Real Income Was Negative in 2022 Q4, Big Negative Revisions to GDP

Real Gross Domestic Product (GDP) and Real Gross Domestic Income (GDI) 2022 Q4

Please consider the Gross Domestic Product (Third Estimate) for 2022 Q4.

  • Real gross domestic product (GDP) increased at an annual rate of 2.6 percent in the fourth quarter of 2022.
  • In the third quarter, real GDP increased 3.2 percent. 
  • In the second estimate, the increase in real GDP was 2.7 percent. 
  • The revision primarily reflected downward revisions to exports and consumer spending. Imports, which are a subtraction in the calculation of GDP, were revised down. 

Real GDP, Real Final Sales, Real GDI 

Real GDP, Real Final Sales, Real GDI 2022 Q4

Real GDP, Real Final Sales 

Chart Notes

  • Real final sales are the true bottom line estimate of GDP. The rest is inventory adjustment that nets to zero over time.
  • Real Final Private Domestic ignores government spending and exports. 

Real Final Private Domestic Sales was a big zero.

Significant Negative GDP Revisions Are Consistent With Recession

On January 26, I commented 4th Quarter 2022 GDP Is Much Weaker Than Headline Numbers

On February 24, 2023, I commented Significant Negative GDP Revisions for 2022 Q4 Are Consistent With Recession

Well, guess what. The BEA revised GDP lower again.

As I have commented many times, heading into recessions the revisions will tend to be heavily negative. Coming out of recessions, revisions tend to be positive.

Real GDI is Negative 1.1 Percent

Real GDP and real GDI are two measures of the same thing. 

The discrepancy is massive. Expect the discrepancy to resolve in the future towards lower GDP. 

Money Supply Is Headed for 6th Month of Contraction

In case you missed it, Money Supply Is Headed for 6th Month of Contraction

Money supply is shrinking at the fastest pace since the Great Depression. 

Well, that’s OK. President Biden and all the economic cheerleaders say the economy is strong. 

MishTalk Video, What’s the Real Risk Now, Is it Inflation or Deflation?

Given the obvious inflationary forces, that may seem like a silly question, but please consider this video discussion: What’s the Real Risk Now, Is it Inflation or Deflation?

The short answer is Credit Freezes Are Highly Deflationary. See the above link for details and discussion.

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Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
1 year ago
See the FED’s reversal of QT:
It’s no happenstance that stocks have moved higher.
Karlmarx
Karlmarx
1 year ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
I reported on that this month to my clients – honestly could not believe this one. I knew JP was going to blink but thought he would at least give the rebublicans a chance to roll over on the debt ceiling first
xbizo
xbizo
1 year ago
I think folks are seeing the end of their surplus Lockdown cash coming up. I saw a projection of this fall for that. Any update on when we hit the wall?
Karlmarx
Karlmarx
1 year ago
I would still argue that the economy has been in a recession throughout 2022. There is no discernable difference between +0.1, 0.0 and -0.1. Also, if you consider that the bulk of consumer spending is being driven by increasing federal debt through all of the basic income programs the Administration has implemented, any growth is debt driven at best.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and floats like a duck – its a freaking duck.
Christoball
Christoball
1 year ago
Reply to  Karlmarx
I agree. Revisions will show an earlier recession. As was stated by someone here…..for appearance and political reasons official recession calls are made when they are half way over or almost done.
Fish1
Fish1
1 year ago
What about Roubini’s proclamation that hundreds of banks are insolvent now? Lots of moving parts right now but we seem to be headed deeper into a banking crisis, for one thing.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  Fish1
his article is dead on. the recent 400 billion conjured up on the FED b/s to take in junk paper at par is a bandaid. within a few years, we will look at panic of 2008 as the little speed bump to where we are going. you cannot conjure up trillions for the bankers in NYC and war effort and free money drop in everyone’s account and not get explosive inflation and then a bust. r/e commercial is gonna croak.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Fish1
Roubini doesn’t propose a solution. Just says everyone is screwed because of the past. It’s his version of Original Sin. We ate the no-interest rate apple and now we are going to pay by the sweat of our brows.
MBP
MBP
1 year ago
Distillate demand (last chart) link to eia.gov
Annual GDP growth link to tradingeconomics.com
Somehow US GDP grew (versus same Q the previous year) 2% in Q2 ’22, 2% in Q3 and 1% in Q4, whilst using about 10% less distillates! Is this possible?
Fish1
Fish1
1 year ago
Reply to  MBP
Well, there has been about 4 million e-cars sold. $5.00 gas is going to destroy demand at some point.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
GDI higher lows higher highs, losing thrust. If 2020 is a backbone the GDI, after stalling, might breach Q2 2020 low, testing the Q2 2007 high. BB #1 might lead to BB #2 and the money supply might get more pulses, smaller ones. creating money supply bubble, to keep us running.
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
I am moving my site off the Maven. Work is in progress. Target Mid-May.
The URLs will not change. I believe I can bring over comments and subscribe list.
The garbage ads at the bottom of every page will go. In general I expect better and will try for fewer ads.
I will have more control over comments.
Hooray!
atryingshepherd
atryingshepherd
1 year ago
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Thanks for all that you put into this!
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
A while back I tried to find an old posting. No luck. The current site seems to not provide ways to find old postings. It would be nice to have URLs that lead to simple pages with the posts and all comments.
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
I believe I will have a search mechanism that actually works. Not sure about comments though
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
Appreciate the effort, and looking forward to the switch.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
In inflationary periods, real GDP will be lower than nominal GDP. In deflationary times, real GDP will be higher. Take, for example, a hypothetical country that had a nominal GDP of $100 Billion in 2000, which grew by 50% to $150 billion by 2020. Over the same period of time, inflation reduced the relative purchasing power of the dollar by 50%. in other words real gdp for 2022 is pure rubbish. malarkey. not worth wasting one’s brain cells on it.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
1 year ago
This may look like an ineffectual system, as the revisions always give detractors reasons to say “I told you so!”, but that’s its genius. The people have already been through this period, and so it means nothing to them. It successfully stalls the public perception of hard times, while pumping hopium early for the good. This system can completely fool the public to the extent they never even know we’ve been in a recession, depending upon the length of the cycle, of course. This can make the difference between life and death in politics.

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