Is UK’s Liz Truss a Reincarnation of Guns and Butter US President LBJ?

On September 5, I commented The UK Elected a New Prime Minister, Liz Truss, Now What? (Emphasis added)

Low-Tax Libertarian Liz Truss Succeeds PM Boris Johnson, Britannia Unchained?

As a Libertarian, Truss is starting off on the wrong foot with promises of large-scale state intervention and possibly price caps on natural gas that cannot possibly work.

Still, Truss is better than Sunak who wants tax hikes and would possibly seek to get the UK back into the EU or more likely a customs agreement with the EU, the worst of all worlds. 

Boris Johnson’s Unique Qualities

Boris Johnson had two unique qualities. He was arguably the only person who could get Brexit done. Congrats!

Then he was then uniquely unqualified to lead the way once that happened.

Instead of junking regulations like Truss proposes, Johnson started Covid lockdowns while attending parties himself, then embarked on a nonsensical clean energy pact that was impossible to deliver and fueled inflation.

This brought howls Left and Right.

Libertarian?

https://twitter.com/bertrandous/status/1566857320520359938

Truly Scary Woman

Stockman Chimes In

On the Pragmatic Side

Johnson Delivered Brexit

“Many people blame Brexit for the UK’s woes but it was the disastrous policies of Johnson in the wake of Brexit that made the big mess.”

That view is the correct one. Johnson undoubtedly delivered Brexit, a feat many did not think would ever happen. 

But will Brexit be reversed? 

Oh No, Minister

With the above background out of the way, please consider the Eurointelligence article Oh No, Minister (Emphasis mine and “Sir Humphrey” explained following the clips)

The death of a monarch does not usually end a monarchy. But we wonder whether the sacking of Sir Humphrey might constitute the beginning of the end for that other great British institution: the civil service.

The decision by Kwasi Kwarteng, the new UK chancellor, to fire Tom Scholar as permanent secretary to the Treasury, is hugely significant because it constitutes the necessary precondition for a shift in fiscal policy. John Maynard Keynes famously criticised what he called the Treasury View – the pinnacle of economic orthodoxy – that will always seek a restrictive fiscal policy. There is a modern version of the Treasury view, as exemplified by Scholar and other civil servants in his department, the view that got Rishi Sunak to raise national insurance and corporation tax. We see those tax rises as right up in the annals of bad economic policy decisions on par with the early Thatcher government’s excessive monetary and fiscal tightening as the country went into recession.

We keep an open mind on the Truss experiment, the biggest fiscal policy expansion in modern UK history. The energy subsidies are huge. The UK is capping energy bills. We think, and hope, that this move could pay for itself – or technically that its fiscal multiplier will be greater than one – because it will take pressure off the Bank of England and because it will support consumers during the winter. Helping people meet bills and buy essentials is not what drives inflation. It’s the credit-financed car purchases or home improvements that does.

Judging by some of the horrified reactions in the media and the wider civil-service-fan-club, we wonder whether people misjudged the impact of Boris Johnson’s departure. They hated him for delivering Brexit, but Johnson governed in a conventional way. To make Brexit work requires a rebooting of many areas of British life, starting with the civil service. The problem is not that civil servants opposed Brexit, but that the whole system is hardwired to discourage change. The UK sits at the opposite end of the spectrum from the US, where incoming presidents bring thousands of high-level officials to run the administration. There is no such thing as a Sir Humphrey in the US.

The reason why Brexit requires civil service reform is that Brexit requires a re-write of the most important regulations the UK inherited from the EU. The form of Brexit chosen, the hardest version, can only function under a regime of regulatory competition. This is not the form of Brexit we would have chosen. Had the UK accepted Theresa May’s Brexit agreement, the country would been locked in the EU’s internal market for a fairly long time: time enough for a new generation of voters to rethink the decision. 

The Truss administration may not last beyond the next election, but two years is long enough to provide the underpinnings of a workable Brexit: a re-organisation of the civil service, or at least a change in the top tiers, followed by regulatory reforms. The Treasury is the key institution, and Kwarteng is a formidable operator who appears to know what he is doing. The strategy may still fail. But we know that at least it will be attempted.

And if the electorate were to reject this, we would have reason to believe that they would, one day, reject Brexit too. But if there is such a thing as a Brexit strategy, this lot is the one that will deliver it. Or nobody else will.

Sir Humphrey 

Sir Humphrey Appleby is a fictional character in the 1980s British sitcom, Yes Minister.  

Sir Humphrey is a master of obfuscation and manipulation, often making long-winded and periphrastic statements such as, “In view of the somewhat nebulous and inexplicit nature of your remit, and the arguably marginal and peripheral nature of your influence within the central deliberations and decisions within the political process, there could be a case for restructuring their action priorities in such a way as to eliminate your liquidation from their immediate agenda.”. He is committed to maintaining the status quo for the country in general and for the Civil Service in particular, and will stop at nothing to do so — whether that means baffling his opponents with technical jargon, strategically appointing allies to supposedly impartial boards, or setting up an interdepartmental committee to smother his Minister’s proposals in red tape. Throughout the series, he serves as Permanent Secretary under the ministry of Jim Hacker at the Department of Administrative Affairs.

The Eurointelligence title “Oh No, Minister” is a play on the sitcom title.

Eurointelligence complains that a hard Brexit “as delivered by Boris Johnson is not the form of Brexit we would have chosen.

Indeed. Eurointelligence was against Brexit the whole time. But a hard Brexit was the only Brexit that ever made any sense. 

Theresa May offered the worst of all worlds. The UK would end up in a customs union, bound by idiotic EU policy, with no voting power. 

Guns and Butter?

Lyndon B. Johnson wanted a war on poverty, a Great Society, and unfettered spending on the War in Vietnam. 

The Washington Post commented in 2005, long after Johnson was gone Choose: Guns or Butter

On Aug. 3, 1967, President Lyndon B. Johnson sent a message to Congress in which he said that the United States could not continue to fight a war in Vietnam and at the same time continue his Great Society programs without, among other things, raising taxes.

For Johnson, the realization that bills come due came too late. Early on he said, “We can continue the Great Society while we fight in Vietnam,” but he sensed — canny pol that he was — that the American people would pay for the former but not, if they had to choose, the latter. When Johnson finally had to ask for a tax increase, he was on his way out as president. Less than a year after delivering his message about hard facts, he had to face the hardest one himself: He announced he would not seek reelection.

Bush, having won a second term, cannot seek reelection and so he may never become politically accountable for his mismanagement of the nation’s finances. As Johnson initially attempted, Bush is telling the American people they can have both guns and butter — two for the price of one. In Bush’s case, “guns” is the war in Iraq (and Afghanistan) and the “butter” is domestic programs such as enriched Medicare along with the war on terrorism, which Bush himself has characterized as virtually endless. In his case, though, he has not only refused to raise taxes, he has actually lowered them. LBJ could only marvel.

Every US president ever since has been in favor of guns and butter without raising taxes. 

US deficits prove it. 

In the UK, Liz Truss is now embarking on the biggest fiscal policy expansion in modern UK history. 

And unbeknown by me when I wrote my September 5 article, Truss supports UK troops on the ground in Ukraine.

This is her guns and butter moment. 

Guns and butter sums sums up the setup nearly everywhere. Even the EU wants its own army. 

Q: Why? 
A: To have unfettered access to send troops to every war at any time.

Eurointelligence criticizes the “Treasury View”, alleged fiscal restraint. What a hoot. 

Truss, Biden, Trump, and Bush were all guns and butter politicians. Perhaps Truss does something good along the way about the UK’s disastrous civil servants mess. 

Otherwise, it’s all guns and free butter, the same with Biden and nearly everywhere else too. 

This post originated at MishTalk.Com.

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oee
oee
1 year ago
Liz Truss was member of the failed Johnson govt. She will continue to fail, and the Tory press will blame…Labour the labour unions (whom we are told were vanquished by Thatcher); the environmentalists and others.
The UK’s economic growth potential has been reduced due to Brexit. Thus, any new spending will be inflationary. he will try to dampen the figures by freezing enegery price(a la Nixon price controls) but in the end all will collpase. Britons will flee to the US and tell us how wonderfull the Tories are.
ZZR600
ZZR600
1 year ago

Truss’ energy cap is a ‘buy now pay later’ scheme except no one knows what the ‘pay later’ part will actually cost! It’s a credit card with no cap on the rate of interest

GeorgeWP
GeorgeWP
1 year ago
Truss seems to be be the worst sort of leader. Uneducated and happily ignorant yet certain of her intellectual superiority and happy to adopt any loony ideas if she sees political advantage.
Basically shallow and vapid she succeeds another empty ego without substance to lead a decrepit little country with delusions of empire and world importance.
Someone who might do something immensely stupid and damaging.
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Is there a non-war monger to be found anywhere?
  • Not in office. All Western leaders are hell-bent on widening the action in Ukraine into a real war, which will be the annihilation of Ukraine.
  • None cares a whit about the hundreds of thousands of dead Ukrainian boys/men being sacrificed for nought, nor pays any attention to the Ukr crimes & war crimes (filtration of civilians, ‘punisher’ squads, ‘barrage’ squads shooting those who surrender or retreat, state sponsored death lists and death squads, wanton targeting of civilians).
  • The West is convinced they can trump energy poverty with their ‘strong’ economy, by which they mean everything can be solved with more money!
  • Just chastened by Afghanistan, there is a thirst to take on a far more formidable force. Insane.
  • Closer to nuclear war than at the height of the cold war, the public remains insouciant and oblivious.
  • Where in the ’80s people protested in the streets, and treaties such as INF and ABM were signed, nobody seems to care that the same missiles are now stationed everywhere, even at the border with Russia.
  • We are in the middle of a weapons race, with nuclear doctrines to get ‘beyond’ MAD, undetectable hypersonic and submarine weapons, anti-satellite capabilities. Everybody remains somnolent. The hypnosis is terrifying.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej
Are you proposing that Russia go nuclear to make up for their battlefield reverses?
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Absolutely not, nor will they.
Strange question, why would I?
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej
Putin has said that he will defend Russia with nuclear weapons and because he sees Ukraine as Russia and since now Russia’s forces are retreating on more than one front the temptation for him to use tactical nukes to stop the rout becomes overwhelming. He knows that if he continues to lose he will end up in a box. He sees he has not choice.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago

Fun facts for Sunday

Merry Olde England’s top exports in 2021… total is $460 billion

Machinery including computers: US$67.6 billion (14.7% of total exports)

Gems, precious metals: $65.7 billion (14.3%)

Vehicles: $40.1 billion (8.7%)

Mineral fuels including oil: $33.7 billion (7.3%)

Electrical machinery, equipment: $26.4 billion (5.7%)

Pharmaceuticals: $23.3 billion (5.1%)

Optical, technical, medical apparatus: $20.4 billion (4.4%)

Aircraft, spacecraft: $13.9 billion (3%)

Plastics, plastic articles: $12.3 billion (2.7%)

Organic chemicals: $11 billion (2.4%)

For comparison, California’s top exports in 2020… total is $156 billion

Electric vehicles: US$5.7 billion (3.6% of California’s total exports)

Aircraft including engines, parts: $5 billion (3.2%)

Machinery for making semi-conductors: $4.8 billion (3.1%)

Integrated circuits (excluding processors/controllers): $3.9 billion (2.5%)

Modems, similar reception/transmission devices: $3.8 billion (2.4%)

Shelled almonds $3.4 billion (2.2%)

Diamonds (unmounted): $3.20 billion (2%)

Machinery for making semi-conductor parts or accessories: $3.02 billion (1.9%)

Other composite diagnostic or laboratory reagents $2.9 billion (1.8%)

Computer parts and accessories: $2.5 billion (1.6%)

Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Yep, the UK rocks in business and many other things.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Yes it does. Notice that California is more diversified?
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Doesn’t look like it is.
ZZR600
ZZR600
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Yes, great to have exports, but UK imports have exceeded exports for a couple of decades now..
oee
oee
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
The Uk may export the items you showed but it is importing MORE. According to UK govt, the country has a current account deficit is 8.30 % of GPD . Thus, the pound will have to fall to reduce it becuase the country can’t borrower to consume for too much longer, Thus, it will add to inflationary preassure.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Obviously England is not exporting sufficient shelled almonds.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
“Asked how she’d feel about unleashing global nuclear annihilation, incoming UK Prime Minister Liz Truss didn’t hesitate to announce she’s “ready to do it.”
That’s the principle of Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) as a deterrent. You have to say that you are willing to do it otherwise it doesn’t work.
The miliary advisor to the British PM explains it very well.
Sir Humphry explains it well to the PM also.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
The miliary advisor to the British PM explains it very well. Link
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
If cold-war leaders/servicemen had been this resolute in the face of false-positives, we would have already detonated.
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
“Asked how she’d feel about unleashing global nuclear annihilation,
incoming UK Prime Minister Liz Truss didn’t hesitate to announce she’s
“ready to do it.”
That’s the principle of
Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) as a deterrent. You have to say that
you are willing to do it otherwise it doesn’t work.
********
North Korea just announced they will not denuclearize. Not only that, but that if the leadership is harmed, there will be an automatic nuclear attack.
It seems the way to eliminate war, is for every country to own some nuclear weapons.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
MAD works until one country believes it has a clear superiority in nuclear weapons and defense.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Superiority doesn’t matter when your enemy has the ability to kill everyone on the planet. With their rickety, failing Ukraine invasion, the Russians are going to get people thinking that their nukes are just as ghetto as the rest of their army, and that there would be survivors in the USA should an exchange occur. Russia needs to get its s**t together.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
You mean a superiority that would only kill 1/2 of your population vs 3/4? Still isn’t a good exchange rate.
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
The US official doctrine is called nuclear primacy, not MAD. It is US policy to be able to ‘win’ in a pre-emptive first strike, and a lot of decisions the past decades are based on it. The US is the only party that embraces first-strike capabilities, and the only party that resolutely refuses to talk about abolishing nuclear weapons … and the only one that has actually used them for trivial political reasons. US nuclear policy includes gems such as escalate-to-deescalate, tactical nuclear weapons doctrine, and nuclear devices where you can ‘tune down’ the detonation.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej
It was never an “all or nothing” policy. It was just a framework to keep everyone’s eyes on the ultimate risk. Lots of less dangerous variations are always being gamed. Nuclear use by Russia in Ukraine is being gamed now.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej
My point, without stating it explicitly. Which makes which nation most likely to strike first? Or is it Russia, in the race to get superior weapons? Or China….
Knowing a Marine who was on Iwo Jima at age 16-17, I question ‘trivial political reasons’. The US did not start WW2–it sure as hell finished it.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
It won’t be us so that leaves only a dozen countries and there are many countries advanced enough to build one over a weekend like South Korea, Japan and Taiwan. Your guess is as good as mine.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
You mean like Regan’s SDI? The rumor destroyed the USSR.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
There is often a difference between ‘what you say’ and ‘what you (will) actually do.’
I would be more impressed had Truss said something to the effect of, “My fellow Americans, I’m pleased to tell you today that I’ve signed
legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five
minutes.”
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab

Communism wasn’t the problem with Russia: Russians are.

GeorgeWP
GeorgeWP
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz

Capitalism isn’t the problem with the USA, Americans are.

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  GeorgeWP
Democracy isn’t the problem, Democrats are.
Art Fully
Art Fully
1 year ago
Correction: “Every president – except Bill Clinton”. Clinton balanced (or came close to balancing) the US government’s budget by cutting defense spending which hit its post-WWII low in the late 90s. He was assisted in this by congressional Republicans. Apparently this accomplishment went unrewarded at the polls as Bush 2 won the presidency, and eventually Republicans and Democrats adopted the omnibus appropriations bill approach to spending. An unholy alliance of Rinos and proto-socialists make the recurring deals that enable high defense spending and escalating social spending – irrespective of the size of the federal deficit. Successive presidents (Bush 2, Obama, Trump, Biden) have sat on their hands while Congress and the public have gorged themselves on massive government spending on defense and entitlements. Voters should take a share of the blame for encouraging these nation-destroying policies. I know its hard to give Clinton credt, but the facts are the facts.
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  Art Fully
I remember Clinton saying, “we need a benefit.” Would Clinton have near balanced the budget if Republicans had not taken over the House of Representatives? Also, there is the issue of the dollar being the world’s reserve currency. Where do those reserves come from? Debt created dollars.
“Voters should take a share of the blame for encouraging these nation-destroying policies.”
Both political parties game the American people. Some 70% bought into “Safe and effective.” Why don’t the pharma companies accept liability for their vaccines? Because they aren’t safe. By the time the 2003 Iraq War occurred, what percentage of Americans believed Saddam was involved in 9/11, the 21st anniversary of which, is today? Goebbels was onto something. Propaganda works. I still see a substantial number of people wearing a mask, when i am out in public.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
I often wear a mask out in public, depends where.
Cheapest risk reduction there is, short of just staying home.
And it doesn’t require injecting/swallowing anything into my body.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Art Fully
Clinton was ‘blackmailed’ by Newt Gingrich. ‘Sign, or else.’
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Art Fully
The cleverest thing that Slick Willie did was balance his budget with cash from the Social Security reserves that he had replaced with non-marketable promissory notes. Of course he knew that when Social Security needed to cash in some notes the Government would simply tax or borrow what was requested. But that would come later after he was gone.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
When libertarians get elected, theory gets crushed by reality. Humans as a group are too selfish, ornery and irrational for ideologies like libertarianism and communism.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
The problem with socialism is sooner or later you run out of other people’s money.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Last Thursday Liz Truss announced that her government was ending the ban on shale oil and gas extraction. Expect other countries in Europe to follow putting another nail into the coffin of Russian energy exports to the region.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Wildcatting UK….! Fat chance……
There’s not enough scale in any individual, coherent, shale project, to afford for the sort of heavy handed planning and regulation Europe is so wedded to. It worked/works in more remote parts of the US, because the costs are largely the cost of drilling a hole; mowing down vegetation to grade supply roads minimally sufficient for jacked up pickup trucks; bringing in at best half-tested equipment and processes; and seeing what happens. Then iterating and, with some luck, improving. Virtually all decisions made on the spot, right at the wellhead. By dudes in pickup trucks. With guns (not for any particular purpose. More of a mindset thing…). Each well too variable, in too many intricate and unpredictable ways, to be economically viable if one has to involve London and permits and all manners of other professional opinioneers before making even big decisions.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  StukiMoi
The UK passed a law not to do it not because they couldn’t but that they didn’t see the need but now they do. The technical aspects are already known and those with expertise are accessible. The Western oil and gas companies who were developing Russia’s shale have pulled out so their personnel and equipment are easily deployable to the UK and other countries now. You are still looking at this as normal times when it is not. The mindset has already changed and what was not possible before becomes compelling now.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Who needs shale? England has over 1 million acres of peat… It worked just fine as an energy source in the Middle Ages.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Shale is modern peat that burns better and smells less.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Oil shale contains kerogen. Shale does not–it is basically clay. Peat needs only a shovel, so suited to Middle Ages, and England in 2022. /snarky
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I think you are counting on that but you will be disappointed.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
“The UK passed a law not to do it not because they couldn’t…”
Anyone can do anything in lalaland. If passing infinite reams of gibberish “laws” were all it took to do something profitably, England wouldn’t be the basket case it currently is. Doesn’t mean they will forever and ever be 100% incapable of ever recovering even a cubic foot og gas from some shale somewhere. Possibly even profitably, at today’s gas prices.
But for shale gas to be a meaningful complement, requires large scale. And shale is a scale-out industry. Scaling means lots and lots of effectively independent operations.. Each being, often significantly, different than the others. There is no “it’s known” wrt any shale nor wellsite, until you’ve done it, then and there, successfully. “The technical aspects” are different for every shale formation. And even for every well. Even more so in denser areas, since so much of what can be done, then ends up depending on limitations imposed by above-ground geography. Even in the US and Canada, shale may never have gotten off the ground, were it not for lots and lots of remote “scratchpad” to get going on, with very little oversight.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  StukiMoi
Of course there was also the heaps and heaps of almost free money for “going shale-ing.”
Christoball
Christoball
1 year ago
Has England evolved or devolved; that is the question?? One of the problems of being a fallen colonial empire is the ethnic fallout and the need to recognize all humanity as something other than a resource. The snaggletooth index has demonstrated that their dental condition has improve remarkably. Perhaps other areas as well. Lets not let butter be just another cloaking device for more guns like LBJ in the 60’s. See link
God save the queen
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Christoball
The Sex Pistols like the monarchy now. Something to do from going from “No future” in your youth to embourgeoisement when you are older…and wealthy.
Christoball
Christoball
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Yes so true, and the hippies became yuppies praising the materialism of their fathers that they once rejected.
GeorgeWP
GeorgeWP
1 year ago
Reply to  Christoball
And how many UK political leaders are now from the former empire. Looking like a well executed reverse takeover
Bay-Brit
Bay-Brit
1 year ago
From 1996 to 2000, Truss worked for Shell, during which time she qualified as a Chartered Management Accountant (ACMA) in 1999. In 2000, Truss was employed by Cable & Wireless and rose to economic director before leaving in 2005.
prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
Truss a libertarian? The very first thing she did once she got into power was to promise yet more handouts, all unfunded of course.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
She probably is a Libertarian. However, labels are meaningless. When you are not in power you can spout all kinds of theoretical nonsense, whether that be Libertarian or something else.
Suddenly, when you are in power, reality slaps you in the face, and makes everything you said and promised look ridiculous. You end up being the dog that finally caught that bus. Now what?
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Yes, the reality that you are leading a democracy/republic and are not a dictator/monarch.
So while you an espouse all kinds of ideas in order to get elected, you find that once in power you can’t implement most of your policies because no one else will go along with it so in effect very little can be done.
That’s fact has probably saved everyone in a democracy/republic countless times.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

Completely agree. Well put.

Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
The bigger question: is she a leader when under pressure?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
“Is there a non-war monger to be found anywhere?” (Mish)
His name is Paul, Rand. Not a chance in hell, though.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Aside from that, the man is a sellout to the Authoritarian Apocalyptic Cult. Ron was a Libertarian. Rand is not.
footwedge
footwedge
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Indeed. It’s not hard to see why his neighbor beat the crap out of the goofy little creep. His dad was a goof too but at least he didn’t intentionally try to make people hate him
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Biden use Trump to get rid of the radicals dem. Biden cut our losses in Afghanistan, sent Amos Hochstein to prevent a war between
Hezbollah and Israel. US under Biden didn’t invade any country, didn’t declare a war with any nation. Many hostile nations are barking, but we are not in a war with them. We accumulated more friends, thanks to them, under our umbrella, and still rule the waves. I watch Tucker and Mark Levin, but this is Biden bottom line.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
‘Biden cut our losses in Afghanistan’, and signaled massive incompetence and weakness to Putin, inducing subsequent aggressive behavior. He didn’t invade any country and didn’t declare war, but he remains largely responsible for bringing the world closer to WW3.
It is a matter of time ( after the midterms) before NATO takes over, with US troops on the front line.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Putin is getting run out of Ukraine by Biden’s terrible weakness!
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
It freed up a lot or human and material resources to deploy to Europe and the Pacific. They already were worried about Russia and the Ukraine so they made the logical and correct decision.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Your logical and correct decision has further partitioned the world. The logical and correct decision imho:
Do not bring Russia and China closer together.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
They were already together but for the wrong reasons like the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact between Germany and the Soviet Union at the start of World War II. There are no shared values and China has serious territorial revendications on Russia’s Far Eastern Siberia. It is unstable and since the Ukraine invasion Russia looks to be less and less a useful partner. Sure they will some some oil at a hefty discount but they won’t sell to Russia what it needs if it puts into danger their sales to the G-7 countries. The trade figures show that. China having the upper hand is asking for some big things from Russia.
Call_Me
Call_Me
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
Building fortifications and launching air strikes within a foreign nation (Syria, in this case) used to be considered acts of war, even without a formal declaration. Add the rhetoric and actions focused on a couple other countries and it is clear that the current administration is not in the business of provoking peace, same as the ones that came before it.
Call_Me_Al
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Call_Me
If we don’t play that way, we don’t get to play. Nukes make good old fashioned world war untenable, so this is what we’re left with.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
China is taking Africa without a shot being fired. I see that as an important ‘way’ in ‘how to play’.
Call_Me
Call_Me
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
I was refuting 8dots’ attempt to characterize the current administration as some kind of benevolent, fence-mending faction when it has a tendency to ‘play’ just like previous ones. While Biden&Friends aren’t droning as many people compared to when he was V.P., they have been busy playing the game nonetheless. Thankfully there aren’t too many heads of state/military that are angling for open displays of uncontrolled fission!
Call_Me_Al
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
“Biden cut our losses in Afghanistan”
Trump was the one who made the leave-by promise. Biden, surprise surprise…, initially tried to fudge it; making up yet another harebrained excuse for “extending” and pretending. But the Afghans were tired of the nonsense, so they kicked the bums out. Something Americans, unfortunately, haven’t done yet.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
The UK is on the brink of collapse.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Really?
Care to explain?
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Seems obvious doesn’t it? That one’s in the realm of the sun rises in the east.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Nope. I don’t see it. I honestly don’t know what you mean by that.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
It looks like England is following the Italian political model.
‘Asked how she’d feel about unleashing global nuclear annihilation, incoming UK Prime Minister Liz Truss didn’t hesitate to announce she’s “ready to do it.”‘ That’s prime minister material?
Truss is no Thatcher.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Kind of hard to imagine how it could be any better. That ship’s been sinking for 100 years, and now it’s going down no matter what.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
If it is obvious then you should easily be able to explain it so go ahead.
prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
The UK has been slowly collapsing for decades. It is now little more than a third-world country with tremendous poverty, debt defaults on the horizon, a lazy, entitled population, a dysfunctional government, and an imminent break-up with Scotland abandoning the sinking ship. Quite sad to see a once great nation so reduced.
I was in the UK recently and witnessed a conversation on Breakfast TV about possible Civil Service sales of valuable properties it owns in London and elsewhere. The presenters and guests decided that the money raised should be used to fund the NHS (health service), but then someone objected that the properties disposed of would become expensive homes for the wealthy. They then agreed that the disposals should only be done on the condition that the buyer uses the properties to build affordable housing for the poor. So they expect a developer to pay top dollar for the properties, develop them and sell homes at low prices to the poor. To anyone economically literate this is nonsense, but to most British this type of thinking makes perfect sense.
The British also believe that renewable energy works – hence the current mess they are in with energy – and that high energy prices are the result of evil energy companies making enormous profits at their expense – despite the fact that UK energy companies are going bankrupt all over the pace as they are prevented from passing on their full costs to consumers.
pretax
pretax
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly

The TV here in Britain,
especially Breakfast TV, is a biased echo-chamber and many people we know have
reduced or stopped watching. Take the (news)papers panel discussion that
happens all the time. The panel take what’s reported in the papers as correct
and unbiased, and debate it as such, perpetuating the incorrect bias. Worst
still for avid watchers of TV is Knoll’s law of media accuracy which
suggests that people believe that “everything you read in the newspapers is
absolutely true, except for the rare story of which you happen to have first-hand
knowledge”. What people need to realise that very little the media is unbiased
and completely correct.

Being British, I don’t believe I
feel entitled, though entitled people exist everywhere on the planet. In fact,
over the last 50 years the country has become far more equal in terms of race,
gender and religious tolerance (where on our third female PM). There is a wealth
gap, but nowhere nears as bad as in the US. Talking of which, differences in race,
politics, gender, religion and especially wealth status are tearing the US
apart. I give the US 20 years before the shooting starts (you just love your
guns).

StukiMoi
StukiMoi
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
“The UK has been slowly collapsing for decades.”
Century. Perhaps and a half…..
Like similarly afflicted US, it started from a very high level. So it may not have become quite so obvious until after WW2. Just like the decay in the US didn’t become quite so glaringly obvious until first the ’70s, then full storm the aughts.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  StukiMoi
The US has been devolving since a bit before 1865.
GeorgeWP
GeorgeWP
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
In what way does renewable energy not work? Obviously it doesn’t work if you don’t build the generators and the storage and the grid!
But how is energy that needs to be transported or piped from a foreign country and potential enemy, across land and sea that may be controlled by a potential enemy and then burnt in a few large generators that could be destroyed by a few missiles a better solution that using a grid of many small generators utilising locally available energy resources
I would have thought the current war in Europe made it clear why relying on imported energy is a huge security risk.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
No it isn’t.
Scooot
Scooot
1 year ago
“Many people blame Brexit for the UK’s woes but it was the disastrous policies of Johnson in the wake of Brexit that made the big mess.”
I haven’t heard much publicity about this over here, most people put it down to Covid and the war. It’ll never be reversed, at best perhaps we could agree on a new relationship.
Scooot
Scooot
1 year ago

“Speaking to the BBC in an interview on July 21, Truss ruled out the “direct involvement” of her country’s troops if she were to become prime minister.

“We are doing all we can to support Ukraine. We’ve led the international coalition on sending weapons, we’re putting the sanctions in place, but I do not support the direct involvement of U.K. troops,” she said.”

RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  Scooot
“…I do not support the direct involvement of U.K. troops,” she said.”
I think FDR said something similar, prior to direct involvement in WW2.
Scooot
Scooot
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ

You were attacked at Pearl Harbour.

Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Scooot
We were already in it but it was undeclared. We were already attacking German submarines. Look up The Neutrality Patrol which despite the name had nothing to do with neutrality but everything to do with supplying the UK with what they needed.
Scooot
Scooot
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
I stand corrected -:)
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
He did indeed.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
No. You must be thinking of Wilson’s statements prior to direct involvement in WWI.

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