A 51-year-old US citizen shot by federal immigration officer. What we know.
Please note another US Citizen is shot and killed during Minneapolis immigration crackdown, National Guard activated.
A federal immigration officer shot and killed a man Saturday in Minneapolis, drawing hundreds of protesters onto the frigid streets and ratcheting up tensions in a city already shaken by another fatal shooting weeks earlier.
Family members identified the man who was killed as Alex Pretti, a 37-year-old intensive care unit nurse who had protested President Donald Trump’s immigration crackdown in his city. After the shooting, an angry crowd gathered and protesters clashed with federal immigration officers, who wielded batons and deployed flash bangs.
Department of Homeland Security spokesperson Tricia McLaughlin said in a statement that federal officers were conducting an operation and fired “defensive shots” after a man with a handgun approached them and “violently resisted” when officers tried to disarm him. The officer who shot the man is an eight-year Border Patrol veteran, federal officials said.
In bystander videos of the shooting that emerged soon after, Pretti is seen with a phone in his hand but none appears to show him with a visible weapon.
O’Hara said police believe the man was a “lawful gun owner with a permit to carry.”
Trump said the governor and mayor are “are inciting Insurrection, with their pompous, dangerous, and arrogant rhetoric.”
Trump, a Republican, said the governor and mayor are “are inciting Insurrection, with their pompous, dangerous, and arrogant rhetoric.”
Pretti was shot just over a mile from where an Immigration and Customs Enforcement officer shot and killed 37-year-old Renee Good on Jan. 7, sparking widespread protests.
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Expected Bullshit from Racist Idiot Stephen Miller
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Ice Agent Claps
Total Bullshit
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Lead DHS Attorney
BREAKING NEWS (NYT): Lead DHS Attorney From First Trump Administration—Repeat, *Trump Administration*—Confirms That What America Is Now Experiencing Is Lawless, Premeditatedly Cruel Fascism
Homeland Security Summoned to Congress
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Marine Veteran Speaks Up
Statement of Support from the NRA
The NYT has the best coverage by far. Here is a free link to Minneapolis Live Updates: Man Killed by Federal Agents Was Holding a Phone, Not a Gun
LIFO Last in First Out Updates
Some high-profile gun rights activists and groups bristled on Saturday at government officials’ claims that federal agents may have been justified in killing a Minneapolis man during a protest because he was carrying a pistol.
The right to bear arms in public has been a mainstay of the gun rights movement.
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John Mitnick, who once was the head attorney at the Department of Homeland Security in the first Trump administration, criticized his former agency on Saturday night. “I am enraged and embarrassed by DHS’s lawlessness, fascism, and cruelty,” he wrote on social media.
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Attorney General Pam Bondi sent a letter to Gov. Tim Walz of Minnesota on Saturday, blaming him and other Democratic elected officials for allowing “lawlessness.” In the letter, Bondi demanded that state officials turn over records of welfare recipients; that local officials “repeal sanctuary policies;” and that the state turn over voter records to the Department of Justice. “The time has come for state and local officials in your state to change course,” she wrote. It was uncertain whether the letter was sent before or after the shooting.
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Hours after the Pretti shooting, Representative Andrew Garbarino, Republican of New York and the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, formally requested that the heads of ICE, Customs and Border Patrol, and U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services testify at a full hearing. Republicans have been generally supportive of the Trump administration’s immigration policies and have conducted few formal oversight efforts.
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Mary Moriarty, the elected prosecutor in Hennepin County, which includes Minneapolis, said in a video statement that her office, along with state officials, was “committed to conducting an objective investigation into this case.” She encouraged people with information that might help that investigation to submit materials through an online portal.
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Five Twin Cities suburbs filed a legal brief on Saturday asking a federal judge to impose limits on how federal immigration agents carry out their work. The brief is part of a lawsuit filed by the state of Minnesota and the cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul that challenges the legality of the ICE surge and the tactics of federal agents. A hearing in the case is set for Monday.
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Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the Democratic leader, said in a statement that Senate Democrats would vote to block a bipartisan spending package that would fund the Department of Homeland Security and other parts of the government. The Senate is set to take up the measure, which includes $10 billion for ICE, ahead of a shutdown deadline at the end of January. “Senate Democrats will not provide the votes to proceed to the appropriations bill if the DHS funding bill is included,” he said.
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Gov. Janet Mills of Maine has requested a meeting with President Trump to ask him to remove federal immigration agents from her state after a second fatal shooting by federal officers in Minnesota. Immigration agents started focusing on Maine this week, the Department of Homeland Security said on Wednesday.
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Kristi Noem called the victim of the shooting a domestic terrorist. “This individual who came with weapons and ammunition to stop a law enforcement operation of federal law enforcement officers committed an act of domestic terrorism,” she said. “That’s the facts.” Earlier in the day, Stephen Miller described the man as a domestic terrorist as well.
This administration is truly a pack of deranged liars.
But that’s non-news, just the facts.
In the news, looks like another government shutdown is on deck. Republicans will not have 60 votes to kill any filibuster .
This is a proven lie
https://x.com/MattVerderame/status/2015199266872996013?s=20
Promoting anything else shows how stupid you are.
=emotions, emotions
why would doctor/male nurse carry gun in broad daylight?
=1 was he afraid for his life and always carried gun?
=2 was he going to confront protesters?
=3 was he going to confront ICE?
either he was stupid and deliberately brought gun into center of confrontation
or it was way worse, and he planned using against ICE (=fed authority) someway !!! that is obv. illegal.
alx
why would doctor/male nurse carry gun in broad daylight?
Because it is his constitutional right to do so?
“A man carries a gun, he tends to use it.”
— The Magnificent Seven (Sam Chisolm)
Well after being disarmed, any such tendency is PRET-TY irrelevant, don’t you agree Jojo?
Nope. He could also have had a 2nd gun or a knife. Better safe than sorry against a crazed peacenik.
And the cellphone in his hand could have been mistaken for a gun in the heat of the moment.
shut up piggy
Since Mish recently brought up a South Park clip (“Blame Canada”) I’d suggest also watching “It’s Coming Right For Us”. We’ll hear that excuse next.
So could everyone else. Best to shoot them all from a safe distance.
So they didn’t have handcuffs…?
If a person is disarmed, wouldn’t the next step be to restrict the gun owner’s limbs, etc., then handcuff them, then pat search him for other weapons before shooting him at least 10 times, particularly with several ICE officers already surrounding him?
The track record of ICE and the Border Patrol on deescalating, detention and arrest is terrible. They are reactive and not proactive. Their tactics are aggressive to say the least and to be kind. A more accurate description would be modeled on fascist regimes’ law enforcement strategies and tactics.
ICE has recruited and hired since their funding too many goon squad and jackbooted thug personality types. The new hires that are not of the brown shirt ilk have not been trained in law enforcement detention, arrest methods in an urban setting nor have those that were in ICE and the Border Patrol that were on board before Trump II’s administration been trained.
How do I know this? Their actions and more importantly their supervisors reactions towards civilian shootings and murder.
Holy shit, I thought you were borderline sensible in the past. What the fuck is wrong with you?
Well it seems to be true for ice agents.
Sounds like a great argument for confiscation of all guns. It definitely applies to DHS.
don’t play games w/ me , buddy!
again, FOR RETA11RDED LIKE YOU
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why would doctor/male nurse carry gun in broad daylight?
repeal the 2nd amendment. no doubt the patriots agree. /sarc
again. STILL NO ANSWER!
why would nurse/doctor carry gun in the morning , on street?
“Because there is no First Amendment without the Second Amendment”
-Charlie Kirk
dumbass–he does not need to answer to you or anyone else as to why they are carrying a legally owned gun in a legal manner
i blocked you long ago, so no clue what you wanted. you are dopey as i recall. i block lots of assholes.
They will. There is nothing a piggy won’t give up joyously for PedoPig.
shut up piggy
moron–he does not need to answer to you or anyone else as to why they are carrying a legally owned gun in a legal manner
Again, because he has a constitutional right to do so.
He was afraid for his life – duhhh
He made a CHOICE. He paid for that CHOICE with his life.
Others should take lessons from this.
Because he had the constitutional right to, you you boot fellator!
asshole–he does not need to answer to you or anyone else as to why they are carrying a legally owned gun in a legal manner
Regardless of your irrelevant and diversionary question, why was he shot? That’s the question needing an answer. I suspect it’s the usual answer – these goons don’t like their supposed authority to be questioned. Typical behaviour of anyone with a little power for too long.
The bigger question is why the quick judgement from above? These so-called leaders should be calming the anger by demanding a wait till the facts are known. Instead, they are quick to blame the victim then twist the narrative.
Something wrong in America.
Epstein, again.
One is not thinking straight or logically when bringing a pistol to a protest, whether he/she is legally entitled to do so or not. It’s really sad to see someone killed over something like this. But the Feds have supremacy over states and local governments. Wave a flag or hold a sign on the sidewalk, and live to see another day.
maybe
He was thinking he might have to defend himself or others. He was right.
The death penalty is then justified?
Brian didn’t say that. He was entirely within his rights to carry, but it was stupid, given ICE’s documented recent actions. He got murdered and the shooter will be convicted. Small comfort to the dead man’s parents.
I’m not confident at all the shooter will be tried of any crime, much less convicted of murder. We don’t even know who the shooter was. The feds have refused to let the City or State into the crime scene.
Yeah, and everyone involved will be fired/impeached /s
Wow! Really?? I am a gun owner, but one who is adamantly against liberal gun carry laws. I could make a strong argument that the 2nd Amendment does not broadly support individual gun rights outside of owning guns for hunting, sport, or home protection. But the way the 2nd Amendment is currently interpreted, individuals have a Constitional right to own and conditionally carry a gun in public places for protection. This was never more celebrated than this scene from several years ago, when Kyle Rittenhouse walked down the middle of the street during the Rodney King protests, carrying an assault style weapon. Kyle was a young white man (a profile that is most commonly associated with mass shooters) and was never even approached by the police.
Rittenhouse was born more than 10 years after the Rodney King protests. Do you mean The Rooftop Koreans?
Sorry, meant to type Floyd protests.
Mish, this is what a lot of the comments look like:
https://x.com/damintoell/status/2015300500120351046/photo/1
ha ha ha. those 2nd amendment patriots were always full of shit. i could smell their bootlicking a mile away attending countless tea party meet ups and 2nd amendment lectures………personally i love living in towns that everyone carries. legally or illegally. brooklyn to AZ and SC. i always knew the modern amerikan man would disarm themselves when the government came a knocking. just following orders
“Boston Strong”
Has it even been determined if he was carrying his gun in broad daylight like some are saying? Seems to me like he would have been carrying it concealed and nobody would have seen it until he was wrestled to the ground and it fell out of his holster or pocket.
He may have even informed them that he was carrying, when they started frisking him.
That’s what it looked like to me.
Promoting any side before an proper investigation is stupid. Remember John Adams and the Boston Massacre?
Exactly. But the drooling deranged libtards would be bored if they couldn’t bloviate their bullshit.
Look at the videos. You don’t need someone to tell you what to think about them.
Isn’t fairly obvious what happened from the video?
Seems unlikely there will be a proper investigation.
There won’t be a proper investigation. Good thing cell phones have cameras, sure have cut crime. They are also quite good at capturing misbehavior by the authorities.
Murderers.
The Trump issued his decree–only criminals carry guns
and the bootlickers start licking
Licking, hell deep throating. They love the taste of boot.
This death, like the killing of Renee Good, is a direct result of the left’s attempt to obstruct immigration enforcement. There is an active, well-organized movement of ICE obstruction in Minneapolis. Renee Good was obstructing ICE operations after dropping off her son. Pretti was a member of the same network of ICE obstructors. He was responding to an ICE alert in the neighborhood when the confrontation occurred. Any involvement with ICE would trigger a potentially explosive situation because he had weapon.
These incidents will continue as long as the left continues to obstruct immigration enforcement. Law enforcement (ICE is part of Federal law enforcement for immigration) has never faced persistent, obstruction to their work. In 2020, Democrats encouraged their mobs to riot by refusing to prosecute rioters and allowing riots to continue. At times, active resisting arrest incidents occurred, but these incidents did not have the active network of illegal obstruction that is occurring now.
The left with the careful encouragement of Democrat politicians, does not acknowledge ICE’s authority for detention. This mindset has been long ingrained through Democrat sanctuary policies and laws. The left does not recognize ICE’s authority to monitor, apprehend, detain, and deport individuals for immigration violations including visa overstays, deportation orders, staying in the USA after TPS has ended as well as other immigration violations. Trump wants to restore respect for US immigration laws. The left wants to maintain disrespect and complete ignoring of immigration laws.
With the odd and excessive number of likes and dislikes, I think Russian bots are again operative in this disruptive American issue. I have observed this Russian activity in other commentaries of You Tube reviews regarding the lawless murder of VA ICU nurse Pretti. The real time videos of this and other incidents confirm these border guards are the 1940’s equivalents of concentration camp brutal goons without rules, without restraint, and without humanity fully backed up by their fascist commandants, Goebbels propagandists and national leadership equivalents. Except a Russian Bot or a pro-Putin fascist-communist, what real American could support incapacitating a citizen with pepper spray, pistol whipping him on the ground and murdering a him in cold blood, emptying a clip?
What was once an economics blog has turned into a polarized echo chamber attacking dissenting opinions.
All this finger pointing of who is right and who is wrong is missing the bigger picture. There are forces at play that want the dissolution of the United States, and they are winning. Anarchist wannabe’s, Marxists shills, China apologists, Islamist sympathizers, leftist social media apps, all have played the long game in turning the US, and most western countries, against themselves.
In looking at all of this, it’s clear that Alex Pretti and Renee Good are just the latest pawns to be sacrificed for media clips to fan the flames of war. ICE agents and Trump himself are the first.
Is a US civil war, and the commensurate breakdown of western civilization, inevitable? Can the midterm elections bring the US back from the brink? Does anybody want the US to come back from the brink?
Midterms won’t fix this if people are afraid to show up. When armed agents can kill with impunity, fear becomes a political tool. That’s how democracy dies.
I agree with what you say.
But do you honestly believe that people not showing up to vote because they will be killed by armed federal agents is a rational fear?
It is now.
Not because most people think they’ll be killed. But because enough people will suspect trouble, intimidation, or escalation. Especially in swing states, to change behaviour. Elections are often decided by very small numbers. You don’t need widespread fear, just enough uncertainty to suppress turnout.
No edit, so just want to make a personal plea to Mish, that videos like this is where he should be looking to get his information from, not from agenda pushing nutbars on X-Twitter.
https://youtu.be/lUMqFGsPpLQ?si=JxxBQ75Ebwqoqzof
Well said……….
And now what looks to have happened is when the agent that took the gun away and backed off to walk away with the gun, the gun discharged and that set off the chain of events in milli seconds for agents to open fire
But 99% of the people here already know what happened and have bloviated for over 24 hours about it was an intentional execution………………………..
Do they realize this is the same ICE chief under Obama?
When I asked here 2 weeks ago what changed they said it was the tactics and now ICE are all nazis.
Meanwhile they had no idea that NGO groups have been going after ICE agents since september in that city specifically and creating confrontations in every instance. And now showing up armed. And getting in the middle of a legal police action.
And this is the result of it. Its like they come to the game in 8th inning and have no fucking clue what is actually going on in the background.
A lot of smart people here that think they know what is actually going on on the streets of our cities and what the democratic party is up to but they have no fucking clue.
Liberatarians. People to embarrassed to admit they voted democrat their entire lives
A 37-year-old ICU nurse is dead for the crime of helping someone who’d been pepper sprayed, and lawfully carrying a gun. Disarmed, then shot. Armed state agents acting without restraint, accountability or consequence, backed by those in power. Call it what it is: this is Gestapo behaviour, now normalised in America.
Update: MAGA has finally found the perfect excuse to support ICE in this shooting.
After the gun was removed from Alex Pretti by an ICE agent, Alex attempted to reach for his now missing gun, therefore he showed intent to shoot the ICE officers and therefore the ICE officers were justified in shooting him. Case closed.
You can’t make this stuff up.
Back to economics and investing. Unless you are really inhaling the koolaid one can see where this is going. If Trump doesn’t restrain his increasingly feckless and reckless actions as president there will be worldwide disinvestment of anything American. Got gold? Very soon I am going to sell my last remaining stock, Palantir, at a very very healthy profit and go to silver leaving me with a very large percentage of my holdings in PM’s.
Totally untrained ICE agents acting like maniacs against someone who wasn’t a threat (although provoking police or ICE is a death wish). And on the other hand, the general cameras have shifted away from the ongoing Somali scandal in MN and ME, and the very strange bills proposed and passing in VA. House Bill 1442 prohibits enforcement of immigration laws within 40 feet of a polling place.
Meanwhile, irrelevant to this topic but relevant in the Big Picture, former Qatar prime minister openly says on camera “We had (western) journalists on our payroll“.
Trump hit way too many hornet nests simultaneously, and doesn’t know how to handle them. But the ordinary citizen is now getting way too exhausted with zoomed-in screams.
I don’t need to be convinced of the brutality of trigger-happy US police etc., I’ve been following this topic for decades. But I won’t be convinced that “economics are people” when the camera deliberately zooms to mean that “people” are primarily Somali scammers and their defenders. Or that economic indicators were healthy when public services were robbed to purchase large homes and luxurious cars.
I’m zooming out on the big picture, take a last peek, then turn off the camera. More than ever I need my mind for myself.
Mike writes, This is a proven lie…Promoting anything else shows how stupid you are.
But there is another explanation:
I will discuss that in a post.
That is sort of happening and it backfired.
I totally disagree with what ICE is doing. I only wanted the borders closed(which to me, is a DUH issue) and the criminals thrown out. This is far worse.
Also, while I fully support the 2nd, there’s no way I would put on a gun and go to ground zero. Place is nothing but wild emotions and bad judgement you are just asking for trouble even if it’s you’re legal right.
I don’t know what the answer is, but showing up armed with dozens of elevated hormone goons is a bad idea.
This is all heading in a very dangerous direction.
Maybe it demonstrates just how dangerous it is.
To come out and say “if you’re armed around cops you could get shot and that’s on you” doors make a mockery of the second amendment. A subject very close to some.
Wake up! Wake up! President Trump placed Stephen Miller, a universally reviled person for his extreme nationalistic views when it comes to immigrants, in charge of immigration policy. We are seeing the impact of putting such a person in charge of immigration policy with a militarized ICE agency, the abandonment of prioritizing the deportation of dangerous criminal undocumented immigrants in favor of mass deportation of any non-citizen, whether or not they have committed a serious crime or not. It is all about deportations by quota, creating an environment of fear, and stoking protests that can then be violently quelled.
I don’t blame Miller; he is an unelected appointee of the elected President. It is no secret how extreme Miller’s views are, so the President knowingly emp;owered him to insert his extreme views in policy and action.
Don’t blame the “goons”; blame the President who elevates and empowers them.
Blame Donald Trump; the buck stops with the President when it comes to the actions of his appointees. These appointees serve at the pleasure of the President. So, given that Miller is still a top advisor, Bovino is still in his job, Homan is still in his job, and Noem is still cosplaying her role as Secretary of Homeland Security, Donald Trump must be deriving pleasure from what they are doing and allowing to be done.
180 people were killed needlessly because Biden refused to do his job. Same goes for rape, drugs and child trafficking.
That’s your only response to government executions of law-abiding US citizens? Hard to find the facts when you’re always on your knees licking stormtrooper boots.
Dumb ass. Stay away and let ICE do their job!
That’s the logic. Public killing as a warning to others. History has seen this before, and it was never called justice.
Looking at that video is very disturbing. Like I have said previously expect it to get much worse.
It’s just the beginning…I said once ICE goons got away with murder they will keep repeating over and over again and the violence will escalate and here we are waiting for the next level up. Everyone who voted Trump now has blood on their hands and taint on their soul that won’t come off.
Eventually anti-ICE goon will show up and start shooting, I predict a sniper type attack much like this one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers
Got exit strategy?
So roughly half of voters have blood on their hands now? Bullshit. The blood is on the hands of the administration and their goons. At some point the war will shift from left vs right => up vs down (i.e. government vs the people).
Edit : I’d go so far as to suggest it already has, and for years. But it is perception that leads to eventual recognition that this is the truth. Given incompetence, I think there’s a good chance that they lose control of the narrative, as they have with Epstein, Israel/Gaza, etc. With every disaster, with every public execution, more people lose confidence in the very foundations of this government. Iran/regional war, high oil prices, multiple currency crises and economic collapse are on deck next!
Typical Nazi fruit cake response… I take no responsibility!
A good German never questioned what the Nazis said
Collectively we will all be punished for grave errors. What’s your proposed solution to avoiding blame in the future.. not vote? You are an unserious individual. Call me a Nazi? Go eff off.
Anyone who voted trump is complicit. The only way to wash the blood off your hands is to help clean up the mess you made. I won’t hold my breath though, it will be the rest of Americans who do the heavy lifting while degenerate maga keep blaming everyone but themselves.
What are YOU doing, and what do you mean by “clean up the mess”? You’re sitting there at your keyboard, as am I. You might as well say the same about Gaza. I didn’t vote for genocide, yet it’s happened. The world will hold all of us accountable, and there will be collective punishment for our sins. The reset that is coming might be an absolute dystopian hell, but there’s an opportunity there too. The government eventually will have a lot less capacity to build up its military, pay off goons, and keep everything intact.
Did you vote for Trump?
Crickets
It’s time for Republicans to come out of their deep hole of fascism and become Americans again. Only Republicans are responsible for this un-American conduct and only Republicans can solve the issue without violence. Unless they act the American public will have no choice except violent protest and the take over of the current administration. The military must join everyday Americans and overthrow this criminal POTUS and his regime. America is at best a second world country and quickly headed to third world status as far as civil rights are concerned.
Illogical. How can one square “without violence” with having the military/people overthrow the government? Also, we must move beyond left vs right. Suppression and executive overreach has some continuity spanning administrations. The people need to break out of the current mindset that it’s some other block of voters that is all at fault, and the chosen leader is the one who will make all right. Yes, there are true cult members, but at some level I think most have been propagandized to a degree regardless of political affiliation. I think there’s value in not identifying as a member of any party (even though I probably would fit in nicely with Ron Paul and Thomas Massie) – can consider new information and change my mind when necessary.
Read it again…. did you miss the word UNLESS ?
The fascists are the ones who intimidate ppl in public to raise their fists in support while they’re trying to have a meal at a restaurant. The fascists are the ones storming into a church to disrupt them over political disagreements, either real or perceived. The fascists are the ones screaming at ppl for wearing a shirt with the US flag on it.
That’s coming from the Left side of the spectrum and it’s a daily occurrence
5.4 million of illegal immigrants entered the US between 2021 and January 2025. They committed in total 180 homicides in 2021 to 2024, CBP statistics. Average US homicide rate is around 5 per 100 000 people per year. This means that 5.4 million US citizens on average kills 220 of another US citizens per year or 880 over 4 years.
So, in reality, these immigrants were killing 4 times less of people than US population.
What conclusions can we draw from that?
… so let’s shoot white people?
Are these the numbers from the Republican immigrant’s liar group?
The Man showed up, to what was reported as a peaceful protest, carrying a Gun and loaded rounds of ammunition. So far so good, as he was a legal carrier.
Unfortunately For this Man, He refused for whatever reason, NOT to continue to follow the Law. In a situation such as this, one must identify that the are carrying a firearm and that they are licensed to carry such, and have that license clearly visible in the air for ALL To See!
As a result, in the ensuing unrest, and confusion, the Man was shot, as an armed person, not self identified and illegally assumed to be carrying.
As a trained officer in this situation, you fire first, and ask questions after, or you end up dead yourself.
Complete bullshit. Most police are cowards like the ones hiding outside the school at Uvalde.
Well as a coward, they may not shoot, but this trained officer, was not a coward, and defended himself rightfully, and according to the law.
He was not defending himself or others, he was committing first degree murder. They are poorly trained if at all and not really vetted before hiring.
We’ll see what a jury says. A Minneapolis jury. A man’s gotta know his limitations.
Defended himself? From what?
If the shoe fits…
https://preview.redd.it/send-trump-another-fifa-peace-prize-award-infanito-my-twin-v0-x77yci6mwffg1.png?auto=webp&s=25fa91c90e7b2ae63d8659e1d73c8448b186a993
You and your effn boot-licking delusions
He was standing there videoing with a phone,
Was he asked whether he was armed–
NO HE WAS NOT ASKED. THE FIRST MOMENT OF INTERACTION AT THE MOMENT HE WAS PUSHED AND SPRAYED WITH MACE. HE WAS BEATEN ABOUT THE HEAD AND DOGPILED– HIS WEAPON WAS REMOVED AND THEN SHOT 9 TIMES
What is your impression of the law? A police force that can push you down for recording in a public space? That has the right to spray you with mace and kick and beat you? And then shoot you?
At no point was the question asked, and until the dogpile no one knew
Stu is an absolute imbecile, I wouldn’t waste my breath
Because you can’t handle the truth, should fling you into assault mode onto others…
Lol be quiet piggie
Poor baby. Space not safe enough?
It’s fun to kick him because I know he’s too stupid for it to hurt.
– Was he asked whether he was armed?
> Not anyone’s obligation to do so, it’s the Responsibility of the weapons carrier to MAKE IT A POINT, so this doesn’t occur. For whatever reason, he not only didn’t have his license to carry on him, I don’t believe, and I don’t even think he had identification on his person either, and that’s a problem when your carrying a loaded firearm around.
Stu we can always count on you for the low IQ take! So many dumb flaws in your argument that it’s not worth replying other than to try to get it through your thick skull just how ill equipped you are to be pontificating in the first place!
Just name one untruth?
Not engaging on your dumb post for the same reason I won’t mud wrestle a pig
It’s impossible to know the truth until Kristi Noem completes her investigation.
The Man’s firearm was removed from him, and in the process he reached down and grabbed a fire arm again. Cops yelled firearm once again, and he was shot as a result. Nothing wrong here, but the man trying to brandish a weapon once again, after having it taken from him. How hard is this? Did you see ALL the footage? It clearly shows all of this occurring.
So you are saying he had a second firearm?
In the video a gun is removed from his hand, and in the ensuing scuffle, he leans down and picks back up a gun in his hand.
I haven’t seen that video.
Are you telling stories, Stu?
Are you sure that was a gun and not a phone?
Second amendment means nothing to nazi pigs like you.
I applaud it! I come from a long line of Military Men! My Dad was at the Bay of Pigs issue that thankfully never materialized. I have family going way back in the service. I t believe facts still show that states with carry have less crime.
What do you think of a lawful citizen being disarmed and executed for carrying?
The posts that defend this campaign of terror and oppression are disheartening.
No terror campaign going on, as it was meant to be a self proclaimed “Peaceful Protest” No oppression going on, as he was allowed to carry the weapon.
Why he would carry a concealed weapon at a peaceful protest and refuse to identify that He was in fact doing so, will never be answered I suppose. One must follow the law, or potentially pay the consequence for such refusal. It’s why we have laws in the first place…
Be quiet dummy
Still awaiting the untruth, what’s a matter, cat got your tongue! Maybe your just being a “Quiet Dummy”
Allowed him to carry it? They tackled him, took his gun, and mag dumped into him.
Yet, he managed to grab another gun!
Cite your source.
A video I watched.
Link to the video, and time or you’re just spewing nazi lies.
… and time passed, and no link ever came.
Shocking video shows moment armed man shot dead in Minneapolis while he ‘violently resisted’ federal agents. Try Anna Young?
ICE only posted a picture of one gun (in the backseat, with the magazine.)
Where do you get the idea of a ‘second gun’?
If you’re wrong on that, you have to admit they executed an unarmed man, on his hands and knees, in broad daylight.
And you are defending that.
All they have to do is watch the video to the end. The guy face down on the ground both hands both hands on the pavement, and they light him up.
They won’t though. The’ll just repeat what the nazis tell them to.
No, I happened to see a video that disputes that. I’m not playing judge or jury, and neither should you. I wasn’t there, and can only go by video footage, and discussions I heard or news I read like you, unless your privy to more than that?
Why are the anti gun liberals all of a sudden so big on the right to carry a gun to a confrontation. Same question applys to taking your SUV to a confrontation?
It’s just possible that the people on this board aren’t the liberal caricature that you get off of your social media. These are libertarians for the most part. The fact that you can’t tell the difference speaks volumes.
The video evidence is heart breaking. It looks like cold-blooded murder of a harmless American citizen exercising his rights … and the government reflexively lies into our faces without a trace of shame.
Get used to it, I don’t see anything that will end this situation any time soon. It is essentially the military occupation of a city by a hostile army.
Repeat 1000 times-“the government is not your friend”. Thugs with 80 IQ’s will always misbehave when they have a badge. I served in the Army from 68-70, you wouldn’t believe the things Americans did and bragged about it.
See the movie Cover-Up on Netflix about the career of journalist Sy Hersh, who was the first to report on the My Lai massacre.
Not a good time to be in the Army.
If there was anyone in Greenland that wanted to join the US, I am sure they changed their mind.
I wonder what would happen if these people complied with law enforcement instead of fighting them? Good thing all the raving libtards wait to get a full analysis of what really happened before having a foaming mouth rabid shitfit, Oh I forgot facts never matter in libtard land.
Thank you for the downvotes unhinged libturds. Confirms I’m right
You’re welcome degenerate boot licker
Get your facts straight. I’m free, not liberal. And you are welcome.
You are free to be a craven bootlicker in America
That’s what some citizens we’re saying in 1776 as well. The founding fathers and pro-revolution citizens were insurrectionists who told the king to go stuff. And the British soldiers who were busting their doors down without a warrant at least weren’t wearing black masks.
STILL did not get ANSWER!
why would nurse/doctor carry gun in the morning , on street?
Quiet piggy
Because he has a right to do so.
Once he acts to prevent law enforcement from carrying out their duty he has put himself in a situation where he is now acting as a criminal. These are not peaceful protests but efforts to prevent the carrying out of legal law enforcement.
These are thugs assaulting a populace because they didn’t vote for trump. Get your facts straight.
I’ve answered three times: because he had the constitutional right to
Good Germans HATE freedom and can’t even comprehend why a person would do something a police officer might not approve of.
TRUMP IS DESTINED TO GET THE MUSSOLINI TREATMENT. MANY REPUGS ARE TURNING ON HIM. THE RETARDS WILL STICK WITH HIM.
you know any threat against sitting president is federal crime
if you think you are not in USA, or behind firewall or something you are safe
YOU ARE NOT !! it IS NOT BIG DEAL FOR NSA/FBI
be careful!
what the fuck are you talking about little alex. how the fuck is saying trump will get the mussolini treatment by the masses in the future a threat. you boot licking nazi. go back to the hole you crawled out of. i was a federal agent. and have lots of mobster pals. don’t fuck with me. take that as a warning to your insane threat.
Are you okay? I agree with your first statement, but the latter comes across as an thinly veiled threat as well. “Mobster pals”?
blocking you now you asshole.
Don’t block him, abuse him. Ridicule him. Use him for what he was made for.
Pathetic loser
Crawl back under your rock you vermin
He had absolutely nothing to do with this?
Be quiet moron, seriously
We all want you to be, so stop telling yourself to be, and simply STFU. YOU would be doing us all a huge favor. That or watch the entire video and see why all you’re denying occurred for some strange reason. Do you wear glasses by chance? Did you have them on, or just being spiteful?
where is outrage about Mayorkas when he was on TV and lied directly into camera about order on border?
and meantime CNN /Abc showed thousands and thousands illegals already inside USA, and many more on Mexico side?
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you reap what you sow, The Good book says!!
where is OUTRAGE ABOUT Laken Riley???
On February 22, 2024, Laken Riley, a 22-year-old Augusta University nursing student,[4] was attacked and murdered while she was jogging at the University of Georgia (UGA) in Athens, Georgia, United States.[5][6] Her body was found in Oconee Forest Park near Lake Herrick;[7] her death was caused by blunt force trauma and asphyxiation.[4][8] The perpetrator, José Antonio Ibarra, was a 26-year-old Venezuelan man who had entered the United States illegally.
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Did Mish post about her?
No because it will offend libtards.
“whataboutism” is a sign you’re wrong and you know it.
Even if a thousand people had died that kind of miserable death at the hands of illegal aliens, it’s no excuse for depriving the other 350 million of us of our fourth amendment rights. I have no problem with ice rounding up illegal aliens who are criminals, I have a problem with them wearing black masks and using illegal unconstitutional means to do it. The fourth amendment applies to everybody, not just citizens. Ice officers swore an oath to the Constitution to uphold and defend it, they didn’t swear an oath to ice.
She shot her own puppy. It wasn’t Old Yeller. It was a puppy. Last time I checked, they’re still cute as hell. How deranged does a person have to be to actually pull the trigger on their own puppy? (Go to social media and do a search for cute puppy videos). Michael Vick hung/drowned some of his dogs, so it’s not entirely unheard of. She claims the puppy was misbehaving. She also claims a mommy and an ICU nurse at a hospital for sick veterans of the United States military were misbehaving.
Gold at 5149 and silver at 116 at apmex. Gonna go parabolic as our currency goes the way of weimar, and continental and confederate dollas, and russia in 90s, and Argentina every 20 years
ICE is nothing less than a slow moving invasion by an enemy force. This is totally UN-American and must be stopped. MN should leave the US and apply to become a providence of Canada.
it’s as amerikan as apple pie. though i share your sentiments, of course.
bet pals in 2018, that states will secede by jan 20, 2029. no doubt i was correct. whether it is announced or not, it is happening. they will stop sending taxes to DC and Trump fascists.
A pretty bad week for Trump
-US companies don’t want to drill oil in Venezuela – was Maduro’s extraction a futile excercise?
-Norway published Trump’s childish letter to their PM
-Trump’s speech in Davos – when reading half of it my first feeling was Jesus that reads like Brezhnev’s nonsense in late 1970s
-Trump got bloody nose in his spat over Greenland (her, I overestimated DJT’s abilities in my previous comments)
-Lutnick managed to blow up dinner for top 100 dogs in Davos, it was cancled before desert was served
-Trump offended many NATO allies by his stupied rant They never helped us. Starmer demanded public apology, Polish general (!!) called Trump fucking draft dodger.
-special councel clearly stated what he discovered about Trump’s role in J6
-Karl Rove running around and telling everybody that if things continue the same direction then GOP can kiss 2026 midterms good bye
-another round of trade war with Canada declared by DJT
-another killing in Minneapolis. Trump writting faster than thinking, again, the guy never learns.
Trump is now on defense. Internationally, domestically, in GOP. He is not a good defence player. He prefers to be attacking. We will see if attacking Iran is a good idea. Trump is not Bush junior and we are not in 2003.
Trump thinking: “At least they’re not talking about those damn Epstein files.”
Perhaps slow walking to release a month or two before mid terms when they will do the most damage.
I’ll be waiting to hear hpw you plan to fix this problem? Not just list todays problems.
Those aren’t our problems, those are Trump’s problems. He created each of them.
Unless he’s in the current administration or state or local government, it’s not his job to fix the problems of the people (although I’d posit we all share responsibility to fix problems, starting with our own). At least he has a handle on some of the many problems that have been unleashed.
Personally, I’d start by getting inspiration from the great late Bob Newhart. There’s a skit called “Stop It” (video on YouTube). Whatever we’re doing that’s illogical and counterproductive, just stop it.
I think it is clear that almost anyone could have done better than Trump. Not you, of course, but any intelligent person.
Not mine but 100% correct:
I want to start by saying this plainly: This is not a partisan speech.
This is not a left-versus-right argument. And this is not about who you voted for. This is about recognizing a political ideology before it fully takes hold.
Many people assume fascism only exists once a country becomes a dictatorship. That assumption is historically false. Fascism does not arrive fully formed. It advances incrementally, under the cover of patriotism, security, and loyalty to a leader. So let’s define the term clearly.
Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian political ideology marked by:
-Extreme nationalism.
-Concentration of power in a single leader.
-Suppression of opposition and civil liberties-Militarism.
-Rejection of democratic norms and the rule of law
That definition is not political opinion. It is academic consensus. Now the question is not: Is America a fascist dictatorship today? The real question is: Does the current administration operate using fascist ideology? I believe the answer is yes, and I’ll explain why.
Nationalism alone isn’t fascism, but ultranationalism is its foundation. When a political movement frames the nation as being in decline, promises to restore past glory, and treats dissent as unpatriotic, history tells us to pay attention. “Make America Great Again” is not just a slogan, it’s a worldview.
It implies a lost greatness, a defined “real” America, and a belief that the nation’s status justifies extraordinary actions. We have watched laws broken or dismissed as technicalities because they were “for the good of the country.” That is the moment nationalism crosses into something dangerous, when loyalty to the nation is used to excuse violations of the rule of law. That is textbook nationalist justification.
Authoritarianism is not about tanks in the streets on day one. It’s about concentrating power and undermining limits.
Donald Trump has repeatedly framed his authority as being limited only by himself. He has publicly stated that his own morality is the only thing restraining his power. That should alarm anyone who believes in constitutional government. He has openly attacked the legitimacy of oversight, courts, and Congress, particularly when they attempt to check his authority.
The Supreme Court’s 2024 ruling granting broad immunity for “official acts” dramatically expanded presidential protections. That ruling doesn’t create fascism, but it removes a guardrail, and authoritarian movements thrive when guardrails disappear.
When leaders argue that laws restricting their power are illegitimate or unconstitutional simply because they constrain them, that is authoritarian reasoning.
Militarism is not just about war. It is about relying on force rather than democratic process. Calls to dramatically expand military spending, threats against sovereign nations and allies, and casual rhetoric about invasion or annexation are not normal democratic behavior, even when framed as negotiation tactics. History shows that fascist movements normalize aggression first in language, then in policy. At home, the use of federal agents operating without visible identification has raised serious concerns among civil-rights organizations. Regardless of intent, lack of transparency and accountability in law enforcement is a hallmark warning sign, because fascist systems depend on fear and ambiguity.
When citizens are told not to trust what they see, or that accountability must take a back seat to “order,” the groundwork is being laid.
Fascism rejects democracy not all at once, but by questioning its legitimacy. Statements suggesting that elections are unnecessary, inconvenient, or dangerous, even rhetorically, are profoundly destabilizing. When a leader implies that elections should be suspended or avoided because they threaten their hold on power, history gives us a very clear pattern of where that leads.
Every major fascist regime in history justified dismantling democracy by claiming it was flawed, corrupt, or too slow to act. That argument is not new. And it is never benign.
One of the most dangerous features of fascism is personal loyalty replacing institutional loyalty. When supporters openly state they would continue backing a leader regardless of criminal behavior, when lawbreaking is reframed as persecution, the rule of law becomes optional.
Fascist movements survive not because leaders are powerful, but because supporters excuse anything in the name of victory.
People ask, “How did Germans allow Hitler to rise?” The answer is uncomfortable: They didn’t think it would go that far. They trusted institutions would hold. They excused early abuses as necessary or exaggerated. By the time it was undeniable, it was irreversible.
I am not saying this as an outsider. I am a white, straight, Christian man. I’ve voted Republican most of my life, including for Donald Trump. I once dismissed warnings like this as hysterical or partisan.
I don’t speak out because I want a different party in power. I speak out because this is wrong. And deep down, many people know it’s wrong, even if admitting it feels like betraying their tribe.
The Declaration of Independence states that governments derive their power from the consent of the governed, and that when a government becomes destructive to liberty, the people have the right to change it.
The Bill of Rights exists not to protect a leader, but to protect the people from leaders. There is no red life or blue life. No “ours” that matters more than “yours.” All are equal under the law, or none are.
This is not about panic. It is about vigilance. Fascism doesn’t announce itself. It asks you to ignore your eyes. It asks you to excuse what you’d never accept from the other side. And it asks you to trade liberty for loyalty. Now is not the time for silence or denial. Now is the time to stand together, not as Republicans or Democrats, but as Americans. Because once democratic norms are gone, voting will not bring them back. Thank you.
Thanks for the definitions. Now where were we…?
Now do Marxism. I see you left that out.
I’ll do it when we have a president promoting a worker’s revolution so that the state can own all the means of production.
We are nowhere near that. But maybe you don’t even know what Marxism is?
You don’t want to do it because it undermines your definitions. Yes, I know Marxism very well and not in the abstract like you.
We are a lot closer that you might have the capability to imagine.
As I have posted time and again, within the next 20 years or so, an AI will be in charge of the world, all governments will have been removed, robots will do all the world and everything humans need will be provided for free by the AI/robots.
The dream of real socialism, no one owning anything and equality for all will finally become realized.
now do a crumbling empire of debt………
gonna block ya dougie. i have and you keep popping up. you are too stupid and nasty. good luck old sport.
Mutuel blocks? It’s a deal.
So look it up. What’s wrong with you?
Cut the crap. Trump is NOT America first. Trump is Israel first.
trump is trump first.
86/47 the time to dump this insane old man is way overdue. trump has got to go or the America that was founded in 1776 is gone. triump must go by whatever (legal) means necessary.
America Mark 1776 is gone FOREVER. They did it to Russia. Now they’re doing it to the US of A and Europe. Look up what Barbara Lerner Spectre said.
Trump is Trump first.
that nails it. saw trump summer of 2015 at rally in vegas freedom fest. i commented right afterwards, i feel like i just saw mussolini and hitler in their early days on path to power. i cannot believe how right i was. no surprise. since i was a child i told my old man, a ww2 vet, that fascism was gonna work in usa in my lifetime.
Shocking. I knew Trump would try to go all autocrat and use the army and law enforcement for his own agenda when he would be re-elected. But he managed to go even lower than I feared in how the state terror is executed.
Perhaps even more shocking: all the people here defending such actions. The hypocrisy after gun rights were defended vigorously after each school shooting certainly makes it worse.
How to win friends and influence people:
People laugh but that guy is going to jail for a while. Willful amputation of an Federal officer’s body part is very much frowned upon. He will get ten to twenty years in Sing Sing and have a long time to reflect on whether his choice was worth the price.
Terrible. And you mentioned due process below about the ICE shooter. Does that apply here too? And if biting of a finger is worth 20 years, what should the ICE guy get if he did indeed commit murder?
Of course he will get a trial and the sentence length is written into the law except for attenuating circumstances which I really doubt he qualifies. That is called “due process”. Federal officers have also in the past been on trial for murder too. There will be an investigation and if merited will go to the Grand Jury and they decide. Frankly have you not had any education in how the judicial system works? These are basic concepts.
Depends on the jury, it only takes ONE patriot!
This is nothing less than an invasion by an enemy force. Ice agents should be fought like any invading force would be.
They have been beating this now completely dead horse all the long day across all the media channels. And to what avail?
Trump will not allow ICE to back down. If the “in your face” protests continue, more people will get hurt. The Federal government will not allow its people to be prosecuted by a state, no matter what you armchair lawyers think.
MN, CA, NY, IL, etc., should work with ICE get the job they are chartered to do done and move on.
Trump is President for 3 more years and there isn’t anything that you can do about it.
There is something to do let your congress member know you will vote against him if trump isn’t impeached and removed before the midterm in Nov. Be a one issue voter this time.
Given the current COngress there are exactly two chances of what you write happening – ZERO & NONE.
You must be French! Whine, whine, whine, then wave the white flag. What an utterly pathetic response.
He’s 37, not 51 Mish!
He probably should not have been shot.
But you bring a gun with 2 spare loaded magazines out on the street to a protest, you SEEM like you are potentially looking for trouble, regardless of whether or not it is your legal right to carry a weapon.
In the heat of the moment, knowing he had a gun, perhaps the ICE agent that shot him was thinking:
“…well maybe he had two guns? Maybe that item I can’t see well in his hand because of all the people mixing up in front of us is that 2nd gun? Best to shoot him and ask questions later.”
Whatever, he is dead now. His parents lost a son, I don’t know if he had a family.
=I don’t know if he had a family.
did he look at him? he looks like a yeti!
You really are disgusting
Well maybe he has several guns maybe he had a bazooka, could ice even see his gun before he was shot, you asshole.
It would be interesting to compare the current reactions to Alex Pretti’s death with those of the same people to Ashli Babbitt’s death just five years earlier. Was the police force under the control of a fascist regime, and was Nazism on the rise?
because Ashley Babbitt was taken into custody and disarmed already? Please, of course it is different. She was part of a mob storming the building and harming security. Should she have been shot? I don’t know tbh. But it is far from the same.
=harming security
lie!!!! not a single was harmed.
actually video showed- security went around w/ protesters.
wow!!
how many posts Mish did about Americans died from illegal criminals?
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or about fact immigration service FOUND 300,000 lost children during Biden administration, who were obv brought into country for sex exploitation.
Why would you include a source indeed, for such a ridiculous claim?
Hmmm wonder did trump avail himself of any of those children, of course not he only wants white children.
Lead DHS Attorney From First Trump Administration—Repeat, *Trump Administration*—Confirms That What America Is Now Experiencing Is Lawless, Premeditatedly Cruel Fascism
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don’t remember so much hissy fits WHEN ILLEGAL CRIMINAL KILLED / RAPED YOUNG AMERICAN WOMEN in day light.
and it happened many many times
jesus!!
alx
Yes, because making an unfounded claim without source about rape certainly makes it OK for the state to start murdering disarmed people. A case for which the evidence is provided in abundance. How does disapproving of murder make someone a supporter of rape to you? What crooked logic could possibly get you there? Why is it so hard to admit murder is wrong, whatever else may be going on?
Rachel Morin, a mom of 5, was brutally murdered by an illegal immigrant
(2023–2025)
Jocelyn Nungaray (Texas, 2024)
Laken Riley (Georgia, 2024)
DaCara Thompson (Maryland, 2025 )
etc etc etc
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are you an idi1ot ???
what country do you live , mor11on?
=emotions, emotions…
why would doctor/male nurse carry gun in broad daylight?
=1 was he afraid for his life and always carried gun?
=2 was he going to confront protesters?
=3 was he going to confront ICE?
either he was stupid and deliberately brought gun into center of confrontation
or it was way worse, and he planned using against ICE (=fed authority) someway !!! that is obv. illegal.
alx
I don’t know. Why do people all over America carry guns everywhere? Why do the proud boys demonstrate with them? Are you saying it is now a crime all of the sudden to carry a gun you have a license for?
btw – he was shot after they took the gun. You know this perfectly fine, so why are you trying to defend murder?
did you read my post idi11ot?
With Trump and Putin it s not Freedom restriction but freedom for my friends and not for tee.
The only thing missing is a Sulla s style proscription list.🤪 Or rather Octavius (the 1 than cleaned up high ranking pro libertas proponent after caesar assassination)
=With Trump and Putin it s not Freedom restriction
why trump or Putin ?
are you some kind of humanoid version of golden fish that knows nothing about world or local history and what happened 10 20 100 years ago?
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Obama bombed 8 countries, after receiving Nobel prize
bush jr fuck11ed up afganistan /iraq, spent 10 trln over there!
Roosevelt bombed Japan, using nuclear, killed what 100 or 300,000
of civil population!
USA as country pretty much wiped population of Indians here (=natives). millions of people!
Slave triangle was reason that about 50 mil of blacks died for last 200*250 years!
why Trump, why Putin?
alx
My favorite Sulla quote:
Sulla responded to Athenian envoys during the siege of Athens (87–86 BC) when they were telling him of their ancient glories and heroic deeds:
“I was not sent to Athens to take lessons in ancient history, but to reduce rebels to obedience.”
wow! average joe knows about Sulla!!
Sulla was my favorite Roman. he was Caesar before Caesar!
he was not murdered. and died happy being dictator and most fearsome man in Rome!
I am an above-average Joe. Roman history should be required reading. Our Republic is modeled after theirs.*
Oh, he’s making a list and checking it twice
He’s gonna find out who’s naughty or nice
Sulla is coming to town
This is starting to make sense, you are obviously a born slave who loves to worship and admire dictators. Hurry, another boot needs polishing, back on your knees.
I will wait for the full investigation before making a judgment. We have videos from several angles plus lots of witnesses so we will find out what happened and who is at fault. That is how the system is set up so let’s let it work.
Fishing for knee-jerk reactions doesn’t get anyone anywhere.
This is a proven lie
https://x.com/MattVerderame/status/2015199266872996013?s=20
Promoting anything else shows how stupid you are.
You don’t believe in due process? I do. The first takes are almost always wrong no matter what the source. Of course righteous rage gets the juices going at our advanced ages better than careful analysis Mish. I feel it too sometimes. Nevertheless I am not going to be pulled left, right, up and down by someone on X who wasn’t there but somehow knows exactly what happened.
I do believe in due process. So I hope they will not keep the local authorities of the case again, so the FBI can cover things up.
I think the most important thing isn’t what we see from the outside, what the videos show, but what the shooter saw at the moment he fired. That’s what determined his actions. Of course, if he clearly saw that the victim had been disarmed, his actions are inexcusable. But otherwise?
There are lots of people who would love make a mob and to string up and hang the ICE. There are lots of people who would love to do the same to the protestors but we should not give into mob rule which is what some people here would want to have because they feel it would further their side’s goals. They wrap themselves in whatever flag they are flying and give into the delicious addictive rapture belonging. Thorough investigations and due process are boring so you don’t get the same hit but you do have a much better chance at finding the truth. Has anybody here done jury duty?
How stupid do you have to be to trust an investigation by this govt?
i have not believed anything from a gov investigation since i was 18, and an eye witness to 2 very dirty cops shaking down drug dealers. the experience in court as an innocent witness was enlightening. 1978. to believe anything from local to feds in 2026 is downright retarded. dumb fucking nazis bootlicking in a crumbling evil empire.
How stupid do you have to be to believe in Harris and Tim Walz?
A perfect example of badly trained individuals being put on the street with firearms. Another extrajudicial execution of someone exercising their right of peaceful protest. This is by far the most egregious use of force yet by ICE. Well trained law enforcement a)would not have assaulted protesters heckling them, b) would not have assaulted an individual helping a woman up, c) would have shouted I have his gun, instead an unarmed man was executed by ICE for the crime of helping a woman up that had been pushed over by an ICE officer. These ICE officers have no business being in law enforcement. Any deranged individuals that think this is ok need to vacate themselves to N. Korea or Israel where this type of behavior is routine.
The chain of management that approved putting these guys out there this badly trained need to be fired all the way up to and including the POTUS.
You don’t give a shit that we kill human beings by the millions around the globe for fun and for oil; yet you’re pissed that illegal invaders who rape our women and kill our children are being arrested and deported?
Are you AMERICANS or are you jews and muslims who HATE America?
Trump concludes with a clear message:
“LET OUR ICE PATRIOTS DO THEIR JOB! 12,000 Illegal Alien Criminals, many of them violent, have been arrested and taken out of Minnesota. If they were still there, you would see something far worse than you are witnessing today!”
This is the only thing I agree on with Trump.
And the abomination of the LGBTQ being forced down our throats as if it ought to be the norm instead of normal people.
So forcefully promoting an ideological agenda now warrants murder?
Putting words (I did not utter) in my mouth warrants calling you what you are, that is, a liar.
You are on very thin ice with that comment about Jews.
One more time will be your last.
I ought to ban you now.
AI-generated answer (muslims are fair game I suppose?):
Survivors of the USS Liberty and several U.S. officials have refuted the official explanation that Israel’s attack on June 8, 1967, was a mistake. Many survivors assert the attack was deliberate, citing the prolonged and coordinated assault by Israeli aircraft and torpedo boats, during which the ship was clearly marked with its name, hull number, and flying the U.S. flag in international waters.
President Lyndon B. Johnson’s role is heavily disputed. Survivors and declassified accounts claim Johnson ordered a cover-up to protect U.S.-Israel relations during the Six-Day War. Admiral Thomas Brooks, former Director of Naval Intelligence, stated the Navy was told to “hush this up,” while survivors were allegedly threatened with imprisonment if they spoke out. Captain Ward Boston, who led the U.S. Naval Court of Inquiry, later signed an affidavit claiming the investigation was falsified on orders from Johnson and Defense Secretary Robert McNamara.
Contradictory government responses further fuel skepticism. While public statements accepted Israel’s apology, internal reactions were harsh: Secretary of State Dean Rusk called the attack “incomprehensible,” and NSA Director Marshall Carter believed it was deliberate. Captain William McGonagle, the Liberty’s commander, initially accepted the accident narrative but later rejected it, joining survivors in calling for a full investigation.
Despite these efforts, no congressional investigation has ever been conducted. The USS Liberty remains the most decorated U.S. Navy vessel for a single action since WWII, yet its crew received delayed and downplayed recognition—symbolizing what many see as a suppressed chapter in American history.
thems the breaks for floating around armed to the teeth. sometimes friendlies or your own government kills you off as bait. sometimes enemies kill you.
Remember Rachel Corrie?
Rachel Corrie, a 23-year-old American peace activist, was killed by an Israeli military bulldozer on March 16, 2003, in Rafah, Gaza Strip, while attempting to prevent the demolition of a Palestinian home. She was a volunteer with the International Solidarity Movement (ISM) and was wearing a bright fluorescent jacket when she confronted the bulldozer.
Eyewitness accounts state that the driver saw her, yet continued advancing, pushing her under the blade and then driving over her. Some reports indicate the bulldozer reversed and ran over her a second time. Medical reports confirm she died from skull and chest fractures.
The Israeli military described the incident as a “regrettable accident”, citing limited visibility, and cleared the driver of wrongdoing. An internal investigation concluded the operation was part of a combat zone activity, and a 2012 Israeli court rejected a civil lawsuit filed by Corrie’s parents, citing lack of liability.
Corrie’s parents and human rights groups have long disputed the official explanation, alleging criminal negligence or intentional killing, and have called for accountability. The case remains a focal point in discussions about civilian safety, military conduct, and U.S. foreign policy in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
AI-generated answer. Please verify critical facts.
Art Last’s statement is even wrong from the conspiracy point of view.
Shepherds do not hate their sheep.
They eat them, right?
they shear them each year and then eat them. i do love lamb chops when they are young. though the old ones in a stew is tolerable, too. NZ is the most gorgeous place in the world.
what about the muslims ? i feel much worse for the zionists. they are the bitch colony being abused by our empire. just like they were under UK and ottomans and romans. i keep telling my jew pals in brooklyn and miami to tell their dopey family to come to safety. for now. i have lived in muslim hood and jewish hood. both nice humans to interact with. but the tribal bs is just really stupid, imho. same goes for christians. of course.
Any religion is just really stupid imho. That magic man in the sky is not going to help you or anyone else no matter what symbols or words you use because he or it isn’t there, grow up.
I feel no compassion for zionists. None at all. Before Oct 7, I paid it no attention, and confused zionism for Judaism. Since then, boy I’ve learned there’s a difference. I understand there are many within the faith that are appalled at what has happened. One could argue that Israel has been our proxy, yet at the same time money is funneled into our politics to further corrupt and control our politicians. Irregardless, there’s no defense for collective punishment, starving a people, destroying hospitals and other vital infrastructure, and burying tens of thousands of civilians under rubble. Without zionism, it’s a lot harder for me to believe that would have happened.
pretty much my thoughts!.
except of course j11ew thing.
Of course. You might get banned or even lose your job. There’s that bulldozer thing too. Remember Rachel Corrie or USS Liberty? Or the dancing (censored)?
Guys! What’s with all the shooting? And why wade into Minneapolis during winter when there are far more easily apprehendable illegal aliens in Red states?
If this were only about illegals, you’d strictly enforce detainer laws (charging state officials if they are not obeyed), then do computer comparisons of SI numbers, bank account, state IDs, police encounter records, and quietly capture people for deportation.
Masked ISIS cosplay theatre must have ulterior motives.
Detainers are a request, not a command.
There are 2 reasons they’re not doing this in red states, one good, one bad.
Good: blue states won’t comply with detainers or allow 287g arrests, meaning the only way Feds can target aliens there is via fugitive operations (what you’re seeing in the news).
Bad: aliens are counted in the census and used to apportion US House seats and electoral votes. If they target the blue areas on the “rounding margins” from the last Census, they can swing a few seats and EC votes from blue to red.
Only CA has more illegal aliens than Texas and Florida yet we see little or no so called “enforcement action” in those two states, hmmm wonder why?
Don’t be stupid this has almost nothing to do with illegal aliens but has everything to do with punishing states that did not vote for trump. trump has got to be eliminated, removed from office before he destroys America.
There are 10X as many ICE arrests of aliens in TX than in MN. *More* enforcement action, with nobody getting shot on the street… why do you think that is?
rubbish. do you have any common sense or eyes
Schrödinger’s Second Amendment:
– Having guns is essential for the government to respect your rights.
– Having a gun immediately invalidate your rights and the government can execute you on the spot if you are carrying one.
You forgot the third term
Unless you re against the government national s agenda
trump ain’t leaving. no how no way. CA and OR and WA will secede by jan 20, 2029
trump will leave, hopefully this afternoon, feet first.
Fascist. Lawless. At least Goebbels didn’t have to deal with the in-your-face video evidence and the instantaneous internet. He could propagandize his consistent lies without immediate cognitive dissonance.Trump walked back his statements about the noncontributing Brits manning secondary positions in Iraq and Afghanistan … I guess he’s less afraid of American voters than our former allies. Steve Miller’s ‘good kill’ videos should played on Time Square every day now and thru the midterms.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Up to each individual to be responsible and not interfere with police or ICE operations
“Please tread on me, sir, I will comply!”
Please vacate yourself to Israel or N. Korea where this type of behavior is routine. You’ll fit in well. Last I checked peaceful protest was protected by our constitution and bill of rights. Being executed for trying to help a woman up that had been pushed over by a pu$$y of an ICE officer is absolutely intolerable. You are a really big man!
Definitely do not ever protest against the government. Unless you’re storming Congress, then of course you should be able to do as you like.
A total embarrassment of the American ethos.
What American ethos???
Killing innocents is the American ethos
The destruction of the authority and credibility of all levels of law enforcement is the result of this. The Feds who act so unconstitutionally and lie such blatant and obvious lies. The State and local police with little authority that must act to try to process a disassembled crime scene and end up having to be the last authorities on the scene who must arrange for the extraction of the Feds via riot lines, armored cars, tear gas and flash-bangs, and then bust out a lot of gas and violence once more for the local cops when they want to to leave the scene.
The Feds say they want more cooperation with the local cops. Well, I see groups of ICE cars floating all around the city–there is never a local cop with them, there is never a local cop at arrest sites-so which party is not telling the other party of their plans or cooperating? They don’t want witnesses–they hate the videos, why would they want local police as witnesses? So their call for cooperation is purely bullshit. The only thing they want is the local cops to do is protect their asses when they are trying to leave.
I guarantee you that this will become more dangerous. Another shooting will break the non-violence. People are pissed.
Minnesota has about 130,000 people who are here illegally. Texas has about 15 times as many, Florida has about 10 times as many. This is about trying to get blood out of a turnip, provoking reaction and political retribution.
It is 100% political retribution. trump and his sycophants are bigoted against anyone not like them. They hate others as they must hate themselves.
100%