“We are going to unleash American drone dominance,” said Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy. 
New Drone Rules
Reuters reports US Proposes New Drone Rules May Lead to Starbucks, Amazon Deliveries.
The U.S. Transportation Department is proposing new rules to speed deployment of drones beyond the visual line of sight of operators, a key change needed to advance commercial uses like package deliveries.
Under current rules, operators need to get individual waivers or exemptions to use drones without visual line of sight. The department said eliminating those requirements “will significantly expand the use-case for drone technologies in areas like: manufacturing, farming, energy production, filmmaking, and the movement of products including lifesaving medications.”
The proposal includes new requirements for manufacturers, operators, and drone traffic-management services to keep drones safely separated from other drones and airplanes.
“It’s going to change the way that people and products move throughout our airspace… so you may change the way you get your Amazon package, you may get a Starbucks cup of coffee from a drone,” Duffy said.
“Industry needs this rule to make sure they can use this technology that’s going to allow them to do business more efficiently and effectively.”
Amazon esumed testing drone deliveries earlier this year at two locations in Texas and Arizona. Amazon has a goal of delivering 500 million packages annually by drone by the end of 2030.
Under the proposal, operations would occur at or below 400 feet above ground from pre-designated locations approved by the Federal Aviation Administration.
Operators would identify boundaries and approximate daily flights and takeoff, landing and loading areas and ensure procedures if communications with drones are lost.
Drones would yield to all manned aircraft broadcasting their position and not interfere with operations at airports.
The Transportation Security Administration would require flight coordinators and others to obtain security threat assessments and a fingerprint-based criminal history records check.
Q: Will Amazon deliver 500 million packages annually by drone by the end of 2030?
That’s seems like one heck of a number.
In 2024, Amazon processed 6.3 billion U.S. delivery orders, equivalent to 17.2 million daily.
500 million would be about 8 percent of 2024 volume. Is that realistic? And if Amazon is doing that, so will Walmart and others.
That’s a lot less UPS and FedEx deliveries
Grok AI is skeptical
Grok Link: Technical and Operational Limits: Current costs are high—estimated at $63 per delivery in 2025 (down from $484 in 2022 but still uneconomical at scale). Drones are restricted to light packages, good weather, and short ranges (e.g., 7.5-10 miles from hubs). Scaling to millions daily would demand tens of thousands of drones, massive fleet management, and automated systems not yet fully deployed.
In summary, while Amazon’s investments and approvals show commitment, the gap between current low-volume pilots and 500 million annual deliveries is vast. Historical delays, technical constraints, and conservative market forecasts indicate the company will likely fall short, perhaps reaching tens of millions at best by 2030. If breakthroughs in autonomy, cost reduction, and regulations accelerate, the odds could improve—but as of now, trends point against it.
Expert and Industry Views: Analyses describe the 500 million target as “unattainable” amid setbacks like heat-related failures and crashes. A temporary suspension in early 2025 was called a “significant blow,” delaying momentum. While some are optimistic about FAA progress enabling integration into logistics networks, historical overpromising (e.g., delays from 2018 goals) suggests caution.
So, do you believe 500 million packages by Amazon drone by the end of 2030?
In other Amazon news, Do You Want a Random Store Clerk Picking Your Groceries for You?
My answer is no, but Amazon launches same-day grocery delivery in 1,000 cities.
Porch pirates in the cities are going to be coming up with ways to bring these down without firearms and steal the goods. Bolas, anyone?
A lot of case law out there that your ‘airspace’ above your property is not really ‘yours’ at all. So I’m not sure how much say we really get in this if the US Transportation Cabinet OKs it, except as consumers deciding whether we buy these drone services
As many others have noted: this is an obnoxious and unsafe idea. I’d like to add though, notice how everyone you ask is increasingly starting to hate tech? Even Zoomers are turning into hardened luddites thanks to losing their jobs. Makes me really curious what happens when everyone gets sick enough of all the shit they’ve been putting up with this decade.
There is certainly a slowly-growing sentiment for things to either be analog or where they are at and to not-go-further.
I think we’ll see a form of the WEF techno cities (minus the dystopia) and then the less technical places.
Mish is a retard
Alvin!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dave your chipmunk is out of control. I’m afraid you can’t record at my studio anymore.
Go play in traffic
Mish isn’t a retard. He provokes us and pits us against each other. Why: ask him.
Takeoff and landing for helicopters will likely become more perilous.
What Declining Cardboard Box Sales Tell Us About the US Economy
Cardboard Box Sales Fall in Worrying Sign for US Retail – Bloomberg (archive.ph)
that is a very leading indicator. I worked in the business and that always happened before a recession. Do you have more details? Although most of my boxes come from e-commerce…..
Copper mine drone excavators and drone hauling trucks. A copper mine use 5/6 excavators and 40/100 self driving trucks. CAT 6090FS self driving excavators can cost $5/$7 million. CAT 6060FS self driving excavators cost less. CAT 787 self driving trucks can cost: $3/$5 million. CAT 797 self driving trucks: $4/$6 million. Command and control ctr and tech hub are extra. Tires can cost $50K each. A medium size copper/gold mine using 5 self driving excavators, 50 self driving trucks, command & control ctr, tech and maintenance hub can cost about: $500 million. If copper is > $4/LB breakeven within one year on excavators and trucks. A full mine breakeven: 3/5 years. If copper drops to $2.5/LB as in 2016 ==> bad news. Today, after a decade, copper cost is X3 times higher than in 2016.
The Dow looks tired. On Dec 4 2024 the Dow reached 45,073.63. Last Fri the Dow made a new all time high, but close below 45,000. It might cont higher, or drop to the 42K/40K level, first.
It might rain today, or it might not. Weathermen are boring.
New Drone Rules Will Pave the Way for Marijuana and Fentanyl Deliveries
Reservations have the cheap tax free pot.
Fentanyl is the drug of the day, mainly to blame China for have factories which actually produce chemicals that other nations can purchase.
I would also bet that many of those same chemicals are produced in India as well.
There used to be Meth in Nasal inhalers and the Beats/Hippies learned about that.
I married into a family where the cousin was busted for making meth at his college in Buffalo. That was the late 70’s early 80’s.
Legalize all drugs and keep users in contained zones with sellers and minimal treatments.
You sign a document saying basically I like to get high or drunk and have no problem limiting my health care and choose to live in this community.
Toss in some treatment centers for those planning to get clean, and boom you renovate those small towns that suffer economically from drug and alcohol abuse.
If we cleaned up our towns, where would Trump and Epstein get their little girls? Daddy’s gotta miss a lot of soccer games for a kid to dive into turning tricks for fat guys with cankles!
“Drones would yield to all manned aircraft broadcasting their position and not interfere with operations at airports.”
So keep Tesla far, far away from the technology that will be used to achieve this goal.
“So, do you believe 500 million packages by Amazon drone by the end of 2030?”
If Elon says it, I do. This is gonna happen the day after FSD.
In all seriousness, I predict pushback from communities that don’t want to see their scenic outdoors (e.g., parks, scenic backyards) darkened/ruined by hundreds of drones flying around. Think Cape Cod & offshore windmills but all.over the country.
White folk, fake rich white folk who do not want wind farms too block their beautiful view.
George Carlin from Saving the Planet
We’re so self-important, so self-important. Everybody’s gonna save something now: “Save the trees! Save the bees! Save the whales! Save those snails!” and the greatest arrogance of all: “Save the planet!” What?! Are these fucking people kidding me?! Save the planet?! We don’t even know how to take care of ourselves yet! We haven’t learned how to care for one another and we’re gonna save the fucking planet?! I’m getting tired of that shit! I’m getting tired of that shit! I’m tired of fucking Earth Day! I’m tired of these self-righteous environmentalists; these white, bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is there aren’t enough bicycle paths! People trying to make the world safe for their Volvo’s! Besides, environmentalists don’t give a shit about the planet. They don’t care about the planet; not in the abstract they don’t. You know what they’re interested in? A clean place to live; their own habitat. They’re worried that someday in the future, they might be personally inconvenienced. Narrow, unenlightened self-interest doesn’t impress me.
Surely autonomous ground based vehicles delivering to standard receptacles on each street have to-be a better solution at scale. This leaves aerial delivery as a premium option for immediate must have deliveries. Does raise the old Ford Union rep question of who is going to be left working with enough money to buy from Amazon.
Try this, to sell investors into drone delivery drone delivery needs to be hyped.
To sell investors in AI AI needs to be hyped.
Clearly quite a large bit of both will fail withing x amount of time for various reasons.
Drones and weather, distance, theft/hacking.
Ai by freebies like Deep Seek and Qwen and self made versions running on Linux.
But by the time the failure happens the poor deluded dupes, most of the poor/middle class, investors will lose their investments
But the true issue is how invasive will they be? You can already purchase a wearable monitor that records every conversation, and every bit of background noise like OTHER conversations, for cloud storage.
META glasses do the same thing.
The people who created Pokeman Go sold off the Geo location data they gathered to a Saudi company who spun it into a drone company.
Essentially none of this is about fast and efficient delivery but data gathering and spying on the GENPOP.
Let’s test it and see if it works. I am especially interested in how they would deliver in windy, rainy and generally bad weather where delivery trucks are not much affected. I see it less useful in concentrated urban areas but is made to fit suburban and rural delivery. I am for it.
Suburban maybe, rural will require at least forty miles of range. And if you are in Hartline Washington closer to 200 miles.
Generally people who have the deep thinking of one thin dime will only care if their Pizza’s can be delivered Hot and in 5mins.
Never say never. What if you’re surrounded by hostile tribe, or your once decent urban area turns into ethnic ghetto. Typical Western problem, unlike China.
Do the American people get a vote on this, the imposition of on-the-spectrum mono-maniacal elites? If so, are the masses too lazy, convenience-enslaved, blinkered and stupid to be wise? It is the end of history and the last man: a corpulent couch potato, with his new master slipping french fries into his deadened mouth. This is the final ceding of dignity and the commons to exploitation and profit concentration, for vastly insufficient cause. This is the snuffing of whatever remained we could just enjoy, and didn’t have to pay for, and the masses will pay dearly. It is the last stage of the boiled frog. It is spiritual and soul pollution, intrusion. The final self-destructive overreach, unfortunately, of narrow-minded surveillance capitalism, is to encase everyone in a commercialized space, a casino, a video game. And it is one we do not have true agency in. It is a commercialized 1984, a reductive jolly-olly-meal menu as a substitute for liberty: life’ liberty, pursuit of happiness. It is imbalance again deployed into everyone’s lives, unasked. Thanks Steve Jobs, who came on little cat feet dressed up as a bay Area semi-hippie, a hip liberator. In the end, other forces have won, and they come as helper, but are predatory. Nothing is free. Gotta pay the price for your liberty.
Grotesque. Aesthetic and privacy abomination. Watch wildlife populations plummet, ecosystems decay. Trump grew up in a box in a prison complex called modern life. He has never experienced earth, he detests it, and his ilk are right there: blind from birth. These fools never knew or appreciated anything worthwhile in life. The end of spaciousness and solitude. Business now colonizes every inch and moment of life and awareness. No space or time is left unmolested. This is abuse dressed up as progress. I am horrified.
Pillow is bot. Two pillows are soft featherweight bots to lay your hollowed brain.
I’m sorry but all those lovely Golf mowed lawns already cause ecosystem decay.
This year I didn’t mow anything and watched the natural progression of normal grasses and an increase in pollinators.
All these wonderful wild flowers and things like Thistle bloomed and the Bees loved it.
Isn’t that why farmers allow fields to go fallow?
Mowing lawns is killing nature far more than any other man made activity.
They’re Purty tho.
Self driving trucks and golf-carty-gizmos will win over drones. No gravity tax and no weight/size limits. Deliver using known procedures.
Want cheap delivery? Pick up stuff from Amazon boxes near where you regularly go. Want fast delivery? Order stuff that’s on-the-shelf somewhere near you.
So, fast delivery? Delivery vehicles will pick stuff up from arbitrary sources.
Predictions of when a new system replaces an old system are inherently unknowable.
With two data points ($484 in 2022 and $63 in 2025) it’s hard to guess the yearly cost drop. If fixed, it’s 50% a year. And delivery is a buck and change by 2030. But that cost-drop won’t stay at 50% per year.
Zelensky and Putin know: if u lose a war u are dead. Without drones Putin is dead. Russia produces 6,000/ 8,000 Shahad 136 Iranian drones. The US cannot compete with Russia and China. We needs nano drones, suicidal drones and “scout” drones which are connected to command and control centers, like Starbucks and AMZM. If they can deliveries with drones terrorists and suboteurs can do the same.
It is relatively simple. The drone just tracks your cellphone and brings your coffee.
Imagine the window washer on his scaffold having coffee delivered to the outside of the 21st floor?
Or getting assassinated for posting things that Trump does not like?
Its a brave new world!
Yeah, because there’s nothing more a window washer needs when suspended hundreds of feet up on a scaffold than a diuretic. I’m sure they don’t plan their task to eliminate the potential they have to stop in the middle of it because nature calls. And God forbid the man goes without coffee until the task is done. That’s be hell on earth.
When nature calls at the 21st floor, you use an empty coffee cup if you’re considerate or pee over the side if not. As for #2, over the side every time and see who you can hit.
My best friend and I took an elevator up to the top Floor of an office building in 1970. We both had gotten a carton of milk. We spit Milk down on the Pedestrians going to work that day. They looked up and figured out that it was Sea Gulls. Jonathon Livingston Seagull. Full of white shit. We laughed out asses off.
We had no idea how stupid that really was. The minds of 17 year olds.
Great humor! And slip a little lasix in there for good measure? 😉
What underwear does an aerial window washer wear? Depends…
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LOL
This is inevitable, so which drone companies should we buy?
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Do a start-up IPO
Or a SPAC if you just want to fleece your investors Trump style…
Most of them aren’t public yet. But I saw a demonstration of Honeywell’s drone communications platform at a conference in 2023, it was pretty much in place and ready to go. Zipline is about the furthest along in delivery having been in Rwanda and Ghana for almost a decade delivering medicine and lab samples to rural areas without good road infrastructure. Skydio has an edge on remotely operated small UAS systems in the US for now, but aren’t doing anything in delivery/cargo. They’re mostly in the first responder market, setting up drones in high crime areas that can put eyes on a 911 call while the black and whites are in route.
What news! We need a new game of Amazon trap-and-skeet to idle away the jobless days ahead.
PULL! What a blast.
Drones are the new ambulances for lawyers to chase.
Why not just use carrier pigeons?
Well, they do shit all over everything, so I would want to make sure that the creamer in my coffee came from Cows. Just sayin’.
Maybe future homes need to be built with delivery landing pads on the roof. Work will need to be done for noise management but that is possible. Delivery air traffic will likely be limited to predefined routes to avoid a free-for-all. And semiautonomous drone piloting sounds like a better job than delivery truck driver, at least to me.
Drone delivery. AI factory automation. AI coding.
Tariffs — taxes on your spending — will not bring jobs back in this era. Our oligarchs — the ones who shipped USA jobs and IP offshore in the first place and now cry crocodile tears about IP theft to incite us to hate China — just want to reduce the flow of dollars to foreigners and redirect them back to their own pockets, again. Cuz they need new war toys and yachts.
Not 10 minutes ago I watched a video of an Israeli surveillance drone that crashed in Gaza due to technical issues. What happens when there are a few million drone flights everyday and drones crash? Who pays for injuries or property damage? What happens when a drone operator wants to retrieve a crashed drone from your property? Can you refuse entry?
And I’ve had wrongly delivered packages left on my porch, what happens if a drone drops a wrong package in our back yard where we have pets (once had a ubereats driver wrongly open our side gate with a delivery and was attacked by my sons German Shepard, my son works security and that dog was a $20,000 trained attack dog, had he been a drone instead of an Indian the dog would have gone nuts like he would for fireworks and either destroyed the drone or been injured by it).
And Starbucks? I hate that woke company. Last thing I would want is a few hundred flights flying over my home from the time they open till closing time just so hipsters can drink pisswater coffee that they are too lazy to pick up themselves.
Also during the lockdown in 2020 where I was staying had a craze for kites to kill the boredom. Frequently counted 10 to 20 kites flying at once. Wonder how will drones do with kites and their strings doing loops and whatnot
Their drone will be purple with a nose ring and ear gauge.
How much noise will all of these drones flying around create?
They do make noise, particularly if there are a lot of them. Perhaps this will offset some of the noise declines occurring in Chinese cities from EVs replacing ICE vehicles.
A delivery drone generates 47 to 61 dB. That’s pretty close to most electric vehicles. A comparable ICE vehicle is louder by 4-5 dB at low speeds, but that advantage is eliminated at higher speeds 20+ MPH (tire friction and wind resistance are the primary noise makers at higher speeds). Factor in that there will likely be thousands of these things flying around, I highly doubt the noise will decrease on a net basis. I suspect it will increase. The article below, from a year ago, details what folks in a test region thought (they didn’t care for the extra noise).
https://fortune.com/2024/08/19/amazons-delivery-drones-are-too-loud-for-the-residents-where-its-testing-the-program/I
Nobody wants the constant drone of drones in their quiet neighborhoods. I will lobby for a noise ordinance in my town. Ever since the first mention of this idea I hated it. Also, if there is any damage done to property, I hope the insurance industry goes after the deep pockets of amazon. The little delivery robots don’t make as much noise but they are a traffic nuisance.
People said the same thing about cars replacing horses. Nobody wants them. They are noisy and a nuisance.
Good luck with your lobbying.
Commercial drone pilot here. What could go wrong with air travel safety with untrained pilots and autonomous flights?
Part of the deal is for major corps to get license exemptions.
Line of sight with sophisticated controllers. Maybe. Inferior controllers. Duck!
How China is doing it:
🚁 How Urban Drone Delivery Operates in China
• Automated Flight Paths: Companies like Meituan use drones that fly along predetermined routes between launchpads and pickup kiosks. These routes are optimized using central algorithms that control drone movements with high precision.
• Centralized Monitoring: While the drones fly autonomously, operators in control rooms monitor multiple drones simultaneously. One operator typically oversees about 10 drones, ready to intervene in emergencies.
• Pickup Kiosks Instead of Doorstep Delivery: Due to the complexity of navigating dense urban environments, drones don’t deliver directly to homes. Instead, they drop packages at smart kiosks near residential or office buildings. Customers retrieve their items from these lockers.
• Human Support Roles: The process includes human runners who collect orders from restaurants and bring them to drone launchpads. Workers then load the drones with standardized packages.
🧠 Tech Behind the Automation
• AI-Powered Navigation: Drones are equipped with GPS, GIS, and AI-based route optimization systems. These allow them to avoid obstacles, adapt to weather changes, and maintain safe flight paths.
• Precision Timing: Thanks to algorithmic control, delivery times are highly accurate—often within a two-second deviation from the estimated time.
📦 Scale and Adoption
• Meituan made over 100,000 drone deliveries in Shenzhen in 2022 alone, and the service is becoming a routine part of life for many residents.
I fly manually and with a predetermined flight path. Things can and do go wrong. In. Illinois crop dusters are a pain.
I hate geofencing but they are going to be needed more.
My Mavic 3m is more sophisticated that the 747s were originally
If I collided with a passenger jet likely no big deal unless sucked into the engine. A delivery drone is another story.
To get Part 107 the test is about 80 percent of a single engine small plane for rules and basics on the written portion. Sounds like that is being eliminated.
So many have no idea about air space safety regs
One interesting thing about the FAA’s proposal is that there’s a requirement for the “operator” (don’t call them pilots or they’ll be put on the same job description as the corporate jet guys) to be located in the US. I imagine the first thing to happen when the tech gets stable enough to be integrated into normal company workflows is to get waivers to locate the “operator” overseas.
Part 108 implies all flights will be automated and stuck to well defined and charted flight paths like power lines, or far from airports and people, such as on farms. Anything flying over the suburbs is going to require some foggy “certification” from manufacturers somehow coming up with generally accepted as safe hardware for flying over populated areas, and even then there’s a step-up effect depending on population density (undefined of course).
The whole document seems to have been written by the legal departments of the defense contractors who’ve been chomping at the bit to sell their overpriced aircraft to the civilians -but only the Fortune 500, not a mom and pop startup.
As long as drones are a dollar cheaper than sending it out via the post office it’s a win, right?
It’s only a short hop, skip & a jump until the government mounts cameras on drones to more easily monitor people movement to then adding guns on small drones for really precise assassinations.
Ever hear of Gaza?
Sure, it’s a war zone. But how about in YOUR town/city?
The public don’t get to decide what’s a war zone; governments do.
… and their organized crime syndicates + deep state cells.
Palantir + spycopters = police state the world never knew.
Fortunately, there’s trap-and-skeet opportunities for the masses.
Local ordinances may be able to keep some of these noisy buggers out a while. “Airborn losses” can take care of the rest.
Track your cell phone and “poof” you are eliminated.
How do you think they targeted the Iranians? No feet on the ground did that, it was algorithms tracking the voiceprints of the targeted through their cellphones.
What could kill this drone scenario – as well as Uber’s goals for driver-less cars – could be an effective messaging campaign by drivers (Uber and otherwise) that they are losing their job because of these efforts and that the money that used to go to workers is now going to increase the wealth of the billionaires who own these companies (and the drones). This is a battle that labor will win against capital – especially if there is not major savings for consumers from eliminating the drivers (which there may not be).
Also, the drones may decrease the delivery times – but is this really a problem in today’s economy ? (Gee, a drone could deliver my plastic trash or overcooked food faster). Let’s fire all of the drivers to achieve this…)
You had me at “Starbucks”. Sheesh!
USPS serves AMZN last mile deliveries. On Sun an empty USPS truck dump a few AMZN Prime packages paying 50% overtime. FedEx serves AMZN in large urban areas and in rural areas. AMZN is scaling down. UPS is scaling down AMZN deliveries shedding 20K workers. After frontrunning tariffs, deliveries are down. Walmart, AMZN, FedEx, USPS and UPS cannibalized each others. The econ is slowing down. After the success of the drones campaigns in Ukraine and against Iran the US gov wants a prompt increase of small drones productions, financed by the private sector. TACO might prohibit USPS slaves from delivering AMZN prime on Sat, Sun, Mon, Tue…Fri since 2013 (Obama). AMZN is 8% of USPS revenue.
Say goodbye to peace and quiet
“We are going to unleash American drone dominance,” said Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy.”
Why does every political statement starts with some idiotic claim as if everything was war or attack?
Start by building the manufacturing base.
> “ starts with some idiotic claim as if everything was war or attack?”
THIS. So much chest-thumping.
Similarly, have you noticed how frequently YT advertisements mention “used by the special forces” and “military-grade”? During meals, my wife and I randomly hold up items at the table and try to craft equally hyperbolic marketing crap. E.g., “This military-grade coaster was used by the special forces on meal breaks during their daring 2001 horseback ride through the Afghan northern territories. It can be used to strike a sentry just as easily as protect your marble countertop”.
Worse and less useful as laughing stock, as you browse Wikipedia pay attention to how often pages prominently and gratuitously feature military personnel. Like the page on “vaccines. Or the page for “swimming”.
It’s as though some central propaganda outfit wants to insert the language and symbols of war everywhere.
Hard to imagine 500 million drone deliveries in the US by 2030. Keeta Drone, one of the largest in China did 400,000 drone deliveries in 2024 in major cities.
China’s low-altitude drone economy is projected to grow 4x from 2023 to 2030 ($70 b US to $280 b US). So maybe 5 or 10 million deliveries by all Chinese drone companies in 2030.
The US needs to speed up regulatory restrictions and design a complete low altitude drone delivery system first. Perhaps the Trump administration will make this a priority.
We also need to eliminate tariffs on drone tech imports (mostly from China, which is leading in this area).
States, counties and cities are not going to kowtow to Federal rules and regs. They want to make their own. That is what they exist for.
My CA county tried to impose their own regs on autonomous cars but in this case, got slapped down by the state.
Yep. Our levels of government are often at odds with each other. That happens far less in China, which is why many industries (like drone deliveries) are growing faster than they are here.
The rule of common good being good for the individual worked out quite well in China. Considering population size and mega-cities, it can hardly be otherwise.
I actually own a drone, one of the earlier models from a few years back. It uses lithium ion batteries and has rare earth components including magnets in them. I frequently have to replace stuff like blades in them, even the carbon fiber ones.
It’s possible but only if the supply chain for building those drones doesn’t break down and with this administration having tariff tantrums and TACO’ing it’ll be hard to keep them going in any stable predictable manner.
But a broader problem may be weather, read some report somewhere about pacific cooling making the west coast mostly desert, the midwest more windy and tornado-ish and more turbulence on the east coast.
Sadly, it won’t matter to me as I’ll be living elsewhere but would be neat to have drones drop off stuff. Then again, I don’t buy much stuff anymore since I’m moving and prefer instead to spend money on experiences. If it happens it will eliminate a ton of driver delivery jobs but with the demographic crisis, may be a good thing. Interesting times to live in.