Michael Moore Flashback: In Praise of Venezuela

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Michael Moore, please check this out.

Oil for the People Question

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gliderdude
gliderdude
5 years ago

How do those spouting superiority here know whether Venezuela failed due to a poor system, rather than being another victim of American regime change policy? If their bend toward socialism is weaker, why is it necessary to sanction, blockade, and deny them access to financial markets to prove it? Why not let the experiment carry out on its own?

Cecil1
Cecil1
5 years ago

Lberals are never held to account for the damage their socialism creates. Its all water under the bridge and then lets try it again

2banana
2banana
5 years ago

Moore, like all the socialist elites, expects to be in charge when the socialists take over.

He is not going to wait 6 weeks to see a doctor, wait 6 hours to buy some milk or give up his mansions.

That is for the little people and for their own good.

Kinda like how democrat politicians who passed obamacare specifically exempted themselves from obamacare…

MntGoat
MntGoat
5 years ago

Moore is a documentary film maker as we all know. I lost a lot of faith in documentary’s over the years as I came to realize they are mostly all one sided politically biased agenda hit jobs. I somehow got myself to watch his documentary in 2015 “where to invade next”. What a bunch of completely phony garbage portraying European countries as these perfect Utopias. And totally 100% ignoring all the financial, economic, and immigration problems that plague the EU.

Aaaal
Aaaal
5 years ago

How did Gaddafi achieve it for his people/country elevating Libya to the highest standard of living, education levels, housing rate in Africa prior to the US gov’t murdering him and destroying their economy? Or was that a completely different thing?

Stuki
Stuki
5 years ago
Reply to  Aaaal

He did it the way all governments did and do: By smoke, mirrors, lies damned lies and statistics, acting charming and charismatic in front of women of both sexes at the UN and other organizations of similar ilk, and by simple decree.

No different than how the Soviets had no unemployment, Cuba had the bestest health care system, New York is a “net contributor” to anything at all, and some frozen Scandinavian backwater is the greatest place on earth to live.

wootendw
wootendw
5 years ago
Reply to  Aaaal

Just because a country’s leader claims to be a socialist (or anything else), doesn’t mean he is and, even if he is, he doesn’t always get his way with the rest of his government.

Elements of free market capitalism and socialism exist in every country. China still claims to be communist.

I will say that Qaddafi lived more like a true socialist than most socialists do. Many of them have Rolex watches and ride in chauffeur-driven limousines.

SMF
SMF
5 years ago

I have plenty of relatives in South America who decry socialism now thanks to Chavez. May their numbers grow.

Stuki
Stuki
5 years ago

Belief in “government” as some sort of useful entity, never amounts to more than childish belief in simpleton caudillos presented by ceffectivelybaptive media as “heroes.” It’s the domain of the doomed-to-be-forever dumb.

The only thing that ever changes, is that the excuses used to justify one caudillo over another, may change a bit, depending on time and geography. But it always boils down to some idiot some Man on TV claims will “save” all “his” “people.” It’s so stupid you’d think a three year old would see through it by now, but perhaps it’s not only Americans’ intelligence you can’t go broke underestimating.

ReadyKilowatt
ReadyKilowatt
5 years ago

Map of oil and gas drilling on US public land:

jlsv
jlsv
5 years ago
Reply to  ReadyKilowatt

how much revenue does drilling on public land generate for the federal and/or state governments?

shamrock
shamrock
5 years ago
Reply to  ReadyKilowatt

Yes, I think 20% of the U.S. oil and gas production comes from federally owned lands and offshore drilling. The royalty rate ranges between 12.5%-18.5%. All told federal revenue for oil and gas is less than $15B.

shamrock
shamrock
5 years ago

That the oil belongs to the people is not necessarily a problem, over 70% of the world’s oil production comes from countries where that is true. I don’t think that is the source of Venezuela’s problems.

Stuki
Stuki
5 years ago
Reply to  shamrock

Go to one of the countries you mention, pick a random representative of the people in some slum, and see how much of “the oil” belongs to him. Rather than some scumbag claiming to “represent” him…. You may find it instructive.

Oil “belonging to the people,” is just another Newspeakian term. Like “The People’s Republic.”

In practice, I’d be surprised if actual “people” (as in regular people) in any country, aside from perhaps Somalia and some such, have as much direct, meaningful, control of oil as they do in the US. Which is why the US is where virtually all new recovery technology originates. Here, if some member of “the people” can find a way to produce at lower cost than the state monopoly or oil major, he has at least some shot at getting to keep the proceeds of his work. While pretty much everywhere else, the work won’t get done, the oil will be left in the ground and prices will remain artificially elevated. All to protect unearned privilege of well connected has-beens.

shamrock
shamrock
5 years ago
Reply to  Stuki

Yes, “to the people” is the term Michael Moore used. “to the government” is what it actually means and very little of the wealth ever trickles down. However, Venezuela is the only one of these states that has completely collapsed, the others seem to muddle along at the minimum. Therefore I don’t think Venezuala’s main problem is the nationalization of the oil industry.

WildBull
WildBull
5 years ago

Moore is stupid like a fox as he enjoys life at his Manhattan luxury condo

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