Record Tie?
The US Economic Expansion is now 10 years old (120 months), tying the record for longest ever with 1991-01.
On July 31st, it will be the longest in history. Meanwhile, the market is pricing in a 100% probability of a Fed Rate CUT that very same day, and 2 more cuts by year-end. pic.twitter.com/14XWd9RkUZ
— Charlie Bilello (@charliebilello) July 1, 2019
Another Record?
Another record ever … 14th straight month economy drops… We bypassed 2008 levels by 3 months so far. https://t.co/xWHO65DWQR
— GregTheAnalyst (@Analyst_G) July 1, 2019
121 Months?
Today starts the month 121 of the economic expansion. This is a new record.
Also no calendar decade has ever been recession free. Today means this decade now has less than six-months left.https://t.co/08HZb4yhdp
— Jim Bianco (@biancoresearch) July 1, 2019
Longest Ever?
Today is the longest period the US economy has ever gone without a recession.
(chart: Bloomberg) pic.twitter.com/GjdnCZVIy2
— ian bremmer (@ianbremmer) July 1, 2019
The expansion is now entering its 11th year and is the longest period of US growth on record. Still, middle-income Americans haven’t recovered all the wealth they lost in the Great Recession. Only the top 30% have. https://t.co/Eid5qI2Wnx pic.twitter.com/SKPXcwiw6x
— Chris Rugaber (@ChrisRugaber) July 1, 2019
First Decade With No Recession?
https://twitter.com/conorsen/status/1145476710818861057
STOP!
I could go on. There are lots more where those came from.
The NBER is the official arbiter of recessions. It is possible one has already started.
Is so, we may not know for a full year. There are plenty of signs.
Construction Spending Unexpectedly Weak -0.8%
Single-family housing (down every month) and commercial have collapsed.
The construction spending boat is sinking slowly. The only thing preventing an outright collapse is low-quality public spending.https://t.co/fLICpyk1JS
— Mike “Mish” Shedlock (@MishGEA) July 1, 2019
US private residential construction spending continues to collapse Down 6.3% YoY, led by residential at -11.2% YoY. And yet Fed sees no recession. Ummm pic.twitter.com/RCiLG3gT8u
— PPG (@PPGMacro) July 1, 2019
What the US economy looks like going into recession. The ISM Manufacturing version. pic.twitter.com/h5weaQSyvf
— Bill Hester, CFA, CMT (@billhester) July 1, 2019
Current #USA Recession Odds Are The Same As During ‘The Big Short’ Heyday via @forbes
Tell us more about the ‘recovery’, @LeoVaradkar? @Paschald?#JonathanSugarman#Ireland #Europe #EuroZone https://t.co/BdL351SJd7
— Jonathan Sugarman (@WhistleIRL) July 1, 2019
Hold Your Horses
- The last recession started in December of 2007.
- At the time, there were zero quarters of negative growth.
- The NBER did not set the recession date for a full year.
It may be likely (or not), but it is by no means certain we just set a record expansion. Some of those Tweeters ought to know better.
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
There’s a big difference between the current and prior longest economic expansions. The prior record had a budget SURPLUS. The most recent expansion blows up the deficit a whopping $1 TRILLION every 15 months (and growing faster). Even with absurdly low rates interest alone on the Federal Deficit will be more than ALL Defense spending. Ergo it would be free sans Federal Debt. God forbid rates rise. Trumps concern about the deficit blowing up? “I’ll be gone [by the time Gov finances explode w/in 10 yrs]”.
I love seeing all the opinions of the Downers. When everyone gets bullish, I’ll probably get out of stocks.
Why would you even think of getting out of stocks now? The bankers have made it clear they will prop up the market at any cost.
Being bullish on stocks has little to do with being bullish on the real US/global economy. Markets have been divorced from reality since the Greenspan era. Only people who believe countries can print their way to prosperity think the actual economy is healthy.
Mish is correct. Since declaring a recession requires several quarters of data, they are always declared in retrospect. So, if a recession were to declared today to have started, the start date would be a few quarters ago. That said, I don’t think the data at this point is weak enough that even a year form now it will be seen to be as in recession, so the 120 months is probably safe.
When you factor in the length and the magnitude of the expansion, this expansion is not extraordinary. The largest total expansion was the 1961-69 expansion, which was over 50%, followed by the 91-00 expansion at over 40%. Behind those are the 82-90 expansion and the 49-53 expansion.
It really depends on how you calculate the ‘real’ rate of inflation. By my calculations inflation is at least 10% annually so make a few fast adjustments and you have a negative growth(GNP) rate. The economy is really contracting. I have said it on this blog many times and I will say it once more. DEFLATION. The economy is in a deflation cycle and it will be for years to come. Look at commodity prices for your answer about the economy.
10% a year? You must be in a different country than the US. Here, we are preparing to do our first price increase in a decade. We’ve seen almost no cost increases over the last decade, and our supplies as a percentage of sales are actually lower than a decade ago. If we had seen 10% a year increases, our costs would be 2.59 times higher than a decade ago. Based on our experience, inflation has actually been lower than the reported CPI number by quite a bit.
If one doesn’t count inflation in housing/rents, education and health care, everything else is hunky dory, right?
No, Autos Are Not “Cheaper Now”
Really? NO price increase? Tell that to the persons buying insulin.
Deflation generally shows up in the overall economy when demand for goods and services slows or collapses. Price increases don’t have that much to do with deflation. They do a little but not that much. Many factors explain why some prices increase in a deflationary economy. Having to much debt to service always explains why some companies raise their prices. Business and corporate debt is at record levels and increasing every damn day. I imagine judgement day is right around the corner.
My thought is you are in a different country. You are clearly looking at the wrong data and have no understanding of economic adjusted economic data. If you rely solely on the governments data you will never get a true picture of the economy. I advise major hedge finds and private equity firms on their energy investments and they are starting to see the big picture of inflation(or deflation). Many of these price distortions that you have noted are easily explained by noting the government’s printing of trillions of dollars to keep the economy from completely collapsing. This will tend to cause crazy price distortions that make no sense in the overall economy. I hope this post points you in the right direction.
Read it and weep Carl. link to shadowstats.com
Inflation has become like a religion. People believe what feels good to them, and ignore reality because if they looked at reality, they would know they are wrong. But, inflation measures have real impact on real people, particularly people on Social Security, because they only time they get extra income is when their check gets adjusted, so if the adjustment is too high, they end up better off, and if it is too low, they end up worse off. A single year’s error makes little difference, but over a decade, changes become obvious.
In the 60’s people on Social Security lived in poverty. Nursing homes of the time were merely warehouses to hold them until they passed, with little to no niceties, because they couldn’t afford any niceties. Thanks to the CPI significantly overstating inflation in the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s, the standard of living for the elderly rose dramatically. By the 90’s, instead of nursing homes, people moved to “retirement communities”, with lots of amenities, because the elderly had plenty of spending power, and could afford them.
Now, if Shadow stats is right, the standard of living for those on Social Security has fallen by more than 2/3 since 1996, and they are obviously back in poverty. Retirement communities must be closing for lack of customers, and there must be a boom in nursing homes again, to once again warehouse the increasingly poor elderly. But wait, that’s not happening. Instead, they continue to build more retirement communities, and in fact, even nicer ones, proving that in order to believe Shadow stats, you have to divorce yourself from reality. The reality is that for the elderly, the standard of living continues to rise, though not nearly as fast as it rose in the 60’s, 70’s, and 80s, meaning that the CPI continues to exceed actual inflation, but not by nearly as much.
Now, if Ted is right, and inflation is 10% a year, whoa! The ramifications are huge! Since their CPI adjustment has been about 2% a year, their standard of living must be falling 8% a year. In the 25 years since they started adjusting CPI, their standard of living must have fallen nearly 90%! The elderly must not even be able to afford to eat cat food anymore!
I can’t keep you from believing things that are demonstrably false, but I can point out the ridiculously absurd conclusions that must follow if your beliefs are true.
It is somewhere in the middle. Things are never as great as stated. They can get bad though as we saw in 2009. Anything that doesnt take into account equivalent costs for food, fuel, housing and healthcare is just delusional.
What exactly are you saying is growing by 10% annually? Debt of some sort?
Sounds like gobbldey goop to me
Annual $1.2T deficits are enough to create a semi-convincing Potemkin village, which is essentially what our economy has become. Ignore the stock buybacks, household debt, crooked BLS stats, and more to maintain the illusion.
Also, as everyone else mentions, if things are so great why is everyone screaming for rate cuts? A mere 2.25% is more than we can handle?
The only expansion is massive currency creation and govt,longest money printing driven “expansion”,subtract the $150 plus trillion central banks have printed over the decade to buy /prop up everything (literally)and buy time.And they’re just warmin up,QE4/NIRP drops this summer and it’s gonna be epic!!!!
The present expansion is very weak in all ways outside of duration. It’s pathetic compared to past expansions,
Wall St and the top 10% are only interest in ASSET appreciation aka bubble size!
With the entire world economy mired in an ever deepening inflationary depression, how could anyone tell if a recession has started?
It started a long time go. At least by 2008.
The EXACT starting point will be only obvious retrospectively, by NBER!
Until then it is just speculation