Not in Recession? Don’t Count On It. Two Key Divergences Explain.

Index of hours and average weekly hours from the BLS, annotations by Mish.

Hooray, more people are working but after inflation, on average, how much more is the average person taking home?

Note that it is real (inflation-adjusted) income that counts for GDP.

The squawking parrots are out today trumping up a major jobs “beat the street” jobs number without looking at any of the key details. 

The BLS reports that jobs rose by 339,000 in May. 

Hooray?! Few bothered to read the entire report that showed employment fell by 310,000.

Nonfarm payrolls and employment levels from the BLS, chart by Mish.

Payrolls vs Employment Since May 2022

  • Nonfarm Payrolls: +4,063,000
  • Employment Level: +2,422,000
  • Full Time Employment: +1,734,000

Follow the Yellow Line

Of the 894,000 rise in employment in January, 810,000 was due to annual benchmark revisions. And the BLS does not say what months were revised, just poof, here you go.

Thus, we do not even know what months to attribute over half of that 1.7 million gain in full time jobs.

Just Noise?

One widely respected analysts I follow on Twitter has labeled the discrepancy between jobs and employment as noise. 

Really? Does noise last this long? And what about income?

Gross Domestic Income GDI Suggests the US Is in Recession Right Now

GDP and GDI data from the BEA, chart by Mish

Two Measures of the Same Thing

Gross Domestic Income (GDI) and Gross Domestic Product (GDP) are two measures of the same thing. But they radically differ in outlook.

On May 25, the BEA released the second estimated of first-quarter 2023 GDP. The GDP rose from +1.1 percent to +1.3 percent.

The BEA does not release GDI in the advance estimate, but does in the second estimate.

GDI was -2.3 percent in the first quarter of 2023, and -3.3 percent in the fourth quarter of 2022.

Corporate Profits

  • Profits from current production (corporate profits with inventory valuation and capital consumption adjustments) decreased $151.1 billion in the first quarter.
  • Profits decreased of $60.5 billion in the fourth quarter.
  • Profits of domestic financial corporations decreased $25.4 billion in the first quarter, compared with a decrease of $59.0 billion in the fourth quarter.
  • Profits of domestic nonfinancial corporations decreased $109.3 billion, compared with a decrease of $22.9 billion.
  • Rest-of-the-world profits (net) decreased $16.4 billion, in contrast to an increase of $21.4 billion.

Which Set of Numbers Do You Believe?

The divergence in the jobs data, and a weak rise in full time employment fully explains negative real GDI. 

More people are working, but real (inflation-adjusted) income is another matter. 

So, if you woodenly believe these GDP numbers, I suggest you are in for a major surprise.

What Does Trucking Suggest?

No Recession?

Those who believe these divergences will last all the way to 2024 and there will be no revisions to the numbers can put their faith in the above chart.

Revisions Coming

For many months I have been calling for major negative revisions.

One other person is ringing the same bell.

BLS revisions incoming.

Indeed. 

More importantly, BEA (GDP) revisions coming to match GDI. 

Expect a Long Period of Weak Growth, Whether or Not It’s Labeled Recession

Yep, I have been calling for a recession. And I was early. But I have been calling for a “weak” recession, as well as one with a relatively small rise in unemployment.

Flashback August 19, 2022: Expect a Long Period of Weak Growth, Whether or Not It’s Labeled Recession

Lost in the debate over whether recession has started, is the observation that it doesn’t matter much either way.

It’s payback time for three consecutive bubbles. Expect a long period of weak growth, no matter how it’s labeled.

This time there will not be bailouts. Nor will the Fed quickly reverse on interest rate policy out of fear of stimulating more inflation and unwanted demand.

And I have been touting relatively strong jobs in this recession.

Countless times over the last six months I heard jobs are are too strong for there to be a recession.

Such talk is nonsense.

We may easily see three or four quarters of negative GDP with relatively strong jobs because we never fully filled the losses from the pandemic. 

Might We See a Minimal Job Loss Recession? Why Not?

March 21, 2022: Might We See a Minimal Job Loss Recession? Why Not?

What if instead of firing millions of leisure and hospitality workers, the openings vanish? 

  • The housing bubble “Great Recession” suffered immense job josses with a very slow job recovery.
  • The double dip recessions in the 1980s had small job losses and speedy recoveries.

I expect the next recession to look much more like the 1980s inflationary recessions than the housing bubble “Great Recession”.

It’s amusing that I am getting taunts out of the blue today about “strong jobs” when the underlying details in jobs report (full time employment and hours worked) are both quite weak.

The report shows a huge drop in employment of 310,000 and a return to massive divergences between jobs and employment. 

And that has been my call all along, well in advance, since March 21, 2022. To top it off, I even have a token bragging rights bet on a minimal rise in unemployment this cycle.

People come marching in on my blog out of the blue with taunts and they have no idea what my position is on the unemployment rate. Adam hopes I am right.

Huge Jobs Divergence Returns, Jobs +339,000 but Employment -310,000

For discussion of today’s job report in detail, please see Huge Jobs Divergence Returns, Jobs +339,000 but Employment -310,000

The BLS Wonderland reporting is back with a vengeance today as jobs and employment head in opposite directions and the unemployment rate jumps.

Gross Domestic Income GDI Suggests the US Is in Recession Right Now

For more details on the discrepancy between GDP and GDI, please see Gross Domestic Income GDI Suggests the US Is in Recession Right Now

Gross Domestic Income (GDI) and Gross Domestic Product (GDP) are two measures of the same thing. But they radically differ in outlook.

Nothing is Normal!

As Craig Fuller AKA FreightAlley says, “I don’t think anything is normal about the current cycle we are in or the COVID cycle we just came out of. The world is drastically different now.

So, recession or not, this economy is not exactly normal. And it may easily stay that way for a long time.

The Fed cannot goose the economy to halt a recession given its fears, well founded or not, of stoking inflation.

This is payback for three consecutive bubbles. Meanwhile, the economic cheerleaders seem oblivious to the entire setup.

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Sunriver
Sunriver
10 months ago
The debt never matters till it matters to someone.
A big thank you to our children/grandchildren.
The only solution to the debt is to inflate our way out of it. Higher rates for longer will decrease tax receipts and increase the Federal deficit causing more debt. The FED will pivot to prevent the full consumption of all Federal tax receipts and attempt an inflationgate to remove the debt.
No way out.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
10 months ago
MISH wrote about the increase in voluntary part-time work / decease in full-time work over the past 6-12 months, so I’m not surprised by the aggregate / average hours chart.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
10 months ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
When you have sub 4% inflation for more than a year, job gains are at the fringes. Incremental comes to mind, including people taking second jobs. There’s not a ton of great paying jobs being created at this level of unemployment.
shamrock
shamrock
10 months ago
I got to hand it to you, your confidence never waivers.
Directed Energy
Directed Energy
10 months ago
What kind of recession has full hotels and restaurants? The 2023 one, that’s what.
Billy
Billy
10 months ago
Think this is a recession? Rate hikes started 12 months ago and may still continue. The full impact of rate adjustments continue to take effect from 12-18 months after the adjustment.
Doug78
Doug78
10 months ago
I would like to ask. What is a recession? Shouldn’t it be what each individual wants it to be and not what some old white men say it is? Why cannot each person or politician decide whether we are in one or not? My view is that if you wish very hard to be in a recession then you are in a recession. I also likewise believe that if you want to be in boom times then who is anyone to say that you are wrong? After all it is your decision and those who say you are wrong are obviously suffering from dangerous criminal delusions. True freedom comes from believing to be in whatever economic situation you want. Myself I believe that I am Bernard Arnaud and I make handbags and bang really high-priced “girlfriends”.
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
10 months ago
Reply to  Doug78
Very wise and insightful Doug.
It is clear that people come to this site for a variety of reasons too. Some want to whine about Biden, other want to whine about the Fed and a few like me come here for economic data and analysis to increase our wealth thru pragmatic data driven investment decisions. I identify as profits.
billybobjr
billybobjr
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
“And let’s not forget thousands of boomers retiring each day to join the socialism club and get free money and healthcare.”
This is a common theme from you whinning about boomers collecting benefits that was confiscated from their pay for decades
and had no control over passed legislation before they were born or of voting age .
I nominate you King Whinner. . You whine all the time
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
10 months ago
Reply to  billybobjr
What I am “whining” about is the demographic crisis that is going to affect every single person in this country. Social security isn’t going to help you when food costs 10x what it does now in a few years. I am “whining” about very few being aware much less Congress doing anything about it like immigration reform or establishing protocols or policies on how to deal with it. In investments there is a disclaimer that reads, “past performance is not indicator of future performance….” this is true for how things were before and how things will be in the future.
By 2030, social security may exist but your monthly payments won’t buy a bag full of food. Just wait and watch.
billybobjr
billybobjr
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
You said free money and healthcare ! They were forced pay into it and have paid hundreds of thousands of dollars over
the years of course they are going to claim benefits . The government made them participate . Many die and never
receive a penny but the government administered the program and made the rules . Wow is it that hard to understand
Jack
Jack
10 months ago
Reply to  billybobjr
You paid this money while you were working to fund social security for folks who were retired. You speak as if you were paying into a savings account.
With changing demographics there will be fewer people to fund your social security. Do not expect the young to pay more than you so they can get even less.
PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
I’m with you MPO. I come here for Mish’s economic analysis. Which I am sure is a lot of effort. And then I use it to try to increase my wealth.
Though that doesn’t mean his analysis is always right. I often disagree with his rather negative conclusions. But the fact that I keep coming back several times a week means he must be doing something right.
The biggest problem here are all the morons in the comment section who just want to complain and spread misinformation. I hate wasting my time wading through their garbage. Fortunately, once identified, I can hit the Ignore button on them so I never have to read them again. Probably done that to more than 20 morons so far.
But I still read the comment section because sometimes there are some brilliant people who provide great insight like Realist and Eddie did. Wish they were still here. I have made millions because of those guys.
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave
The forecasting and analysis over at wolfstreet has been spot on for the past year.
PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
Thanks.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
Yeah thats the other site I frequent.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
I partly disagree. Wolf rarely makes predictions, but he definitely has stout analysis. The downside is his over aggressive comment moderation.
backhousepirate
backhousepirate
10 months ago
Reply to  Doug78
Same goes for being a woman I suppose.
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
10 months ago
“But I have been calling for a “weak” recession, as well as one with a relatively small rise in unemployment.”
But if it’s a weak/mild recession with mild unemployment then what does it matter? If it is indeed a very mild recession then there will be a very minor correction to the stock market, the industries hardest hit will be those sensitive to higher interest rates like housing and discretionary spending. This is why I only bought PUTS in XHB and homebuilders rather than SPY & QQQ, I always try to hedge and so far it is working beautifully. I’ve got seven more months to go.
It’s easy to see what is happening, consumers have shifted from goods to service based activities (travel, dining, etc) and the question is how long that will last. Flights to Europe are about $2k right now in economy and try finding a cheap hotel or vacancies in major European tourist areas.
PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
Agree.
KidHorn
KidHorn
10 months ago
Total credit card debt is approaching $1 trillion. The average rate went up to about 24% from 21% a year ago. So that’s an extra $30 billion in interest payments over last year. Roughly $250 extra per household. And student loan repayment is going to commence in a few months. A lot of headwinds for the economy.
Mish
Mish
10 months ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Yes, student dent paydown will matter greatly

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