Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff have a new vision for Gazalago. 
Please note the highly implausible ‘Project Sunrise’ Plan to Turn Gaza Into High-Tech Metropolis
Beachside luxury resorts. High-speed rail. AI-optimized smart grids.
Welcome to “Project Sunrise,” the Trump administration’s pitch to foreign governments and investors to turn Gaza’s rubble into a futuristic coastal destination.
A team led by President Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner and Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff, two top White House aides, developed a draft proposal to convert the bombed-out enclave into a gleaming metropolis. In 32 pages of PowerPoint slides, replete with images of coastal high-rises alongside charts and cost tables, the plan outlines steps to take Gaza residents from tents to penthouses and from poverty to prosperity.
The presentation is labeled “sensitive but unclassified,” and doesn’t go into details about which countries or companies would fund Gaza’s rebuilding. Nor does it specify where precisely the 2 million displaced Palestinians would live during reconstruction. The U.S. has shown the slides to prospective donor countries, U.S. officials said, including wealthy Gulf kingdoms, Turkey and Egypt.
“They can make all the slides they want,” said Steven Cook, a senior fellow for the Middle East at the Council on Foreign Relations think tank who just traveled to Israel but didn’t see the draft. “No one in Israel thinks they will move beyond the current situation and everyone is okay with that.”
The project, according to the draft, would cost a total of $112.1 billion over 10 years, though the U.S. would commit to being an “anchor” supporting nearly $60 billion in grants and guarantees on debt for “all the contemplated workstreams” in that time period. Gaza could then self-fund many projects over the following years of the plan, the proposal projects, and eventually pay down its debt as improvements fuel local industry and the broader economy.
The proposal acknowledges on the second page, bold and in red, that Gaza’s reconstruction depends on Hamas “to demilitarize and decommission all weapons and tunnels.”
The rebuild would proceed in four phases, starting in the south with Rafah and Khan Younis before moving northward to “center camps” and, finally, the capital Gaza City.
One slide, titled “New Rafah,” sees it serving as Gaza’s “seat of governance” and home to more than 500,000 residents. They would live in a city with more than 100,000 housing units, 200 or more schools, and more than 75 medical facilities and 180 mosques and cultural centers.
The plan estimates the entire effort would cost $112.1 billion, including the public-sector payroll, over those 10 years, with much of it at the start going to humanitarian needs. Just under $60 billion would be financed by grants ($41.9 billion) and new debt ($15.2 billion) in that time period, with the U.S. offering to “anchor” 20% or more of the support. The World Bank would also play a financing role.
Costs are projected to taper off as Gaza makes money heading into the plan’s second decade. The proposal calls for monetizing 70% of Gaza’s coastline beginning in year 10, and estimates the glitzy riviera could lead to over $55 billion in long-run investment returns.
A three-phase plan is still in “Phase 1,” as Hamas has yet to hand over its last hostage—the body of Ran Gvili. If that happens, Israeli forces can begin their withdrawal from Gaza in “Phase 2” as Hamas lays down its arms, vowing never to seek power in the enclave again. Only then, with Gaza no longer home to Hamas militants or occupied by Israeli forces, could the multi-year rebuild begin in “Phase 3.”
From This to Gazalago
Please note Gaza Sits Under 68 Million Tons of Rubble.
Thousands of Israeli airstrikes, along with fighting on the ground and controlled demolitions, have destroyed more than 123,000 buildings in the Gaza Strip and left an additional 75,000 damaged to varying degrees, accounting for 81% of all the structures in the enclave, according to the latest review of satellite images by the United Nations.
That has generated about 68 million tons of debris, according to the U.N. Development Program, which is overseeing rubble removal in Gaza. That is equivalent to the weight of around 186 Empire State Buildings. Distributing that amount of rubble evenly across Manhattan would leave around 215 pounds of debris on every square foot.
The rubble is mixed with unexploded ordnance—the bombs, missiles, rocket and artillery projectiles that failed to detonate. There are also human remains—the bodies of some 10,000 people which remain trapped beneath the rubble, according to Palestinian health authorities.
The work to remove the rubble can only begin in earnest if Israeli authorities allow into Gaza heavy machinery and equipment needed to move debris and destroy unexploded ordnance.
Meanwhile, the living conditions for Gaza’s more than 2 million residents remain dire. Most Palestinians are staying in tents pitched in overcrowded camps for the displaced and rubble-strewn streets. The onset of winter has worsened conditions, with heavy rains flooding camps.
How long, exactly, will depend on funding, Israel’s willingness to allow the necessary equipment into Gaza and the political will on both sides to keep the cease-fire in place.
The U.S. is hoping Arab Gulf states will foot a big part of the overall reconstruction bill, which the U.N. estimates will be around $70 billion. No agreement has been reached.
I would like to see the plans, but cannot find them anywhere. All the stories link back to the Wall Street Journal article at the top of this post.
But we have seen enough to know this is a major Fantasyland proposal.
Anyone care to guess the odds of success for this plan as described?
To quote Daniel Burnham, whose VAST impact on Chicago lasted until the liberal takeover.
“Make no little plans. They have no magic to stir men’s blood and probably themselves will not be realized. Make big plans; aim high in hope and work, remembering that a noble, logical diagram once recorded will never die, but long after..”
How to rebuild Gaza? Start with a Duty-Free zone. The free market will do the rest.
Where is the 200 ft tall gold spray painted statue of Trump giving Net-and-yahoo a blowjob going to be?
And how many feet of prime waterfront go the the Trump organized crime syndicate?
It must be awful with having both Trump and Netanyahu living in your head. What does your shrink advise?
Mike I am not in any party and have read Mish Talk for years! Donny Trump alleges that he is America 1st so if he and his gang really are they should build railroads trains tracks and trolleys here in America! I won’t be holding my breath!
Regarding Venezuela No Blood for oil and No More Disposable Heros bring our troops home now
Gazalogo??!!!???? !!!! LMFAO!!!!!!!!!! Oh Mike you come up with some good ones but that is a classic. Patent that one if I were you.
Then of course its 85% of the usual lets blame Trump for all the worlds problems , some dating back to biblical times
Best post is Nate, the Bears won!! LOL
Continue on with the blame Trump for everything. You are going to be real disappointed when American and the rest of the worlds problems get worse but hey you will have the next republican to blame for everything
Know wonder why nothing ever changes
Israel Is Preparing for a Permanent Presence in Gaza, Satellite Images Reveal
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/gaza-israel-building-military-outposts-roads-permanent-presence-yellow-line
Well … the Bears won – so that affects the odds in the universe.
🙂 : D
Five surveys in a row since the start of the war show that Hamas is still the Palestinians’ preferred political party. The central policy of Hamas is that this life is just a means to an end – the end being arrival in Paradise via martyrdom. The prospect of “Gazalago” eventuating is exactly zero when the beneficiaries don’t even want it.
“I think that Israel needs to completely kill every being first to get that rubble cleared.” – – BiBi N. Chimes in ….
“Consider it done, Bibi.” – – The Trumpster……
Let’s say there are 2 crazy thieves from different tribes in East Siberia, and a couple of community college therapists from Missouri are trying to analyze the situation.
Americans cannot understand the mindset of people in that area, and they assume that they are dealing with a problem. Both groups are 100% liars and corrupted, and want Western money, continuously. Screw them both, don’t get involved.
The story of Pontius Pilate who washed his hands, not wanting further involvement should teach you guys volumes.
there’s not a city in the U.S. that looks that good.
how about removing the rubble first, ensure they all have food and medicine, then worry about building?
How often do you get what you were promised from Trump”
No more wars (except for Venezuela)
Full disclosure on Epstein….whole pages redacted.
No income tax….still waking for this.
Making peace for five minute ceasefires like in Gaza, Thailand/Cambodia and Sudan?????
He’s battin’ 1,000.
The crassness of this Jetsons cartoon mocks the genocide that occurred (and arguably is still occurring) in Gaza. Obviously, there is no room and no role for the 2 million Palestinians in Gaza. That’s the point.
I wonder what the Trump-Kushner-Witcoff vision for the West Bank looks like? Or for Syria and Lebanon for that matter?
Trump could do more for the depressed cities of MAGA-land, but in reality he doesn’t give a damn about them.
More like Wonder how much trumps family plans to make of this scheme.
The Gazans BEGGED for the war, and finally found a way to provoke it. They were like a pig in mud for a few years, now they’re champing at the bit to resume the fighting and dying.
This antisemitism has nothing to do with land – that pretense is just a way to get the confused Westerners onboard.
Another con job from the Chief Con Man.
Flights of fancy from people who propose ventures only because they see a pecuniary corner in it for themselves, as well as to aggrandize publicly their inflated egos, will never lead to building anything with any chance of a real future.
Real value results from truth, beauty, virtue, and perseverance.
“Gaza could then self-fund many projects over the following years of the plan, the proposal projects, and eventually pay down its debt…”
Me wonders….if they are self-funding, why in TF would they need to take on debt?
Ah, the old load-them-up-with-perpetual-debt routine. Like John Perkins wrote about in Confessions of an Economic Hitman (EHM).
What a life for the Gazans! It’s all their fault, of course, for supporting Hamas.
Sarc.
Witkoff and Kushner are Grade A Douchebags. And Israel sucks and blows (a true engineering marvel).
FYI: Wells Wilder’s Reverse Point Wave Signal, also in Edward and McGee’s Technical Analysis of Stock Trends, has an 83 percent historical chance of proving correct. Daneric’s Elliott Wave theory is also pointing down.
We’ll see if the FED counters.
This Utopian City was built at the cost of 112.1 billions. No, no, not 112.1billions but 1 trillion by Muslim countries. Why not? It’s just a dream.
The Palestinians live in the Utopian city freely, self governed, side by side with Israel. Why not? It’s just a dream.
And Utopian city will not be wiped out again by Israeli’s bombs because of Article 5 like guaranteed by US and NATO. Why not? It’s just a dream.
DREAM BABY, DREAM
first we need to get rid of an organization that would rather kill jews than help Palestinians to prosper. Hamas exists in order to exterminate Jews
If a country were, over a period of 75+ years, to rape, pillage and murder your family and steal your land, would you fight back?
The American Indians did and look where they wound up.
Yep. They resisted for 250 years, then wound up as equal citizens of the country that conquered them and allowed to live anywhere they want in that country. But if we’re going to make an exception for Israel, and allow a right of conquest, then I fully support Israel making 5mn Palestinians full citizens and allowing them to go back to the homes they were expelled from.
You mean like when they were expelled from their homes in the Carolinas and forced to walk to what was the desolate areas of what is now Oklahoma? To live where ever they wanted as long as they survived the trek?
I think he meant when their children were taken away and forced to live with white families in an attempt to assimilate them. This was still happening in the late 20th century.
the only reason inigineous americans are equal citizens is that the U.S. didn’t leave enough alive to matter a damn.
unlike the actual U.S. genocide that in fact killed off a majority of indigineous americans, the number of Palestinians grew by 500% since the founding of Israel.
and Palestinians actually inside Israel do have full rights as citizens. the ones who live outside actually did have complete freedom of travel within israel from 1972 to about 1990, which ended after the Palestinians started blowing up buses and synagogues.
everyhing the Palestininas lost has been a result of them (or arab countries) attacking Israel first: they lost the sovereign country the UN voted for them, they lost the WB and Gaza (though they never had sovereignty, they were part of Jordan and Egypt).
“everyhing the Palestininas lost has been a result of them (or arab countries) attacking Israel first” Really?
Didn’t European Zionists move into a land that was 96% Muslim/Christian and demand a state without regard to the native population’s wishes? Then most of the Palestinians had been expelled from their lands before a few irregulars from arab countries crossed the border to help the palestinians from losing all of their land. Israel is the aggressor.
I used to believe everything you posted. I had been sold a lie. Dig deeper.
I assure you i have dug very deepl into the issue, and the one thing that’s true is simplistic claims like “isreal is the aggressor” are completley meaningless.
There was always a presence of Jews in Palestine. in the late 19th centruy, when Jews were being massacred in Europe by the hundreds of thousands in pogroms, many wanted to leave and because europeans saw them as interlopers from the middle east the only logical place was where they are unquestionably not interlopers. of course, the area was then mostly muslim in no small part because it was run by Ottomans who conquered it and sympathized more with the Arab muslims there than the jews.
the early zionists were all commercial purchasers of land, they just bought land from Muslims who willingly sold to them. this sparked a backlash after it continue resulting in massacres of jews there– the Arab Palestinians didn’t want the jews there even though it’s unquestionable at that time they were just buying places. this led to recriminations by the Jews, and back and forth massacres, resulting in Britian saying, ok they’ll never live together in one place, let’s just have 2 countries. importantly, Jerusalem was to belong to neither, just as t had been under the Ottomans.
an analogy to the indigneous americans would be if there was a diaspora to Europe, where they were never accepted, and at one point they started to migrate back to the U.S.
but my point is correct: everything the palestinians lost was lost because of their aggression, beginning with rejection of a sovereign palestine under their control for the first time ever. yes, it was less than they had,– but a lot more than they had now, right, and what they had was given to them by another conquering empire right? they could have chosen peace and thrived, like so many european and other countries that did that after WWI and WWII. and for 20 years after Israel did not control Gaza or WB, right? it was Egyptian and Jordanian.
Did you rebut anything I said? Specifically, the % of inhabitants that were Palestinian Muslims & Christians, the denial of their desires by a colonial power, or the expulsions? If you can give me a reason that the desires of the new immigrants should supercede the desires of those living on the land for millenia, I’m willing to give it a listen.
In your deep reading, you’ve surely come across:
“‘in our political argument abroad, we minimize Arab opposition to us,’ but he urged, ‘let us not ignore the truth among ourselves.’ The truth was that ‘politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country, while we are still outside’…” – Ben Gurion
A voluntary reconciliation with the Arabs is out of the question either now or in the future. If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison for the land, or find some rich man or benefactor who will provide a garrison on your behalf. Or else – or else, give up your colonization, for without an armed force which will render physically impossible any attempt to destroy or prevent this colonization, colonization is impossible, not difficult, not dangerous, but IMPOSSIBLE!. Zionism is a colonization adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the question of armed force. It is important… to speak Hebrew, but, unfortunately, it is even more important to be able to shoot – or else I am through with playing at colonizing. – Vladimir “Ze’ev” Jabotinsky
“The fear of territorial displacement and dispossession was to be the chief motor of Arab antagonism to Zionism down to 1948 (and indeed after 1967 as well).” (Righteous Victims, p. 37).
“[T]ransfer was inevitable and inbuilt into Zionism—because it sought to transform a land which was ‘Arab’ into a ‘Jewish’ state and a Jewish state could not have arisen without a major displacement of Arab population; and because this aim automatically produced resistance among the Arabs which, in turn, persuaded the Yishuv’s leaders that a hostile Arab majority or large minority could not remain in place if a Jewish state was to arise or safely endure” (Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Question Revisited, p. 60 – Benny Morris
“The boundaries of Zionist aspiration include southern Lebanon, southern Syria, today’s Jordan, all of Western Palestine, and the Sinai.” He argued that accepting a smaller state in the short term would provide the “lever” necessary to eventually “redeem” the whole country: “After we become a strong force as the result of the creation of the state, we shall abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine.” – Ben Gurion
There was never a chance to have peace with the Zionists intent on displacing the Palestinians and abrogating their rights. I’ve quoted Ben Gurion, Jabotinsky and Morris in support. Don’t defend the indefensible.
Sad that I have to keep repeating history.
The Arbas now branded “Palestinians” were offered the opportunity when the state of Israel was created in 1948 to become full citizens with equal rights.
20% accepted and now live comfortably in Israel as citizens with full and equal rights.
80% chose to call themselves “refugees” and rejected the offer and became dependent on generational handouts and welfare from the UNRWA and wealthy Arab oil sheikdoms.They can’t go back. The ir only choice moving forward is to reintegrate into surrounding Arab countries.
There were barely 1mm Arabs in Palestine in 1948. Where does this 5mm come from? Jews did not conquer Palestine, they invested heavily in developing its resources. 90% of the Arabs moved to Palestine after 1850, because the Jewish economy was the fastest growing in the ME (actually, the only growing economy) creating thousands of jobs. In 1920, the League of Nations voted unanimously to create a Jewish homeland in Palestine in recognition of the fact that for decades it was mostly a Jewish economy.
Palestinians are provably descended from Caananites. Jews largely left Israel voluntarily in the hundreds of years before the Roman destruction of the second temple (Thessaloniki, Rome, Tarragona). Those that chose not to return from the Babylonian exile remained in Iraq voluntarily for 2200 years. Only <40% of jews lived in Palestine at the time. Those that remained converted to Christianity and Islam. Today, we call them Palestinians. They are not arabs. Would you like links to the DNA studies to confirm this?
The population surge of Palestinians was due to 1. the Ottoman Tanzimet reforms, 2. the introduction of English medicine, 3. birth rates, not immigration. (But if you believe immigration nullifies a right to land, Zionists have a bigger problem.)
The Brits admitted they cast aside the rights to self-determination in the case of Palestine. They simply ignored the native’s wishes as if they didn’t matter. The trampling of their rights by the Zionists and Brits is the root of this conflict, and the source of all the animosity – not ancient religious feuds, not jew-hatred. And that’s what is slowly dawning on increasing numbers of Americans.
why do the Brits get blamed for it when they had control for a few decades, while the Turks had it for 400 years?? it’s this sort of Anti-western ideology that make sit hard to take critiques seriously.
the Arab Palestinians never had sovereign control over that land. this is not something anyone debates– for over 2,000 years the area was under the control of one empire or another (Roman, Persian, Arab, ottoman, British).
they ignired the Arab Palestinian wishes because their wishes was to expel or kill all of the jews there, which had maintained a presence for millenia. And the jews were almost externinated in Europe, so where would they have gone to?
I mean, why isn’t it fair to say, ok, you are both native populations, you can’t live together without massacring each other, we want out of it, so let’s create 2 sovereign nations? it’s a reasonable, fair solution to a problem that had been there literally for millenia
but it’s telling how you blame it all on the Brits when the place had been run by them for a few decades and by a succession of muslim empires–none indigenous– for millenia before.
… an earnest response from you requires a good faith response from me, so:
“they ignired the Arab Palestinian wishes because their wishes was to expel or kill all of the jews there, which had maintained a presence for millenia.”
The Shaw report, 1929, analyzed the causes of the “Arab”/Jewish tensions. It identified significant Jewish immigration and “arab” fears of Jewish domination (political displacement) as the key causes. (Citation below.) The “arabs” were willing to have a single democratic state with all religions treated equally. The Zionist demanded a Jewish state. The minority won the vote; the majority was ignored.
There was little animosity (not none, but far less than in Europe) between Arabs and Jews before Zionism. Consider that the first Iraqi finance minister was Jewish, two authors of the Egyptian constitution were Jewish, the chief rabbi of Baghdad was anti-Zionist, the sultan (ok, muslim, not arab) sent ships to pick up expelled Jews from Spain in 1492 and gave them land, and other examples. If (a small number of) “Jews lived in Palestine” for millenia, as you correctly state, how is it they survived there under overwhelming Muslim/Palestinian majority? The problem was the threat of displacement – not some hatred from thin air. And the “arabs” were right to fear it. The Zionist sought it, then enacted it.
Here’s Shaw, 1929:
It determined that the cause of the violent outbreak was “racial animosity on the part of the Arabs, consequent upon the disappointment of their political and national aspirations and fear for their economic future.” Additionally, the Report specifically stated that disappointment “attached to the various promises made” by the British to both the Arabs and Zionists during the first World War, played a role in creating tensions between the two groups. Those promises being the McMahon-Hussein correspondence promising Arab sovereignty of the region after the first World War and the Balfour declaration promising a national home for the Jewish people. The contributors to the commission explained this in the context of increased Jewish immigration and land purchases, which were threatening to produce a significant Arab landless class.
(And that’s why the Brits get a lot of the blame, not because I’m anti-Western.)
we can go back and forth endlessly. my bottom line is even of you don’t think the formation of Israel was the world’s greatest anti-colonialist triumph, returning soveregnty to the only people who last had. sovereign nation there, then it’s at worst no worse than any history of 90% of the nations existing today.
what bothers me about all this anti-zionism is it’s racist. it’s different treatment for Jews than anyone else. there are 22 Arab countries, 20 of them literally formed by conquest and colonization. there are dozens more predominantly muslim countries, most of them forced to convert. the Arabs ended Zoroastrianism is what was Persia, and did the same in Africa.
Intra-arab murders far eclipse anything Israel has done. in teh Syria civil war alone, Hezbollah working for Assad killed over 100,000 fellow muslims, all to keep a totalitarian dictator in power.
Israel is no better but also certainly no worse than any other country on earth, yet it gets 80% of the vitriole, even when there are literally atrocities far worse happening right now as I type this.
Except most Palestinians left during the 1948 war because the Arab countries promised they could come back after defeating Israel. The ones that stayed became citizens of Israel.
5 million? Is that the number that lost land from was it 1947?
Now count how many of those palestinians, both arab & Christian that live prosperously in Israel now. Lets say we net that out, but it wasn’t 5 million. Most of those went to Jordan, which is basically 70% Palestinian.
Then lets net out all the jews that were kicked out of Iraq, Iran, Jordan, Egypt. Some how they never get counted in all this.
You have Gaza & the West Bank, that were controlled by muslims, Egypt, but because of the constant Intifadas by arab palestinians Israel took it over militarily. But in your mind is that stealing land?
When you start a war and lose land why are you entitled to get it back?
You can dump this all on Israel but the fact of the matter is the muslim world has been using the so called Palestinians as cannon fodder in their daily war against Israel.
Palestine was never a country. It never had a military and it never had much infrastructure or culture. Palestine was a piece of land transients passed through. They were Arab , Jewish & Christian.
A Palestinian back then was all of the above. That is why Golda Mier, as Jewish as they come had a Palestinian passport as a child.
It was only when Arabs created this “lost Palestine” and then started a war and told their arab brothers & sisters to leave and come back when we destroy all the jews that this got out of hand.
But somehow that is all the Jews fault?????????????
My Automated Teller Machine Company placed ATM’s in Indian Casino’s throughout the West (I can name them). Their retribution is the White Poor Folk blowing through their paychecks with their VLT’s (Video Lottery Terminals.”
We parked Armored Vehicles each night with millions to refill those Diebold 1090’s.
The Native Americans were the most unhappy lot I have ever met. Just depressed no matter how much money they brought it. It was striking to me.
I could see the hate in their eyes of we white guys coming in and providing the Cash so they could mint Millions a month.
They are a strange people. We sold off our network and never looked back.
He’s a paid troll writing that sh*t from Tel Aviv. Don’t feed him; just ignore him.
it was never their land. they never ever had sovereignty, and the majority didn’t own their land/homes, they rented them from rich Arabs/Turks who lived elsewhere. and the only reason the Arabs were there to begin with is because they conquered the place after the Jews were thrown out by the Romans.
they could have lived in peace in a sovereign country called Palestine for the first time ever but chose to try to conquer Israel. they failed. and failed and failed again.
“it was never their land.” “the only reason the Arabs were there to begin with is because they conquered the place after the Jews were thrown out by the Romans.”
Yeah, I used to believe this too. Then I read a book. Scroll up to my comments to Steve, above.
what are you talking about?? there’s no debate the Jews were indigenous. they keep finding 2,000 year old documents in Hebrew in the WB. the Koran refers to Jews as Israelites.
it’s also not debatable that Arabs are not indigenous to the area– they ALL came from the Arabian penisnsula in the 6th century. Of course some of the Arabs married some of the non-Jewish locals, so it’s true to say some of today’s Palestinians are a mix of Arabs and non-Jewish palestinians. and anyway, the Jews were largely kicked out before they got there by the Romans.
so the fair solution for 2 peoples each native to an area that keep killing each other over a piece of land owned and administered by an empire (the Ottomans, then the brits) is to form 2 sovereign nations, which hadn’t existed there for more than 2,000 years.
To repeat: Most Jews left Israel voluntarily in the Hellenistic and Roman eras OR remained in Babylon after Cyrus let them return. Fewer than half of Jews lived in Israel by the time of the 70AD revolt. And the overwhelming majority of them converted to Christianity, then Islam over 1500 years. Yes, Jews lived there 2200 years ago. Their descendants who stayed now face Mecca. The religion changed, the ancestry is unbroken and provable by DNA. The fighting spirit of Masada, the Maccabees and Bar Khokba lives on in the Muslim Palestinians. Them’s just facts. (So… it is debatable that Palestinians came from Arabia. They didn’t.)
Except no one’s land was stolen. Where is the proof of land ownership? Not in the Ottoman land records used to collect property taxes. Today there are 2 mm Arab citizens of Israel No one stole their land.
Yeah, Steve, I’m sure Barry from Brooklyn has a higher claim on land in Palestine, if he makes aliyah, than Ahmed, who’s ancestors converted from Judaism in the year 750 and can trace his DNA to the Caananites.
Please do some research, not rely on what we’ve been taught, that flatters what we want to believe because “our tribe are the good guys”.
“Absentee land law” primarily refers to Israel’s Absentee Property Law of 1950, a legal framework created to seize and manage property left behind by Palestinians who fled or were displaced during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, effectively transferring vast amounts of land to the state for Jewish settlement and control. The term is strongly linked to this specific Israeli law, which defined “absentees” broadly and provided a legal basis for confiscating land, houses, and assets, becoming a cornerstone of Palestinian dispossession.
Gee, I wonder why the Palestinians might resent the Israelis and their supporters. If only we had a theory about that…
I’m amused you’re making it about Jews. If Catalans had conquered Palestine, would Palestinians be firing rockets at Jews? If Jews had accepted the state offered to them in Uganda in 1903, would Palestinians be firing rockets at Jews? Maybe this isn’t about Jews… maybe it’s about political and physical displacement.
Palestinians can’t afford these houses, Israelis can. Is this the plan?
Palestinians can’t afford anything. This is why they depended on generations of welfare handouts from the UNRWA and other Arab countries.
Great point.
Are you sure?
I am.
I’m quite sure Trump and the Israelis do not deserve any involvement. The Russians, Chinese and their allies may just patiently wait for the total Russian defeat of Ukraine, the defeat of Israel by Iran and their allies, and then the resulting destruction of the dollar and economic chaos in the USA. This patient and steady war of attrition on all these fronts may eventually destroy the Anglo-American Israeli/globalist empire. It’s not looking good and I think Trump is accelerating this very possible result. If that happens, I don’t see much of Israel remaining. Most of their population will leave and emigrate to various countries around the world. Can’t say I see this happening for sure, but if Trump keeps alienating and going to war with much of the world, it’s certainly a possibility. We’re not as powerful as Trump and most Americans believe.
You aren’t very “savvy’ or smart, Dallas but that is generally a Texan affliction imparted at birth or upon moving into the state. So you are stuck with these issues.
Sticks and stones. When you can’t debate the issues you throw mud and insults. Surprised you didn’t call me an antisemite.
They might be waiting a long time. When’s the last time Russia even captured anything meaningful in Ukraine? And they’ve suffered over 100k casualties this year alone? That doesn’t sound like the road to victory to me, it sounds a lot like America’s experience in Vietnam, except Russia can hardly afford a Vietnam compared to America circa 1970.
Where’d you get that Russian casualty number?
Various sources on Google. Casualties are not deaths keep in mind. What seems like the most verifiable sources say there have been about 150,000 Russian deaths since the start of the war. Those are bad numbers even for Russia, whose main strategy in every war seems to be just keep throwing bodies at the problem.
Yes, Russian casualties are high, but Ukraine estimated casualties are routinely much worse (7x – 10x) and the ratios are worsening for Ukraine as effects of attrition take hold across all aspects of their military and economic structures.
No, they’re not, lol
Last time? Try today, yesterday and the day before that. Putin is toying with Ukraine. His grinding, slow war of attrition is winning– not only against Ukraine, but the USA and Europe who are depleting their arms reserves, going further and further into debt and losing credibility all over the world.
At this rate, he’ll have completely conquered Ukraine in 50 years.
Then, he can begin Phase 2.
You have no understanding of their strategy and military tactics, nor the macro approach to winning what is a much broader war than what appears to many (including you) to be a regional conflict among Slavs in Europe. When and how it ends will no doubt surprise you. You probably won’t remember this discussion so I will tell you in advance “I told you so”
Yes Putin is playing 4d chess… His plan always involved 150k+ dead Russian boys… Lol
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2025/12/19/moscows-narrative-wobbles-as-ukraine-takes-back-kupiansk
Yeah, Russia wouldn’t need to lie like this if they had real progress to show.
Yeah, you’re looking at a Baghdad Bob situation right now. The lies coming from Ukraine get worse by the day.
Sure, it’s just like that, you guys have been saying the same old shit since Putin said it would be over in a matter of weeks. You’re trying to convince us to ignore reality, but that doesn’t work outside of Russia because Putin doesn’t control our media like he does at home.
You got one correct, finally! Elites (some foreign) and corporatist deep state elements control our media, not Putin.
It WAS nearly over in a matter of weeks, from the Russian perspective, when the initial phase got Zelensky to the negotiating table. Then Bojo the clown took a trip to Kiev and convinced Zelensky to fight and that of course he would win, with not only our military/intelligence support but also the massive sanctions packages being leveled at Russia that would bring about the downfall of Putin.
One legitimate criticism would be that Russia underestimated the willingness of NATO/EU to sabotage peace talks and go all-in. Thus at the time they did not have the number of men needed to take and hold all the territory against a quickly growing and NATO-supplied Ukraine army. Yet still, they established the land bridge to Crimea and surrounded Mariupol, in the process destroying much of the elite Azov forces there.
Personally, May 2022 presented me with an excellent opportunity to start looking at what was wrong with the media coverage. All the talking heads were saying how Ukraine was slaughtering Russian forces. Meanwhile, I was looking at the same footage of the bombed-out Mariupol factory complex and wondering how anyone was left alive. Azov men (the best of the best) surrendered but the headlines poo-poohed any Russian success saying they were taking staggering losses. So I found better sources of information, while others looked to MSM or watched silly rah rah infotainment that blanketed YouTube about how Russians were just dumb. I learned; they didn’t.
Europe is desperate, I mean desperate to support Ukraine.
And they’re scared to death of Russian invasion to Europe.
That doesn’t sound like NATO is winning.
I don’t think Europe is afraid of Russia, at this point, nobody is.
They just don’t want to have to send their own soldiers to fight in Putin’s utterly stupid “Special Military Operation”.
Remember when it was gonna be over in two weeks?
Pepperidge farm remembers… Russian farm bots, not so much
It’ll be over when it’s over. What’s the rush? Russia is losing fewer men than Ukraine and manufacturing (and stockpiling) armaments at a faster rate than the entire West. Slowly and steadily eliminating Ukraine’s fighting age population ensures that Russia won’t face an insurgency when they’re done. Basically, it’s the opposite of the American way of war: Shock and Awe, then “Mission Accomplished” and eventually slinking away having accomplished nothing.
Russians are losing 2 soldiers for every Ukrainian soldier lost. The only way you can count Russia as killing more is adding up the many civilians Russia is murdering through indiscriminate drone and missile strikes on civilian targets like hospitals and apartment buildings.
Wow. Just wow.
Wait, I was told Putin had lost the war back in 2022. Is he still fighting? I was told Russians were fighting with shovels. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64855760
Maybe you need to dig a little deeper…
Don’t forget Ursula’s claim that Russia’s economy was in tatters due to EU sanctions and they were having to cannibalize dishwashers to get the chips they needed for military use.
Russia is not only fighting against Ukraine but the whole US and NATO 32 countries.
Remember? NATO’s fighter jets, various tanks, various missiles and Ukrainian troops trained by NATO, NATO financial support.
NATO military intelligence support, NATO military guidance system, NATO troops managing sophisticated weapon systems.
NATO propaganda, NATO mercenaries
NATO sanctions. NATO confiscation of Russian assets.
That’s why Europe is scared to death.
I am under the impression their elites are genuinely Russophobic but also they fear becoming irrelevant, and this is also true. NATO will soon dissolve as a result of this war, which takes a lot of the money away, and the elites might not have such a great life after. If they follow-through with threatened false flag misadventures or attack Kaliningrad Russia will kill them. The citizenry might also kill them if this gets taken much further where the people suffer while money gets sent to Brussels or spent on weapons instead of necessities of life.
Russia GDP is 1/10 the EU…. Not counting Ukraine… That doesn’t sound like Russia is winning
Maybe the Ukies should use trebuchets to launch pallets of Euros at Russia soldiers.
Afghanistan GDP is 1/100000th the NATO. And NATO was not winning.
That’s a good point, it’s a lot like how a much smaller Ukraine is bloodying Russia. Ukraine is looking a lot like Russia’s Vietnam, except Russia is in no position to absorb such a loss. The demographic problems in Russia are such that Putin is now promoting child marriages to grow the birth rate.
Russia never invaded Europe and never will. But with the EU finances in terrible shape and their cultures depressed and demoralized, they think that “talking about war” will instill some sort of patriotism.
They were fighting maniacally against patriotism for 50 years, now they want it back as a tool of artificial morale.
Meaningful captures? Oh, you mean like Pokrovsk and Siversk? The other key remaining Donbass fortress towns are falling or at risk right now.
In the most recent body exchange, Russia handed back 1000 Ukrainians and received 26 back. 26!
Ukraine is running out of soldiers and now sends press-ganged conscripts to the frontline with no training.
So is it just a matter of weeks again…. Like it was supposed to be years ago? Lol you’re so full of it 😅
Go ahead and laugh. Russia will continue to move forward and take additional oblasts plus Odessa and turn Ukraine into a landlocked rump state. They have the resources to continue this as long as it takes.
On the positive side, cleaning up and building this gaudy masturbatory dream would likely require the movement of many natives (AKA “Palestinians”) to other places outside of Gaza, which means Jordan and Egypt, primarily.
Further, there is no water in Gaza. There never was and Gaza depended on Israel for much of its water supply. There were some jury-rigged desalination plants but nobody monitored or inspected them. Much of the water they produced was contaminated with bacteria.
There is also the issue of what to do with the waste salts from desalination. You can’t just dump them back into the ocean because too much will kill the local sea life. On top of this, the Gazan water table has been totally polluted and drained.
Gazan Arabs should be dispersed to other countries,. Then once the land is cleaned, Gaza should be turned into a park where very few people live and no oceanside hotels or vacation resorts should be allowed to be built.
Gaza is their rightful home. I would bet on the dissolution of Israel before this monstrosity is built. They want to strike again at Iran and when they do, that’s all she wrote. Israel will lose, they’ll launch a nuke against Tehran, and soon thereafter Israel will cease to exist.
The whole USA was the American Indians original home. The point you wanted to make was?
Jojo admitting Jews invaded Palestine and colonized it by force. I always knew you had it in you.
We also did slavery once too. Do you support slavery in Israel because the US did it?
You’re my moral beacon.
I should ask the same question. What point are you trying to make? The morality/rightness of actions is separate from the feasibility of Gaza takeover/rebuild. Morally I think Israel is in the wrong. But my main point was that this venture will fail because Israel is biting off more than they can chew in this “Greater Israel” project and the balance of power is shifting against them.
Wow, your comment is so ludicrous I’m shutting off the internet for the day.
Thanks!
Wakey wakey! It’s a new day!
Jordan ejected them once, and Egypt doesn’t want them either.
I’ve got it! Why don’t we let the Gazans/West Bank/East Jerusalem natives return to their homes from which they were expelled in ’48 and ’67? Such a simple, obvious plan!
Ha! Israel just approved 19 NEW settlements in the West Bank.
Plus environmental and health pollutants like asbestos, which was heavily used in Gaza construction and diesel pollution from all the military vehicles.
How do you dispose of everything? WHERE do you process and dispose of all the pollutants?
Palestine Health Authority doesn’t have a great track record with truth
That’s easy. You just bulldoze it into the Mediterranean. It’s only 186 Empire State buildings. All of it would just make a nice pier or some breakwaters for a few marinas.
Cities have been doing that for centuries. My home town in Canada dumped it’s garbage for decades into a bay on Lake Ontario to turn a swamp into a huge park.
True luxury can only be built on the bones of murdered children.
It’s democracy in action.