The logical course of action for the EU would be to abandon their idiotic and ineffective Russia sanctions and their weapons donations to Ukraine, apologize to Mr Putin and beg him for gas supplies. But of course EU leaders are way too arrogant to ever do that.
You gotta know when to hold ’em and know when to fold ’em…
Christoball
1 year ago
As I stated 6 months ago when Russian security forces were dispatch to The Ukraine; The Black Swan Event would not be the War, The Black Swan Event would be sanctions against Russia.
Avery
1 year ago
Ctrl+Alt+Print !
SFdocster
1 year ago
I found the most comprehensive predictions about the effect of sanctions on the war in Ukraine to be from Perun, in his video that came out on YouTube 5 days ago, titled “6 Months of War in Ukraine – Economics, Endurance, and the Energy War”
NATO chief says they should “stay the course”. Now where have we heard that before?
KidHorn
1 year ago
I love the logic of we can’t have peace because if we get peace it will lead to war. So, worst case scenario is we end up where we are now. Makes total sense.
Orwell wrote, “War is peace” as a satirical comment. These warmongers and their idiot followers think it is real.
BDR45
1 year ago
I think behind the curtain, there are some diabolical intentions to impoverish us all and leave the top one tenth of the wealthy and powerful with great powers over the population. Power has been a Siren song for humans since the earliest civilizations, so we must constantly fight to the death for our autonomy. In this present struggle, I wish us all good luck.
And they’re trying to reduce human population. But not them or their families. Why else the absurd outrage over letting states decide abortion laws?
FromBrussels2
1 year ago
Makes me wonder , how in the world could the US of A ‘convince’ our european idiots not to renew energy contracts with a 100% reliable cheap energy provider even way before the war started ? The otherwise utterly ruthless and criminal US of A even ordered the EU not to open OUR shiny new Nordstream 2 pipeline ! How could the US pull it off, apart from the ‘dealing with idiots’ aspect of course, was it blackmail, bribery, menacing and armtwisting in general ? It is simply mind boggling , how the yes saying EU clowns agreed with outright self destruction while our so called ally at the other side of the pond is now drooling and handrubbingly congratulating himself . The US of A got what it wanted all along , viz driving a wedge between Russia and the EU, preventing for once and for all the rising of a too strong economic and military block. Quite a pity , that s what you get with morons at the helm of a circus, a EU circus….
The objection to NS2 was by Trump. Think he wanted to help US LNG exports. Biden simply continued Trumps policy. Why Europe went along? Because they have no back bone. They’re a combination of our 2 political parties. The worst of both. The idiotic new world order agenda of the dems and the wimpiness of the pubs.
Actually, Biden removed Trump’s obstacles to the NordStream II pipeline. Then after Kamala Harris went to Ukraine to convince them that they would be in NATO soon (and to convince Russia to invade), The US lead the sanctions effort. Germany cut off the remaining funding of NS II as part of the sanctions.
Can we be serious here?
The “US” is not leading the EU. (FromBrussels2) At least no one elected is doing the leading. From day one of the Biden Administration, there has been a concerted effort to shut down energy production in the US. Who has been leading the fight to shut down “fossil fuel” use in Europe?
We (ordinary, not politically connected/powerful people), are being led down the garden path. Biden has issued a slew of Executive Orders that are outside his Constitutional powers. By the time any of this stuff can get through the courts and be overturned, the damage has been done.
The article implies that whoever is driving this train actually wants to restore the economic activity lines above. However, I have seen no action to do so. Everything coming from the US Government is ensuring that it does not. I’m not as aware of the goings on in Europe, except for articles like this that imply the EU council bureaucrats are likewise doing their best to kill their economies. All while pretending to be concerned for the citizenry, of course.
Does anyone actually believe that this sequence of actions is entirely accidental and not planned? Hell, we’ve got a candidate for the Pennsylvania US Senate seat running on union support. This is a guy who has never worked a day in his life. He also has never paid a dime of union dues. He had a stroke a while back and is not exactly coherent. (I never heard of any speeches he gave before the stroke.) And he was entirely supported by mommy and daddy up to the age of 45.
Why this example? Much of what is being done is literally “rubbing our noses in it.” Biden “was elected” after spending his campaign in his basement with occasional rallies attended by a dozen people. They want a US uprising. They’re beginning to get a few in europe. The people in positions of power have no intention of getting the world back on sound fiscal footing. A world in chaos is necessary.
Gotta help struggling Gulf sheikdoms, the beacons of democracy.
FromBrussels2
1 year ago
I just heard on CNBC that uranium stock are soaring because nuclear energy seems to be in vogue again…..yet there s a lack of uranium bars …..and Russia produces 50% of them …..quite a dilemma ain t it ? There s also a lack of Nickle, titanium, aluminium etc all abundant in Russia ….LET’S INVADE RUSSIA for once and fn all….the war on terror part 2…. or is it 3 ?
It would be one way for Russia to deliver Uranium to us.
Christoball
1 year ago
I will assert once again that at Least Putin cured Covid by moving security forces in to The Ukraine. It the blink of an eye Covid was off the news cycle, and the Kung Flue magically disappeared.
Nobody in California is talking about plastic straws either.
oee
1 year ago
Move toward renewables quicker; Make a rapprochement with Iran & Venezuela so the speculators would be forced to sell the positions on oil & gas. Require higher collateral deposits on Oil & gas futures to deter speculation which drive those commodities higher.
It did work. Oil prices are frown from early this summer. According to Bloomberg, WTI is $ 81 and Brent crude is $ 86 per barrel down form tripple digits during the spring and early this summer. It is better than the wrong wing that has done nothing but to rape and pillage the envirornment since the start of the industrial revolution.
I don’t think they’re lower because the plan worked. I think demand is down because economies are slowing and Russia is still selling oil. To Asia instead of Europe.
xbizo
1 year ago
If the economic war can be ended while the military war ramped up, that works. Ukraine needs to get manpower, and weapons faster than Russia benefits from relief of sanctions and build a modest advantage to slowly expel them from Ukraine and return Ukraine borders 2013 lines. Appeasement on the land grab will only lead to more future war. Big-boy decisions need to be made.
Ukraine is already doing fine on their own. But if needed, they can bring in NATO+USA troops for the clean up and to collect prisoners for the war crimes trials.
you know ukraine is lost right? that their offensive is repelled and they simply sacrificed more humans to control people they do not deserve to control
the Azov war criminals have already been collected by Russia, 50 something of them got killed by their Kiev colleagues couple of weeks ago…probably to save them from torture by Russia….
GruesomeHarvest
1 year ago
Stop the sanctions, stop the weapons flow and adopt a sane energy policy based on reality and not wishful thinking.
Carl_R
1 year ago
Sometimes you need to address evil, and when you do, it comes with a cost. Any cost paid by members of the EU or the US pales by comparison to the cost being paid by Ukrainians. My suggestion is that we have to live with our cost for awhile and see how things develop.
Really Carl, you bought the propaganda hook, line and sinker. Which country invaded and bombed the most countries and caused the most mayhem in the 21 century so far? That would be the US thanks to the f…ing neocons.
The US should not be invading other countries, either, and “nation building” never works, but at least the US has never done an invasion with the intent to annex the territory. The best outcome that could come of this war would be for Russia to have a change of heart, and realize that they could prosper more, and be universally better off it they work with the EU rather than against it, and share mutual prosperity. NATO would become unnecessary, and everyone could focus on butter, not guns.
What an ignorant statement. Everyone is affected by inflation, but besides general inflation, I’m a large user of Natural gas, and that has added many thousands of dollars of expense to me.
Oil and other commodity prices have about 50% speculation in the price. Rooting out speculators and hedge funds would bring down prices dramatically. One way to really hit them is seize profits if speculators who don’t take delivery trade in derivatives. Then take the profits and send the dividend to consumers.
Problem is a lot of producers use futures to hedge wild price swings. If you got rid of that, a lot of producers would go bankrupt.
Jojo
1 year ago
Here’s some serious food for thought:
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What Russia’s defeat in Ukraine would mean for the world
Janusz Bugajski
September 07, 2022 06:45 AM
September is a crucial month. If Ukraine’s counteroffensive along the southern front is successful, then Moscow will stand on the verge of a historic defeat — even, that is, if Russian forces temporarily hold on to Crimea and the Donbas. Military failure despite six months of war will have global reverberations by damaging Russia’s reputation and influence.
The Ukrainian army plans to push Russian forces out of the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions. If successful, the momentum will shift toward other occupied territories. While Kyiv continues to rearm with modern NATO weaponry, Russia is experiencing severe problems in replenishing its depleted ranks and replacing thousands of pieces of destroyed equipment.
Moscow may try to disguise military failures by claiming victory in the Donbas, but this will look increasingly hollow as its territorial control recedes and its military casualties mount. Indeed, a recent appeal for talks with Kyiv by Putin spokesman Dmitry Peskov indicates a growing realization in the Kremlin about the negative course of the war for Russia.
A military defeat in Ukraine will signal that despite its assertions, Russia will no longer qualify as one of the “poles of power” alongside the United States and China. Parallel to its military inadequacies, Russia’s economy is spiraling downward as international sanctions throttle civilian and military production. Europe is also freeing itself from Russian fossil fuels, and even German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has declared that Moscow is an unreliable energy supplier. The U.S. is set to replace half of the natural gas Russia once delivered to Europe by the end of 2022, and more gas will arrive from other sources. Moscow will no longer be able to blackmail the continent as it becomes excluded from European markets, and its revenues will shrink.
The realization of Russia’s weakness will have a wide-ranging global impact. China will seek to exploit the failing state by arranging cheap energy deals and beneficial investments. It will also promote Chinese influence, population movements, and eventual absorption of Russia’s far eastern regions that nationalists claim as Chinese territory unfairly appropriated by Moscow in the 19th century.
I would aid Ukraine in marching to Moscow and incite democracy in Russia. This is what Putin is most scared of. I wouldn’t end the war just because Russia retreats. It is time to win. And after Russia will be China. It is time to send a message
A week counter offensive leads to “ONE” village being captured..
BBC was claiming Ukraine seized four villages on day one, quoting the Ukraine Gov’t!!! And captured a Russian base in Kherson and the Russians were fleeing in panic!!!!
So what happened to the other three??? My bet the Russians retook them!!!
What happened to the Russian’s fleeing in panic???? My bet it was a strategic withdrawl and Ukraine fell for it…
More of the Oblast that lies along Kherson is under Russian offensive right now, than was before the Ukrainian offensive was launched, BBC live map. Would lead me to believe the Russians are chasing the Ukrainians into other parts of Southern Ukraine…
Net result of Ukraine offensive Russia will have seized more territory towards Odessa!!! Killed tens of thousands of Ukraine Nationals, their foreign mercenaries and Soldiers of Fortune!!!
you’re aware mercenaries fighting for ukraine are some of if not the most miserable people on earth right now, right? Putin is scared of you aiding Ukraine in a march on Moscow? Really? Then when you are done, you are going to improve on, well everyone, and march onward beyond alexander the great and march on china… great plan… whew so lets see, you scare putin by intending to do more than alexander, the british, and napolean… even if you meant USA or West its rubbish… i’m not sure the message you sent was the one you intended!!
Is this before or after WWIII? You have NO idea what Putin is scared of. The US does not run the world despite what you think. Instead, it is in great danger of being outplayed; not surprising with President Cluster Fudge.
It’s nice to see how gullible you are to believe US INTEL, the ones that lied about “WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION” , the one’s the “PUBLICLY” claimed Afghan military and Gov’t will be able to stand up to the Taliban..
The ones that said the Taliban was on the Run and loosing the “WAR”!! The ones saying bombings by the Taliban was an act of desperation cause they were loosing the War!!!!
The ones that claimed Russia stole the 2016 election in favor of Trump!!! The ones that claimed Hunter Biden’s laptop was Russian disinformation!!!!
Me as an Citizen of the United States of America I have learned not to buy what the US Intel Agencies are selling.. Their number one job is to sell “PROPAGANDA”!!!!
I so wish there were a way to effect anonymous wagers on the net. Russia is sinking fast. Whomever doesn’t see this needs to get out of the echo chamber they are stuck in.
how is russia sinking fast? would you like to show me some evidence? what I see is a country with food and fuel. What I see in Europe is the opposite. So why is that wrong
Janusz Bugajski reads like a one-trick pony from the US Department of State. I can’t imagine why? Perhaps because he is. It would behoove you to evaluate the people who write this stuff.
You sound like a broken record. ANYTHING that disagrees with your simple minded POV is poor quality, inadequate, etc. The whale is going to kill you again.
alexaisback
1 year ago
“The oil glut of the 1980s, which followed the 1979 oil price shock, was a direct contributor to the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. The USSR had just before that become a major global oil producer; lower prices immediately resulted in a substantial loss of hard-currency export revenue, forcing the USSR to deplete its official reserves amid growing deficits of almost everything across the union,” said George Voloshin, head of the Paris branch of Aperio Intelligence.
It is simply that simple. Oil Glut.
JackWebb
1 year ago
Perhaps someone could re-post, in a comment or a reply to this one, the contents of In Search of Better Ideas; any words or graphics below point 6 in The Situation; any graphics in Macron Defends Russia Dialogue to Prepare ‘Negotiated Peace’; any graphics in Putin Retaliates With Natural Gas Shutdown After G7 Announces Oil Price Caps.
The above are the parts of this post that will not display in Firefox, Edge, Brave, or on my Android phone. Thanks much.
1. Putin did not cause this
recession but he aggravated it. In order, central bank policies,
government policies, and responses to Putin caused or aggravated the
recession.
2. Agreed
3. Agreed
4. No, It’s a terrible idea.
5.
Hell yes. Stop the stupid sanctions, everyone of which has backfired,
as predicted in advance. Start negotiations with Russia.
6. We are here because the political desire to do something, anything, even the wrong thing is overpowering.
To
add one more important idea, the US will not avoid a recession.
However, the EU will have a much worse one, especially for following the
US lead on backfiring sanctions.
Italy’s Salvini Says West Should Rethink Sanctions for Russia
Like him or not, good ideas are good ideas.
Here’s a good one: Italy’s Salvini Says West Should Rethink Sanctions for Russia
Speaking
at a conference of political leaders Sunday on Lake Como, Salvini
claimed the sanctions meant to punish Moscow over its invasion of
Ukraine had in fact helped Russia, resulting in an export surplus of
$140 billion, during the year ending July 2022.
“Do we have to
defend Ukraine? Yes,” Salvini said. “But I would not want the sanctions
to harm those who impose them more than those who are hit by them.”
Macron Defends Russia Dialogue to Prepare ‘Negotiated Peace’
After calling for more sanctions and watching them backfire, French president Emanuel Macron switched positions.
Please note, Macron Defends Russia Dialogue to Prepare ‘Negotiated Peace’
French
President Emmanuel Macron on Thursday defended his policy of keeping up
a dialogue with Russia after its invasion of Ukraine, saying that
Turkey should not be the only power talking to Moscow and preparations
should already be made for a negotiated peace.
“Who wants Turkey
to be the only world power which continues to talk to Russia?” the
president told a meeting of French ambassadors at the Elysee Palace.
Macron
argued that world powers should already be preparing for a “negotiated
peace” to end the conflict that has already lasted over half a year,
while emphasising it was up to Kyiv to decide on the timing and the
terms.
“We must prepare for a long war. We must avoid escalation and prepare the peace,” he said.
The reason I mentioned graphics is because there are white spaces that look like they might hold charts. Thanks very much for what you posted, but on the words front the biggie is what’s under the subhead In Search of Better Ideas. Could you post that?
If you use VPN, that would be an easy explanation, but in my experience mobile browsers suck. The platform is tightly controlled by Apple or Google, and it’s unlikely that an adblocker is involved.
Either that, or Mish can switch platforms. I am very far from an Internet newbie, and this site is the wonkiest I’ve encountered since the old BBS-dialup days. His blog, his rules, but this platform is weird. I am no techno nerd, but if I was running a blog that censored my own comments and rendered my posts in a format unreadable or only partly readable, I’d find a different one.
My guess is that he’s focused on the task rather than the publishing mechanics. Very understandable to me, but his platform is doing him a real disservice. Mish, I suggest finding a second platform and for a while doing duplicate posts there and here. Again: Your call, but this site is doing you no favors, that’s for sure.
Press F12, refresh the page, see if you get any javascript errors.
PapaDave
1 year ago
A better idea that fixes things quickly? No. And I haven’t seen anything posted here that solves anything in the short term or long term. Because you can’t.
We are in a big mess for the rest of this decade, if not longer. Even if there is a negotiated settlement in Ukraine.
And unlike many here, I am not going to point fingers or lay blame. That’s just a waste of time.
What I see here is a lot of people focusing on, and fighting over a couple of trees, while missing the entire forest.
Rather than focusing on Russia, Ukraine, Europe, the US, China, politics, wars, trade, etc; I prefer to focus on the big picture. The entire planet.
The world is in the early stages of an energy transition from fossil fuels to renewables. This transition is going to take many decades. And it is not going very well so far. Demand for energy keeps increasing, and we are doing a poor job on the supply side, in part, because of the transition that is going on; and in part because humans can’t work together to make the transition go smoother.
I accept that humans are probably going to continue to f*ck up the transition (example: the war in Ukraine). And there is certainly nothing that I can do about it. But rather than whine and complain about it, I prefer to look for the investment opportunities that arise from this messed up transition. The volatility that results provides great short term trading opportunities, and the long term trends provide great long term investments opportunities.
lol how on earth you think your comment makes sense i have no idea… which part of my 12 words was a tantrum? lmao
btw you are talking to someone who cares far less than 99% of americans if we go back to the 1800s so thats why i’m laughing at you.. an attempt to be witty and you said the exact opposite of the truth
We won’t have GPS after WW3 but we will have more accurate chronometers not to mention calculators. If Jack Aubrey can navigate by the eclipses of the moons of Jupiter from a pitching ship without even a slide rule, you should be fine.
plenty can be done hybridizing old and new techonlogy… unfortunately the longer EVERYONE tries to avoid energy decline, the less likely we get an orderly transisition of discovery and more likely we get squalor
the real problem is liberal dummies are so off about whats wrong and whats coming from their solution, and republican dummies are so off about energy/resource limitations unless it involves keeping foreigners out of their stock. Of course securing your house is more important than a loopy climate religion but whatever still needs to be corrected
The problem is the west has been lied to about where oil comes from…
It is abiotic, if it comes from plants and dinosars, than that means every planet in our solar system had life teeming on them in the past..Which if true proves another lie we in the West have been taught!!!
Dry oil wells have had been found to be being back to full, when checked years later….
i’ll bite, how does oil coming from dinosaurs mean every planet in our solar system had life teeming?
no oil well has been full years later… instead afaik a russian well had some seep back in but closed down again soon after… oil is not abiotic, and there is no evidence of it being so more than what could more easily be understood as some leakage from surrounding areas into a newly made cavity
exactly… i’d never assume 100% it isn’t or can’t be abiotic but even rock and water and heat and other assorted chemicals was at some point abiotic and then became biotic. Perhaps this is what the other individual was alluding to… kind of a twisted strange reasoning but its interesting
Those are exactly the demands Putin made to Nato on December 26, 2021 before the war. When those demands were not met Putin invaded Ukraine. Those demands were made to be rejected by Nato for it would have been the liquidation of Nato itself. Putin wanted war. It was not thrusted upon him. He wanted it.
And this is why war should be brought to bear in Red Square. Any negotiated settlement begins with Putin turning himself in for war crimes and UN oversight of free and fair elections in Russia. Putin should lose everything. This will teach every autocrat a lesson they won’t forget. Putin is a paper tiger.
That means George BUSH JR needs to turn himself in, along with Bill Clinton, and all the European leaders who were in charge when US forces and its Coalition partners have been carrying out military ops!!!!
Webej
1 year ago
shutting off all natural gas to Europe
This statement is 100% false
There is natural gas flowing through Ukraine who is receiving contractual transit fees in dollars
Municipalities are suing to retain current contracts with gazProm
Putin just offered today to send unlimited gas through NS2
Europe is being strangled by its leaders and American directives
They are gaslighting their own people by claiming they cannot buy gas. They can. And many parties are.
All the monetary compensation will not help. If governments fully compensate everybody for their extra expenses, there will not be more energy, but prices will be bid to infinity.
the larger problem which 98% of people ignore is that fossil fuels are in decline…. Europe mostly, but US through over exploitation are further along the curve than other countries which can pump but don’t have the same heightened appetites (ie are already poor)
“5. Hell yes. Stop the stupid sanctions, everyone of which has backfired, as predicted in advance. Start negotiations with Russia.”
You’re blind as a bat!
The sanctions are working and need to be increased wherever possible. The only negotiation with Russia should be total and full withdrawal from Ukraine back to pre-2014 borders and payment for all the damages caused if Putin want the sanctions lifted.
If the sanctions weren’t working, then Russia would not desperately be sourcing old ammo and weapons from NK.
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Russia buying North Korean rockets and artillery, U.S. intelligence says
9/6/2022
Russia’s Ministry of Defense is buying millions of rockets and artillery shells from North Korea to aid its war in Ukraine, according to recently downgraded intelligence, a U.S. official confirmed to Axios on Tuesday.
Why it matters: “This purchase indicates that the Russian military continues to suffer from severe supply shortages in Ukraine, due in part to export controls and sanctions,” the U.S. official said.
The big picture: The official added that the U.S. expects Russia to continue trying to purchase “additional North Korean military equipment going forward.” The findings were first reported by the New York Times.
– Russia has increasingly turned to other adversaries of the U.S. — namely China and Iran — since its invasion of Ukraine. It recently received an initial shipment of drones from Iran to use in Ukraine.
– North Korea has expressed willingness to dispatch teams of laborers to help rebuild parts of eastern Ukraine held by Russia, AP reported.
– Both the export of weapons and the sending of construction workers could see North Korea run afoul of U.N. resolutions, per AP.
Russia ‘at the end of its rope’ as China turning its back on Putin over ammunition deal
RUSSIA is “at the end of its rope” in Ukraine as Moscow seemingly turned to North Korea to buy its ammunitions after China refused to military support Russia in its invasion of Ukraine.
Sep 7, 2022
Deputy Director of the Atlantic Council’s Center for Strategy and Security Matthew Kroenig said Russia is out of ammunition and the fact that China refuses to send its weapons to Moscow suggests that Russia is now “at the end of its rope”. He explained that the move from China might indicate that US and Europe sanctions are working and argued Beijing’s step back in support of Russia might be because China is “worried they could become victims of US sanctions” if they directly support Moscow. The comments came after declassified American intelligence revealed that Russia is now buying millions of artillery shells and rockets from North Korea.
Speaking with CNBC host Eamon Javers, Mr Kroenig said: “Russia is out of ammunitions, it can’t get munitions from other countries and even China is refusing to help Russia’s military effort.
“So Russia is turning to Iran and North Korea, these countries are providing Russia with more ammunitions now, but I think it shows that Russia is at the end of its rope.
So, the corporate MSM has added one more to the list that they have been peddling to the gullibles, eh? “Russia running out of money/options/weapons/manpower/steam/ideas/tanks/chips/time/ammo …” over the last 6 months now??!!
OK, we will add this one to the list too. {{{YAWN}}} Happy now?! LOL
Why fire off high-tech weapons when cheap NK rockets/shells do just fine, and it boosts NK’s economy? What happens if NK has a go at SK? Putin laughs his a$$ off?
Hm I’m not sure its any of our business whatsoever… I personally have no desire for war or to tell russia what to do… they can buy weapons from wherever they want… of course they primarily make their own and have many of the best pieces equipment made anywhere… and obviously have been prepping for this event for at least 8 years… but sure they need North Korea and their 12 cabbages, not my business
LM2022
1 year ago
I don’t see any negotiated peace.
Russian and Putin have been engaged in asymmetrical warfare against the west for a decade now (interfering in the 2016/2020 elections, and assorted assassinations and attempted assassinations across Europe). Anyone want to bet we ultimately find out that Trump was feeding Putin stolen classified docs this whole time?
I don’t see Biden missing an opportunity for payback, especially since they’ve come after his family.
Also, I’ve said it before, Ukrainians want to fight for their country, who are we to tell them to stop?
The ones that are being forced to fight by their dear leader who is being enriched by Biden. At the beginning of the war no one from 18 -60 y/o could leave Ukraine. Had to stay and fight. Zelensky is a corrupt US puppet used to fight a proxy was against Russia, killing his own people and destroying his country.
There are several examples in the book Sandworm. Elections, power grid and cyber attacks during elections. The only way to combat Putin is to launch a cyber attack on Russia first. The Netherlands did this in the mid 2010s after they found evidence Russia was going to hack their election. So they launched a cyberaatck on Russia prior to election day in the Netherlands.
This is too dumb to pass up. Asymmetrical warfare? Of course, the CIA would NEVER interfere in another country’s elections. There are any number of examples if you care to look. Ukraine is a great example.
Anyone want to bet we ultimately find out that Trump was feeding Putin stolen classified docs this whole time?
Anyone want to bet that you are a typical “progressive” who won’t ever consider that anyone might not want to be lectured to and ordered around by you and your kind?
Hillary, you lost fair and square. Time to get over it.
RonJ
1 year ago
“Putin and Energy Price Caps, Does Anyone Have a Better Idea?”
How about everyone quits, while they are behind. But everyone in charge would rather double down, regardless how many people are harmed or killed.
Jojo
1 year ago
“Robin Brooks is seeking better ideas. Does anyone have them?”
Yes, I do!
I keep repeating this for all the people with brains that as Jethro Tull sang, are “Thick as a Brick”.
Ending Russia’s invasion of Ukraine helping the world economies heal is simple. All Putin has to
do is admit his paper tiger army bit off more than it could chew,
withdraws all forces to pre-2014 borders, commits to paying for all
damages it caused and necessary rebuilding in Ukraine and begs for
forgiveness from the West, promising to never invade another free and
independent country again in return for the sanctions being lifted.
Guaranteeing a negotiated outcome seems a poor choice of words as the US and EU stupidity as of yet has not found bounds
8dots
1 year ago
Putin doesn’t care. A trade deal with Iran might NOT happen. New exogenous causes might deflect media attention from Putin.
An election gift to the eternal Xi.
dpy
1 year ago
I don’t think that we should assume that a replacement for Putin would be more eager to align to the wants and wishes of the USofA, Britain, Brussels or NATO. I’ve read that his second in command is quite a hawk. It depend on whether the Atlanticist oligarchs would have the power to take control of Russia. I doubt it. Putin is VERY popular as is nationalism. In fact, as a culture they have a strong sentiment to preserve and protect their traditions and wokism is not popular. Putin talks about this divorce from the West having positive aspects in that regard.
all accounts i have read are that putin is the most moderate option and every speech or statement I have heard from him is extremely reasonable sounding
in fact martin armstrong has obtained documents (and is writing a book) from the clinton administration which implies putin was put into power specifically for his moderate rational demeanor
lol no it has nothing to do with china/america’s long standing economic war… they obviously had never seen america impose sanctions… they obviously had no idea 85% of the world would side with them when it came to sanctions… not buying that for a second, although i’m sure they considered it a possibility
I’ll stick to my first opinion, they thought Europe would do nothing other than express outrage because Europe knew they could use energy against them.
Yea its certainly possible, you don’t assume when you pull a gun the other guy is gonna jump off the building…
but from what I’ve learned about military planning and/or russian military planning is that as many scenarios as possible are thought through and contingencies are developed… my guess is full sanctions were on the list (even if they are pretend full sanctions)
It’s not just Putin. It’s his whole group. Putin let’s his underlings sound more radical than him in order to give others the impression that he is the reasonable one. It’s just the good cop bad cop routine and easy to see through. Doesn’t fool anybody.
lol yea ok… either way, Ukraine will be demilitarized and denazified
FrankieCarbone
1 year ago
Putin started a war with Ukraine. US meddling led to that result. Nonetheless, place the blame 100% on Putin for the invasion if you like.
With all due respect Mish, and I do say this respectfully, it’s time to stop avoiding the discussion of WHAT caused Russia to invade Ukraine.
And here is a critical fact to start with: The war started in 2014 and the aggressor was the United States.
The blood of all those soldiers and civilians drips from the hands of the American Public for being intellectually lazy, living in “Happy Magical Thinking Land” and unthinkingly and uncritically buying into all of the bull schtye that their itchy ears want to hear.
Adding disclaimers like this are IMO extremely counterproductive. The American People must have it shoved in their faces that THEY are ultimately the genocidal murderers who sat by and being completely disinterested in anyone but themselves, allowed this to happen. Nary 1 in 10,000 questioned Maidan. As long as CNN or FAUX was telling them what to think and what to believe they were content with being fat, DUMB, and happy.
Sorry, but some truths are very painful to swallow. And this is one of them. The West is merely getting its comeuppance for abdicating their duty to watch dog the government that rules over them.
Mish, to put such causes in perspective, if the Archduke Franz Ferdinand would have shaved off his Rollie Fingers mustache that fateful morning then Princip would never had recognized him and the world could have avoided WWI !!!
[The blood of all those soldiers and civilians drips from the hands of the American Public for being intellectually lazy, living in “Happy Magical Thinking Land” and unthinkingly and uncritically buying into all of the bull schtye that their itchy ears want to hear.]
The American public prevented Hillary Clinton from continuing the Obama legacy in 2016.
The American public also elected Donald Trump in 2020. If the election had not been overturned, the war with Russia would not have happened.
There are indeed Americans who went along with the BS, but there are many (majority?) who did not. I find painting the entire US populace with your blood-soaked brush intolerable.
Doug78
1 year ago
“And is there any reason to believe Putin would not shut off all oil exports if the buyer’s cartel price cap actually held firm?”
Perhaps the objective is to get him to shut off the oil.
Yep they will buy their Russian oil with Made in China and India labels!!!
8dots
1 year ago
Putin ticktock the European idiots, from Vostok, the last warning shot. In Dec/ Jan Putin might give Europe a chance. Nerd #1 might be on. // Mish, the big guy, and his big wife unveiled. Mishelle dominate, she is the brain. Both, the invisible hands.
I’m convinced that 8dots gets drunk and then comes here to post quatrains. LOL
Behold the 12 horses of the rainbow/Moon is in the 7th house/Jupiter aligned with Mars …
jhrodd
1 year ago
Russia is not at war with Ukraine. They launched a Special Military Operation in support of the Donbas that has been at war with Ukraine since the US financed coup in 2014. Putin has stated that if Ukraine attacks targets within Russia (with long range US supplied weapons) they may well declare war against Ukraine. This would be a whole new ball game and any Country supplying weapons to Ukraine would automatically be co-combatants and subject to retaliation. This would be WW3, although not necessarily nuclear. Russia has conventional weapons that could devastate NATO and are indefensible. They could eliminate all of our satellite capability, they could easily collapse our feeble energy grid. We are obviously not prepared for this.
Eighthman
1 year ago
How did Western nations fall into this perverted interventionism such that a foreign nation’s interests are above those of its citizens? Baltic states are among the worst – dying nations losing population while suffering 20- ish percent inflation – while they seem to exist only to fight with or annoy Russia? How about the general welfare of your own people?
Forcing Ukraine into negotiation would be more humanitarian than its own government cares to do. I don’t hear any state calling for a simple ceasefire and armistice.
The horror here is that Russia can’t stop because the EU/US can’t be trusted with any treaty or agreement – as with Minsk II or JCPOA or INF or Open Skies. So the only “solution” is to make sure Ukraine can’t fight for years to come. This mess didn’t have to happen.
“This will lead to nonsensical charges that I support Putin. I don’t. I never support starting wars nor trade wars that are not winnable.”
I’m still waiting for an articulate policy to be advanced (and debated) regarding Ukraine, the 7,800 Russian sanctions and our end-game objectives not only in western Asia, but globally.
An old adage suggested there were always three sides to every discussion: your side, my side and finally, the truth.
In the newest and modern day iteration, there is 1) my side which is also the truth and 2) the bad Putin backers (or climate deniers, or anti-vaxxers, or immigrant haters… well, you get the picture.)
Washington, DC, legacy media, and other elements of our society (Big business/Big tech, Pharma, academia, BLM, Green movement, etc.) are “speakers of the truth.” Any others with a differing point of view (who wish to have civil dialogue about many important aspects of society) are considered Putin backers… or worse!
The Bushman monkey had 95% approval rating. That’s a lot of Rs …and Ds !
I was in the 5%.
jhg
1 year ago
Yes there is a better idea : KNOWLEDGE and FACTS :
In 2014 may, Donbass held a referendum where the people voted for secession with Ukraine. You have to understand more than 90% in these areas are russian speaking and a majority considered them oppressed by Ukraine. Two days after the referendum Donbass sought membership in Russian federation but was denied due to the political complications this would bring. After Ukraines president Vlodomyr Zelensky refused to speak with representatives for Donbass, Donetsk and Luhansk during peace talks arranged by France january 2022 Russia decided to make a wedge down eastern Ukraine to protect Ukrainian citizens in eastern Ukraine against central Ukraine bombing these areas. What you label “Russias war with Ukraine” is based on your stupidity and ignorance. It is a freedom war where the self proclaimed states Donetsk, Donbass and Luhansk refuse to bow for the Ukrainian nazi government. The solution is as that USA stops lying in their political propaganda war and stop giving american dollars and bombs to Ukraine president Vlodomyr Zelensky so Ukraine prsident will have to stop bombing his own citizens in Ukraine eastern part and being forced to peace negotiations with his own citizens. We can debate the 2014 referendums in eternity but the only thing that will help all parts now, TODAY, is Russias proposal for peace negotiations between Ukraine – Eastern Ukraine (Donbass, Dontesk and Lugansk). If Ukraine president Vlodomyr Zelensky refuse peace negotiations with eastern parts of his own country Ukraine he is to be courtmarshalled and shot as he is not president for all Ukraine, only the parts he choose. Do recognize president Joe Bidens interest in proven bribes and corruption in this war, USA taxpayers should investigate where their money goes.
The 1st person to use Hitler/Nazi in a post proves themselves an idiot and loses the discussion.
Provinces/states in a country, regardless of how a secession vote may tally do not have the right to leave and align with another country. No more than say Alaska decided to vote to leave the USA and merge with Russia or Canada.
So then it must always be civil war in order to cede?
As an FYI, many countries have split peacefully over voting. Some have remained together after voting and may in the future hold another vote to cede. Examples of this include Quebec and Scotland.
So your idea that you can’t vote to cede is ludicrous. Not everyone subscribes to the US point of view on ceding.
The list of successful splits is really short. But hey, let’s run with that idea. How about Russian states which want to leave the mother country? Might that be acceptable to Putin and YOU? What’s good for the goose… [lol]
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Secretary of National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine believes Russia’s collapse has already begun: “dozen of regions ready to leave the Russian Federation”
IRYNA BALACHUK — WEDNESDAY, 7 SEPTEMBER 2022, 14:27
Oleksii Danilov, the Secretary of the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine (NSDC) is convinced that certain processes have already begun in Russia that will eventually lead to the collapse of the aggressor country.
Quote of the NSDC Secretary: “Processes have begun there that no longer suit the leadership of the Russian Federation. They did not start immediately – not in March, not in April, but they began to gain momentum two months ago.
There are studies, which show that some territories are now ready to be liberated from this colonial state. We have the first, let’s say, ten of these regions. We understand who will be, relatively speaking, at the forefront of all processes.”
Tyler and Polk forgot to record the deed to Texas during the wild real estate speculation the U.S. had prior to CW.
MPO45
1 year ago
Yes, I have a better idea: Start a “Manhattan” project to replace oil/gas as the primary energy source on planet earth. I’d offer a $100 billion reward for cold fusion or hydrogen or super solar or whatever. Get the best minds on the planet to work on it. We need to do it like all life on planet earth depends on the solution because it does.
How are we going to pay for that? Cut social security and medicare, get boomers back to work.
Is that the best you could come up with? I already did the hard part, I started the idea. It’s what I do then let others do the work. Haven’t you learned anything by now?
No, seriously. Envision a program of research unlike the world has ever seen, from vast companies and universities, to individuals working in their basements to develop superconductor transfer systems of energy from one side of the planet to the other, and infinite safe/clean energy. This instead of green crap, mostly a waste of resources on solar and wind that cannot come close to meeting the needs of 8 billion people,.
so you want to expand our search for magical solutions to cost the maximum possible….
you want to drill imaginary super conductors through the earth or just mesh them all over the globe… fantastic plan! when they are done they can find energy to power the mesh of unknown origin
The future of the planet and the human species hinges entirely on innovation, always has, always will. Innovation can be small step or giant leap, all it takes are minds with the capacity to create and the desire to explore other possibilities. 100 years ago electrical grids were unknown, ditto for nuclear power plants… They did not just ‘happen.’
Human creativity crops up every so often in ways the rest of us find hard to understand. Maybe the creative mind works differently? BTW, a surprising number of creative people are/were ‘fairies’. Leonardo da Vinci is the most famous one. Nowadays, he’d be in prison. Alan Turing was another–after saving the world from Hitler, he was prosecuted and chemically castrated.
Incidentally, if I asked you where you get your best ideas, I can pretty much guarantee I know the answer… Now, why is that
people who have lived like kings will not accept that it must end… they must declare their religion that the savior inventor is coming to give them more free stuff
Speaking of pets, our dog killed a damn big rabbit two days ago and left it next to one of the garden gates. I shoveled it up and threw it into the meadow. Where are the dang vultures when we need them?
They did. Thousands, millions even, of them. For 150 years. Oil and gas was what they came up with. It’s what beat out all the alternatives that al those other thousands of millions of great minds came up with. It’s a pretty darned good solution( while it lasts ): Pulling such almost untold riches out of, effectively nowhere, as far as alternative uses for 5000 feet below ground is concerned.
Also, no great anything mind ever gave a toot about $100 billion dollars, nor similar nonsense. Their minds wouldn’t be much great, if it didn’t even rise to transcend such petty trivialities.
What they do expect, though, is to not have to worry about money. Not for proper housing walking distance to Stanford. Not for near-as-good-as-it-in-reality-gets education and healthcare for their family and kids. Beyond that; minimal interference and distracting nonsense (hence why “enough money” is so important. And hence why even slightly Manhattan-project minds are dying on the vine wrrying about nonsense like finding housing in current day Silicon Valley) , and tenure in an environment with other minds great enough to be interesting, is what matters. Measuring wallets, not to mention “portfolios;” are about as interesting as measuring dicks for anyone ever remotely aspiring to “greatness.” Einstein and Godel, certainly two of the greatest, had all of the above at Princeton. While being paid something which rounds off to approximately nothing at all (despite at least Einstein having to endure being paid much more than he wanted due to his rock star status….).
Let’s consider Covid as a case in point. The CDC, surely great minds work there? Nope. Other government departments? Private corporations? Universities? Not a lot of great ideas in any of them, but a great deal of group think. Why is that? Any number of reasons–for example, scientists and engineers are trained to thing atomistically (break the problem down to its smallest parts), almost never holistically (see the problem as a whole). Applied to the search for energy in an age of whale oil and wood, developing oil and gas was a breakthrough. Then, with a few exceptions, group think set in.
Nowadays, woke schools and lousy teachers destroy bright minds as soon as they can–we can’t have white suprem acists. Too many smart Je ws, and As ians (no faster way for a comment to be rejected than use those words) we must exclude them.
Like Einstein and relativity, the solution might not come from a research one university. Maybe some person working in a library, or a musician with a head for numbers. True genius knows few bounds. He/she could even be homeless.
As for tenure, it has become a farce for the untalented.
You are right about one thing–creative people often enjoy sharing their ideas, mostly challenging themselves, not building their self-esteem. They steer clear of research centers unless it is on their terms.
I’ve been calling for such a Manhattan project for years. I have posted that idea to the NYT, WaPo and others and to Biden directly at his public email.
We have to remember also that it isn’t just the USA that is working on the ideas you proffer. Most, if not all, of the 1st world countries have strong initiatives going in these areas. There are many breakthroughs occurring. The hard part is making them commercially viable in the short run.
I am equally certain that the oil/gas industry is paying significant money in campaign contributions (and under the table?) to any Congress people who can slow the tide of alternative energy.
Here’s a significant new article that discusses an easy way to get H2.
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Scientists Find a Simple Way to Produce Hydrogen From Water at Room Temperature
31 August 2022
Hydrogen fuel promises to be a clean and abundant source of energy in the future – as long as scientists can figure out ways to produce it practically and cheaply, and without fossil fuels.
A new study provides us with another promising step in that direction, provided you can make use of existing supplies of post-consumer aluminum and gallium.
In the new research, scientists describe a relatively simple method involving aluminum nanoparticles that are able to strip the oxygen from water molecules and leave hydrogen gas.
The process yields large amounts of hydrogen, and it all works at room temperature.
That removes one of the big barriers to hydrogen fuel production: the large amounts of power required to produce it using existing methods.
This technique works with any kind of water, too, including wastewater and ocean water.
“We don’t need any energy input, and it bubbles hydrogen like crazy,” says materials scientist Scott Oliver from the University of California, Santa Cruz (UCSC).
So simple! I’m sure the UK will be all over it… It’s so simple they should be able to have hydrogen generators covering the landscape by next year… but we know we won’t be seeing that. You better believe the attainment of the inputs will kill this, even if it finds a niche. It will not be a solution or it would be everywhere very quickly… gosh hydrogen from water without boiling it or electrocuting it? only steady supplies of gallium and aluminum? I don’t mind being debby downer but yea this aint gonna work… people keep thinking the universe owes it to us… its fascinating to watch… invent away but you won’t break the laws of thermodynamics and you’re praying that a very rare discovery that changed the human course is replicated right at the end of the last time it happened. UNLIKELY
Good thing that Russia and China are primary producers of gallium. Then there’s the energy costs to produce nanoparticles out of scrap. And then the leftover aluminum hydroxide goo.
I think it makes more sense to invest in developing anti-gravity and in harnessing perpetual motion machines. The first saves energy by reducing friction and the second by providing limitless energy. All just as practical as your ideas. Oh, and why not just kill off the boomers and post boomers and save the entire social security and medicare.
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Do the exact opposite of Biden.
1. Make Ukraine a neutral state in return for rebuilding assistance.
2. Offer Russia entry to the EU and NATO membership in return for non-aggression.
I don’t think Russia is the least bit interested in joining the EU Nannycrats nor do I think they’d want into NATO at this time (BTW, if they were to enter NATO then there is no reason for Ukraine to be neutral).
I also believe Russia wants Ukraine split into 2 parts by ethnicity. Ethnic Russians in the East will form a new country Novorossiya and the ethnic Ukrainians in the West will remain as Ukraine. What’s happening in Ukraine is essentially what happened to Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia in the 90s. Both countries split along ethnic lines. Czechoslovakia was peaceful and Yugoslavia was not. Ukraine is emulating the Yugoslavia model unfortunately but the end result will be the same in Ukraine as it was in those countries (split along ethnic lines).
#3 would definitely be welcomed by not just Russia but by anyone interested in peace.
I have no idea what Putin wants, or what he will do. However, when plan A fails, it is sheer foolishness to move to plan A-1, A-2, A-3…. The first thing is a cooling off period–hence neutral state status for Ukraine. Also, unaligned, there are more opportunities than lap-dog.
A bigger problem than Ukraine will ever be, is the US’ current approach is driving Russia toward China. IMHO, that must not happen.
It’s all great news for energy profits outside Russia, and a good way to soak up a bunch of cash chasing housing, crypto, and other foolishness.
For those that hadn’t made up their minds about the efficacy of sanctions in Russia, the jury is still out. Sure, Russia will tell you they are juuust fiiiine with the sanctions, but they have been known liars for centuries, and I don’t know of a reliable source of info for what’s going on over there. I’m betting the whole Russian economy will collapse suddenly within a year if Europe can get completely off Russian energy.
Time will tell, but the fat lady ain’t sung yet. For my part, and I suspect for most on this blog, energy prices are a non issue. I could see them quadruple and not impact my standard of living. The poors are gonna hurt, but the poors already hurt… and you can’t take more than what they have. If they gotta pay more for energy, that will drive down rents and other things they have to buy. Once they hit their credit limits, the rubber hits the road.
If Russia is fine with sanctions then why complain about them? Why does Putin want them canceled in exchange for gas? Something doesn’t add up. If Russia is fine with sanctions then why use them as a bargaining chip?
You must be super rich if you can afford energy costs to quadruple and it have no effect on your standard of living since virtually everything else would probably double in price (food, clothing, goods etc) since they all rely heavily on energy.
Apparently you don’t understand about mushroom clouds, white powder in a vial, or poison gas generator trucks.
ColoradoAccountant
1 year ago
Nuland vs. Putin in Judo. Loser walks.
KidHorn
1 year ago
All this because a few war mongers in Washington think it’s still the 80s and getting Ukraine into NATO would be great. Even though, no one else, including Ukraine, wanted it.
There’s no downside to negotiated peace. Do we really want a half blown up Ukraine joining NATO at this point? It would accomplish nothing and cost us billions of more dollars. Let Putin keep the stuff he blew up.
Really? Putin has learned that he can bring Europe to their knees anytime he wants as long as they are addicted to his cheap oil, just like a junkie and his drug dealer. Suppose a “peace” is negotiated then next year Putin decides he wants to be made King of Europe or he will cut off energy. What then? Make him king?
What if Putin decides he will only provide energy if homosexuals in Europe are jailed? What then?
What if Putin decides he doesn’t like a particular religion or race then what?
The truth is nations need to get beyond oil from Russia, the middle east, Venezuela and other despot regions then they will collapse into nations like Paraguay.
Aren’t you the one who said global warming was going to kill everyone and then bragged about buying energy stocks? Which, by the way, must be big money losers now.
Why should I think you can accurately predict the future?
I said climate change will kill everyone: 100% guaranteed. The nearby star called the “sun” will eventually expand into a red giant guaranteeing all life on earth and in this system will die.
Yes, I own energy stocks and what part of buying PUTS do you not comprehend?
I don’t predict the future, I do statistical extrapolations and attempt to profit. It works most of the time.
They might eventually get beyond the need for oil. But that’s decades away at the earliest (not Russian oil, but oil in general) and until you can get 100% away from oil your going to be semi-captive to Russia and anyone else who produces oil.
So it’s time to bite the bullet on Ukraine and let them go and continue working on the decades long process of getting away from oil.
But then we get to the truth – the REAL truth. Humans survived fine on earth without oil for 300k years as far as we know, maybe longer, and at some point we’ll need to go back to that way if new energy isn’t found. There will be blood, sweat and tears no matter what one way or another.
As long as you are talking about theoretical possibilities, you can compose any else clause imaginable.
What if Putin wants Europeans to ditch sandals and wear woolen underweat? None of your insinuations make any sense.
Putin’s discourse has only been about protecting Russia, Russians, and getting rid of nato/american threats on its doorsteps.
After the previous incursions by the west, especially the last, this is a sacred duty to Russians.
That is why Putin mentioned June 22 in his speech to the Russian people when Nato’s Ukraine vassal was ramping up their numbers and artillery bombardments of Donetsk.
On September 1, 1939, Germany invaded Poland. To justify the action, Nazi propagandists accused Poland of persecuting ethnic Germans living in Poland. They also falsely claimed that Poland was planning, with its allies Great Britain and France, to encircle and dismember Germany.
I found the most comprehensive predictions about the effect of sanctions on the war in Ukraine to be from Perun, in his video that came out on YouTube 5 days ago, titled “6 Months of War in Ukraine – Economics, Endurance, and the Energy War”
From where? Neptune? LOL
Russia was rotten already before this latest escapade.
The Situation
1. Putin did not cause this
recession but he aggravated it. In order, central bank policies,
government policies, and responses to Putin caused or aggravated the
recession.
2. Agreed
3. Agreed
4. No, It’s a terrible idea.
5.
Hell yes. Stop the stupid sanctions, everyone of which has backfired,
as predicted in advance. Start negotiations with Russia.
6. We are here because the political desire to do something, anything, even the wrong thing is overpowering.
To
add one more important idea, the US will not avoid a recession.
However, the EU will have a much worse one, especially for following the
US lead on backfiring sanctions.
Italy’s Salvini Says West Should Rethink Sanctions for Russia
Like him or not, good ideas are good ideas.
Here’s a good one: Italy’s Salvini Says West Should Rethink Sanctions for Russia
Macron Defends Russia Dialogue to Prepare ‘Negotiated Peace’
After calling for more sanctions and watching them backfire, French president Emanuel Macron switched positions.
Please note, Macron Defends Russia Dialogue to Prepare ‘Negotiated Peace’
Was anything signed? No. Learn diplomatic language.
Only if it is signed does yes mean anything.
Another one of his quotes applies today.
OK, we will add this one to the list too. {{{YAWN}}} Happy now?! LOL
You mean the phony hack of the Vermont grid that was invented by your “progressives?”
Anyone want to bet that you are a typical “progressive” who won’t ever consider that anyone might not want to be lectured to and ordered around by you and your kind?
Ending Russia’s invasion of Ukraine helping the world economies heal is simple. All Putin has to
do is admit his paper tiger army bit off more than it could chew,
withdraws all forces to pre-2014 borders, commits to paying for all
damages it caused and necessary rebuilding in Ukraine and begs for
forgiveness from the West, promising to never invade another free and
independent country again in return for the sanctions being lifted.
Easy, no?
Behold the 12 horses of the rainbow/Moon is in the 7th house/Jupiter aligned with Mars …
“And if we were going to push for an election, then we should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win.” – HR Clinton.
None of your insinuations make any sense.