There is way to almost ensure we won’t get in another one of these “”wars”.
Pass a law or amendment that requires members of the senate and congress to participate directly in battle when our troops are sent off to war or police whatever you want to call it.
We can draft in the politicians train them and then they can participate in the war that they believe is so needed. This address three major issues..
1. The politicians turned soldier will have first hand knowledge of what our troops really need and the strategy being employed. They can report directly to the politicians back home what needs to be done to help, funding directives and improve our troops performance.
2. You will most likely never have to worry about your daughter/son dying in war because if the politicians have to put their lives on the line they will make dam sure the war is really needed.
3. As a politician soldier If you are unable to perform and participate for the causes that you feel are worth American lives then you will resign and the people can vote in another representative.
While fighting their pay will be adjusted commensurate with their skills and the biggest thing of all any injuries sustained will only be covered through the VA hospital system. Unless they want to pay out of pocket.
While our founding fathers did an incredible job with forming our government I think they missed the boat here. But is easy to see them just assuming that any wars the leaders would always participate, heck that’s what they did!
RonJ
2 years ago
“The US attempted to nation build and such attempts never work.”
It worked in Japan, Germany and Italy. The Marshall Plan was successful in Europe. We also had some 500,000 troops in Germany.
Immediately after Afghanistan, Bush pivoted to Iraq. Generals Shinseki and Zinni said upward of 3 – 400,000 troops were needed to occupy Iraq. They could barely scrape together 150,000, to invade, let alone occupy. Things are night and day different than they were in 1945.
Webej
2 years ago
marking the formal end of the longest war in U.S. history
How can something end if there is no beginning?
This is not a koan. There was never a declaration of war.
Other than to get Bin Laden, we should not have been there in the first place
The Taliban offered in 2001 to give up Bin Laden in exchange for evidence that he was involved
The plans for an Afghanistan invasion were in place months before 911
He prefers the term ‘pedantic poetry.’ Unless I am misinterpreting him and he is actually arguing that what happened in Afghanistan was not warfare. Non-zero chance that’s his opinion.
All of this was just an exercise in enriching the MIC. Look who started it. Halliburton.
thimk
2 years ago
We just left an unstable sovereignty at the door steps of Russia and China. Belt and road this country China .
Bungalow Bill
2 years ago
I am reminded on 9/11 there were no Afghans or Iraqis hijacking airplanes to fly into buildings. I am reminded what Donald Trump wrote in his 2015 book ‘Time to Get Tough,’ which was published ahead of the presidential election: “Then look at Saudi Arabia. It is the world’s biggest funder of terrorism. Saudi Arabia funnels our petrodollars – our very own money – to fund the terrorists that seek to destroy our people, while the Saudis rely on us to protect them.”
Then within his first 100 days in office, he flew to Saudi Arabia, put his hand on a strange orb, did a jihad sword dance, and made a massive $110 billion arms deal with these very same Saudis.
Trump never followed through with his rhetoric. In fact, he often did a 180 degree turn from the things that helped get him elected. Now he is playing armchair quarterback telling his MAGA cult members how much better he could have done it. Yet he didn’t and he had four years…
Nobody confronts the Saudis on anything. We can worry about China’s human rights violations, but King Salman can do no wrong. lol. He can literally commit murder and we gladly sweep it under the rug.
Oil.
Trump is/was a rank amateur on actual governing. He was an accidental President who got elected because he was a TV celebrity with a mouth on him. Americans love to vote for actors and celebrities. We’ve always thought their opinions were somehow special.
Trump got points for being confrontational and for what Jordan Peterson would call “disagreeable-ness”……he didn’t care if he created enemies, which was sort of a political taboo that he broke….he made hay by ranting about the other party and their obvious sacred cows and false narratives…..that white working people have no use for.
But you’re right. He never got anything done he promised in the campaign, and often reversed himself when it came time to make a stand. As has often been noted, he deals with everything as “transactional”, meaning what “does DJT get out of it”?
He got points with the crowds by criticizing things that nobody else would, like immigration, which was one of those “politically sensitive” topics before he blew it wide open.
We should try to learn something. We dodged a bullet, but we aren’t out of the woods. Social media and demagoguery go hand in hand.
Eddie_T
2 years ago
Moderna said to create a better immune response than Pfizer. I was wondering if we’d see these kinds of comparisons coming out.
….unless of course you get delivered millions of contaminated Moderna dosis like Japan did… In most countries the ‘flaw’ would probably ve been ignored, adding even more casualties to the thousands of poison shot deaths… and ticking…
Bungalow Bill
2 years ago
America is truly changed after 9/11. Americans are now tax slaves to the warfare/security/police state that will continue to trample all over Constitutional rights in the name of security. I have no doubt the next war is a short time away to keep what Eisenhower cointed the “military industrial complex” happy.
I can only hope my family members now serving like I once did figure out why we really fight. Hint: it’s not for freedom and liberty… (See Smedley Butler)
I think the biggest reason to leave Afghanistan and most of these areas where terrorism can percolate is that we have way more accurate technology to take out terrorist cells where they hide. Military satellites are capable of things they weren’t 20 years ago when used in conjunction wit UAVs. Word now is Turkey and Qatar will help the Taliban with infrastructure starting at the airport. It is the Taliban’s problem now to govern. The US and Russia are waiting and watching the Taliban. Both countries now have the shared interest of fighting terrorism. Putin wants nothing to do with Afghanistan after it took the Soviet Union down in infamy but will do all he can to prevent Islamic terrorism getting anywhere close to a Russian border. The US can combat terrorism in a variety of ways including holding the Taliban accountable. We’ve entered a new era in the south central Asia.
Casual_Observer2020
2 years ago
As bad as the exit was, Biden never wavered like every previous president. The last one negotiated this deal only fit for the coward that he truly he. We were told IISIS was gone but somehow killed 13 more soldiers. Basically everything the Trump admin did was a failure or a lie. The day Trump and his traititorous followers die is not a day to soon.
“Fake news” and owning the liberals provided Trump convenient cover as he claimed he defeated ISIS despite intelligence warning that ISIS was rapidly spreading across Iowa. Trump loves the poorly educated. In the end, the Trump legacy is coulda, woulda, shoulda as he is reduced in life to playing the armchair quarterback.
LostNOregon
2 years ago
One word: Finally!
Six000mileyear
2 years ago
Congress is as much to blame for the 20 years of occupying Afghanistan, or any country for that matter. Congress votes on budgets that include military items and grants the President permission to conduct military operations lasting longer than 30 days.
mrchinup
2 years ago
The big difference is the Taliban didn’t take over the country when Trump was pres, they knew better. They knew the liberal democrats are weak minded people that they could dominated. They didn’t even wait till Biden’s boobs were out to take over. The liberal democrat leaders are responsible for those deaths, they should be prosecuted for every one of them. Biggest bunch of bumbling fools we have ever had as leaders.
Oh please. Get real. The Taliban took over the minute we started withdrawing troops. They would have done exactly the same to Trump.
njbr
2 years ago
Dissenting vote on the original AUMF–Barbara Lee (D-CA).
She wanted a 240 day limit on the AUMF.
Remember–at the very least–no effn more unlimited-time AUMF.
Dean_70
2 years ago
The US left billions in arms, this is obviously intentional. We’ll find the reasons in the years to come. We’ll arm rebels for decades to keep the country destabilized.
All I know is the killing won’t stop but at least our soldiers have been removed from the line of fire, for now.
Corvinus
2 years ago
I wish it wasn’t such a mess – hopefully the only thing left to do about Afghanistan is forget it.
Casual_Observer2020
2 years ago
You can’t take the Biden out of BInlaDEN.
nic9075
2 years ago
so is this a win or loss for Biden & America? Other than dominating the news cycle for the past two weeks (welcome break from the Covid 19 fear mongering)what is the result long term ?? I mean BIden met the 8.31.21 goal that was all over talk radio
goldguy
2 years ago
And so it goes….my guess is that we will eventually be trading partners.
Reminds me a little like Vietnam, we sent our boys over there, got them killed, spit on them when they returned. Years later we started trading with them, look at us now, we are good friends.
Moral of the story? You would be insane to join the military….
There are many reasons people join the military – probably as many as there are service members.
I don’t judge people by their grades or level of academic achievement – that’s for the coastal elites that like to look down their nose at rural people and bask in their own smug sense of perceived superiority.
There are many families with strong military traditions. They consider it a duty and honor to serve their country. The politicians and greedy corporations misuse that trust for their own ends.
Right. I was drafted in 1968, out of grad school per Johnson’s program on grad school deferments. Half of my basic training company had degrees and my entire working section were college graduates. There isn’t an active draft today but that doesn’t mean that every soldier is a pathetic loser. Actually, most of the coastal elite, of my age group, were unfit for service including Trump and Biden. Today 75% are found unfit for service and they want to serve.
Well said and absolutely correct. I was forced to serve, it sucks.
shamrock
2 years ago
Hallelujah. Finally done with Afghshitholeastan.
TexasTim65
2 years ago
Any guesses on how long till we go back in militarily.
A) <6 months
B) 6 months to 1 year
C) 1-5 years
D) 5+ years
E) Never
My own guess is we will go back in if there is a major terrorist attack (like 9/11) on the USA that originates in Afghanistan. If there is not, we won’t. Presumably the Taliban know this and if they’d like to retain control it will be up to them to keep the terrorist organizations under wraps.
The military will be very loathe to go back there. They can’t even remotely guarantee for the safety of their own personnel anywhere outside of hardened outposts from where they’re unable to achieve much of anything. As American organizations go, the military still has some competent people in their ranks. Perhaps even some in the higher ranks. Being the only ones even remotely grownup in any room shared with other US “leaders,” they do carry a good bit of sway.
Eddie_T
2 years ago
On the timing of the withdrawal, I’d say Trump saw a good way to potentially r*tf**k Biden by not completing his own poorly conceived plan. What boat load of BS promises that the Taliban was never gonna keep anyway. How do you make a deal like that? So much for Trump’s Art of the Deal.
We invaded the country, threw the government out of power for 20 years, hunted them down like animals and installed our own puppets……And now at the end the guys we never wanted to see gain control of Afghanistan again are going to come back in and honor a bunch of promises to make sure Americans are safe? Pulleeeeze! Gimme a break.
I think we will be monitoring them from Kazakhstan along with Russia from what I understand. The US has a joint base there with Russia. Neither Russia nor the US want to see any terrorism come from Afghanistan ever again. Ironic both countries basically left with their tail between their legs and nothing else.
Then within his first 100 days in office, he flew to Saudi Arabia, put his hand on a strange orb, did a jihad sword dance, and made a massive $110 billion arms deal with these very same Saudis.
Trump never followed through with his rhetoric. In fact, he often did a 180 degree turn from the things that helped get him elected. Now he is playing armchair quarterback telling his MAGA cult members how much better he could have done it. Yet he didn’t and he had four years…
The Trump legacy is coulda, woulda, shoulda…
I can only hope my family members now serving like I once did figure out why we really fight. Hint: it’s not for freedom and liberty… (See Smedley Butler)
that is why only working class AKA lower middle class whites who don’t have the grades or intellect for college do so