Sadly, CA votes for these TV and radio personalities. There were a handful of candidates that were actually well-spoken and astute but Elder got the Trumpey votes. If the GOP can back and field a moderate in the likes of Pete Wilson or Deukmajian then it’s possible Gavin gets the boot. The state is doing poorly across all facets of governance
prumbly
2 years ago
I wonder how the recall would have gone without cheating. Lots of strange, unexplained, uninvestigated happenings again in this election.
The election was entirely decided by party membership. Had nothing to do with the candidates. If Elder had a (D) next to his name and Newsome had a (R), Elder would have won by a bigger margin than Newsome did.
California is now stuck with a terrible governor. They get what they deserve.
Good point we would go a long way in fixing things if we just took off the party affiliation on the ballot. People would have to actually study the candidates a bit to be able to remember who they might vote for not just pick their favorite “football” team!
He is best of a bunch of bad options. It is kind of like picking the best house in a bad neighborhood.
I think Faulconer should run as an independent in 2022. I think 2022 is going to be the year not to be affiliated with either party. I think a fiscally moderate and socially moderate platform would work in California. You can’t get that with either party anymore unfortunately. You either have to be an insurrectionist or a flaming liberal. I do think Newsom is more right of left but not enough at the center.
By the way stuck is temporary. There is another governor’s election in California in 2022. Ironically, the Republican states rushing to pass laws limiting all kinds of rights are going help California. People, especially women, no longer want to move to these crazy Republican states. There are stories of companies who are now having trouble recruiting people here in Texas.
I live here with these liberal morons. They complain about the homeless, housing, energy, etc for years. They got their liberal geniuses in power and still can’t do anything right. You are right, they get what the deserve. I wish them each a homeless encampment on their front lawn.
I don’t think so…. Elder was just too kooky for even the land of fruits and nuts, and reacted true to republican form, by crying ‘no fair!’ when he got stomped into the mud.
He has a promising career in angertainment media that peddles, fear, outrage, penis pills, nutritional supplements, and miracle medical devices.
KidHorn
2 years ago
Maryland is the most gerrymandered state. Take a look at their congressional district map…
Maryland has a republican governor and 7 of 8 house seats are democrats. The dems did a good job of gerrymandering.
LM2022
2 years ago
Interesting that the subject of gerrymandering came up since districts in CA are drawn by a non-partisan committee. The problem for republicans in California is that their brand is toxic. If they want to have a chance here they need to stop nominating complete nut jobs that turn off independent voters. In terms of the US congress, gerrymandering is the only thing that keeps Republicans in power.
Casual_Observer2020
2 years ago
FWIW, I think Kevin Faulconer is gearing up for a run in 2022. He was happy to let Elder and crazies in the Republican party continue to look foolish. Faulconer would make a moderate governor that could fix what’s broken in California without breaking what’s not broken. He did that in San DIego and left it in a better place. He would have won again there could he have run but there are term limits. I would have voted Yes for the recall had Faulconer been the leading Republican candidate. Because of Elder I had to vote NO and couldn’t risk the idiocy of Trump taking hold.
The idiocy of Trump? You suffer from TDS. Get help.
You have Biden releasing thousands of illigals throughout the country not being tested or vaccinated, but you say idiocy of Trump. You are a typical California fruitcake.
I preferred Kiley, since he was in State Legislature, and has some good relations with both sides. He had youth and some energy. Oso was a classic liberal Republican from the Valley but he had a heart attack and quit
oee
2 years ago
if the Rethugs win, then they win; if the lose,-they still win. Winning is the only thinks that counts.
You would be having an orgasm if Larry Elders had won. The Dems won. He gets to appoint Sen Fienstein sucessor if she retires. Also, the pro-vac message won! not lost.
High tax party won! the pro immigration party won! It helps that Musk and others left CA so they…cannot vote in…CA elections
How many those will offset the dead from Covid 19. I hear TX has more deaths per capita than TX. Did the immigrants keep the lights on last winter? w ill the immigrants make the uninsured rate to go down from 17 %. ( which is higher than the national average). Did the immigrants going to offset the fact women are going to die due to have unsafe abortions?
One statistic that Republicans have trouble with is that covid is killing them at a rate of 8 to 1. You have to wonder if families of the people its killing will flip parties in 2022.
OC and San Diego should have been more heavily Republican as they use to be. They haven’t been gerrymandered recently. I see nothing but bad news for Republicans everywhere based on what happen in those now middle of the road areas. There are no conservative strongholds with large numbers of people anymore in California. People didn’t want to turn California into Texas or Florida. I’m in Texas this week and small tech companies who moved here are now planning a relocation to California or Massachusetts based on laws being passed here and inability to attract talent to stay or move here.
Faulconer was for integrating immigrants and ran job training programs for them and vets while helping them find jobs as mayor of San Diego. The guy was about as middle of the road as a Republican can get and even he favored the Dream Act. Unfortunately, Trump has painted Republicans with a broad brush and guys like Elder take up all the oxygen while guys like Faulconer get nowhere. This is why I kept saying Trump is bad for Republicans everywhere. As long as Trump acolytes are taking up the oxygen the party is kind of screwed even in red states. There is plenty of evidence already showing that if you look closely.
I’m in Texas this week and small tech companies who moved here are now planning a relocation to California or Massachusetts based on laws being passed here and inability to attract talent to stay or move here.
He’s full of it. I’ve recently been in both Texas and California and Texas is booming while California dies. Everywhere I went in TX, the restaurants were packed. Skyscrapers were being built. 18 wheelers moving goods up and down the highways. California was like a dessert.
You are right about the growth here. It is out of control and crazy. I prefer controlled managed growth. Texas was a nice place to live in the 1990s and early 2000s. Now it has the out of control rampant growth that California had in the 80s and 90s. Somehow I don’t think rampant growth, traffic, pollution and everything that comes with it, measures any quality of life. I’m actually glad California is slowing down because it will be more sustainable. I grew up in Texas. It isn’t that Texas anymore and feels more like Los Angeles everywhere you go.
Yep, articles even on the main page of Yahoo a few days ago. Most intelligent, forward looking people aren’t interested in moving to a state that’s trying to become the next Handmaiden’s Tale.
Webej
2 years ago
And, even if immaterial to the outcome, all kinds of hanky-panky with the election process: Out of state people receiving ballots at their new address, people showing up to vote, only to discover their vote has already been registered (but they can’t find out what how they voted), cars stuffed with ballots, etc. etc. It does not seem America can hold a clean election, anywhere.
Reptilicus
2 years ago
All districting is gerrymandering. This is the 21st century and there is little sense in cutting up the state every 10 years according to fleeting political and other ephemeral considerations.
To eliminate districting and gerrymandering is to give each voter as many votes for state rep as there are seats (call that “X”). They can then apportion their votes to support the candidates of their choosing, and the top X number of vote getters go to the state house. The bonus of this is that a candidate with narrow but very deep support can get into office. Smaller parties would always have an honest chance of at least getting a couple of seats because their voters could throw all their votes behind their preferred candidate instead of spreading them out.
The Founders set the number of representatives to one per 30,000. In order to keep the guy close enough not to lose touch, and for people to hold him accountable. interestingly, anthropologists say bands of people start drifting apart and splitting up, from lack of cohesiveness, around 150-200 (+-). Leaving 30K around the number corresponding to people’s immediate representatives’ representative. 2 degrees of separation.
Do that, and gerrymandering becomes too unpredictable to bother with. And, representatives really do represent, and have to answer to, voters they cannot nearly as easily play games with. Of course, no properly indoctrinated citizen of Dystopia cares about Founders, common sense, sanity nor anything else useful anymore.
Yes it would. Exactly as it worked back then: One representative for each 30K people (Or voters, or whatever…). Nothing particularly hard about it. You just end up with 11,000 representatives. Less than a quarter the student body at UCLA…
People have more wealth with which to fund sending a representative now than then. Both travel and communication is easier and quicker. Making it even easier for 30K people to get to get together to send a rep to Washington now than it was then.
You just have to recognize that, in Representative Government, the emphasis is on Representative. Not Government. What government ends up looking like as a result of people being properly represented; as in whether it consists of 100 representatives or 100,000 is irrelevant.
What’s important is that each and everyone who does go properly represents those who sends him, as well as that everyone has the opportunity to send such a representative. And properly represents, as Washington in particular was keen to point out, requires that the distance from a representative to those he ostensibly represents, cannot be too big. It it is, it is simply too easy for him to effectively only represent the concerns of a segment of those from his district: The segment best connected and closest to him. Rather than all of them, as both is his duty, and a prerequisite for Representative Government to have any meaning at all.
California uses a non-partisan redistricting commission ever since that passed in a ballot initiative sometime back. It works pretty well.
it should be the law of the land in all states. But the commissions need to be designed properly. Ohio passed such an initiative, but then managed to stack it with republicans somehow, and they just released a ridiculously partisan redistricting, where for example a 53-47 R to D split in statewide votes results in districts that send more like 70-30 R to D representatives to state and federal levels. This really needs to be cleaned up with a federal voting rights law that is now in the pipeline, or our claim to being a representative democracy will essentially be finished.
AWC
2 years ago
$3.5 trillion, or maybe $6 trillion (or?) in fiscal spending, over the next year or so, will have gdp so high into the double digits by the mid terms that even the Trumpers will vote blue. The Yellen, Powell, Biden triad has one goal, Animal Spirits or die. Book it!
Too bad it was Trump who ended the Obama expansion. IF you want to talk about closed business, please see Trump.
The economy shrank 2.50% in 2020; the labor force was 2.50 Million less than when started. 400,000 dead and counting, and…
He lost….
Esclaro
2 years ago
So the Democrats have gerrymandered Illinois? Big deal. The Republicans gerrymander routinely everywhere they have power. There are districts in Texas and North Carolina just as bad as the ones you used for illustration in Illinois. Personally I think the Democrats should be as ruthless as the GOP when it comes to gerrymandering and suppressing the GOP vote. Maybe prohibit anyone who is not vaccinated from voting as a public health risk. The GOP wants war and it’s time to give it to them.
How about instead of escalating the malfeasance of both parties with this kind of thinking, people actually support making things better and more fair instead of less?
Better hope Blacks and Hispanics are Republicans then, since they are vaccinated at much lower rates than whites. Hispanics make up 40% of the population in CA but only 31% of vaccinated. Blacks make up 15% in FL but only 9% of vaccinated. Of the 44 states reporting data, Blacks only reach vaccination parity in 7 (no state reports Blacks above parity), Hispanics have parity or better in 18, and whites have parity or better in 21. Asians on the other hand have parity or better in 42 states with only Pennsylvania and South Dakota lagging.
IB6
2 years ago
Loss of Elder means that Californians will keep fleeing to Great State of Texas in droves, after having ruined their own state.
Perhaps instead of wall on Mexico border, we need a wall on border with California…
LOL. Great State of Crap. I am here this week. It feels worse than California. Traffic. Check. Pollution. Check. Accidents everywhere. Check. Hospitals full. Check. Homeless walking around. Check. Poor Air Quality. Check.
I live in the City of corruption and deceit, San Francisco…I can tell you more about democrat sheep than most…and I love being an independent here and not a sheep of the left….dope sheep can’t even add 1 plus 1, including this governor..
I can’t picture Trump sitting on the sidelines and just letting the election happen. I expect him to try to put himself into the middle of it. If he does, the results become more unpredictable. There are plenty of people who dislike Biden, but despise Trump.
“Trump lost because he lost support of independents and moderates.”
Trump did not “lose” the support of independents and moderates. He deliberately pushed them out of the Republican Party, calling them RINOs, and telling them to get lost. Can the Republican Party bring them back into the fold? Well, if Trump remains a central figure, it isn’t that they can’t bring them back, it’s that they won’t want them back.
>Can the Republican Party bring them back into the fold?
As long as they are cool with the Republican Party being the new American Taliban that subjugates the bodies of females to thier whims I don’t see why not. I mean they are females, what liberties should they have? Libertarianism is for the males /sarc
Been seeing pictures of Taliban all dolled up in our left behind military gear. The only difference I can see between them and Meal Team Six parading around town is the Taliban have longer beards, and Meal Team Six is morbidly obese.
Eddie_T
2 years ago
OT….I was delighted to see this….very unexpected. I give Rand Paul props on this one. He hasn’t always been on my good guys list, but he singlehandedly educated the congress on this issue. Hope it passes without being watered down.
No kidding. They spent years on the Hillary emails non-story, molding weak minds into believing there was something to that.
Then the dotard comes in after 2016 and his kids and henchmen use their own servers for government business too. Such hypocrisy.
Eddie_T
2 years ago
“Many independents revolted by Trump now feel the same about Biden. “
Include me.
Both parties are off-the-rails, just in different ways. It’s disgusting, and what the voters think or want ceased to matter a long time ago, other than these hot-button issues they can use to divide and conquer.
When the political and social situation is no longer
supportable you have a major shakeup and flip of political parties. In the
1850’s the Republican Party was born out of the revulsion of slavery and the
continuing support of it by the Whig and Democrat parties. They broke apart the
political system and imposed by war the abolition of which was and is an abomination to God and Man. If the deterioration continues we could see a similar spasm and rage developing resulting in politically something new.
Did you get a look at the Democrat donor parties lately? It white man’s world there with black and brown servants. The Democrats no longer work for the the common people but for the very rich and connected now. Guess who is cultivating the middle and undeclasses these days and I am happy to see that.
I am American and I spend months out of the year every year in the US and seen my age I do know the ground probably better than you. I also have had the fortune to have been able to live in several different countries during my life which does give me a perspective which you lack.
By saying I don’t know what is going because I am in France is evidence of ignorance on your part. You assume as true what you want to believe. You are making things up. Now tell me about yourself.
democrats create serfs, free loaders with no brains and who propagate without repercussions, instead giving them dead beat dads more money for not criminalizing the city…..
As we’ve talked about before, the country desperately needs a 3rd party that is socially liberal and fiscally conservative.
Neither party is close to that and so the independent and moderates veer back and forth every election or so between the 2 parties hoping one of them will transform into that model.
Biden is clearly 15 years too old for the job…. it’s embarrassing to watch him try and not fall into an old man rant. Less embarrassing than trump, though… he just lives in old man rant land.
Doug78
2 years ago
A lot of people don’t want their state to end up like
Illinois or their city to be ran like Chicago. More children have been shot by
guns in Chicago this year alone that have died by covid in the entire USA.
Terrible results in every metric yet Illinois still votes Democrat and those
who live there know why. The government is corrupt from top to bottom. Doesn’t
matter how you vote. You get the same result.
Like Mish, I moved our family out of Illinois. We lived in the city. From the 1980s through the noughts Chicago, like other cities, gentrified. Gangs were moved farther out. For quite awhile we lived in Bucktown. My wife owned a restaurant in Wicker Park, right across from the Double Door on Damen just south of where it intersects with Milwaukee and North Ave. By 2010 it was clear the trend was going to reverse. Taxes high and so forth.
NYC did the same thing. I lived there and worked for Chase Manhattan Bank (now JP Morgan). Mid to late 1980s. God what a sh1thole but getting better. Much nicer when I visited in the 90s and 2000s and 2010s.
But what I believe is really going to doom Chicago is the closure of the Commodity Trading Floors. The grain pits were the last to close maybe 5 years ago. All of those traders no longer need to live in Chicago. The exchanges, ok well exchange, since the CME now owns everything, including the CBOT, are still there but empty. The CBOT with the statue of Ceres on top at the terminus of LaSalle at Jackson was iconic. The traders were a big part of the culture of the City of Big Shoulders. And all the clerks and runners and others they employed, and the backoffice ops that supported all of it.
Not a huge part of the population, but a big part of the culture. NONE of it needs to be there any more. One BSD trader I knew who used to think nothing of writing 5000 Soybean options at a time moved to Texas. Others have or will. Another friend of mine whose company handles all of the commodity data and USED to have an office down there says downtown is now a ghost town (yeah COVID, but it will be an inflection point). The lawyers (I used to be one in a firm there downtown) and bankers will stay. But they are boring. Anyway, just a theory.
Jojo
2 years ago
Elder was an idiot to allow himself to get manipulated into stating that he would appoint a Republican to fill Feinstein’s seat, were she to die or retire before her term was up. That was like throwing raw meat in front of a pit bull! You can trash talk crap like this on your radio show because your listeners are in the same echo chamber. It just gets a “what else would you expect” from the opposite camp and a mental shrug. But the recall campaign wasn’t a conservative talk radio show!
Elder’s stupid reply allowed the press and the Democrats to expand the perception of the recall from a deficient California governor and related state issues to something where the outcome affected the whole Democratic power and control structure by potentially erasing the razor thin Democrat Senate majority and tipping the Senate to Republican control. This idiotic statement also helped reinforce Newson’s original theme of the recall being a Democrat vs. Republican election, instead of a Newsom competency election.
The failure of the recall election is ultimately a failure of the CA Republican party to settle on ONE candidate early on, get their name in front of the voters and build on all the ammunition Newsom gifted them to work with.
Instead, they did next to nothing, allowing a clown car of candidates to meander across the state with no real focus, thus giving Elder the opportunity to jump into the open void, where Elder promptly put his foot into his mouth and effectively handed the election to Newsom.
Elder is 69 yo. He LOST. Yet he hints at making a comeback. Cox is perennial loser who seems to like to run for governor (and lose) as a hobby. And Faulkner has the charisma of a soggy blanket. If the Republicans want to make gains in California, they need to start with new, younger candidates that people can better relate to and give those candidates some real professional support.
He certainly made more than one mistake. Similarly, he should have replied to the Feinstein question that it was a hypothetical and he would address it when and as necessary and that he would of course choose the best person for the job.
“Elder was an idiot to allow himself to get manipulated into stating that he would appoint a Republican to fill Feinstein’s seat, were she to die or retire before her term was up. That was like throwing raw meat in front of a pit bull! “
LOL, you guys are wondering why a popular governor was able to overcome a recall. It is because there was no actual majority of voters that did not support him. It was a right wing wet dream that cost CA millions.
I have repeatedly said I expected Newsom to survive the recall. I was just surprised Elder didn’t make a better showing. Still, it is enough for him to mount a campaign next year, if he were so inclined.
I used to actually like Newsom, years ago…..and I still think he handled COVID fine, given the circumstances. I’ve said that more than once here too.
I don’t like what I’ve seen in SF and in Cali on Newsom’s watches, though. But I’m just a tourist there, so who cares, really? just making conversation.
I called it on this site 2 months ago when the polling was 50/50. I voted for Schwarzenegger (my last ballot cast) in the Gray Davis recall and that election could not have been more different than this election. The universal vitriol for Gray Davis was unforgettable.
The CA Republican Party itself is a clown car. The real right-wing party in CA is the Dems, with its key members always doing their best to thwart real progressive things like a single-payer healthcare system.
Lance Manly
2 years ago
All the recall vote showed is that it is way to easy to do a recall against a very popular governor in CA. Billions of dollars down the drain. They should alter the law so that the ultra hard right can’t abuse it anymore such as increasing the number of sigs to get it on the ballot. It is a tragedy that so much money was wasted so uselessly.
Agreed. Next general election, the recall process will start on the first Wednesday in November. It is ridiculous and abusive, two core Republican traits.
“The 2022 referendum will not be about Trump….”
When the political and social situation is no longer
supportable you have a major shakeup and flip of political parties. In the
1850’s the Republican Party was born out of the revulsion of slavery and the
continuing support of it by the Whig and Democrat parties. They broke apart the
political system and imposed by war the abolition of which was and is an abomination to God and Man. If the deterioration continues we could see a similar spasm and rage developing resulting in politically something new.
You have said you live in France before. I never said you are French. Please stop making things up. Why do you do that?
A lot of people don’t want their state to end up like
Illinois or their city to be ran like Chicago. More children have been shot by
guns in Chicago this year alone that have died by covid in the entire USA.
Terrible results in every metric yet Illinois still votes Democrat and those
who live there know why. The government is corrupt from top to bottom. Doesn’t
matter how you vote. You get the same result.