Fingerpointing and name-calling insults are the order of the day in the UK parliament as the Bill to Stop No-Deal Passes by Majority of 29.
Summary
- The vote to have a vote passed yesterday by a margin of 328 to 301, with 21 Tories (now ex-Tories) voting against the government.
- The vote today was 329 to 300.
- Tory Dame Caroline Spelman voted for passage on a “three line whip” but will retain party membership as Johnson considers yesterday’s vote a vote of confidence but not today’s. This makes little sense to me.
- Boris Johnson will open the debate holding an early election in the Commons this evening.
- The shadow chancellor, John McDonnell, has said Labour and other opposition parties have yet to decide when they might support Boris Johnson’s call for an election, saying this would only happen when they were certain that no-deal Brexit on 31 October had been blocked.
- McDonnell’s statement: “We want to get the legislation secure, with royal assent, but we’re also not going to be tricked or conned, so we’re looking at every way in which, having secured the legislation, that he can’t wriggle out of abusing by the law.”
- At the moment there’s nothing that Johnson has done in recent weeks that gives us the confidence that he’s going to abide by the law.
- When asked about Johnson, Trump replied “He’s a friend of mine, and he’s going at it, there’s no question about it … Boris knows how to win. Don’t worry about him.”
- A judge at the highest court in Scotland has found Boris Johnson’s planned prorogation of parliament lawful, the Press Association is reporting. Legal action aimed at preventing the UK government suspending parliament ahead of the Brexit deadline of 31 October was considered at the court of session in Edinburgh.
Epic Filibustering Attempt Coming Up
- The Remainer hope is to get the bill passed in the House of Lords by 5:00 PM Friday. Debate starts tomorrow.
- A filibuster attempt is certain but the outcome is uncertain.
- Peers are debating a business motion tabled by Labour designed to ensure that, if the Benn bill intended to stop a no-deal Brexit on 31 October goes to the Lords tomorrow, it can clear all its stages by 5pm on Friday.
- A business motion is needed because in the Lords bills are not subject to programme motions, meaning in theory debates can go on forever. The Liberal Democrats support the business motion and so, given that the Tories do not have a majority, it should pass.
- But before peers get to vote on it they will have to debate the amendments to the business motion. On today’s order paper (pdf) there are 86 of them. In the Lords every amendment normally gets debated, and peers are normally free to speak for as long as they want, making it filibustering heaven.
- The only way to fast-track a vote is to move a closure motion. But even these take time, because peers first have to vote for the closure motion, and then vote for the amendment. So, in theory, 86 amendments could translated into 172 votes.
Shaving Kit Needed
Arriving in Lords with duvet, change of clothes and shaving kit. Could take us a while to see off 86 wrecking amendments on timetable motion today/tomorrow. pic.twitter.com/Knbxu1Odlf
— Dick Newby (@RichardNewby3) September 4, 2019
Early Elections?
Things Really Getting Screwy
MPs agree amendment to Benn bill to put cross-party version of May’s deal back on table.
This amendment would set out as the purpose of seeking an extension under article 50(3) TEU the passage of a withdrawal agreement bill based on the outcome of the inter-party talks which concluded in May 2019.
This means that, if the PM needs to request an article 50 extension (because he has not negotiated a new deal, and MPs have not voted to approve a no-deal Brexit), then getting an extension to pass a version of the Theresa May deal becomes government policy.
Effectively, that means that any Brexit delay would not be a blind delay; it would be a delay to enable a version of the Theresa May going through. It is not clear whether this has passed by accident – or as a result of some cunning plot.
May’s Deal Back in Play?
The amendment in the name of Stephen Kinnock didn’t have a vote as the Government didn’t provide tellers to count. This meant the amendment went through although the No Lobby was full. This wasn’t an accident you can be assured there’s some skullduggery going on
— Alex Sobel MP 🟣 (@alexsobel) September 4, 2019
I’m not sure what this amendment actually does. It attaches a purpose for the desired extension, but it doesn’t actually compel the Government (or anyone else for that matter) to actually introduce a Bill.
Am I missing something? https://t.co/5ROz1patdx
— Graeme Cowie (@woodstockjag) September 4, 2019
Graeme Cowie is a Commons Library Clerk. If he doesn’t know, who does?
Here is the amendment EUROPEAN UNION (WITHDRAWAL) (No. 6) BILL
Unless it passes an actual vote, it will be meaningless after the next election. It is unclear if this is a mistake, and if so by whom.
Boris Johnson’s Speech
“Today [parliament] has voted to stop, to scupper any serious negotiations,” he says. Adds that the purpose of the Benn bill is to take away the right of this country to determine how long it wants to stay in the EU and to hand it to the EU.
“Under any circumstances this country will leave the EU on October 31,” he says.
He calls again for an election on October 15.
“I think it’s very sad that MP’s have voted like this, I do, I think It’s a great dereliction of their duty.”
Brexit Pact With Nigel Farage Coming Up
Nigel Farage, the Brexit party leader, has welcomed the news that Steve Baker, the new chair of the powerful European Research Group caucus in the Conservative party, favours a pact with the Brexit party if there is an early election.
Really Screwing It Up
Arj Singh is Deputy Political Editor for the Huffington Post UK.
Clearly, this man cannot think.
Johnson is doing everything possible to gain the trust of Nigel Farage.
UK Election Polls
Those polls are unchanged from yesterday.
Tories stand to lose 13 seats or so in Scotland to the Liberal Democrats.
They would have to make that up elsewhere. I believe they would, easily, if the Brexit Party and the Tories align.
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
Maybe one of our more learned English posters can clarify something for me. Is “You great big girls blouse” an insult? Or is it a political office or what? I mean it would seem sort of sexist and grossly immature if he was saying that to insult someone.
Oh, and the irony of Nicola Sturgeon telling Johnson ANYTHING about respecting the will of the people in a general election…. If she were a guy I would say she had brass balls even bringing the subject of respecting the vote of the people who voted to LEAVE THE EU!
If you ever attended grade school before PC training set it and had recess, you should be able to evaluate the gist of the expression.
Thanks for the snotty reply amounting to a personal insult. In fact a lot of expressions in England are nuanced and not well understood here. This is the first time I ever heard of calling some one a girl’s blouse, sure I could assume the obvious as you claim, and I could also look really stupid for misunderstanding it. You have just proven what a lie it is when people claim the only stupid question is the one you are too embarrassed to ask. I always knew that old saying was full of crap.
Once the north sea oil fields topped out production (and the taxes / royalties to the UK treasury topped out with it) — the fate of the NHS was sealed. NHS is going to collapse and probably destroy the UK government’s balance sheet in the process.
There is no such thing as free health care. Someone pays the costs. In the UK (and Canada and Norway), that someone was oil royalties. And the eco-terrorists are working to make matters worse.
Too bad most voters in US/UK took public school math (and home economics has become a joke too). The numbers behind public health care don’t add up, and they never have.
Now that the oil subsidies are gone, people in UK must find a new revenue source or else dismantle the NHS. Time to grow up and face the facts. There is no such thing as free.
Perhaps the UK can use the money they currently waste in Brussels to postpone the day the NHS collapses? It won’t save the NHS, but it would buy time to come up with something that is actually viable.
Somehow I doubt the selfish remainers are going to run the numbers on NHS, since they already refused to run the numbers on the EU. Neither works without massive external subsidies that simply do not exist
Utter crap. Everybody know that we pay through our National Insurance payments for our Health Service. I used to work for our Immigration Service. You would be amazed at the number of US citizens who tried to take take advantage of our “free” health service. They were quite shocked that it was not free to them because they hadn’t paid for it, more shocked when they were refused entry and put on the next plane out, unless they had to be patched up to travel. If your politicians cannot cut your total GDP health care spend in half and get better outcomes then your politicians are gross and incompetent. For example, I have type 2 diabetes. All my medicine is free, I am checked every three months for free. I am checked every six months for signs of colon cancer for free. I paid for this over 40 years working through my National Insurance contributions. Sometimes it is better if you know what you are talking about.
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You don’t seem to be able to grasp how bankrupt the EU is, so it comes as no surprise to me that you also do not grasp how bankrupt the NHS is.
Add to that you just admitted to having been a government bureaucrat. Even if you moved to the private sector after immigration services, you don’t seem to have lost your bureaucrat thinking.
Please go watch the Monty Python skit about the Ministry of Funny Walks. It will tell you what the average person thinks of your public “service”.
Then go read about how the UK went bankrupt and needed an IMF bailout in the 1970s. The UK was saved by North Sea oil royalties.
Sorry the facts do not support your cushy bureaucrat lifestyle
. I don’t need to read up about 1976, I lived through it. Why don’t you address the point that to spend 20c on the
$1 dollar earned in the US on an inadequate health system is gross and stupid. We spend 9c on the Dollar and have better outcomes. We live longer, on average, than Americans. You really shouldn’t believe what you are told by the GOP.
Yes, the US government controls more than half the US health care market. And its a total mess.
Sectors of the US health care system that are consumer pay not government mandated insurance (its mostly cosmetic surgery) have enjoyed price CUTS. Price CUTS in the private sector, massive price increases in the public sector.
We had TWO corrupt Chicago politicians (one first witch, one president) who tried to make things a lot worse.
Meanwhile Mr Bureaucrat, the UK’s NHS system still depends on subsidies from north sea oil royalties. We would all be mentioning the UK in the same breath as Greece’s government if not for north sea oil. Sorry you don’t like the facts. Bureaucrats rarely do.
If you don’t like it, feel free to move to the private sector and get a real job — one where you do real work. Less pay, less benefits, much longer hours… oh, and you will be on the receiving end of “public regulation service”. You really won’t like that.
“Sectors of the US health care system that are consumer pay not government mandated insurance (its mostly cosmetic surgery) have enjoyed price CUTS. ”
+a lot!
And that’s not even taking into account the massive amounts of indirect taxation; by way of restricting labor and medication supply, and doing everything possible to aid ambulance chasers in enriching themselves at others’ expense, which is being imposed on American customers and practitioners in even those slightly freer corners of the medical world.
Leeches will leech, after all, and if they cannot leech like Lenin, via direct taxes and nominal government ownership; they’ll leech like John Edwards and pharma owners and executives. Same thing, different cover story.
Well, I agree in general with your feelings about it, but in fact my healthcare is 100% free to me and run by the US government and until recently I had no complaints at all. It is called the VA Healthcare system, and it serves vets like me for less than 1/2 the cost of private for obscene profit care in the community. Until the GOP started strangling it and created so many problems, among them is shrinking the patient base to the point that the remaining facilities are now not serving as many vets and the costs per vet have risen. Now all that money they slashed out of the VA system and then quite a lot more to boot is being spent to pay for private for profit insurance (TriCare Veteran’s Choice) and where it used to take me a couple weeks to get an appointment at the VA it now takes months to get seen at a private doctor’s office in town. My VA doctor made $191k base plus generous benies and a bonus, the private doctor in town makes 10 times that much and you know it when you talk to them. They know nothing about vets or what we went through, they do not understand anything about the VA rating system, and they could simply not care less either. In the VA we have a patient bill of rights and there is an ombudsman’s office that advocates for YOU not the VA in the case of disagreements or problems with the care, private for obscene profit docs? Nope, you have no recourse, if you demand to have something so basic as a say in your treatment plan Mr. millionaire God complex…. I mean the private doctor will basically tell you to F%$* off. You have pretty much zero rights with them.
Why? You might ask would the GOP do this? Because they could not permit a well run existing healthcare system that cost half or less to exist, it proved the private system is nothing but a rip off. And because of this they incentivised the administrators at VA facilities to shorten wait times by giving them huge 6 figure bonuses to make sure waits were not too long, and they did by simply putting wait lists in the shredders, people died because they no longer were on the wait lists. That was a decade or so ago and ever since then they have been trying to kill the system once and for all. Now my doctor at the VA only does telephone appointments and uses the information I tell her to refer me to private doctors. It is a betrayal of everything the military promised.
I am not sure why you gave such a partisan reply. There were stories on the news about the VA hospital disasters in Arizona under Obama. Walter Reid Hospital (now closed to cover the story) had feces all over the walls under both Clinton and Bush.
The vets I know say the VA hospital system has always been hit or miss. Some are great. Some have walls covered in feces.
As I understand it, the VA system covers only injuries incurred during combat? If you were injured in combat / serving your country, its your country’s responsibility to cover it. It still is not free, taxpayers cover it.
But the not-really private health care system is a mess. The byzantine paperwork required by medicare and private insurance is just absurd. Even if they manage to put that nonsense on a computer, it will just be automated absurdity. Its still a mess
The notion that we should put the DMV or TSA in charge of our health decisions has to be the stupidest idea in the history of the nation. I cannot respect anyone who thinks this will even work, never mind be a good idea. And the people pushing for it tend to be…. lets just call them mathematically challenged with no business sense what so ever.
Also agree with you on the doctor God complex. Its not you, its not vets. They are like that to everyone. You have to be your own advocate and push back hard.
It is always going to be true no matter what that some facilities are better than others, and in a system that is being strangulated for funds those differences are going to become more obvious. I apologize if I sound very partisan about it but the fact is the democrats want to fund the VA and the GOP just does not, and this is a subject very close to home for me because without the VA I have no healthcare at all.
You are wrong about the VA only covering injuries acquired in combat, they cover all veterans in a priority system as well as retirees. I am a 100% disabled vet so I am in the category of priority 1, meaning not only am I seen with zero cost to me ever, I also get dental care, only 100% vets get dental. You have to have been on active duty a certain minimum of time, cannot have had a bad discharge, and your injury must have been in the line of duty, those are the factors, so a guy hang gliding on leave who jumps off a cliff and his glider folds up, he is paraplegic from his injuries, probably will not be rated and get care at the VA. GI’s are not allowed to participate in “inherently” dangerous conduct and if they do so they are most likely going to be denied care once they are post service.
The VA disability rating system as I said few understand. I have two ratings, one is 10% and the other 70% but they do not equal 80%, you are paid at the rating that is highest. In my case I was also awarded unemployability because the 70% rating was deemed to hinder my ability to work. So, unemployability is always paid at and treated as 100% and is permanent and total disability, the GOP though is trying to undercut that by cutting vets off their unemployability at age 62. The difference in compensation would kill most vets, 70% disability in the ratings system is about $1,770 or so pre month, 100% is $3.057. Cutting off 62 year old vets would mean you reach 62 and your income is reduced from $36k down to 21k. The theory is that you then qualify for social security retirement which is bogus, if you have been unemployed since the military years then you do not have sufficient quarters to base a claim upon, and the poverty level programs for indigent elders do account for the unearned income from the VA, you would not get anything other than that $1,700 per month. Besides that, if permanent and total does not mean permanent and total what does it mean? The reason the system is set up the way it is happened because the SCOTUS denied soldiers the right to sue the government pretty much for any reason. There are almost no exceptions to the Feres Doctrine that rules the situation. Thus the system was set up this way as a substitute for court actions, it is seen as basically an out of court settlement between injured soldiers and the government. Had I the right to sue I would easily have collected millions for my injuries as the danger was known, fostered by the commander, and 100% avoidable with reasonable action. So, the taxpayer is actually getting off lightly.
Indeed taxpayers do pay for the VA system, but people are going to have to have care and someone is going to have to pay, but, the government funded VA costs half or less than the disastrous private system, for one thing in civilian care decisions are made more by insurance companies that tack on about one third of the cost of care without adding anything to the outcomes. They are parasites and the VA does not have that extra expense. Congress also allowed the VA (but not Medicare/Medicaid) to leverage it’s bulk buying of drugs and medical devices and such to get far better pricing. And of course while doctors make great money and have rich benefits they do not make the millions private doctors do. They also do not have to hire the staff the VA provides, or have the overhead and insurance private doctors must pay for. One of the greatest benefits to VA doctors is they have a secure job at great income without the hassles of running a practice, at the VA doctors can just be DOCTORS. A few are skating for sure, avoiding risk, but, most of the professionals I have known in the VA just did not go into medicine because they wanted to get rich, they got into it for the love of the field. If all healthcare workers were of the same type our costs would be far lower. The private care system is absolutely loaded with redundancy, like this small town with two world class bone palaces that are sprawling campuses complete with plush offices and big billing. Competition is meaningless when the buyers must have the product, and when the only two players in the game are each competing to see how much they can spend on their hospitals, or to attract the most prestigious names in their fields.
PS — didn’t the VA hospital wait list shredding scandal you talk about happen under Obama? Bush and Clinton had the Walter Reid feces scandals. I suspect there are many other problems that don’t make the papers.
I ask because I think its a universal government bureaucrat problem. They shoved Obamacare down our throats and then exempted themselves. The bureaucrats don’t care about citizens. They despise us and look down at us. Its not the GOP or the Dems, its both / all of them.
The politicians like to turn everything into a partisan bickering contest, because it diverts attention away from both parties total incompetence.
I am retired and have been for 8 years. I enjoyed six weeks holiday per annum, worked 37 1/2 hours per week for most of my career and if I worked overtime I received enhanced pay rates. You eat awful food,, your people are worked to death, your infrastructure is crumbling and you live in a third world country and don’t know it.
So you barely worked at all (37 hours is a joke compared to the private sector). No one in the States takes 6 1/2 weeks vacation! In the rare moments when you were supposedly clocked in, lets not pretend that pushing papers back and forth between your fellow bureaucrats was work.
For the last eight years, you aren’t even bothering to clock in and shove papers around.
This laziness is why people all over the world despise government employees.
Yes, we in Europe do feel sorry for the American work Donkey. Work smart not hard is the EU philosophy.37 1/2 hours a week is the standard working week in the EU. 6 weeks is the standard vacation in both the public and private sector. I suggest you go on the EU Commission site and search for the ” Working Time Directive.” It will show you what a civilised work/life balance is. By the way, if your work til you drop and don’t take holidays is so good why have German, Italian and Japanese Car companies had to rescue your car industry? I understand the French are getting in on the act as well. Must be awful for you that these work shy monkeys have had to teach you how to do it. By the way my pension is index linked
The USA mockingly refers to “our” car industry as Government Motors. Quite bluntly, if the Germans can’t outwit US government bureaucrats, Mercedes should shut down.
Please tell us about all the big British car companies…. oh wait, your government (was it you?) ran them into the ground. Jaguar is a subsidiary of Ford or Tata Motors? A former British colony owns your top car company either way.
The US had much higher economic growth back when we had more private industry, and less EU style centrally planned economy. For that matter, the UK has done better when you bureaucrats were kept on a leash — and the UK went bankrupt when the bureaucrats were running things.
Government bureaucrats are the same the world over: parasites who think they know what they are doing. You certainly fit the bill
So true, the UK car Industry was run on the same lines as the US industry. We got pounded by other car companies from other countries with different management and owner styles. This begs the question, if the foreign owned British car industry is successful using the same workers as the former British owners had why is it that the former British ownership and management are not excoriated for being the useless tossers that they were? The lesson is go European, or Indian or Japanese and not follow the ludicrous Anglo-American style “capitalism”. When I said that it would help you if you new what you were talking about it was so true. You obviously know jack about the EU or what a centrally planned economy is, which is par for the course for a half wit.
What makes you think the Europe is bankrupt? Where I live the government has run budget surpluses for years, debt:GDP is 57%, and there is a shortage of labor. And infrastructure & education is in good shape. And the export surplus is about 12% of GDP.
In the US govt debt is about 600% of revenue, more than twice EU averages (including the PIGS).
I don’t think you looked at the accounts of your local government correctly, much less those of the EU.
The fact that you tried to confuse a discussion of how bankrupt the EU is, versus your local government (which isn’t the EU even if it is running a surplus as you claim) tells me you have a reading comprehension problem.
The EU is bankrupt. Look at the numbers of the EU. Don’t go off on an irrelevent tangent about your local government. The subject is the EU. The EU is bankrupt. Try to stay focused on the subject at hand.
That is a lot of political capital to use up. But look at the bright side, once it is done Boris can do a Trumpian free trade deal. Chlorine washed chicken, hormone and antibiotic feed beef, roundup ready corn, the pharmas being able to charge whatever they want and united healthcare picking at the bones of the NHS. On Britannia!
I do not know if Blair did this three times or not.
But I intended to write a similar but more specific post on the topic.
Here is the shorty version. Unless Corbyn agrees to elections there is no way in hell Johnson will submit that bill to the Queen.
Assuming a filibuster fails, all Johnson has to do is say he wants to study the bill for a day. Guess what?
Starting September 10, parliament will be out of session until October 14.
Then Johnson can deliver the Queen’s speech starting a new session.
It is my understanding that all all prior legislation is then thrown out the window.
Parliament would have to start all over. That would likely take 4 days minimum. Oct 18. No time to boot Johnson – fancy that. Elections take 14 days minimum.
Can Johnson be forced to submit the bill? How so? And what if he waits 3-4 days, and then gives the Queen’s speech on say October 17 or Oct 18.
Now what? Give Parliament another 4 days to do this again. We are now at Oct 22.
Johnson just has to defy parliament for 9 days. Would he? I believe so.
Avidremainer once again does not understand the options.
You would be right if you weren’t wrong. I let you into a secret Mish-to whit, there would be no GE on the liars terms and there won’t be as of 21:45 UK time. As long as the opposition stay united Corbyn now controls parliament. This means that the liar will do as he is told and if he can’t stand the humiliation he resigns. He is in office but not in power. For the first time in his priapic life he is emasculated. Oh frabjous day.
That is why he has been so vocal about ignoring the Brexit referendum where the voters said EXIT after many months of debate
You have a brain the size of a pin head and what little you have you don’t use.
Bureaucrats like red tape, they do not like truth
More proof of a losing argument, when you have to resort to ad homonym attacks on other posters you have pathetically gone off the rails, and broken the rules of the forum.
Jesus, talk about wishful thinking. So Johnson is in office but not in power eh? That must be why his own brother quit in frustration after he realized Boris had outsmarted him and the remainers.
You may be an avid remainer but you have only self-interest at heart and no respect for democracy given that you cannot accept the outcome of the referendum. The Russians swung the vote! Lmao
Democrats and remainers: two peas in the same rotten pod. We love democracy! (as long as it delivers the result we want).
If the UK is to stay in the EU then we remainers have to persuade a majority that we are right. If we succeed that is democracy. If we fail then that too is democracy. You seem to want to deny me my democratic right to voice my opinion. That is not democracy.
Interested in seeing your analysis Mish. Parliament passed a bill requiring the PM to request an extension from the EU until January 1st. They even included a pre-drafted letter requesting the extension that he is required to submit. He has refused to comply—do they have the ability to challenge that in the courts? What result could they get before Parliament is prorogued? What happens if they try to remove BJ with a no confidence vote? Lots of unanswered questions, but it is great to see a PM stand up to the opposition for a change. I wish him success in breaking the UK’s chains.
Does not matter what the parliament wants, the EU has already made it’s position clear, they will not entertain any more requests for Article 50 extensions unless it guarantees either the removal of any possible no deal Brexit, or it allows a second referendum on Brexit, neither of those is going to happen. So, the EU will not even answer a request for an extension. In other words the EU demands to dictate the terms of leaving which would look exactly like NOT leaving, or they demand a second vote on Brexit and will just keep demanding more votes till the UK gets it right, just as they did with the Treaty of Lisbon and the Irish voters.
Wish, this is from a comment on Zero Hedge. Is it accurate?
Right, MPs have rejected a GE. De facto, they approve of the current Government. Boris will, I think, now not recommend to the Queen any legislation passed by the House he does not like (i.e. The further delay Bill). No Royal Assent, no Law.
A reminder that Blair did this kind of block three times.
The only way to remove the PM’s block is a VoNC, which can basically be asked for at any time.
I’m sure Boris and the Moggster (Lord President of Privy Council) will remind the Queen that the House can pass a VoNC any time they like if they don’t like his block. This will result in the GE Boris has asked for anyway.
The opposition are stuffed. The Remainers are stuffed. The EU is stuffed.
Several of those booted out of the Tory Party looked quite shocked – they are idiots. Boris needed a minority to make his point about the VoNC valid.
Constitutional Law detail here (bottom half):
link to ukconstitutionallaw.org … ench-bill/
Furthermore, if Boris simply doesn’t recommend the further delay Bill to the Queen and Sep 10th rolls along, the House is prorogued, and when they come back a VoNC will be too late to have a GE before Hallowe’en anyway.
Game, Set, Match to Brexit.
No, like most stuff on Zerohedge it is hysterical bollox.
I am surprised ZH is still on the web, like 8chan it is nothing more than the place the most insane meet to plot the downfall of civilization and to end taxes as well as exterminate the scourge of the gay mafia! It is openly racist and most of what you see there is just the imaginary ramblings of the extreme far right and preppers gone mad.
It looks to me as if the Remainers are dead at this point. Unless the remainers and the speaker are able to break the existing process, Boris can ensure that the Remain bill dies before becoming law, then it is game over.
The only chance that remain had was a vote of no confidence, force an election, win it, and then keep us in the EU. No election means that route is closed off.
Perhaps Corbyn is a Brexiteer after all! By refusing to agree to an election, Brexit happens.
Filibuster is not an English word. It’s American in its current usage.
Bastardization of Dutch vrijbuiter (uitbuiten means to exploit, so a free-wheeling operator, particularly in the context of pirates operating for various sovereigns).
Stonewalling seems a more English variant.
In the Netherlands they were planning a 31 October beach party with thousands in attendance to wave the UK good bye.
This screws up the plans. And in January the beach is no good.
I bet many of them wish they were joining the UK
“So exit October 31 or not?”
Possibly not – Depends on Election Date
But postponement solves nothing.
The EU will not deal as long as no deal is off the table.
What the move did is temporarily take a deal and no deal off the table, solving nothing but arguably giving the UK 3 more months to prepare.
If there are elections, Johnson will go for no deal if there is no time for a deal.
So exit October 31 or not?
Well saw part of the debate on Bloomberg very lively!