (so far). I’d hardly call that losing the war.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  dtj
You are losing on all fronts and declaring the land you haven’t yet lost as a victory is absurd.
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
WE are losing….in case you hadn t realised, yet …..Russia will NEVER ‘lose’ …..even if they ‘lose’ (?!)
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
Russia has lost more than once in history. Read up on it.
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
NOT since Napoleon …..read up on it
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
The Treaty of Brest-Litovsk in 1918. The Crimean War of 1853. Do you ever read history of do you just watch TV?
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
INSIGNIFICANT just like a local football team losing a game that was …..
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Do you ever read history of do you just watch TV?
Just porn. TV is a waste of time.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
You don’t even have to go back that far. They lost WWI given the outcome (overthrow of the czar leading to communism).
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
My sources tell me that there is a really good Russia revolutionary rabble rouser living in exile in Switzerland now. The Germans are planning to put him in a train to Petrograd. He should be able to cause problems for Putin’s government.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
LMAO. If your sources tell you this, then I’d guess Putin already knows, and said rabble rouser will fall from the train (KGB style–/sarc) or have an CO2-induced embolism, CIA style.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
You really don’t know Russian history at all. Ever heard of Lenin in Switzerland?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Um, which country has stated that it WILL destroy Nord 2?
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
1 year ago
Reply to  dtj
Poland certainly hates Russia for post-WW2 communism.
Yooper
Yooper
1 year ago
Reply to  dtj
Poland? Sitting between the historical hatred between Russia (sure they want then to suffer economically), and Germany/western Europe (who are going to freeze this winter)?
If Trump played 4-D chess, this would be a 1-D move by Poland
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Desperate times call for desperate measures and Putin is getting more and more desperate as time goes by. He is losing the war, and losing his grip on power. If he is cornered, he will lash out in many ways to cause pain for his enemies.
He is also desperate for more oil revenues and has a vested interest in causing prices to increase in order to offset shrinking Russian export volumes. Ask yourself this question; who has the most pressing need for higher oil and gas prices and who has the actual ability to take actions such as this sabotage?
I have been expecting many acts like this. Others would be cyber attacks on electrical grids, power plants, pipelines, and nuclear facilities. Also, watch for sabotage of oil rigs and other pipelines.
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Yeah sure sonny THAT Must be it , what would we do without your analytical analysis ……
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
I’ve been doing covered calls on oil companies which means I am simultaneously long and short oil companies. Raking in the cash as the premiums are huge, hope to do it again tomorrow. For every crisis, there is a way to profit.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
“No European country wants to admit they still want the pipeline.”
Some German companies have been lobbying the German government to let them use Russian gas because they say they have no choice. By pure chance these are the same one who said that Russia was a reliable partner. Blowing up the pipeline makes that argument irrelevant now. Russian gas will not flow to Europe ever again and those German companies had better start planning now because their alternative is gone. There is no going back. Holding to shades of grey is becoming more and more impossible as time goes on. There is too much bloody water under the bridge to ignore.
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
so , that s OK then ?
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
Yes it is.
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Those companies, and Germany, will be out of business.
Just wondering how long it will take the Germans to admit that the US has declared war on them.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej
Post 2008, the ruling clique of even Germany, are now mostly in on it.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
“There are now four documented leaks in Nord Stream pipeline. Sabotage of the pipeline is now certain, but by whom?”
Firewood sellers.
The only ones with motive.
ajc1970
ajc1970
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Don’t forget the French candle makers
Yooper
Yooper
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
At least the EU determined burning firewood and pellets from the Carolinas is carbon net-neutral! Woohoo?
Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Lithuania Urges Russian Anti-War Protesters To Overthrow Putin
Thursday, Sep 29, 2022 – 06:45 AM
It was perhaps only a matter of time before European leaders attempted to leverage ongoing anti-war protests in Ukraine to call for regime change. Emboldened Baltic NATO countries have been at the forefront of increasing rhetoric and measures punishing Russians.
And now Lithuania’s foreign minister is openly calling for Russians to tap into collective anger over last week’s partial mobilization order and overthrow President Vladimir Putin. “Lithuanians overthrew the Soviet regime, Ukrainians overthrew (former Ukrainian President Viktor) Yanukovych, Iranian women have risen up against the brutality of the Iranian regime and Russians can overthrow Putin,” FM Gabrielius Landsbergis tweeted.
Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Russia looks to be one of the first countries in history where men in the invading country are running away from their country! [lol]
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
1 year ago
Reply to  Jojo
that s what msm trying to tell you anyway
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
Comrade Yoda! You are evading conscription, making toilet emails in Belgium. Report to the front at once!
Yooper
Yooper
1 year ago
Reply to  Jojo
It’d be funny if Vlad ran away to the Ukraine ahead of his neighbors just to get conscripted there 🙂
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Jojo
All those Russians streaming to Canada to avoid the draft.
Oh, look, a squirrel.
Naphtali
Naphtali
1 year ago
Reply to  Jojo
I remember that happened when the US invaded Vietnam.
Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
The answer is clear. The world MUST capitulate to Russia to save their economies. Allow Russia to annex any boundary countries or territories that they want in the name of their security. /s
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  Jojo
They only care about territory inhabited by Russians that has been Russian for centuries, but by the vagaries of internationalist communist doctrine landed up outside their borders.
RunnerDan
RunnerDan
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej
“…vagaries of internationalist communist doctrine…” – Nicely put!
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
1 year ago
Reply to  Jojo
“The world MUST capitulate to Russia to save their economies”
And drinking Coca Cola is “capitulating to the Americans……”
Free people are free to buy things which they get a good deal on. That’s it. Only well indoctrinated children are dumb enough to get all tied in a know over exactly which supposed bogeyman country the guy selling it, is said to nominally hail from. If it’s a good deal, buy it. Otherwise, don’t. “Activism”, like petty symbolism, is a sport for pliant sheeplings.
LM2022
LM2022
1 year ago
It makes no sense for the US to bomb the pipeline. A) The Russians are losing everything already and the US has no need to get directly involved and B) People assume there’s a rational actor behind the bombings. Putin isn’t being rational – he just mobilized hundreds of thousands of Russians and sent them to a certain death without even any training. What rational “leader” does that to their own people?
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
1 year ago
Reply to  LM2022
CNN : great source !
Yooper
Yooper
1 year ago
Reply to  LM2022
It makes every sense… Biden and the US State Dept outright threatened the pipeline last January. Germany would’ve bought gas from Russia for the coming winter, and it flew in the face of the UK and US sanctions.
The biggest loser is Russia, with nothing to negotiate with Germany now that it can’t be turned on.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Fox News patriots will blame America, and defend known communist Vladimir Putin. They will do so with absolute certainty.
Nobody else knows.
RunnerDan
RunnerDan
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Yes, just like they claimed in 2016 that “Russian collusion” was actually HRC and friends, and that Wuhan virus started from that city’s virology lab and not a wet market, and that Hunter Biden has a laptop with lots of stuff on it, and that Trump never ordered the clearing of Lafayette Square or disparaged soldiers who died overseas, and that a vaccine WILL be developed by election time, and “kids in cages” started with Obama, and that talking with the North Korean leader would stop his rocket program, and etc.
Those crazy Fox News patriots!!!

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